So a person tried to assassinate Trump

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5 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Morning Joe led with the failures of the secret service during the rally, both prior to the shooting and after the shooting allowing him to stand up, fist pump and walk out.

Fox News was focused on Biden talking about a bullseye on Trump and how the rhetoric has to stop.

Yup, switched back to Fox News.  They just interviewed someone who must follow Libs of Tik Tok, talking about randos on x that were upset the shooter missed.  

[listen2me 23 1,825]

Another all dayer in loserville here.  Its hard to even point out what you people are arguing about at this point.  

[shadrap 220]

12 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Another all dayer in loserville here.  Its hard to even point out what you people are arguing about at this point.  

something about how rhetoric can be dangerous.  both sides have reined it in a little, but in 10 days it will once again be full steam ahead.

cheers.

[Reality 3,096]

19 minutes ago, shadrap said:

something about how rhetoric can be dangerous.  both sides have reined it in a little, but in 10 days it will once again be full steam ahead.

cheers.

Biden couldn't wait a full day. 

[DonS 3,292]

1 hour ago, edjr said:

I could go for a nice caramel waffle 

How about a blue one?

[Tree of Knowledge 1,701]

2 minutes ago, Reality said:

Biden couldn't wait a full day. 

I saw that Holt interview. What a base coward.  

[nobody 2,564]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

I don't, but then again I don't frequent twitter.  In what little of have seen of the platform is roughly the lunch table full of mean girls in middle school.....I did not derive any value from it, so I don't participate. 

If it is your intention to suggest that mean tweets are something we need to end, well, that would seem to be the end of the platform.

Or....are you suggesting that all violence comes from twitter? 

What they don't get is mean tweets from Trump end there. There is no media echoing it over and over and over.  Biden says trump is a dictator and he's going to lock up gays and is a threat to democracy, and the dem media arm dutifully redistributes that message 24/7.

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1 minute ago, nobody said:

What they don't get is mean tweets from Trump end their.  There is no media echoing it over and over and over.  Biden says trump is a dictator and he's going to lock up gays and is a threat to democracy, and the dem media arm dutifully redistributes that message 24/7.

Mr. Rachael Maddow claims Trump will send her to a camp if elected.

[nobody 2,564]

51 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Another all dayer in loserville here.  Its hard to even point out what you people are arguing about at this point.  

The righties: the left's rhetoric is causing people to want to murder trump.

The lefties: the guy was a republican, therefore it is not rhetoric that caused him to want to murder trump.  And the right uses rhetoric too.

[RLLD 4,143]

2 minutes ago, nobody said:

What they don't get is mean tweets from Trump end their.  There is no media echoing it over and over and over.  Biden says trump is a dictator and he's going to lock up gays and is a threat to democracy, and the dem media arm dutifully redistributes that message 24/7.

I get that, it is difficult to attack his policies and outcomes, so they attack him personally;  he is not exactly likable, so in part I concede its perhaps a reasonable tactic.

The problem for liberals is outcomes. Their policies are predicated on fantasy, and as a result deliver less than preferred outcomes.  This removes their ability to trot out the results.

So they engage in rhetoric to portray Trump as "bad".  It didn't work. So they ramp it up, still didn't work.  They were always bound to bring their rhetoric to this farcical and radical level, it was their only real tactic, and they just kept making ever more ridiculous claims....   they became that which they professed to oppose. 

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2 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Real centrist thoughts here

Derp derp derp INsuRECTioonnnn!

spare me if I just use legal terms as fitted. That’s very right wing of me 

[The Real timschochet 6,416]

40 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I get that, it is difficult to attack his policies and outcomes, so they attack him personally;  he is not exactly likable, so in part I concede its perhaps a reasonable tactic.

The problem for liberals is outcomes. Their policies are predicated on fantasy, and as a result deliver less than preferred outcomes.  This removes their ability to trot out the results.

So they engage in rhetoric to portray Trump as "bad".  It didn't work. So they ramp it up, still didn't work.  They were always bound to bring their rhetoric to this farcical and radical level, it was their only real tactic, and they just kept making ever more ridiculous claims....   they became that which they professed to oppose. 

Just about everything you wrote here is that exact opposite of the truth: 

1. It is extremely easy to attack Trump’s policies and outcomes; they are dreadful and we do it all the time. 

2. While a few liberal types have used unfortunate rhetoric that promotes violence, they are overwhelmed by the amount of conservatives who do so, particularly Donald Trump. 
 

3. We can get into a more detailed discussion of the effectiveness of liberal policies vs conservative policies later. You will lose that argument as your position is extremely wrong. 

[RLLD 4,143]

9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Just about everything you wrote here is that exact opposite of the truth: 

1. It is extremely easy to attack Trump’s policies and outcomes; they are dreadful and we do it all the time. 

2. While a few liberal types have used unfortunate rhetoric that promotes violence, they are overwhelmed by the amount of conservatives who do so, particularly Donald Trump. 
 

3. We can get into a more detailed discussion of the effectiveness of liberal policies vs conservative policies later. You will lose that argument as your position is extremely wrong. 

1. It is extremely easy to attack Trump’s policies and outcomes; they are dreadful and we do it all the time. 
    - I am not familiar with attacking his policies, have not noticed that from MSM
    - His policies were not perfect, no policy will be, but they served the American people better than anything the Democrats have done

2. While a few liberal types have used unfortunate rhetoric that promotes violence, they are overwhelmed by the amount of conservatives who do so, particularly Donald Trump.
     - The rhetoric began with Trump, well it began with his emergence to a legitimate candidate, and the Democrat/Media leaping into action to disparage him
     - Later when he replied in kind came the inevitable recoiling and astonishment that he would dare do it back  
     - And then the Democrats/Media became the guardians of rhetoric, at how horrible Trump behaved....while they continued to do it themselves

3. We can get into a more detailed discussion of the effectiveness of liberal policies vs conservative policies later. You will lose that argument as your position is extremely wrong. 
     - No policy is perfect, but Democrat policies are just horrible......destructive and unkind

    

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

What style of earring did Trump decide to go with after getting it pierced? 

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11 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

What style of earring did Trump decide to go with after getting it pierced? 

A big Mr. T style Cross.   It stands for Trump, not Jesus.

[RLLD 4,143]

All of you.....are missing a really good opportunity here to use Start Wars to make light of this situation, and it shows our decline as a forearm

[Herbivore 1,115]

8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

2. While a few liberal types have used unfortunate rhetoric that promotes violence, they are overwhelmed by the amount of conservatives who do so, particularly Donald Trump.
     - The rhetoric began with Trump, well it began with his emergence to a legitimate candidate, and the Democrat/Media leaping into action to disparage him
     - Later when he replied in kind came the inevitable recoiling and astonishment that he would dare do it back  
     - And then the Democrats/Media became the guardians of rhetoric, at how horrible Trump behaved....while they continued to do it themselves

    

The rhetoric did not begin with Trump. Palin put districts in crosshairs, and Giffords got shot in the face. The idea that the media went after Trump, and he responded in kind is laughable. 

[RLLD 4,143]

6 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

The rhetoric did not begin with Trump. Palin put districts in crosshairs, and Giffords got shot in the face. The idea that the media went after Trump, and he responded in kind is laughable. 

It did in fact start with Trump.

Back then they thought they could manipulate viewers with negativity as they had always done toward Republican candidates, but only wound up helping him

Trump’s coverage during the general election was more negative than Clinton’s in 2016, running 77 percent negative to 23 percent positive.

They thought they could help Clinton, but all they did was give the Donald free exposure to a big audience.   And they admitted as much after

Then they decided to take it to 11, because no politician should ever be able to defend themselves against the media, in their opinion....

[Herbivore 1,115]

7 minutes ago, RLLD said:

It did in fact start with Trump.

Back then they thought they could manipulate viewers with negativity as they had always done toward Republican candidates, but only wound up helping him

Trump’s coverage during the general election was more negative than Clinton’s in 2016, running 77 percent negative to 23 percent positive.

They thought they could help Clinton, but all they did was give the Donald free exposure to a big audience.   And they admitted as much after

Then they decided to take it to 11, because no politician should ever be able to defend themselves against the media, in their opinion....

I know you will bury your head when it comes to anything that pushes against your narrative, but facts is facts, violent rhetoric did not start with Trump. 

[RLLD 4,143]

2 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

I know you will bury your head when it comes to anything that pushes against your narrative, but facts is facts, violent rhetoric did not start with Trump. 

It did in fact start with Trump, my words are perhaps less valid to you than those of the media.....hence my usage of links substantiated my position. 

You need not challenge me, I am reiterating that which has already been established, but others.... as indicated....through sources....above.

[The Real timschochet 6,416]

7 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

I know you will bury your head when it comes to anything that pushes against your narrative, but facts is facts, violent rhetoric did not start with Trump. 

It didn’t start with Trump but he has been the worst proponent of it in American history. The fact that @RLLD ignores this destroys his entire argument. The small amount of violent rhetoric used with Trump as target cannot compare to the amount that Trump has used, nearly on a daily basis since 2015, against his opponents. 

[Herbivore 1,115]

8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

It did in fact start with Trump, my words are perhaps less valid to you than those of the media.....hence my usage of links substantiated my position. 

You need not challenge me, I am reiterating that which has already been established, but others.... as indicated....through sources....above.

so you are following media? Take that out for a second. Did Sarah Palin use violent rhetoric with the crosshairs ads in 2011? Did days later Gabby Giffords get shot in the face? 

[RLLD 4,143]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

It didn’t start with Trump but he has been the worst proponent of it in American history. The fact that @RLLD ignores this destroys his entire argument. The small amount of violent rhetoric used with Trump as target cannot compare to the amount that Trump has used, nearly on a daily basis since 2015, against his opponents. 

I surmise that you all did not understand my statement.

I would prefer to nip the misrepresentation of my position early here, I am not suggesting that all political rhetoric began with Trump, so lets not pretend that is the case.

I remain.....in my position that the recent escalation of it, started with the media trying to take down Trump in 2016.  SO.... as it pertains to the actual thing we are talking about, that being Trump, the current situation started with the media behaviors in 2016.

I am going to now sit back, and wait to see what you now apply to me in terms of intent on this, where you attempt to take it, with some genuine vorfreude......

[RLLD 4,143]

Just now, Herbivore said:

so you are following media? Take that out for a second. Did Sarah Palin use violent rhetoric with the crosshairs ads in 2011? Did days later Gabby Giffords get shot in the face? 

Given that those circumstances are mutually exclusive to what I am asserting, I am disinclined to chase the red herring.  Perhaps you have some gem to show us about the Lincoln assignation too?

[Herbivore 1,115]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Given that those circumstances are mutually exclusive to what I am asserting, I am disinclined to chase the red herring.  Perhaps you have some gem to show us about the Lincoln assignation too?

your whole schtick is a red herring

 

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I remain.....in my position that the recent escalation of it, started with the media trying to take down Trump in 2016.  SO.... as it pertains to the actual thing we are talking about, that being Trump, the current situation started with the media behaviors in 2016.

so when Trump got into the political arena, media began talking about him in a political spectrum...wow, very inciteful. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

5 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

I generally don't believe conspiracy theories, but this keeps getting more and more interesting.  Dude was on the roof for 20 minutes?  SS was told he was there?  SS was inside the building he was sitting on?

Not sure how much of this is true.

Truth is usually stranger than fiction.

People are putting all kinds of garbage out there. Much of it is probably simply false and a lot of the rest likely has a pretty benign explanation. Or maybe somebody did fock up but it’s not some high level conspiracy to murder the other candidate. Anyway there’ll be an investigation (probably many) and it’ll come out that way. Republicans will certainly be motivated to get to the bottom of it and everybody should be 

[MDC 7,127]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I surmise that you all did not understand my statement.

I would prefer to nip the misrepresentation of my position early here, I am not suggesting that all political rhetoric began with Trump, so lets not pretend that is the case.

I remain.....in my position that the recent escalation of it, started with the media trying to take down Trump in 2016.  SO.... as it pertains to the actual thing we are talking about, that being Trump, the current situation started with the media behaviors in 2016.

I am going to now sit back, and wait to see what you now apply to me in terms of intent on this, where you attempt to take it, with some genuine vorfreude......

Did it start when Trump implied that Ted Cruz’s dad was involved in the JFK assassination and his wife is ugly? Or when he said the Trump U. judge couldn’t be impartial because he was a Mexican?

Just trying to pinpoint the time when everyone started picking on poor sweet Donald.  

[RLLD 4,143]

3 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

your whole schtick is a red herring

 

so when Trump got into the political arena, media began talking about him in a political spectrum...wow, very inciteful. 

Incorrect.  Trump entered the arena, the media descended on him, he replied in kind (to their horror) and when it became true that their attempted take-down of him as a candidate did not work, they really ramped up their efforts after, and of course he responded in kind.

You can pretend it did not happen, but the media essentially admitted it

[RLLD 4,143]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

Did it start when Trump implied that Ted Cruz’s dad was involved in the JFK assassination and his wife is ugly? Or when he said the Trump U. judge couldn’t be impartial because he was a Mexican?

Just trying to pinpoint the time when everyone started picking on poor sweet Donald.  

I don't know about Ted Cruz's dad, did someone die from that? I hope not. Did his ugly wife cause a shooting? I guess that Mexican judge should not have been accused, Trump should have just sought to have him impeached if he did not like his ruling, right?

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Just about everything you wrote here is that exact opposite of the truth: 

1. It is extremely easy to attack Trump’s policies and outcomes; they are dreadful and we do it all the time. 

2. While a few liberal types have used unfortunate rhetoric that promotes violence, they are overwhelmed by the amount of conservatives who do so, particularly Donald Trump. 
 

3. We can get into a more detailed discussion of the effectiveness of liberal policies vs conservative policies later. You will lose that argument as your position is extremely wrong. 

Youre literally wrong about everything and have been for two decades. 
 

 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

3 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Another all dayer in loserville here.  Its hard to even point out what you people are arguing about at this point.  

It’s the blame game and pretty dumb imo. All kinds of blame to go around and anyone who actually gives a sh1t has to accept responsibility for their part and devote themselves to change. Unfortunately I don’t see that happening at all 

[Herbivore 1,115]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Incorrect.  Trump entered the arena, the media descended on him, he replied in kind (to their horror) and when it became true that their attempted take-down of him as a candidate did not work, they really ramped up their efforts after, and of course he responded in kind.

You can pretend it did not happen, but the media essentially admitted it

descended upon him...

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

Can anyone make sense of this?

 

[MDC 7,127]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Incorrect.  Trump entered the arena, the media descended on him, he replied in kind (to their horror) and when it became true that their attempted take-down of him as a candidate did not work, they really ramped up their efforts after, and of course he responded in kind.

You can pretend it did not happen, but the media essentially admitted it

The media are probably responsible for Donald’s 40-year history of business fraud, infidelity and serial rape too. They knew he’d one day turn into a Republican candidate for POTUS.

 

[RLLD 4,143]

Just now, MDC said:

The media are probably responsible for Donald’s 40-year history of business fraud, infidelity and serial rape too. They knew he’d one day turn into a Republican candidate for POTUS.

 

That seems like a stretch, do you actually believe that?

[RLLD 4,143]

1 minute ago, Herbivore said:

descended upon him...

I would have used pounce, but Democrats already have that one for Republicans, so I decided to use something else. 

[The Real timschochet 6,416]

12 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I surmise that you all did not understand my statement.

I would prefer to nip the misrepresentation of my position early here, I am not suggesting that all political rhetoric began with Trump, so lets not pretend that is the case.

I remain.....in my position that the recent escalation of it, started with the media trying to take down Trump in 2016.  SO.... as it pertains to the actual thing we are talking about, that being Trump, the current situation started with the media behaviors in 2016.

I am going to now sit back, and wait to see what you now apply to me in terms of intent on this, where you attempt to take it, with some genuine vorfreude......

No, this is completely wrong. The mainstream media in general  has never used violent rhetoric against Trump. A few stray commentators have, and usually have gotten themselves in trouble for it. But when you try to pin it on the entire media that’s just false. 
 

And you continue to ignore the main point that Trump is the worst proponent of political violence of all. And that his statements are not a reaction to the media, or anyone else doing it first; he has been the instigator. 

[The Real timschochet 6,416]

4 minutes ago, Steadymobbin 22 said:

Youre literally wrong about everything and have been for two decades. 
 

 

Quite the opposite but thanks for playing. 

[MDC 7,127]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

That seems like a stretch, do you actually believe that?

No. I believe Donald’s lifelong reputation as a vile POS is well earned. You believe he’s a sweet boy who’s been unfairly picked on.  

[Nomad99 699]

10 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

People are putting all kinds of garbage out there. Much of it is probably simply false and a lot of the rest likely has a pretty benign explanation. Or maybe somebody did fock up but it’s not some high level conspiracy to murder the other candidate. Anyway there’ll be an investigation (probably many) and it’ll come out that way. Republicans will certainly be motivated to get to the bottom of it and everybody should be 

The one thing that nobody is getting wrong is that multiple, highly trained spotter teams failed in either detecting him or marking him as a potential threat. This wasn't a Jason Bourne 1000yd threat. He was observable, from elevation, from multiple locations at about 450 feet. That is as unacceptable as it gets & has opened the door to many questions.