Biggest threat to America?

[jonmx 2,429]

On 1/5/2025 at 7:06 PM, The Real timschochet said:

As for the OP question: I honestly believe that the biggest threat to this country is that roughly half the nation now distrusts the mainstream media. This is about 20% the fault of the MSM, which has made mistakes, reported false news at times (rarely) and has tended to ignore reasonable conservative concerns. But it is 80% the fault of conservatives themselves who, especially in the Trump era, have used legitimate concerns with the MSM as an excuse to believe falsehoods and accept lies whenever it suits them. 

You are truly dumber than I thought.  The media you adore is nothing but a voice for the big government elitist deep state.  They have been spreading propaganda for decades convincing us to go into useless wars, illegally assassinating foreign leaders (and most certainly JFK/RFK/MLK), convincing us we need shutdowns, and constantly pushing expansion of government power.

Your stupid list shows how brainwashed you are.  What made America the greatest country on earth was it put the people's rights above the right of the elites.  We eliminated any concept of a king, emperor, dictator, or any elitist ruling body.   

To answer your question, the only real threat to the American values this country was founded on is the deep state.  The same bastards you bootlick for 24/7.   

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

It appears that most of @Cdub100’s most offensive anti-Semitic posts have been removed from this thread. This was not on my account. I did not report him nor request this. I would honestly prefer to have his garbage available for everyone to read so that they can decide for themselves what kind of merit his views have. 
 

Im sure that now he will regard himself as a victim of the Jewish conspiracy out to erase what he has to say…

[CaptainObvious1 368]

On 1/5/2025 at 7:06 PM, The Real timschochet said:

As for the OP question: I honestly believe that the biggest threat to this country is that roughly half the nation now distrusts the mainstream media. This is about 20% the fault of the MSM, which has made mistakes, reported false news at times (rarely) and has tended to ignore reasonable conservative concerns. But it is 80% the fault of conservatives themselves who, especially in the Trump era, have used legitimate concerns with the MSM as an excuse to believe falsehoods and accept lies whenever it suits them. 

So you learned nothing after your emotional rant following the election?

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

1 minute ago, CaptainObvious1 said:

So you learned nothing after your emotional rant following the election?

I’m glad you posted again as I have a question for you: @Cdub100 wrote that 109 countries around the world had rejected the Jews and questioned when I would learn “that lesson”. You predicted I wouldn’t learn it for another 40 years or so. Does this mean you share his anti-Semitic views? Just checking for my notes, Tia. 

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14 hours ago, jonmx said:

You are truly dumber than I thought.  The media you adore is nothing but a voice for the big government elitist deep state.  They have been spreading propaganda for decades convincing us to go into useless wars, illegally assassinating foreign leaders (and most certainly JFK/RFK/MLK), convincing us we need shutdowns, and constantly pushing expansion of government power.

Your stupid list shows how brainwashed you are.  What made America the greatest country on earth was it put the people's rights above the right of the elites.  We eliminated any concept of a king, emperor, dictator, or any elitist ruling body.   

To answer your question, the only real threat to the American values this country was founded on is the deep state.  The same bastards you bootlick for 24/7.   

You may be my new favorite poster. Keep up the good fight brotha

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

Just now, edjr said:

You may be my new favorite poster. Keep up the good fight brotha

lol he’s not new. Been repeating this stuff for years now. If you buy into it I feel sorry for you. 

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3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m glad you posted again as I have a question for you: @Cdub100 wrote that 109 countries around the world had rejected the Jews and questioned when I would learn “that lesson”. You predicted I wouldn’t learn it for another 40 years or so. Does this mean you share his anti-Semitic views? Just checking for my notes, Tia. 

WTF are you talking about?  I am talking about your main stream media rant when you realized they lied to you during election season.   I really don't care one bit about your Jew fights.

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7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

lol he’s not new. Been repeating this stuff for years now. If you buy into it I feel sorry for you. 

You're one of the few libs here I can stand. You are the one I feel sorry for. The fact that you gobble up what the mainstream media feeds you, is truly sad.  

There is 0 good mainstream media. 

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15 minutes ago, CaptainObvious1 said:

WTF are you talking about?  I am talking about your main stream media rant when you realized they lied to you during election season.   I really don't care one bit about your Jew fights.

Well then you should pay attention to the posts you respond to and appear to agree with. 

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

18 minutes ago, edjr said:

You're one of the few libs here I can stand. You are the one I feel sorry for. The fact that you gobble up what the mainstream media feeds you, is truly sad.  

There is 0 good mainstream media. 

You’re suggesting that I should regard 100% of what the MSM tells me as a lie? I assume that’s what you mean when you use the word zero. 

Let’s take a couple of recent, very pertinent examples: the mainstream media told me that Joe Biden won the 2020 election. Right wing news, and Donald Trump, said this didn’t happen. Who should I believe? 

The mainstream media told me that 4 years ago on Jan 6 a group of rioters stormed the U.S. Capitol and sought to overturn the election, hang Mike Pence, and attack and possibly kill congresspeople. The Right Wing media and Donald Trump said this didn’t happen, or that it was led by Antifa, or that it’s Nancy Pelosi’s fault, or that it was planned by the FBI, or that it was a peaceful non threatening day of love. (These appear to contradict each other but whatever.) Who should I believe? 

There are plenty more examples I could offer but are you suggesting that in these two cases I should reject the MSM? And if so who should I replace them with? 

[edjr 6,592]

17 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

In Pakistan a young girl was raped so the Sharia court decided that the proper punishment would be for the brother of the victim to public-ally rape the sister of the rapist.  

Not sure how I feel about this. 

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14 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well then you should pay attention to the posts you respond to and appear to agree with. 

I responded to your mainstream media comment, genius  You went a Jew rant again   Not me

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18 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re suggesting that I should regard 100% of what the MSM tells me as a lie? I assume that’s what you mean when you use the word zero. 

Let’s take a couple of recent, very pertinent examples: the mainstream media told me that Joe Biden won the 2020 election. Right wing news, and Donald Trump, said this didn’t happen. Who should I believe? 

The mainstream media told me that 4 years ago on Jan 6 a group of rioters stormed the U.S. Capitol and sought to overturn the election, hang Mike Pence, and attack and possibly kill congresspeople. The Right Wing media and Donald Trump said this didn’t happen, or that it was led by Antifa, or that it’s Nancy Pelosi’s fault, or that it was planned by the FBI, or that it was a peaceful non threatening day of love. (These appear to contradict each other but whatever.) Who should I believe? 

There are plenty more examples I could offer but are you suggesting that in these two cases I should reject the MSM? And if so who should I replace them with? 

The media companies have injected their biased opinions into news.  That is not what our news media should be doing.  We don't need to know their opinion and we don't need a political stance on what's happening.  Our news media should not lean left or right, it should only be reporting what is happing in the world.  We are the ones who are suppose to form our own opinions, not be told what to think.

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m glad you posted again as I have a question for you: @Cdub100 wrote that 109 countries around the world had rejected the Jews and questioned when I would learn “that lesson”. You predicted I wouldn’t learn it for another 40 years or so. Does this mean you share his anti-Semitic views? Just checking for my notes, Tia. 

as a Jew, I don't want other Jews around either

 

[edjr 6,592]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re suggesting that I should regard 100% of what the MSM tells me as a lie? I assume that’s what you mean when you use the word zero. 

Let’s take a couple of recent, very pertinent examples: the mainstream media told me that Joe Biden won the 2020 election. Right wing news, and Donald Trump, said this didn’t happen. Who should I believe? 

The mainstream media told me that 4 years ago on Jan 6 a group of rioters stormed the U.S. Capitol and sought to overturn the election, hang Mike Pence, and attack and possibly kill congresspeople. The Right Wing media and Donald Trump said this didn’t happen, or that it was led by Antifa, or that it’s Nancy Pelosi’s fault, or that it was planned by the FBI, or that it was a peaceful non threatening day of love. (These appear to contradict each other but whatever.) Who should I believe? 

There are plenty more examples I could offer but are you suggesting that in these two cases I should reject the MSM? And if so who should I replace them with? 

Great, you enjoy sifting through 80% of rubbish for anything actually factual. 

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

2 minutes ago, edjr said:

Great, you enjoy sifting through 80% of rubbish for anything actually factual. 

You didn’t exactly answer my questions. I brought up two stories in which there was a SIGNIFICANT difference of opinion from those who reject the MSM. Where do you stand? 

[edjr 6,592]

10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You didn’t exactly answer my questions. I brought up two stories in which there was a SIGNIFICANT difference of opinion from those who reject the MSM. Where do you stand? 

blind squirrel 

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That we may never get another season of Battlebots. 

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That women larger than a size 4 and older than 26 are allowed to wear yoga pants in public.

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1 hour ago, CaptainObvious1 said:

I responded to your mainstream media comment, genius  You went a Jew rant again   Not me

It a pathological condition. He cant even remember he made an entire thread about it just two months ago. Now he's right back to the same old chit. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Horseman said:

It a pathological condition. He cant even remember he made an entire thread about it just two months ago. Now he's right back to the same old chit. 

 

 

I told you guys when be got here he does this kind of sh*t.  And some people think he's reasonable because he acts like he learns something.  But a short time later it's like whatever he learned flies out the other side of his head.  It's like his head is an empty vessel.

[supermike80 1,911]

33 minutes ago, Strike said:

I told you guys when be got here he does this kind of sh*t.  And some people think he's reasonable because he acts like he learns something.  But a short time later it's like whatever he learned flies out the other side of his head.  It's like his head is an empty vessel.

Media manipulation is an extremely powerful thing.   It takes a strong mind to be able to see through it, challenge it, and understand that many times there is inherent bias in it.   Tim really doesn't have that kind of strength.   That's not a dig, it really isn't.   If he was the only one so easily influenced by the MSM I would say yes, but he is one of millions.  They know their audience and they play to those people.  

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

You didn’t exactly answer my questions. I brought up two stories in which there was a SIGNIFICANT difference of opinion from those who reject the MSM. Where do you stand? 

To me you are making the point of the Right.  

- We should be able to discuss questions about the election and Sleepy Joe's 81M votes without being shut down by the MSM and Big Tech with dehumanizing labels of "election denier$#@!".

- Similarly, we should be able to discuss Antifa and FBI participation, and in some cases lack thereof, in the events of 1/6, and how the 1/6 committee was a kangaroo court vs. a pursuit of truth.

- I'll add for Covid that we should be able to discuss the idiocy of restricting outdoor activities, and masking babies and parents of babies, and keeping schools closed long past any real concerns for danger to children, so that we could sacrifice those children for a teacher's union who had bought the authorities.

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4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

To me you are making the point of the Right.  

- We should be able to discuss questions about the election and Sleepy Joe's 81M votes without being shut down by the MSM and Big Tech with dehumanizing labels of "election denier$#@!".

When those concerns were universally shot down, where was the acknowledgment? Rhetorical question, of course, since it never happened. Half the guys around here still think it wasn't legit.

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2 minutes ago, Fnord said:

When those concerns were universally shot down, where was the acknowledgment? Rhetorical question, of course, since it never happened. Half the guys around here still think it wasn't legit.

I don't want to go too far down this sidetrack, but I'll say that IMO they weren't universally shot down.  I've described multiple times, as a systems expert, that if your system is not designed to catch fraud, you can't catch fraud.  And most of the trump lawsuits were dismissed on standing, not facts. Many of them also were based around recounts, which always struck me as a diving catch attempt.

Most likely, Biden won fair and square through a combo of the general public being sick of the 24/7 negative info from the MSM on Trump, and the negative impact of Covid including the intentional delay of the vax release by TDS forces. 

To fix an election here, you don't need to do widespread cheating, but rather surgical acts in close swing states.

I view it as "don't hate the player, hate the game."

In 2024, Republicans took steps to minimize a lot of the above system problems, and Trump won quite handily.  Is that the sole reason he won?  Probably not.  But it helped with the final count.

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5 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

lol he’s not new. Been repeating this stuff for years now. If you buy into it I feel sorry for you. 

Oh that is total BS.   My positions have evolved greatly over the last decade and certainly over the last 4 years. 

I used to just be cynical about the media and their agenda.   I had thought it was a difference of honest opinions on issues. 

But my eyes have been open and I know it is a pure evil effort to control the narrative to empower an elitist class to rule this country and abandon any remnants of the founding principles of this country where the citizens are kings.  The agenda and their tactics are crystal clear to anyone willing to open their eyes and think critically about the crap they pedal.   The swamp in DC is not just a threat to America, we have actually been under siege from unelected bureaucrats, their corporate minions and their elite masters for a long while now. 

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14 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I don't want to go too far down this sidetrack, but I'll say that IMO they weren't universally shot down.  I've described multiple times, as a systems expert, that if your system is not designed to catch fraud, you can't catch fraud.  And most of the trump lawsuits were dismissed on standing, not facts. Many of them also were based around recounts, which always struck me as a diving catch attempt.

Most likely, Biden won fair and square through a combo of the general public being sick of the 24/7 negative info from the MSM on Trump, and the negative impact of Covid including the intentional delay of the vax release by TDS forces. 

To fix an election here, you don't need to do widespread cheating, but rather surgical acts in close swing states.

I view it as "don't hate the player, hate the game."

In 2024, Republicans took steps to minimize a lot of the above system problems, and Trump won quite handily.  Is that the sole reason he won?  Probably not.  But it helped with the final count.

Trump won. There are a lot of reasons for that. I read an article earlier today about how basically a bunch of Biden voters didn't show up to vote like they did in 2020. That was probably more to do with Harris' myriad issues than a mandate for Trump. Notice there is no dispute about who won. It is accepted.

MAGA adherents have shown a striking propensity for believing what Trump and RWM say, while completely denouncing the so-called MSM and claiming legacy news outlets are all lying to us, every day, about everything. When shown to be incorrect about disputed facts, like the 2020 election, Trump and RWM simply double down on their messaging, truth be damned. Witness the Fox News settlement that cost Tucker his gig. There is never acknowledgment of being wrong about anything. In 2028 when Republicans get blown out, it will be another conspiracy, not simply reflecting on why the loss occurred.

Since Trump won again, I've engaged in some rethinking of my positions and acknowledge that I may be wrong about some of my opinions. I am open to change. The Democratic party is seemingly doing the same (not that anyone expects much to change). That no longer happens on the right side of the aisle. Just blind Trump support, even from those that claim to hate him, because the democrats are just so awful. I bet you didn't know this: 

In 2020, the 2,548 counties that voted for Trump accounted for 29 percent of gross domestic product, according to Brookings data. In 2024, after four years with Biden and Kamala Harris in office, the 2,553 counties that voted for Trump produced 38 percent of the gross domestic product.

That nine-point increase in the share of G.D.P. translates into $3.66 trillion worth of additional goods and services produced in Trump-voting counties, according to Brookings, an exceptional economic lift by any standard.

In addition, the share of national income going to the Trump counties grew to 43 percent from 34, and the share of private employment rose to 42 percent from 33, according to a separate data set supplied to The Times by Mark Muro, a senior fellow at Brookings.

 Biden drastically improved the economic outlook for Americans that voted against him. Anyone think Trump will return the favor, or even continue those policies? Another rhetorical question...

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1 minute ago, Fnord said:

Trump

Trump  

SAY IT 

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6 minutes ago, jonmx said:

My positions have evolved greatly over the last decade and certainly over the last 4 years. 

LOFL. All that's changed is you've become more angry, arrogant, and abrasive while being less inclined to believe anything that doesn't fit into the same narrative you've always had. 

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3 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Trump won. 

Yes he did. 

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Just now, Fnord said:

LOFL. All that's changed is you've become more angry, arrogant, and abrasive while being less inclined to believe anything that doesn't fit into the same narrative you've always had. 

The only thing I have been less inclined is to believe the bullcrap which fills your retarded brain.  There is zero hope someone as stupid as you will ever wake up to the truth which is right in front of us.   

[Fnord 2,272]

7 minutes ago, jonmx said:

The only thing I have been less inclined is to believe the bullcrap which fills your retarded brain.  There is zero hope someone as stupid as you will ever wake up to the truth which is right in front of us.   

Thanks for proving my point.

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

3 hours ago, supermike80 said:

Media manipulation is an extremely powerful thing.   It takes a strong mind to be able to see through it, challenge it, and understand that many times there is inherent bias in it.   Tim really doesn't have that kind of strength.   That's not a dig, it really isn't.   If he was the only one so easily influenced by the MSM I would say yes, but he is one of millions.  They know their audience and they play to those people.  

Ah I get it now. It’s not a question of accuracy; I simply don’t have the inner strength to question the media. Good to know. 

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

To me you are making the point of the Right.  

- We should be able to discuss questions about the election and Sleepy Joe's 81M votes without being shut down by the MSM and Big Tech with dehumanizing labels of "election denier$#@!".

- Similarly, we should be able to discuss Antifa and FBI participation, and in some cases lack thereof, in the events of 1/6, and how the 1/6 committee was a kangaroo court vs. a pursuit of truth.

- I'll add for Covid that we should be able to discuss the idiocy of restricting outdoor activities, and masking babies and parents of babies, and keeping schools closed long past any real concerns for danger to children, so that we could sacrifice those children for a teacher's union who had bought the authorities.

I don’t think it’s reasonable to question the outcome of the 2020 election. I don’t think it’s reasonable to speculate on the supposed involvement of Antifa and the FBI in the Jan 6 riot. In both cases many conservatives rejected the truthful MSM reporting and chose to believe in pure fabrications. Some continue to do so. To me this is evidence of the danger of not having news sources that are generally accepted by most people. Which is why I raised them as examples. 

I didn’t raise Covid because that’s a more complex subject and the reporting from the MSM was nowhere as firm as you are implying. I do think that in that case it’s perfectly reasonable to question government actions and restrictions and directions given, especially because they were often contradictory. I don’t believe the MSM did a poor job in reporting different points of view. 

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49 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Thanks for proving my point.

Thanks for proving mine.   I really have no use for you brainwashed POS until you remove yourself from thee cult.   

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32 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t think it’s reasonable to question the outcome of the 2020 election. I don’t think it’s reasonable to speculate on the supposed involvement of Antifa and the FBI in the Jan 6 riot. In both cases many conservatives rejected the truthful MSM reporting and chose to believe in pure fabrications. Some continue to do so. To me this is evidence of the danger of not having news sources that are generally accepted by most people. Which is why I raised them as examples. 

 

Orwellian speak.   It is pathetic what the so-called left has become.  Fuking bootlickers for censorship.   90 percent of what you think is absolutely the truth, just isn't. 

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7 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Thanks for proving mine.   I really have no use for you brainwashed POS until you remove yourself from thee cult.   

You’re so mad, it’s silly.  

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Ah I get it now. It’s not a question of accuracy; I simply don’t have the inner strength to question the media. Good to know. 

Not strength, intelligence

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22 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Not strength, intelligence

Well you wrote strength earlier. But now I’m too stupid? Which is it? 

[jerryskids 6,799]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t think it’s reasonable to question the outcome of the 2020 election. I don’t think it’s reasonable to speculate on the supposed involvement of Antifa and the FBI in the Jan 6 riot. In both cases many conservatives rejected the truthful MSM reporting and chose to believe in pure fabrications. Some continue to do so. To me this is evidence of the danger of not having news sources that are generally accepted by most people. Which is why I raised them as examples. 

I didn’t raise Covid because that’s a more complex subject and the reporting from the MSM was nowhere as firm as you are implying. I do think that in that case it’s perfectly reasonable to question government actions and restrictions and directions given, especially because they were often contradictory. I don’t believe the MSM did a poor job in reporting different points of view. 

Sorry, but so much wrong here.  I think it can be summarized with "rejected the truthful MSM reporting and chose to believe in pure fabrications."  That, to paraphrase @jonmx, is the stuff of bootlickers.

I think where you are incorrect is in conflating your opinions with fact.  It is absolutely reasonable to speculate on the supposed involvement of Antifa and the FBI in the Jan 6 riot.  That doesn't mean it happened, it means it is fair to speculate.  The MSM's response is to call people insurrectionists and other dehumanizing labels.  Sorry, but I don't find that compelling.  The Jan 6 Committee was an embarrassing joke that wouldn't know an objective investigation if it said hello and slapped them in the face. 

There IS a deep state, the MSM either is complicit or is gaslit by them, and in either case they gaslight and strongarm people into following their message.