Here come the tariffs

[Maximum Overkill 1,308]

10 hours ago, Death said:

you STFU when your cult leader lost in 2020?

You're taking this really hard BOYO. Perhaps you'll feel better after your Gloryhole Marathon tonight  

[IGotWorms 3,956]

54 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Excellent use of tariffs to have an impact.  It will be rather easy for Mexico to step up and avoid these tariffs entirely, and I submit that they will do so.

Trump is not going to impose those tariffs on Mexico or Canada. He’ll claim he got them to do something about the border. It will probably be total bullsh1t but it doesn’t really matter, now does it?

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[RLLD 3,919]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

Trump is not going to impose those tariffs on Mexico or Canada. He’ll claim he got them to do something about the border. It will probably be total bullsh1t but it doesn’t really matter, now does it?

I might suggest that he will implement them, and that the leaders of these nations already know full well based on his past behaviors that he absolutely WILL do so.  This is an important element in being persuasive without "muscle".  THIS....is how you do it.  The man is about to give  a master class in how to identify and use leverage to secure outcomes.   Fantastic stuff.  Exactly what I was hoping for .

[Reality 3,034]

You gotta love liberals, they have absolutely zero credibility on this subject and zero self awareness overall. This issue, along with a few others caused your team to get their teeth kicked in on election day. You defended 4 years of historic inflation caused by the current admin. You quote economists who consistently get it wrong, comically so.

Here's a novel idea, let's wait and see what actually gets implemented before the sky screaming starts. 

FYI local liberals, we take the subject seriously, we don't take you seriously. 

[IGotWorms 3,956]

Just now, RLLD said:

I might suggest that he will implement them, and that the leaders of these nations already know full well based on his past behaviors that he absolutely WILL do so.  This is an important element in being persuasive without "muscle".  THIS....is how you do it.  The man is about to give  a master class in how to identify and use leverage to secure outcomes.   Fantastic stuff.  Exactly what I was hoping for .

Not really, everyone knows he’s a dumb blustering  Canada and Mexico will just placate him a bit whilst they and the rest of the world wonder why they’re letting such an idiot lead, and wondering if maybe they would be better off with someone else at the helm. Fortunately for us China is pretty unpalatable, but we can only push that so far and we’re really testing the limits (again) with this fat stupid slob

[IGotWorms 3,956]

1 minute ago, Reality said:

You gotta love liberals, they have absolutely zero credibility on this subject and zero self awareness overall. This issue, along with a few others caused your team to get their teeth kicked in on election day. You defended 4 years of historic inflation caused by the current admin. You quote economists who consistently get it wrong, comically so.

Here's a novel idea, let's wait and see what actually gets implemented before the sky screaming starts. 

FYI local liberals, we take the subject seriously, we don't take you seriously. 

Are you stupid or something? Most people are saying they don’t think this will really happen

[RLLD 3,919]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

Not really, everyone knows he’s a dumb blustering  Canada and Mexico will just placate him a bit whilst they and the rest of the world wonder why they’re letting such an idiot lead, and wondering if maybe they would be better off with someone else at the helm. Fortunately for us China is pretty unpalatable, but we can only push that so far and we’re really testing the limits (again) with this fat stupid slob

We shall have to wait and see, thought it is abundantly clear that even now, around the world, people know what is coming and are repositioning.  Certainly the Chinese know very well he is no blowhard given how he worked them over.

I think you disdain the person, and allow that to color your approach, which is rather flaw3ed.  You do not have to like him as a person to love the way he does this.

[Mike Honcho 4,688]

11 hours ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

Trump is inheriting a robust economy with near target inflation and he's gonna fock it all up, and you're too dumb to understand any of it.

Pretty much the exact same situation he walked into last time, then spent the entire time saying it was because of him. Completely mishandles Covid, Dems deal with the repercussions and clean up his mess and he campaigns on how the economy was all their fault.   

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2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Are you stupid or something? Most people are saying they don’t think this will really happen

You either didn't read gutter, rusty, or tim's responses or, you're just incredibly stupid.

Either way, feel free to ignore mine as well going forward.

 

[IGotWorms 3,956]

Just now, RLLD said:

We shall have to wait and see, thought it is abundantly clear that even now, around the world, people know what is coming and are repositioning.  Certainly the Chinese know very well he is no blowhard given how he worked them over.

I think you disdain the person, and allow that to color your approach, which is rather flaw3ed.  You do not have to like him as a person to love the way he does this.

Love the way he does what? You guys think he’s some focking mastermind for using leverage in the most simple way possible

Here’s a tip: leverage is generally better when you don’t use it. When the threat of it is there, you can always implicitly rely on that. But once you actually use it, it’s gone, and then what? You’d sure as hell better get your bang for your buck on it

[RLLD 3,919]

4 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Love the way he does what? You guys think he’s some focking mastermind for using leverage in the most simple way possible

Here’s a tip: leverage is generally better when you don’t use it. When the threat of it is there, you can always implicitly rely on that. But once you actually use it, it’s gone, and then what? You’d sure as hell better get your bang for your buck on it

Of course he is masterful, he has already demonstrated that, this past election being the most recent example.   Denying this was actually rather helpful in helping him win, so thanks for allowing your personal issues to dictate your choices, you and yours were incredibly helpful.

Here is a tip, leverage works best when fear you could use it, when it isnt just bluster....like telling Russia "Dont.....dont...".   So we can see how actual bluster does not work, Ukraine is a gleaming example.

So I am delighted to see proper strategy back in use.

[lickin_starfish 1,752]

17 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Love the way he does what? You guys think he’s some focking mastermind for using leverage in the most simple way possible

Here’s a tip: leverage is generally better when you don’t use it. When the threat of it is there, you can always implicitly rely on that. But once you actually use it, it’s gone, and then what? You’d sure as hell better get your bang for your buck on it

I bet Mexico and Canada aren't as torqued up about this as you are. Your tantrum is hilarious.

[RLLD 3,919]

1 minute ago, lickin_starfish said:

I bet Mexico and Canada aren't as torqued up about this as you are. Your tantrum is hilarious.

This isn't actually about tariffs.....

[IGotWorms 3,956]

6 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

I bet Mexico and Canada aren't as torqued up about this as you are. Your tantrum is hilarious.

Torqued up about what? I’m saying it’s all bush league bullsh1t and laughing at you guys getting a hard on over it

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6 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Torqued up about what? I’m saying it’s all bush league bullsh1t and laughing at you guys getting a hard on over it

Link?

[thegeneral 2,458]

No one could ever counter such a masterful negotiation tactic!

[Mike Honcho 4,688]

2 hours ago, lickin_starfish said:

I'm just fuggin' with you as I drink my morning coffee. Thanks for your time.

Thank god. 

My head nearly exploded when you replied to the "euphemism" post with "Tariffs won't affect egg prices like you suggested."

[jerryskids 6,135]

9 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

If the subject matter weren’t so serious this thread would be hilarious. All of those opposed to the new tariffs have offered serious reasons why (inflation is only one of them; there are all sorts of negative ramifications for employment, industrial growth, the entire economy.) 

Meanwhile, on the other, pro-tariff side, this is what we get: 

You liberals are all idiots! 

You lost, sit down and shut up! 

Maybe they’ll use this to replace income tax . 

Oh, NOW you care about inflation! 

Fock Mexico! Fock China! 

Not one serious argument in defense of what Trump is proposing. The closest is the rather vague notion that this is grandstanding and Trump will get a “better deal”. What sort of better deal will we get from Mexico and Canada? No answer. 
 

The funniest thing is I know that many of you, if not most, don’t even like tariffs. Interference in the free market has never been, you know, exactly a conservative ideal. But once again “owning the libs” is really the only thing that matters for most of you. Your heads are all so far up Trump’s ass that you’ll support any idea he has, no matter how crazy or stupid, if it appears to “own the libs” even for a short time.  Your posts prove it. 

 

I have offered serious reasons; did you forget already?  The theoretical ideal free trade market presumes all parties have comparable cost structures, and that the end result is trade balance.  You may have noticed we have neither with China.  Hence, tariffs are a tool available to use to help balance things out.  It is why Trump put tariffs on China his first go round, and Biden left them in place (recently increased them in fact).

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/13/politics/china-tariffs-biden-trump/index.html

I don't recall you whining about any of Biden's tariff actions, or inactions.   

[Mike Honcho 4,688]

46 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Trump is not going to impose those tariffs on Mexico or Canada. He’ll claim he got them to do something about the border. It will probably be total bullsh1t but it doesn’t really matter, now does it?

Maybe he can call the President and Prime Minister like he did in his first term and beg them to say they are paying them, like he did with the President of Mexico and the border wall. 

[Mike Honcho 4,688]

42 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Are you stupid or something? Most people are saying they don’t think this will really happen

Disagree.  If I were a betting man, I would put money that he imposes a tariff hike in the first 72 hours. 

[MDC 6,705]

I’d love for Trump to actually impose these tariffs and deport 15 million illegals. I suspect prices would spike and it would crater the economy in the short term, but at least we’d get an actual demonstration of what he says he wants to do.

What I really think happen is we get a few small tariffs with no real punishment for US businesses that offshore and Trump instigates a series of conflicts with sanctuary cities over immigration. Then he grandstands a lot and MAGAs have their built in excuse when he leaves us with trillion dollar deficits year over year and basically none of his agenda enacted.

It’s all a lot of noise, nothing to see here folks. 

[lickin_starfish 1,752]

15 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

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Hahaha, you sonovabeech!

[The Real timschochet 5,170]

23 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I have offered serious reasons; did you forget already?  The theoretical ideal free trade market presumes all parties have comparable cost structures, and that the end result is trade balance.  You may have noticed we have neither with China.  Hence, tariffs are a tool available to use to help balance things out.  It is why Trump put tariffs on China his first go round, and Biden left them in place (recently increased them in fact).

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/13/politics/china-tariffs-biden-trump/index.html

I don't recall you whining about any of Biden's tariff actions, or inactions.   

Then you have a short memory. I complained heavily about Biden’s tariffs. They made things worse and contributed to inflation. They never work. 

I would argue that we benefit from free trade with China even if they have unfair trade practices. But putting that aside, please explain what we gain by tariffs on Canada and Mexico? 

[The Real timschochet 5,170]

2 hours ago, RLLD said:

Excellent use of tariffs to have an impact.  It will be rather easy for Mexico to step up and avoid these tariffs entirely, and I submit that they will do so.

Will it? Please explain in detail what Mexico needs to do to “step up and avoid these tariffs entirely”. 

[RLLD 3,919]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Will it? Please explain in detail what Mexico needs to do to “step up and avoid these tariffs entirely”. 

Address the migration crises.

[The Real timschochet 5,170]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Address the migration crises.

Thats a rather vague answer don’t you think? 

[The Real timschochet 5,170]

Mexico responds: 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/mexico-suggests-impose-tariffs-retaliate-trump-tariffs-116234357

They will retaliate with tariffs of their own. They are already helping us with the migrant issue. And our consumption of illegal drugs is an “American problem.” 

She also pointed out that Trump signed an agreement with Mexico prohibiting tariffs so he will be breaking his solemn word. 

[RLLD 3,919]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Thats a rather vague answer don’t you think? 

Well, I think he pulls back on the tariffs in exchange for Mexico actively impeding migration toward the US......that is my opinion.

[jerryskids 6,135]

11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Then you have a short memory. I complained heavily about Biden’s tariffs. They made things worse and contributed to inflation. They never work. 

I would argue that we benefit from free trade with China even if they have unfair trade practices. But putting that aside, please explain what we gain by tariffs on Canada and Mexico? 

I do not know the details of either our trade situations or the specifics of the proposed tariffs to provide an informed response.

[MDC 6,705]

Just now, jerryskids said:

I do not know the details of either our trade situations or the specifics of the proposed tariffs to provide an informed response.

When has that ever stopped a Geek?

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10 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Address the migration crises.

Do what exactly?

I thought trump was sealing the border thus ending any crisis?

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2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I do not know the details of either our trade situations or the specifics of the proposed tariffs to provide an informed response.

Finally a glimpse of honesty and self realization from you.  Appreciate it.

[RLLD 3,919]

3 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

Do what exactly?

I thought trump was sealing the border thus ending any crisis?

You do understand there is no silver bullet solution?  I mean, I have repeatedly posted the variety of actions needed to deal with the complex problem of illegal immigration......    that I might support tariffs as a leverage for dealing with a portion of the complex problem.....well, it is odd that you want to pretend its the only solution I guess

[The Real timschochet 5,170]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I do not know the details of either our trade situations or the specifics of the proposed tariffs to provide an informed response.

Fair enough. Having read a lot about this topic, I believe I do. And I think Trump is making a terrible mistake here for our country. 
 

But let me add that there is always the possibility that you and @RLLD are correct, that this will cause Mexico, Canada, and China to change policies to our benefit, that it will help with migrants and fentanyl, that Trump will declare victory and the tariffs won’t happen or will be quickly removed. I hope that is the case. I hope he turns out to be the brilliant master negotiator that RLLD is claiming. We’ll see. 

[The Real timschochet 5,170]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

You do understand there is no silver bullet solution?  I mean, I have repeatedly posted the variety of actions needed to deal with the complex problem of illegal immigration......    that I might support tariffs as a leverage for dealing with a portion of the complex problem.....well, it is odd that you want to pretend its the only solution I guess

Your statement that there is no “silver bullet solution” (which I agree with) contradicts your earlier assertion that Mexico can easily step up and avoid these tariffs entirely. 

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53 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

 If I were a betting man, I would put money that he imposes a tariff hike in the first 72 hours. 

GREAT!

[Alias Detective 1,306]

44 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’d love for Trump to actually deport 15 million illegals.

 

AGREE!

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Just now, Alias Detective said:

AGREE!

You gonna go pick those fruits and veggies and carve up all those cows and chickens? Mow your own lawn and clean your own house?  Congrats on your second job!

[Alias Detective 1,306]

1 minute ago, purdygood said:

You gonna go pick those fruits and veggies and carve up all those cows and chickens? Mow your own lawn and clean your own house?  Congrats on your second job!

Plenty of dead beats collecting welfare.  It's time they pay their "fair share" to the till.  Agree?