What will President Trump do about the January 6 defendants?

[squistion 1,955]

Just now, jonmx said:

She was climbing through a window in a helpless position.  She was not looking at him, he snuck up on her.   

People were yelling in the crowd "He has a gun!" - how is that sneaking up on her? 

[jonmx 2,424]

Just now, squistion said:

Ashley Babbitt was not shot from behind. The Capitol Police officer was facing her and some people in the crowd tried to warn her to stop, yelling "He has a gun!"

Of course the officer was facing her.   But if Ashli could not see for herself that he had a gun, she was not facing him.   She was in a helpless position climbing through a window.   

[jonmx 2,424]

Just now, squistion said:

People were yelling in the crowd "He has a gun!" - how is that sneaking up on her? 

JFC, you can not be serious.  If this were a case of a black man shot by a white cop, the cop would have been executed by now. 

[Sean Mooney 1,939]

7 minutes ago, jonmx said:

She was climbing through a window in a helpless position.  She was not looking at him, he snuck up on her.   

You are just fundamentally wrong on this. He was standing there 

[squistion 1,955]

3 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Of course the officer was facing her.   But if Ashli could not see for herself that he had a gun, she was not facing him.   She was in a helpless position climbing through a window.   

But she could hear people yelling at her "He's got a gun!"

[Sean Mooney 1,939]

jonmx has said "Ashli Babbitt was shot in the back....the police office snuck up on her....she was outnumbered 50:1"

Here is video from a Paramount+ documentary trailer....you can clearly see the gun is in front of her to the side. You can see when the guy shoots. You can see that the people breaking through the glass hear "He has a gun" and from other angles you can see some of the guys back off. She stupidly tries to climb through the window.

 

Again- she fvcked around and found out. 

[jbycho 597]

They need to all be freed and paid well for their time spent in lockup. Democrat prosecutors and judges need to be put in prison for as long as the victims, who Trump will let out, had to stay.

[squistion 1,955]

25 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

jonmx has said "Ashli Babbitt was shot in the back....the police office snuck up on her....she was outnumbered 50:1"

Here is video from a Paramount+ documentary trailer....you can clearly see the gun is in front of her to the side. You can see when the guy shoots. You can see that the people breaking through the glass hear "He has a gun" and from other angles you can see some of the guys back off. She stupidly tries to climb through the window.

Again- she fvcked around and found out. 

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. 

[jbycho 597]

28 minutes ago, squistion said:

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. 

RIP George Floyd. 

[avoiding injuries 1,511]

Damn. Jon is mopping the floor in this thread. He seems to be more in tuned with this event than anyone else who is posting with him. I might advise to stand down at this point. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,707]

We have irrefutable proof the 2020 election was stolen.  This was, in most cases, a more than justified mostly peaceful protest.   

[jbycho 597]

16 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

We have irrefutable proof the 2020 election was stolen.  This was, in most cases, a more than justified mostly peaceful protest.   

Imagine a protest where when the protesters were told to go home, they actually went home. January 6 2021. 

 

[Engorgeous George 2,142]

2 hours ago, squistion said:

He should get a medal for stopping her from leading the mob into the chambers of Congress where they would have assaulted and killed any member of Congress or Senate they got their hands on. What do think they would have done if they got their hands on Pelosi, stop and ask for her autograph?

I believe Pelosi's frightening eyebrows would have stopped them in their tracks.

[Engorgeous George 2,142]

2 hours ago, squistion said:

Doesn't matter.  You keep saying she was unarmed and that is a lie.

Fun Fact:

A pocket knife is a weapon and qualifies here as being armed. 

Fun fact, in most jurisdictions we need to know whether the blade was 3 inches or more for it to be considered a weapon.  I don't know how long the blade was.  i will say this, I don't want to get stabbed by a knife with a 2.75 inch blade, but there it is.

[Engorgeous George 2,142]

I support commutation.  I am not sure about pardons.  Let's get this behind us.  Let's be unburdened by the past.  Informed by it, but unburdened by it.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

He’s pretty much already said. He’ll pardon all of them except those who personally assaulted an officer or something—basically if there won’t be too much blowback 

[Fnord 2,051]

2 hours ago, HellToupee said:

Biden is going to pardon them , most of them. In turn Donald is going to pardon Hunter

You have this backwards. Why wouldn't Biden pardon Hunter at this point? No reason not to.

[MLCKAA 546]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

No, she wouldn’t. There are plenty of people who would. But Ethel was guilty. 

She most certainly was not.

[MLCKAA 546]

2 hours ago, jonmx said:

What do Russian spies have to do with protestors.  There was no revolution.  They did not being guns.  They brought their voices to be heard on what they considered to be an injustice.  That is as American as you get.  Only to be entrapped into entering the Capitol in which only a few actually 'broke' in.  

Ethel Rosenberg was not a spy.

My other point might not have been articulated well enough, I suppose.  I was trying to point out that it’s hypocritical for a nation founded on revolution to punish people who take the same actions later in the life of that nation.  And that’s IF one even considers J6 an insurrection, which I don’t think you do.

[BrahmaBulls 628]

3 hours ago, squistion said:

Doesn't matter.  You keep saying she was unarmed and that is a lie.

Fun Fact:

A pocket knife is a weapon and qualifies here as being armed. 

Have you always been this big of a d1ckhead or just during Trump?  There's no way you interact with people in real life and don't get your a$$ kicked.

[BrahmaBulls 628]

I hope he pardons the cop that Kaepernicked George Floyd

[jbycho 597]

11 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

I hope he pardons the cop that Kaepernicked George Floyd

And then give him the medal of honor. 

[The Real timschochet 6,443]

21 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

She most certainly was not.

I don’t want to distract from the main topic but: 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/nation/declassified-documents-shed-light-on-ethel-rosenbergs-involvement-in-her-husbands-cold-war-spy-case

Technically you’re right. She wasn’t a spy due to illness. But she knew exactly what her husband was doing and was sympathetic and most importantly did not turn him in. The Soviet Union’s acquisition of our nuclear secrets and technology allowed them to maintain the Iron Curtain and caused the deaths and misery of millions of people. Ethel could have stopped her husband and did not. In my judgment that was treason and she well deserved her execution. 

[HellToupee 1,592]

57 minutes ago, Fnord said:

You have this backwards. Why wouldn't Biden pardon Hunter at this point? No reason not to.

Biden said he wouldn’t pardon Hunter. Joe releases the J6ers who shouldn’t be there and Donald returns the favor and closes the book on Biden’s degenerate son. 

[HellToupee 1,592]

2 hours ago, squistion said:

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. 

Personally I’ve always thought you were a lowlife and a pos. A self centered person incapable of empathy . This confirms it

[RLLD 4,143]

9 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Biden said he wouldn’t pardon Hunter. Joe releases the J6ers who shouldn’t be there and Donald returns the favor and closes the book on Biden’s degenerate son. 

No!!!

Hunter is the link to uncovering what Joe sold to our enemies.

NOOOO!

some deranged quid pro quo where Hunter escapes and we never uncover what Joe sold to our enemies!?!?!!

Fock that

[squistion 1,955]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

No!!!

Hunter is the link to uncovering what Joe sold to our enemies.

NOOOO!

some deranged quid pro quo where Hunter escapes and we never uncover what Joe sold to our enemies!?!?!!

Fock that

Biden has not said that he will pardon Hunter (although he may do that). 

[TBayXXXVII 2,485]

16 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

About a year ago, he said that he would consider pardoning some of them on a case by case basis. At another time he said he would free most of them. He’s also said he would pardon all of them.

What will he do and what should he do? 

Trump should have a person tasked with reviewing every case to see if the government overreached their authority and/or prosecuted people worse than what should have.  Those people should be pardoned or have their sentence commuted as soon as possible.  Anyone else who was prosecuted fairly, should serve the rest of their sentence as applicable.  That's what SHOULD happen.  Now, none of that matters because whatever route Trump takes, it will piss off the left, so whatever he does is ok by me.

[Sean Mooney 1,939]

Backing up to the Biden talk a minute...if he chooses not to pardon his son even knowing that might open Hunter up to an investigation (although Trump has floated pardoning Hunter or just letting it go) how do you view that move by Biden?

[MLCKAA 546]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t want to distract from the main topic but: 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/nation/declassified-documents-shed-light-on-ethel-rosenbergs-involvement-in-her-husbands-cold-war-spy-case

Technically you’re right. She wasn’t a spy due to illness. But she knew exactly what her husband was doing and was sympathetic and most importantly did not turn him in. The Soviet Union’s acquisition of our nuclear secrets and technology allowed them to maintain the Iron Curtain and caused the deaths and misery of millions of people. Ethel could have stopped her husband and did not. In my judgment that was treason and she well deserved her execution. 

We can all believe what we want to.  That’s not the only narrative and, IMO, not the most compelling.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,950]

You can’t pardon someone until they are convicted. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,485]

29 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Backing up to the Biden talk a minute...if he chooses not to pardon his son even knowing that might open Hunter up to an investigation (although Trump has floated pardoning Hunter or just letting it go) how do you view that move by Biden?

I view that as Biden knew before he left office that Hunter would get no jail time.  If Hunter does get jail time, because I have very little respect for Joe as a person, I'd see it as him saying "F-U" to his son for dragging him into it and being a political football and partially responsible for Joe not running for re-election.

Also, if Hunter gets any jail time, I'd expect it to be very, very short, and the MSM and DNC (and people like you), will pretend that Hunter was accountable and not above the law.  Whereas, the rest of us in the sane world know that had this been a regular citizen, they probably would've been found guilty of treason and given the death penalty.

 

[The Real timschochet 6,443]

38 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You can’t pardon someone until they are convicted. 

This isn’t true. 

[Engorgeous George 2,142]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

This isn’t true. 

You are correct.  Conviction is not required at the time of the pardon.  See: The Supreme Court and the president’s pardon power - SCOTUSblog

[The Real timschochet 6,443]

Just now, Engorgeous George said:

You are correct.  Conviction is not required at the time of the pardon.  See: The Supreme Court and the president’s pardon power - SCOTUSblog

I just remembered Nixon and I knew it wasn’t true. 

[jbycho 597]

A president shouldn't be allowed to pardon a family member who is directly involved with their own crimes. But whatever. Joe Biden is all but a vegetable at this point anyway. 

[Engorgeous George 2,142]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I just remembered Nixon and I knew it wasn’t true. 

Nixon's crimes almost seem quaint by today's standards.  A keystome cop burglary by a bunch of stooges many with no more intelligence than the Otto character in a Fish Called Wanda.  I ham-handed coverup based on hubris by the Predsident.  I wonder, are those the good old days now?

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

Part of me says pardon certain ones but the other part says fock em all.

[Maximum Overkill 1,741]

18 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

About a year ago, he said that he would consider pardoning some of them on a case by case basis. At another time he said he would free most of them. He’s also said he would pardon all of them.

What will he do and what should he do? 

I would pardon some, not all. There were some dumb asses that just followed the crowd with no ill intention. They already paid a big price for their crime. 

The ring leaders or those who caused violence could be locked up forever for all I care. 

[jbycho 597]

Just now, Maximum Overkill said:

I would pardon some, not all. There were some dumb asses that just followed the crowd with no ill intention. They already paid a big price for their crime. 

The ring leaders or those who caused violence could be locked up forever for all I care. 

They were antifa and allowed to go free.