Shots fired near Trump as he leaves Florida club

[jerryskids 6,800]

11 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

@jerryskids, is this somehow not at bad as saying “they must be stopped”?

 

 

No it's not as bad for several reasons.  

One, it opens with a tacit call for a democratic solution (elect Trump).  You will probably nitpick that it doesn't technically do that, but you asked for differences, and that is a non-negligible one in the tone.

Two, and more importantly:  very few people think Harris the person is specifically a threat.  On the contrary, the Right views her as an empty vessel plugged in to carry out the progressive agenda.  If she were to disappear tomorrow, the Left would be "meh, whatever" and plug in Newsome or Whitmer or Jeffries to do the same exact thing as they are doing and have been doing.

Trump, on the other hand, is viewed by the Left as a singular personal threat.  They believe if they can remove him, the world is a significantly safer place.  This has been the nonstop rhetoric from the Left and the MSDNC for 10 years.

[TimHauck 2,878]

OK so “America will fall to tyranny” isn’t dangerous rhetoric, got it

[Gepetto 1,368]

40 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

OK so “America will fall to tyranny” isn’t dangerous rhetoric, got it

Democrats do it and stubbornly refuse to stop doing it, and Republicans do the same.

[jerryskids 6,800]

45 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

OK so “America will fall to tyranny” isn’t dangerous rhetoric, got it

You asked me a question, I gave you a well-thought-out response.  You could have saved me some time if you told me you would respond with this tripe.   

[thegeneral 3,214]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

No it's not as bad for several reasons.  

One, it opens with a tacit call for a democratic solution (elect Trump).  You will probably nitpick that it doesn't technically do that, but you asked for differences, and that is a non-negligible one in the tone.

Two, and more importantly:  very few people think Harris the person is specifically a threat.  On the contrary, the Right views her as an empty vessel plugged in to carry out the progressive agenda.  If she were to disappear tomorrow, the Left would be "meh, whatever" and plug in Newsome or Whitmer or Jeffries to do the same exact thing as they are doing and have been doing.

Trump, on the other hand, is viewed by the Left as a singular personal threat.  They believe if they can remove him, the world is a significantly safer place.  This has been the nonstop rhetoric from the Left and the MSDNC for 10 years.

This is how you get an army of neckbeards beating on cops because they think their election was stolen and the country is being taken from them.

[jerryskids 6,800]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

This is how you get an army of neckbeards beating on cops because they think their election was stolen and the country is being taken from them.

This has nothing to do with my post; otherwise good job, good effort.

If you would like me to dumb it down a little, let me know.

If instead you would like to tie your astute conclusion to what I said, please do so.   

[listen2me 23 1,873]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

OK so “America will fall to tyranny” isn’t dangerous rhetoric, got it

This is guy who voted Trump and will again.  

Lol.   

But he will argue anything semantically.   To the death. So maybe thats just the thing.  

[thegeneral 3,214]

37 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

This has nothing to do with my post; otherwise good job, good effort.

If you would like me to dumb it down a little, let me know.

If instead you would like to tie your astute conclusion to what I said, please do so.   

This is your typical response when you are full of shet. 

[jerryskids 6,800]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

This is your typical response when you are full of shet. 

Is it?  I typed a detailed post, you responded with some pablum about an army of neckbeards (I await @The Real timschochet to brow beat you about being bigoted against the folicly-challenged intersectional disenfranchised) which was a single line and in no way addressed my points.

I'd ask again for you to address my points, but it appears you've chosen to throw the gun, have a good night.   

[thegeneral 3,214]

7 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Is it?  I typed a detailed post, you responded with some pablum about an army of neckbeards (I await @The Real timschochet to brow beat you about being bigoted against the folicly-challenged intersectional disenfranchised) which was a single line and in no way addressed my points.

I'd ask again for you to address my points, but it appears you've chosen to throw the gun, have a good night.   

You use the line often from the previous post. It’s fine. 

In any case you are trying to diminish what Elon wrote or the dumb shet that Trump says on the daily or what JD says (is he supposed to fact check his own speeches take was great ). It’s absurd. Inflammatory rhetoric is just that. 

[jerryskids 6,800]

29 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

You use the line often from the previous post. It’s fine. 

In any case you are trying to diminish what Elon wrote or the dumb shet that Trump says on the daily or what JD says (is he supposed to fact check his own speeches take was great ). It’s absurd. Inflammatory rhetoric is just that. 

So, nothing on my actual post. Thanks for the pseud discussion, it was enlightening. Goodnight.

 

[Horseman 2,459]

LowIQgeneral is incapable of intelligent debate. He's a hack.

[TimHauck 2,878]

7 hours ago, Gepetto said:

Democrats do it and stubbornly refuse to stop doing it, and Republicans do the same.

Agree.

7 hours ago, jerryskids said:

You asked me a question, I gave you a well-thought-out response.  You could have saved me some time if you told me you would respond with this tripe.   

I disagree that it’s not as bad because you think the left’s rhetoric specifically targets Trump.   For one, the “they must be stopped” post didn’t even mention Trump and was addressing “MAGA Republicans” in the plural form.   Regardless, if we’re condemning “dangerous rhetoric” (which I am fine with condemning I just wouldn’t really blame the assassination attempts on, particularly based on what we know about the would-be assassins), I disagree that saying Trump is being targeted somehow makes it not as bad.  Saying “America will fall to tyranny” could encourage something like, I dunno, trying to overturn the election results.  That’d be crazy if something like that happened.

[thegeneral 3,214]

8 hours ago, jerryskids said:

So, nothing on my actual post. Thanks for the pseud discussion, it was enlightening. Goodnight.

 

I felt like I have answered you twice now. I don’t agree with this idea that because Trump is one person versus Harris the political cog that one side’s language is more or less dangerous. To wit - Jan 6th. A terrible outcome inspired by fever dream, nutjob rhetoric.

There are a lot of insane people out there. We can’t, however, cater to the lowest common denominator. Even with the crazy hyper partisanship and the unlimited number of  bullhorns available to folks the vast majority of people pay attention, vote, talk about it at work or on the course a bit and then move on with their days doing like normal people. 

[jerryskids 6,800]

4 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Agree.

I disagree that it’s not as bad because you think the left’s rhetoric specifically targets Trump.   For one, the “they must be stopped” post didn’t even mention Trump and was addressing “MAGA Republicans” in the plural form.   Regardless, if we’re condemning “dangerous rhetoric” (which I am fine with condemning I just wouldn’t really blame the assassination attempts on, particularly based on what we know about the would-be assassins), I disagree that saying Trump is being targeted somehow makes it not as bad.  Saying “America will fall to tyranny” could encourage something like, I dunno, trying to overturn the election results.  That’d be crazy if something like that happened.

 

15 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I felt like I have answered you twice now. I don’t agree with this idea that because Trump is one person versus Harris the political cog that one side’s language is more or less dangerous. To wit - Jan 6th. A terrible outcome inspired by fever dream, nutjob rhetoric.

There are a lot of insane people out there. We can’t, however, cater to the lowest common denominator. Even with the crazy hyper partisanship and the unlimited number of  bullhorns available to folks the vast majority of people pay attention, vote, talk about it at work or on the course a bit and then move on with their days doing like normal people. 

It seems we're moving the "danger" goalposts from assassination attempts to believing things you don't like.  I don't feel like litigating 1/6 again:  one person's mob that got out of hand is another persons "they tried to guillotine Mike Pence$#@!"

I'll merely say that it is not a danger to question election results, especially with the unique weirdness of the last election, any more than it is a danger to question the source of Covid or the safety of the Vax or the source of a laptop.  

[thegeneral 3,214]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

It seems we're moving the "danger" goalposts from assassination attempts to believing things you don't like.  I don't feel like litigating 1/6 again:  one person's mob that got out of hand is another persons "they tried to guillotine Mike Pence$#@!"

I'll merely say that it is not a danger to question election results, especially with the unique weirdness of the last election, any more than it is a danger to question the source of Covid or the safety of the Vax or the source of a laptop.  

It seems the way your nom does this is very dangerous. To the point his own VP and some of the biggest stick up the ass conservatives in the country say he’s too dangerous and unfit to have the job despite him cutting their taxes.

[jerryskids 6,800]

12 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

It seems the way your nom does this is very dangerous. To the point his own VP and some of the biggest stick up the ass conservatives in the country say he’s too dangerous and unfit to have the job despite him cutting their taxes.

Is it dangerous to question why life-long establishment politicians (and political adjacent people) on both sides say Trump is too dangerous?  Or is it better to just believe it?

[thegeneral 3,214]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Is it dangerous to question why life-long establishment politicians (and political adjacent people) on both sides say Trump is too dangerous?  Or is it better to just believe it?

His own VP,  Cabinet members, his Chief of Staff, military advisors, etc.

 I’m saying his rhetoric and actions are dangerous. You can try and waive it away that it’s already been litigated or say look at what Anderson Cooper said.

 

[jerryskids 6,800]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

His own VP,  Cabinet members, his Chief of Staff, military advisors, etc.

 I’m saying his rhetoric and actions are dangerous. You can try and waive it away that it’s already been litigated or say look at what Anderson Cooper said.

 

You can have your whataboutism, Trump's rhetoric is dangerous, too.  Happy?

It's just sad that in a thread (and the MSDNC) where we are discussing the second assassination attempt on Trump in two months, we're arguing that the issue is Trump's rhetoric.

[MDC 7,435]

The MAGA pearl clutching and crocodile tears about rhetoric is a laugh. No politician in my lifetime has done more to drag the conversation into the gutter and demonize his opponents with deranged rhetoric than Trump. You reap what you sow.

[thegeneral 3,214]

Just now, jerryskids said:

You can have your whataboutism, Trump's rhetoric is dangerous, too.  Happy?

It's just sad that in a thread (and the MSDNC) where we are discussing the second assassination attempt on Trump in two months, we're arguing that the issue is Trump's rhetoric.

I agree that these assassination attempts are awful. They are the acts of lunatics

[nobody 2,674]

31 minutes ago, MDC said:

The MAGA pearl clutching and crocodile tears about rhetoric is a laugh. No politician in my lifetime has done more to drag the conversation into the gutter and demonize his opponents with deranged rhetoric than Trump. You reap what you sow.

Pearl clutching and crocodile tears?  All anyone is saying is there has been two legit attempts to take the guy out, so maybe tone down the rhetoric that he's taking away democracy if he gets elected.  People were rolling their eyes at the rhetoric before a guy put a bullet a few inches from his brain, and a guy was found waiting for him to pass by so he could ambush him. 

[purdygood 352]

2 minutes ago, nobody said:

Pearl clutching and crocodile tears?  All anyone is saying is there has been two legit attempts to take the guy out, so maybe tone down the rhetoric that he's taking away democracy if he gets elected.  People were rolling their eyes at the rhetoric before a guy put a bullet a few inches from his brain, and a guy was found waiting for him to pass by so he could ambush him. 

I don't condone people trying to kill him. But there is also a correlation between his insane hateful speech and insane hateful people wanting to take him out. You draw in the energy you put out. 

[The Psychic Observer 498]

6 minutes ago, nobody said:

Pearl clutching and crocodile tears?  All anyone is saying is there has been two legit attempts to take the guy out, so maybe tone down the rhetoric that he's taking away democracy if he gets elected.  People were rolling their eyes at the rhetoric before a guy put a bullet a few inches from his brain, and a guy was found waiting for him to pass by so he could ambush him. 

He did try and steal the 2020 election.  Some people might call that taking away democracy.  I might be one of those people.

[nobody 2,674]

36 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

He did try and steal the 2020 election.  Some people might call that taking away democracy.  I might be one of those people.

Yeah, I know.  The Party did a great job convincing people J6 was much more than it was.  

[Mike Honcho 5,283]

Any word on the what 'conspiracy' we are going with on this?

[Mike Honcho 5,283]

50 minutes ago, nobody said:

Pearl clutching and crocodile tears?  All anyone is saying is there has been two legit attempts to take the guy out, so maybe tone down the rhetoric that he's taking away democracy if he gets elected.  People were rolling their eyes at the rhetoric before a guy put a bullet a few inches from his brain, and a guy was found waiting for him to pass by so he could ambush him. 

 

 

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“She’s a Marxist, communist, fascist, socialist,” Trump said at an Arizona rally on Thursday.

“This is a radical-left, Marxist, communist, fascist,” Trump said while attacking Harris at a news conference on Friday.

This wasn’t new rhetoric. “We have a fascist person running who’s incompetent,” Trump told Virginia residents during a campaign stop in August; at an Arizona rally in August, Trump said the true divide in American politics is between patriots with traditional values and “these far-left fascists led by Harris and her group.”

And Trump has gone beyond saying that electing Harris would mean an end to American democracy. He has said this summer that electing Harris would mean “you’re not going to have a country anymore” and that “we’re not going to have a country left.”

 

 

[The Psychic Observer 498]

1 minute ago, nobody said:

Yeah, I know.  The Party did a great job convincing people J6 was much more than it was.  

I'm not talking about J6.  I'm talking about everything that happened before that.  J6 was just the final play.  Everything that led up to it, lying about the election being stolen, lying about the fraudulent ballots, filing all the frivolous court cases, running lawyers all over the country spreading nonsense, calling the election official in Georgia and trying to bully him into fraudulently giving him more votes, assigning fraudulent electors and then telling Mike Pence that he has the authority and the duty to not certify.  The hail mary was the attack on the capitol.  It was everything that led up to it that shows defines his intent to steal the election.  Stealing an election is a clear threat to democracy.

lets not forget he will do it again.

[nobody 2,674]

42 minutes ago, purdygood said:

I don't condone people trying to kill him. But there is also a correlation between his insane hateful speech and insane hateful people wanting to take him out. You draw in the energy you put out. 

Has there been a bunch of insane hateful speech, though?  I probably would've missed it since I don't really listen to much he says?  I'd assume I would've heard about since it's Trump and all and everything he does is under a microscope.  Or does The Party say he's been saying insane hateful things without a lot of examples?

Off the top of my head, I remember something about Mexico sending rapists or something a few years ago.  Then there's been the whole, "they'll eat your cats" thing, but I don't see how that would drive people to want to assassinate him.

[purdygood 352]

9 minutes ago, nobody said:

Has there been a bunch of insane hateful speech, though?  I probably would've missed it since I don't really listen to much he says?  I'd assume I would've heard about since it's Trump and all and everything he does is under a microscope.  Or does The Party say he's been saying insane hateful things without a lot of examples?

Off the top of my head, I remember something about Mexico sending rapists or something a few years ago.  Then there's been the whole, "they'll eat your cats" thing, but I don't see how that would drive people to want to assassinate him.

There has definitely been a lot of "insane".  
 

"Hateful" maybe less so (but it exists going back way before he was President, the central park 5, birtherism, etc etc) more like a lot "victim hood lies" allllllll the time. 
 

He just gives off a crazy vibe. That sets off crazy people.  Some call that TDS.  But TDS works both ways. People who love him and people who hate him. 

[nobody 2,674]

14 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

“She’s a Marxist, communist, fascist, socialist,” Trump said at an Arizona rally on Thursday.

“This is a radical-left, Marxist, communist, fascist,” Trump said while attacking Harris at a news conference on Friday.

This wasn’t new rhetoric. “We have a fascist person running who’s incompetent,” Trump told Virginia residents during a campaign stop in August; at an Arizona rally in August, Trump said the true divide in American politics is between patriots with traditional values and “these far-left fascists led by Harris and her group.”

And Trump has gone beyond saying that electing Harris would mean an end to American democracy. He has said this summer that electing Harris would mean “you’re not going to have a country anymore” and that “we’re not going to have a country left.”

 

So, the "well they do it too" argument.

Trump says it, and I agree that he shouldn't be saying it himself, but you'll notice that no one is trying to kill Kamala.  And here's the reason... The MAGA media arms aren't picking it up.  If they do, I'd bet someone would get some stupid ideas about Kamala.

That being said, I'm pretty sure everyone recognizes Kamala for what she is... a puppet.  Why would you even bother trying to assassinate her when there's a massive line of puppets right behind her.

So how about this?  Because The Party is so effective at programming people into believing Trump is going to put everyone in concentration camps and install himself as dictator that people actively are trying to kill him, let's solve that first.  Then if people start hiding out where ever Kamala hangs out with guns trying to kill her, we'll move Trump's ramblings up the priority list. 

Or don't, whatever.  Man, I don't even know why people denying The Party having an influence over these would-be assassins makes me want to call it out as BS.  I don't even care if the whole lot of them got shot tomorrow.  I guess it just seems so obvious, I want to engage.

[MDC 7,435]

37 minutes ago, nobody said:

Pearl clutching and crocodile tears?  All anyone is saying is there has been two legit attempts to take the guy out, so maybe tone down the rhetoric that he's taking away democracy if he gets elected.  People were rolling their eyes at the rhetoric before a guy put a bullet a few inches from his brain, and a guy was found waiting for him to pass by so he could ambush him. 

Yeah. If you guys want to take the temperature down ask Trump. He’s been in near hysterics for many years.  

[The Psychic Observer 498]

2 minutes ago, nobody said:

The Party is so effective at programming people into believing Trump is going to put everyone in concentration camps and install himself as dictator that people actively are trying to kill him.

I have never heard the DNC say that Trump will put everyone in camps, just the illegals.  Trump has said this himself so it's not a lie.  He tried once to install himself as dictator so he'll probably do it again.

 

[nobody 2,674]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

Yeah. If you guys want to take the temperature down ask Trump. He’s been in near hysterics for many years.  

So your stance is because Trump says inflammatory comments, he deserves to have The Party program people to think he'll end democracy to such an extent that they want to kill him.

That's pretty evil.  Not because it might get Trump killed, but think about the people that are actually being brainwashed by that stuff.

[nobody 2,674]

See what I mean?  This guy The Psychic Observer actually believes Trump is going to install himself as a dictator and that he tried to do it before.  Now he might not go buy a gun and kill Trump, but I'm sure there's some percentage of the people that have been similarly brainwashed that think that killing him over that is justifiable risk mitigation.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

There is no whataboutism here.  When Harris or Biden start getting shot at, or supporters wearing pro Democrat gear start getting attacked, then we can talk.

[MDC 7,435]

1 minute ago, nobody said:

So your stance is because Trump says inflammatory comments, he deserves to have The Party program people to think he'll end democracy to such an extent that they want to kill him.

That's pretty evil.  Not because it might get Trump killed, but think about the people that are actually being brainwashed by that stuff.

No, my stance is Trump has no business lecturing other people about rhetoric given his long rich history of inflammatory comments. 

If someone takes a shot at Biden or Harris will that be Trump’s fault? He did say they destroyed the country.

His crocodile tears about rhetoric are hilarious.  

[nobody 2,674]

30 minutes ago, MDC said:

No, my stance is Trump has no business lecturing other people about rhetoric given his long rich history of inflammatory comments. 

If someone takes a shot at Biden or Harris will that be Trump’s fault? He did say they destroyed the country.

His crocodile tears about rhetoric are hilarious.  

I didn't see Trump crying about rhetoric, but if he did, you're right, that's pretty laughable coming from him.

And yeah, the only idiot I hear saying if Kamala wins, the country is donezo or whatever is Trump, so I'd say he's at fault.  Of course, 1 guy, even one that has a platform as big as Trump's isn't enough to program people.  The Party is so effective at it because they have a coordinated media arm that disseminates the programming for them.  If fox news starts picking up Trump's ramblings about Kamala ending the country, I'd bet we'd start seeing elevated attacks on Kamala.  As it stands, though, when Trump goes off the rails, even his supporters are like, "I'm going to sit this one out, champ."

[purdygood 352]

10 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

There is no whataboutism here.  When Harris or Biden start getting shot at, or supporters wearing pro Democrat gear start getting attacked, then we can talk.

No one is going to "wear pro democrat gear" because Democrats arent in a political cult.    And i'm not even a Democrat and never have been.   Unless Kamala starts selling cheap Chinese made hats. Then maybe i'll buy one. 

[MDC 7,435]

3 minutes ago, nobody said:

I didn't see Trump crying about rhetoric, but if he did, you're right, that's pretty laughable coming from him.

Trump blamed Biden and Harris for someone taking a shot at him during the debate last week. He went on to call Kamala a Marxist and imply that she’s trying to destroy America while accusing Haitian migrants of eating pets.

Don can go suck a D.