So Babbit Was Murdered After All...

[thegeneral 3,044]

3 hours ago, jonmx said:

I really don't give a fuk what some ignorant bootlicking cuck thinks.  

Hey look we agree on something

[jonmx 2,425]

30 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

A cop can shoot someone when they have probable cause to believe the suspect poses an imminent threat of serious bodily harm. 

This situation meets that to everyone except people who are crazy.

Good lord you are one of the dumbest MFers.  An unarmed woman who is in a helpless position trying to climb through broken glass surrounded by dozens of heavily armed police and several FBI agents is NOT an imminent threat to anyone but to the most retarded people on the face of the earth. 

 

[squistion 2,021]

6 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Good lord you are one of the dumbest MFers.  An unarmed woman who is in a helpless position trying to climb through broken glass surrounded by dozens of heavily armed police and several FBI agents is NOT an imminent threat to anyone but to the most retarded people on the face of the earth. 

She wasn't surrounded by "dozens" of heavily armed police, according to every video I've seen. And the police who were there said they were too afraid of the crowd to use their weapons in close quarters like that. 

[thegeneral 3,044]

28 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Good lord you are one of the dumbest MFers.  An unarmed woman who is in a helpless position trying to climb through broken glass surrounded by dozens of heavily armed police and several FBI agents is NOT an imminent threat to anyone but to the most retarded people on the face of the earth. 

 

A mob of people breaking down series of doors, windows and beating on cops now inside your building then begin crawling through a window that had been barricaded. Yep you are going to get shot.

A handcuffed guy being pinned down by his neck for 10 minutes with a bunch of other cops standing there is proper use of force.

You are legit crazy on this subject.

[Mike Honcho 5,197]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

You forgot the part where the bus then crashes into a Chinese fireworks factory, causing all the Chinamen to comically scatter while the building erupts into a massive fireworks display. 

 

 

[TBayXXXVII 2,499]

I think this is funny.  The Communist Party for the first time, are ok with a police shooting. 

[MDC 7,203]

21 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I think this is funny.  The Communist Party for the first time, are ok with a police shooting. 

And we found the one police shooting forearm MAGAs won’t defend.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,093]

No one defended the Walter Scott shooting. Or that kid in the hotel in Arizona. There are more. MDC just says stuff. 

[thegeneral 3,044]

43 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I think this is funny.  The Communist Party for the first time, are ok with a police shooting. 

You go case by case. George Floyd, Rodney King, many others not good. Clearly excessive.

Ashli Babbitt, many others, while tragic is not murder. Cop put in a situation where shooting is not murder.

 

[thegeneral 3,044]

34 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No one defended the Walter Scott shooting. Or that kid in the hotel in Arizona. There are more. MDC just says stuff. 

The guy who said Nancy Pelosi murdered Babbitt.

[squistion 2,021]

7 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

You go case by case. George Floyd, Rodney King, many others not good. Clearly excessive.

Ashli Babbitt, many others, while tragic is not murder. Cop put in a situation where shooting is not murder.

Exactly. I have never heard anyone say that all police shootings are unjustified. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,093]

20 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

The guy who said Nancy Pelosi murdered Babbitt.

the guy with no sense of humor. Please refrain from responding to my posts. You’re tedious. 

[thegeneral 3,044]

14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

the guy with no sense of humor. Please refrain from responding to my posts. You’re tedious. 

You should try being funny instead of a shut-in yelling at the clouds.

[MDC 7,203]

2 hours ago, thegeneral said:

The guy who said Nancy Pelosi murdered Babbitt.

HT just says stuff. Sometimes sexual stuff, about kids.

[Maximum Overkill 1,833]

4 hours ago, MDC said:

HT just says stuff. Sometimes sexual stuff, about kids.

Some people have a gender identity that doesn’t match the sex they were given at birth — for example, they were born with a vulva, vagina, and uterus, but they identify as male. These people are transgender (or trans). Transgender is the “T” in LGBTQ.

It's ok, you don't have to hide anymore. 

[MDC 7,203]

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,833]

10 minutes ago, MDC said:

 

Your Mom has a Dik  

[IGotWorms 4,057]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

 

Do you think there’s a single tranny pron video out there that Maximum Dipsh1t hasn’t fapped to?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,093]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

Do you think there’s a single tranny pron video out there that Maximum Dipsh1t hasn’t fapped to?

I’m still amused that guys like you are very upset that Kamala Harris isn’t going to be president.

[TimHauck 2,653]

Looks like Babbitt’s family is gonna get millions of taxpayer dollars, and lots of people calling for murder charges for Byrd.

I guess homeowners can’t shoot home invaders anymore.

[Mike Hunt 266]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Looks like Babbitt’s family is gonna get millions of taxpayer dollars, and lots of people calling for murder charges for Byrd.

I guess homeowners can’t shoot home invaders anymore.

Why not?  The Gentle Giants family got 1.5 in the St Louis justified shooting.

[purdygood 342]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Looks like Babbitt’s family is gonna get millions of taxpayer dollars, and lots of people calling for murder charges for Byrd.

I guess homeowners can’t shoot home invaders anymore.

Byrd should be paid for taking out trash. The only thing he did wrong was he did'nt shoot more of them.

[TimHauck 2,653]

2 hours ago, Mike Hunt said:

Why not?  The Gentle Giants family got 1.5 in the St Louis justified shooting.

So you agree this was justified?

[thegeneral 3,044]

2 hours ago, purdygood said:

Byrd should be paid for taking out trash. The only thing he did wrong was he did'nt shoot more of them.

It is wild that more people weren’t shot that day. I’m sorry this crazy broad was shot and she bought so hard into all Donald’s bullshit.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,093]

23 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

It is wild that more people weren’t shot that day. I’m sorry this crazy broad was shot and she bought so hard into all Donald’s bullshit.

thinks men can get pregnant but elections can’t be rigged. 

[thegeneral 3,044]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

thinks men can get pregnant but elections can’t be rigged. 

Thinks of men in the shower and that Donald won the election like a halfwit mouth breather.

[purdygood 342]

51 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

It is wild that more people weren’t shot that day. I’m sorry this crazy broad was shot and she bought so hard into all Donald’s bullshit.

Yep.  If i ran up into the capital building right now I would deserve to be shot.   But her hat was red so she's a hero i guess.

[thegeneral 3,044]

3 minutes ago, purdygood said:

Yep.  If i ran up into the capital building right now I would deserve to be shot.   But her hat was red so she's a hero i guess.

I think most people, even majority of maga crowd, understand why this lady got shot. Only the hard core kool aide drinkers call it murder.

[WhiteWonder 2,691]

5 hours ago, TimHauck said:

 

I guess homeowners can’t shoot home invaders anymore.

I mean, I believe there are still some states that don't have full castle doctrine and still incorporate a duty to retreat first, if possible. 

but also, whose house was this?

[TimHauck 2,653]

12 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I mean, I believe there are still some states that don't have full castle doctrine and still incorporate a duty to retreat first, if possible. 

but also, whose house was this?

America’s.

[WhiteWonder 2,691]

Admittedly, I kind of don't get involved much with this stuff because on one hand, the entire events of that day should have never happened... but on the other hand, the left have painted the events as MUCH bigger than they actually were. Shit, just read "Killing of Ashli Babbitt" on wikipedia and you can tell which side wrote it. The bombastic language used is typical of how the left want/need that day to be remembered. 

so being that I have not been obsessed with it for the past 4+ years, I do have some questions such as...

how many weapons did she have on her when she crawled through that window in order for that shooting to "potentially save members of Congress and staff from serious injury and possible death" where a bullet was the best option? 

[squistion 2,021]

8 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Admittedly, I kind of don't get involved much with this stuff because on one hand, the entire events of that day should have never happened... but on the other hand, the left have painted the events as MUCH bigger than they actually were. Shit, just read "Killing of Ashli Babbitt" on wikipedia and you can tell which side wrote it. The bombastic language used is typical of how the left want/need that day to be remembered. 

so being that I have not been obsessed with it for the past 4+ years, I do have some questions such as...

how many weapons did she have on her when she crawled through that window in order for that shooting to "potentially save members Congress and staff from serious injury and possible death" where a bullet was the best option? 

She had a folding knife but it was not the weapons on her (or lack thereof) that was the problem, as she was about to lead a lawless mob into the House chambers with the intent of killing any legislator that they could get their hands on (and there are videos of some of them saying that).

Videos of her shooting have been posted here with several people warning her and screaming "He has a gun!" yet she continued her attempted breaching of the chamber and paid the price with her life. 

 

[thegeneral 3,044]

7 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Admittedly, I kind of don't get involved much with this stuff because on one hand, the entire events of that day should have never happened... but on the other hand, the left have painted the events as MUCH bigger than they actually were. Shit, just read "Killing of Ashli Babbitt" on wikipedia and you can tell which side wrote it. The bombastic language used is typical of how the left want/need that day to be remembered. 

so being that I have not been obsessed with it for the past 4+ years, I do have some questions such as...

how many weapons did she have on her when she crawled through that window in order for that shooting to "potentially save members of Congress and staff from serious injury and possible death" where a bullet was the best option? 

Say this scenario occurred at your office. Your building you work in is a secure place. It requires tremendous security due to the nature of the work. Thousands of people have descended on it. They have beaten the security and are now in the building. It’s pandemonium. Your office has further been secured but the guards who were standing in front of the mob have  left. This sends the mob into a frenzy and they begin smashing the doors, they are glass, and the first one begins crawling through a busted open window.

How would you like to see this situation played out?

[WhiteWonder 2,691]

6 minutes ago, squistion said:

She had a folding knife but it was not the weapons on her (or lack thereof) that was the problem, as she was about to lead a lawless mob into the House chambers with the intent of killing any legislator that they could get their hands on (and there are videos of some of them saying that).

Videos of her shooting have been posted here with several people warning her and screaming "He has a gun!" yet she continued her attempted breaching of the chamber and paid the price with her life. 

 

I was not aware she had a folding knife. Thank you for letting me know. I assume she was waving this knife around and attempting to stab people?

How do you know what the intent of the "lawless mob" (typical bombastic language like I mentioned before) was? Or more importantly, what HER intent was? Since you just said she was the leader. 

Would the more appropriate action be to use physical force to subdue her and cuff her?  or shoot her? 

Look, i'm not saying she was a smart woman. And I am sure there was a lot of confusion that day...  I just can't think of many examples where someone who is unarmed (if the knife was in her pocket for example) and committing a non violent crime (in this case breaking and entering?) would be shot and killed as an appropriate response

[WhiteWonder 2,691]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Say this scenario occurred at your office. Your building you work in is a secure place. It requires tremendous security due to the nature of the work. Thousands of people have descended on it. They have beaten the security and are now in the building. It’s pandemonium. Your office has further been secured but the guards who were standing in front of the mob have  left. This sends the mob into a frenzy and they begin smashing the doors, they are glass, and the first one begins crawling through a busted open window.

How would you like to see this situation played out?

Fun scenario. You've decided it's "pandemonium" so we will go with that. And due to the nature of the work there is tremendous security, yet they were beaten by a mostly unarmed mob of people. 

 I assume in this situation, since you are trying to paint a comparison, there is an armed guard in shooting distance of the busted open window? Since my armed guard has a gun, and the mob member does not, my preference would be use physical (not deadly) force on this first person crawling through the window. 

Unless you want to paint a scenario where I am in Olympus Has Fallen.  If that's the case, gimme Gerard Butler killing mother fuckers

[squistion 2,021]

7 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I was not aware she had a folding knife. Thank you for letting me know. I assume she was waving this knife around and attempting to stab people?

How do you know what the intent of the "lawless mob" (typical bombastic language like I mentioned before) was? Or more importantly, what HER intent was? Since you just said she was the leader. 

Would the more appropriate action be to use physical force to subdue her and cuff her?  or shoot her? 

Look, i'm not saying she was a smart woman. And I am sure there was a lot of confusion that day...  I just can't think of many examples where someone who is unarmed (if the knife was in her pocket for example) and committing a non violent crime (in this case breaking and entering?) would be shot and killed as an appropriate response

No, it was in her backpack. But it or any weapon was irrelevant to her being shot.

I didn't say she was the leader of the Jan 6 crowd, just that she was the one attempting to lead the mob into the Chamber.

There was only one officer on that side of the barrier. He could not attempt to subdue cuff without allowing the rest of the crowd in. 

The video of the shooting has been posted multiple times in this forum. You should view it.

[WhiteWonder 2,691]

1 minute ago, squistion said:

No, it was in her backpack. But it or any weapon was irrelevant to her being shot.

I didn't say she was the leader of the Jan 6 crowd, just that she was the one attempting to lead the mob into the Chamber.

There was only one officer on that side of the barrier. He could not attempt to subdue cuff without allowing the rest of the crowd in. 

The video of the shooting has been posted multiple times in this forum. You should view it.

I didn't mean you were saying she was the leader of the entire Jan 6 crowd, but you ARE saying she was leading the mob... do you just mean she happened to be the first one attempting to go through the window? 

These are legit questions, I'm not trying to bait you or anything. I am not a "maga republican" so I have no reason to blindly defend Ashli Babbitt.  Was the window she was crawling through a choke point?  It sounds like you're saying she was the first / person attempting to lead a mob in.   How is it that subduing one person would "allow the rest of the crowd in?"  They would have all been able to spill in at once?

[thegeneral 3,044]

8 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Fun scenario. You've decided it's "pandemonium" so we will go with that. And due to the nature of the work there is tremendous security, yet they were beaten by a mostly unarmed mob of people. 

 I assume in this situation, since you are trying to paint a comparison, there is an armed guard in shooting distance of the busted open window? Since my armed guard has a gun, and the mob member does not, my preference would be use physical (not deadly) force on this first person crawling through the window. 

Unless you want to paint a scenario where I am in Olympus Has Fallen.  If that's the case, gimme Gerard Butler killing mother fuckers

How would you describe a mob of screaming people busting through barricaded doors and then crawling through one of the broken windows on the day the government selects our President? Would that not be pandemonium. Would chaos be better, madness, utter mayhem?

You have a much higher tolerance for violent rioters than I do. 

In any case here’s the report for the shooting. What part do you disagree with:

Link

[WhiteWonder 2,691]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

How would you describe a mob of screaming people busting through barricaded doors and then crawling through one of the broken windows on the day the government selects our President? Would that not be pandemonium. Would chaos be better, madness, utter mayhem?

You have a much higher tolerance for violent rioters than I do. 

In any case here’s the report for the shooting. What part do you disagree with:

Link

Now you sound like you are getting triggered, when I specifically said that I do not follow this closely or let it consume me and that I had legitimate questions. I had no idea she committed any violent acts or that most of the rioters committed any violent acts. I don't believe breaking and entering / property damage is considered a violent crime. 

A majority of your linked press release is just a breakdown of what occurred on that day. I don't disagree with any of it (like I said, never should have happened) and I would say the way it is laid out would indeed make me wonder why a gun was fired. 

the closing statement of the release simply says "no evidence to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that the officer willfully committed a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 242".... it does not explain how or why they came to that conclusion. Which I wouldn't expect a press release to do. So I really can't say if I agree with their findings or reasoning 

[squistion 2,021]

11 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I didn't mean you were saying she was the leader of the entire Jan 6 crowd, but you ARE saying she was leading the mob... do you just mean she happened to be the first one attempting to go through the window? 

These are legit questions, I'm not trying to bait you or anything. I am not a "maga republican" so I have no reason to blindly defend Ashli Babbitt.  Was the window she was crawling through a choke point?  It sounds like you're saying she was the first / person attempting to lead a mob in.   How is it that subduing one person would "allow the rest of the crowd in?"  They would have all been able to spill in at once?

Please look at the video. You need to see it for yourself as it will answer many if not most of your questions about the shooting. It has been posted here in this forum muliple times and should be found pretty easily on YouTube.