Massive prisoner swap with Russia achieved; our people come home; Trump is upset.

[The Real timschochet 6,482]

Donald Trump seems very upset that Biden got this done: 

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/trump-lashes-biden-historic-prisoner-exchange-russia-freed/story?id=112477541

[IndyColtsFan 325]

30 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Oh boy. Let's trade criminals. How fun....

List of crooks Clownzo pardoned:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_granted_executive_clemency_by_Donald_Trump

Clownzo's record of prisoner exchanges:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/01/politics/fact-check-trump-falsely-claims-he-gave-up-nothing-american-prisoner-exchanges/index.html

Meanwhile, 34 felony convictions!

Burd he curda gotternered a burder dearl!

Crook gonna crook!

[seafoam1 2,816]

16 minutes ago, IndyColtsFan said:

List of crooks Clownzo pardoned:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_granted_executive_clemency_by_Donald_Trump

Clownzo's record of prisoner exchanges:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/01/politics/fact-check-trump-falsely-claims-he-gave-up-nothing-american-prisoner-exchanges/index.html

Meanwhile, 34 felony convictions!

Burd he curda gotternered a burder dearl!

Crook gonna crook!

Oh boy....TDS galore....rah rah 

[The Real timschochet 6,482]

What happened to Biden being MIA? If he’s truly mentally incapacitated, how did he accomplish this? 

This deal, along with getting our people free, makes everything conservatives have been writing about Biden for months look really stupid. He’s old and tired but he hasn’t lost it. And Trump looks like a total idiot. 

[thegeneral 2,970]

2 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

Oh boy....TDS galore....rah rah 

Trump traded 5000 Taliban in one of his deals. 

[seafoam1 2,816]

2 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Trump traded 5000 Taliban in one of his deals. 

You know absolutely nothing of what all that was part of that. Liberals are so stupid.  

[seafoam1 2,816]

16 hours ago, Nomad99 said:

Like when the swapped the merchant of death for a USA hating basketball player?

It's surreal what they claim as "victories". 

[steeler6 16]

4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

What happened to Biden being MIA? If he’s truly mentally incapacitated, how did he accomplish this? 

This deal, along with getting our people free, makes everything conservatives have been writing about Biden for months look really stupid. He’s old and tired but he hasn’t lost it. And Trump looks like a total idiot. 

He had nothing to do with this. This was done to give Kamala a photo op and material for a political ad. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,720]

14 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

German Chancellor Shultz: “I will do this for you, Joe Biden.” The implication being that he would not have done it for Trump. Trump has gone out of his way to alienate Germany and the rest of our NATO allies. 

We’ll see how comments like this from Schultz play out in 2 years when the Gulf Stream collapses and Germany is thrown into the Ice Age.  Maybe the Benevolent Father Trump can send Schultz some electric blankets and long Johns. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,720]

5 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Trump traded 5000 Taliban in one of his deals. 

Biden traded (err gave away) over $7 billion in military equipment to the Taliban.  Who coincidentally have become the #1 arms traders to terrorists.  
 

[League Champion 1,896]

Any more Tranny Basketball Players that we can get back? That's important to. 

[The Real timschochet 6,482]

The inability of most people here to give Biden credit for this is really telling. It’s a remarkable diplomatic achievement, and it completely repudiates much of the false presentation of Biden as incapacitated. 

It’s also a fine rebuttal of the Trump isolationist idea that we don’t need alliances. 

[The Real timschochet 6,482]

3 hours ago, steeler6 said:

He had nothing to do with this. This was done to give Kamala a photo op and material for a political ad. 

Really? They’ve been planning this for 2 years? And Putin was involved? The Deep State is even better than I thought. 

[thegeneral 2,970]

5 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

You know absolutely nothing of what all that was part of that. Liberals are so stupid.  

I know you enjoy being lied to by Trump.

[thegeneral 2,970]

1 hour ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Biden traded (err gave away) over $7 billion in military equipment to the Taliban.  Who coincidentally have become the #1 arms traders to terrorists.  
 

Those 5000 Taliban now have weapons! 

[purdygood 335]

I dont know much about this.  But im assuming we are sending a bunch of russian criminals back to the crap hole country they came from. In exchange for Americans wrongly accused.  How is this not a good thing?

[Herbivore 1,117]

21 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

It really is interesting how people blindly believe our people are innocent and that other people are bad. I don't know enough either way. None of us do. I just find it interesting it's always our people are good people and the others are merchants of deaths.

I agree here. On Fox and CNN yesterday, they kept saying Whelan and Evan were innocent, just doing there jobs. like there is no chance they are cia or whatever.

[Tree of Knowledge 1,720]

1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

Those 5000 Taliban now have weapons! 

Thanks Joe!!!!

[Tree of Knowledge 1,720]

19 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

I agree here. On Fox and CNN yesterday, they kept saying Whelan and Evan were innocent, just doing there jobs. like there is no chance they are cia or whatever.

Many people are starting to wonder if we are still the Good Guys.  

[RLLD 4,145]

Really glad our people are coming home.  I hope we did not give up too much for this.   I applaud the Biden admin for finding a way. 

[Herbivore 1,117]

1 hour ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Many people are starting to wonder if we are still the Good Guys.  

I still think we are the good guys. But we do spy right? Happy like all that they are back. 

[cyclone24 1,912]

10 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

What happened to Biden being MIA? If he’s truly mentally incapacitated, how did he accomplish this? 

This deal, along with getting our people free, makes everything conservatives have been writing about Biden for months look really stupid. He’s old and tired but he hasn’t lost it. And Trump looks like a total idiot. 

Couldn’t I make the same counter argument? You ousted a sitting president against the will of the voter and placed someone you wanted in once again against the will of the voter because you thought he was losing…errr..i mean incapacitated but now you also want to give him full credit for freeing these prisoners.

So pick one. He either has his faculties and this is a legitimate coup or he had very little to do with it and was mostly Turkish officials.

[The Real timschochet 6,482]

1 minute ago, cyclone24 said:

Couldn’t I make the same counter argument? You ousted a sitting president against the will of the voter and placed someone you wanted in once again against the will of the voter because you thought he was losing…errr..i mean incapacitated but now you also want to give him full credit for freeing these prisoners.

So pick one. He either has his faculties and this is a legitimate coup or he had very little to do with it and was mostly Turkish officials.

Neither. What was reported was the truth: he decided to quit of his own accord because he was convinced that he couldn’t win. Not because he was mentally incapacitated but because the disastrous debate made him look old and tired and the polling reflected that. He didn’t want to quit (no one ever does) but he cares too much about this country to risk losing to Trump, it was a patriotic, selfless act. There was no coup. And Biden, more than anyone else, engineered this release. 
 

There is nothing mentally wrong with Joe Biden. He wasn’t forced out. You can mock this (I get that people will) but I truly believe this to be true. It’s not spin. 

[cyclone24 1,912]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Neither. What was reported was the truth: he decided to quit of his own accord because he was convinced that he couldn’t win. Not because he was mentally incapacitated but because the disastrous debate made him look old and tired and the polling reflected that. He didn’t want to quit (no one ever does) but he cares too much about this country to risk losing to Trump, it was a patriotic, selfless act. There was no coup. And Biden, more than anyone else, engineered this release. 
 

There is nothing mentally wrong with Joe Biden. He wasn’t forced out. You can mock this (I get that people will) but I truly believe this to be true. It’s not spin. 

If you don’t think he’s losing his faculties at this point at his age, I’m not sure what to tell you. That’s not a Republican thing or a Democrat thing. It’s just age. It happens to all of us, but to act like it’s not happening is disingenuous and I think you know that.
 

And come on. He was getting pressure from all over the place from the top people to get out. Heck they even said when he was going to do it and it’s exactly when he did.  They got the money to dry up to him, they had lots of senators come out and drop their support. To act like this was everything is great and I see the polls and it’s not going well so I’m gonna do the right thing here? Give me a freaking break.

[squistion 1,969]

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1819421804496408799 (video clip at link)

Reporter: The Pennsylvania teacher is still sitting in a Russian prison...

Biden: We’re not giving up on that

Reporter: What more can you do?

Biden: You want me to tell you ahead of time so he doesn’t get out?

[seafoam1 2,816]

7 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Neither. What was reported was the truth: he decided to quit of his own accord because he was convinced that he couldn’t win. Not because he was mentally incapacitated but because the disastrous debate made him look old and tired and the polling reflected that. He didn’t want to quit (no one ever does) but he cares too much about this country to risk losing to Trump, it was a patriotic, selfless act. There was no coup. And Biden, more than anyone else, engineered this release. 
 

There is nothing mentally wrong with Joe Biden. He wasn’t forced out. You can mock this (I get that people will) but I truly believe this to be true. It’s not spin. 

Initially, it seemed hard to determine who the biggest brain dead zombie liberal is on this site. Should have known since the beginning though, all liberals are just really equally stupid and in service of their collective liberal masters. 

TDS does not discriminate when it comes to the liberals in this country. They are all afflicted to the maximum level of being affected. 

It's hard to read what these focking idiots post day in and day out. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,970]

This is a good thing. Glad these people are home. Another indictatuon that Putin wants the Democrat to win no matter who it is. More to come. 

[Flipper 60]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Another indictatuon that Putin wants the Democrat to win no matter who it is. More to come. 

How do you figure that?  I hope he is conservative but am worried he has been captured by the 'left' ...

[The Real timschochet 6,482]

Trump again fumed about this deal at his rally last night. He congratulated Putin on screwing over the USA, falsely claimed he never released anyone, and claimed he would have gotten the prisoners back without any concessions. 

He may be the only guy in America unhappy about this. 

[thegeneral 2,970]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Trump again fumed about this deal at his rally last night. He congratulated Putin on screwing over the USA, falsely claimed he never released anyone, and claimed he would have gotten the prisoners back without any concessions. 

He may be the only guy in America unhappy about this. 

He’s the only guy in America who believes he could have done this without concessions

[Fnord 2,062]

20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

He may be the only guy in America unhappy about this. 

Negative. You can see in the thread that the majority of the MAGA here don't seem to be happy for the released prisoners. Sad.

[Engorgeous George 2,162]

On 8/2/2024 at 6:19 AM, purdygood said:

I dont know much about this.  But im assuming we are sending a bunch of russian criminals back to the crap hole country they came from. In exchange for Americans wrongly accused.  How is this not a good thing?

Perhaps because it establishes the practice of wrongfully detaining our citizens to use them as chips in getting back spys, arms dealers, terrorists, and assassins.

[The Real timschochet 6,482]

7 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Perhaps because it establishes the practice of wrongfully detaining our citizens to use them as chips in getting back spys, arms dealers, terrorists, and assassins.

I would agree that if it established that practice it might be a bad thing. But be honest: that has been the practice for, like, forever. There has never been any other practice. Not in my lifetime anyhow. 

[Engorgeous George 2,162]

11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I would agree that if it established that practice it might be a bad thing. But be honest: that has been the practice for, like, forever. There has never been any other practice. Not in my lifetime anyhow. 

To one extent or another this has been true.  I should have said continues and reinforces rahter than establishes.  I chose my words poorly.  That said reinforcing and strengthening a bad precedent is a oproblem.  You could see thius in oth4er instances or examples sucvh as slavery or denying women the vote.  It applies here as well. endangering the world and u.S. citizens in particular, all of us, to get back a few folks who voluntarily entered a danger zone against, in many instances, State Department travel warnings is bad policy.  Presidents do this as the press and the families howl, but the citizenry as a whole is silent as the press wants their story, not our interest forwarded.  

 

You are right though, this has been going on forever.  The first one in my memory, specificaly, involved the U.S.S. Pueblo's men (the ship itself still sits in North Korea. i was somewhat aware of Gary Powers and of course all the POWs from the Viet Nam police action.  I was aware of several instances, the amalgam of which  made for the Movie Midnight Express. When I was still fairly young and forced to go to church our church tried to create a furor iover the holding of an american teenager, a woman, in turkey for a few grams of hash she was smuggling home for personal use.  The matter was relevant to that church in that her family attended.  Her sister was my classmate.  (Jenny developed early and was quite compelling.  We played slap and tickle in the woods behind her house when we were in 5th grade.)

 

We need to get it through Americans heads that if they travel for any reasons to countries on the State Department's advisory oist that we will not engage in efforts to repatriate them if they are detained.  An advisory to this effect this should be the last thing they read and sign before boarding international flights and should be the last thing they sign before obtaining their passports.

[The Real timschochet 6,482]

9 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

To one extent or another this has been true.  I should have said continues and reinforces rahter than establishes.  I chose my words poorly.  That said reinforcing and strengthening a bad precedent is a oproblem.  You could see thius in oth4er instances or examples sucvh as slavery or denying women the vote.  It applies here as well. endangering the world and u.S. citizens in particular, all of us, to get back a few folks who voluntarily entered a danger zone against, in many instances, State Department travel warnings is bad policy.  Presidents do this as the press and the families howl, but the citizenry as a whole is silent as the press wants their story, not our interest forwarded.  

 

You are right though, this has been going on forever.  The first one in my memory, specificaly, involved the U.S.S. Pueblo's men (the ship itself still sits in North Korea. i was somewhat aware of Gary Powers and of course all the POWs from the Viet Nam police action.  I was aware of several instances, the amalgam of which  made for the Movie Midnight Express. When I was still fairly young and forced to go to church our church tried to create a furor iover the holding of an american teenager, a woman, in turkey for a few grams of hash she was smuggling home for personal use.  The matter was relevant to that church in that her family attended.  Her sister was my classmate.  (Jenny developed early and was quite compelling.  We played slap and tickle in the woods behind her house when we were in 5th grade.)

 

We need to get it through Americans heads that if they travel for any reasons to countries on the State Department's advisory oist that we will not engage in efforts to repatriate them if they are detained.  An advisory to this effect this should be the last thing they read and sign before boarding international flights and should be the last thing they sign before obtaining their passports.

Yeah the Pueblo might be the worst example. 
 

And yes this reinforces the practice. But- and this is really the only question that matters- would that have kept you from making this trade? The answer for me is super easy- no. And it was not an easy trade to make, and shame on anyone not willing to credit or congratulate President Biden. 

[Engorgeous George 2,162]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yeah the Pueblo might be the worst example. 
 

And yes this reinforces the practice. But- and this is really the only question that matters- would that have kept you from making this trade? The answer for me is super easy- no. And it was not an easy trade to make, and shame on anyone not willing to credit or congratulate President Biden. 

It would have kept me from making the trade.  The captives and their families are pleased but your family and mine and everybody elses has been endangered.  I expect Presidents to make the hard decisions for the good of the country not the momentarily popular decision for the good of a very few and for the press it will garner.

 

There are other levers to use to obtain the release of wrongfully detained person other than the release, the swap, of dangerous international criminals for our citizens.  If the Brittany Griners of the world want to carry pot into Russia, if the Joshua Fattals, Sarah Shourds and Shane Bauers of the world want to adventure let them undertake it at their own risk

 

  I Have traveled to countries at war with their neighbor. I have traveled to regions controlled by narco-lords suspicios that all Americans are CIA. I knowingly assumed a risk.  I do not do such things with my family.  

[purdygood 335]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

Perhaps because it establishes the practice of wrongfully detaining our citizens to use them as chips in getting back spys, arms dealers, terrorists, and assassins.

Yes.  Good perspective.  But also then our citizens should be smarter and stop going to awful countries like Russia.  

[The Real timschochet 6,482]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

It would have kept me from making the trade.  The captives and their families are pleased but your family and mine and everybody elses has been endangered.  I expect Presidents to make the hard decisions for the good of the country not the momentarily popular decision for the good of a very few and for the press it will garner.

 

There are other levers to use to obtain the release of wrongfully detained person other than the release, the swap, of dangerous international criminals for our citizens.  If the Brittany Griners of the world want to carry pot into Russia, if the Joshua Fattals, Sarah Shourds and Shane Bauers of the world want to adventure let them undertake it at their own risk

 

  I Have traveled to countries at war with their neighbor. I have traveled to regions controlled by narco-lords suspicios that all Americans are CIA. I knowingly assumed a risk.  I do not do such things with my family.  

If you believe this fair enough. But I guarantee you this is not Trump’s position. Trump would have done this deal in a heartbeat. His anger is over the fact that the other guys did it. 

[League Champion 1,896]

On 8/1/2024 at 9:30 PM, IndyColtsFan said:

List of crooks Clownzo pardoned:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_granted_executive_clemency_by_Donald_Trump

Clownzo's record of prisoner exchanges:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/01/politics/fact-check-trump-falsely-claims-he-gave-up-nothing-american-prisoner-exchanges/index.html

Meanwhile, 34 felony convictions!

Burd he curda gotternered a burder dearl!

Crook gonna crook!

Our cities are burning.

 

[seafoam1 2,816]

Liberals are upset. The poor liberal pansies.