Welfare

[Baker Boy 1,688]

44 minutes ago, peenie said:

People who don’t want children and make efforts, such as birth control and abstinence, aren’t having children. The only people who are having children that don’t want them and can’t afford them are people who had unplanned pregnancies. The only way to get rid of an unplanned or unwanted pregnancy is through abortion. 

Abortion is the leading cause of death among black Americans.
 

[Engorgeous George 2,131]

3 hours ago, peenie said:

Welfare is a cash benefit, it’s cash. Food stamps are to buy food only. You can’t use food stamps to buy toothpaste, sanitary napkins, soap or greeting cards. So a person on welfare, when they go to the grocery store, they use their food stamps to buy the food portion of their grocery bill and the non food items will be paid for with their welfare benefits (cash). 
So way back when I received welfare and food stamps, they didn’t have a card (which made it shameful to have to use food stamps-a card gives you a bit of dignity because no one can really see that you’re poor) I had to pay the food part with my food stamps and the stuff like diapers and laundry detergent with my welfare cash benefit. (Years ago you’d have to cash your welfare check at check cashing place. Now the money is on the card.)

Only scammers get rich from welfare/food stamps: Mormoms fall under that category.

A card does not confer dignity.  A work ethic and personal achievement give one dignity if one appreciates their worth and does not lord them over the less fortunate but instead allows one a moments pause to still find value in the less fortunate.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,833]

 

[squistion 1,952]

1 hour ago, Baker Boy said:

Abortion is the leading cause of death among black Americans.

False.

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

1 hour ago, Baker Boy said:

Abortion is the leading cause of death among black Americans.
 

It's that and killings 

[TheNewGirl 1,347]

4 hours ago, peenie said:

Only scammers get rich from welfare/food stamps: Mormoms fall under that category.

Well, this is rather judgmental. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

4 hours ago, peenie said:

Only scammers get rich from welfare/food stamps: Mormoms fall under that category.

EBT Cards get traded for some very bad stuff 

[TBayXXXVII 2,483]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

How much infrastructure would it require to vet potential recipients of these services to ensure little or no fraud was occurring? How much more would we spend on that infrastructure than the fraud itself costs? How much would MAGA complain about big government making decisions to screw the hardworking Americans if we did that? Kinda weird.

It's actually not that hard and would end up saving money... or at worst, break even to where money isn't being flushed down the drain.  The net result would be the ability to get people who actually NEED the help will get it easier and faster, plus maybe even more.  The solution is actually pretty simple, for NJ anyway as I don't know how other states handle welfare.  Do you know that vehicle registration isn't a part of the process to qualify for welfare?  Neither is car insurance.  In NJ, when you buy a vehicle (or change insurance carrier), everyone in their household who is a licensed driver needs to be on your insurance.  No, you don't have to pay for them, but your insurance carrier needs to know who those people's insurance carrier is.  So when my son was living with me and he got his own car insurance, I needed to tell my insurance company who he was insured by.  If people filing for welfare needed to put their vehicle information forms to qualify for welfare, it opens up the avenue to the DMV, the county (where you file for welfare), the state, and the insurance companies to make sure all of the information checks out.  So, when your information is being processed, a part of that would be a vehicle check.  When these people by an $80k Escalade and register it, it should get flagged by the computer at the county's Human Services department that a welfare recipient just registered an $80k vehicle.  In your estimation, how much effort was spent by the government on that process?

[Nomad99 699]

10 hours ago, peenie said:

If you get $145/mo for food stamps for you and your child, do you think a person would buy an expensive cut of steak? They would be greatly limiting their ability to buy food for the rest of the month. Even if they did make that choice, isn’t it clear that they made some severe sacrifices in other areas to afford that luxury?

Why are you jealous of people who get food stamps? Over the years this is a constant complaint from you all. Once someone complained that they saw a shopper buying crab legs with food stamps. Mind your business! You have no idea what you’re seeing. 

Maybe the person eats beans and tortillas all month to be able to splurge on 1 order of $5 crab legs for 1 day. Geesh. How miserable do you all have to be with your good salary to look at a poor person and judge them. 

I am now convinced that you are just completely out of touch with reality. Mind your business? You have no idea what you are seeing? Are you telling me that I'm not seeing TWO carts FULL of top quality steak, lobster, every brand name snack item under the sun, THE BEST FRUITS & VEGETABLES,  BEER....paid for by EBT.......with the overage paid in CASH from a wad of bills that would make a wall street bully blush......handed out by a ....ahem...."gentleman" wearing $500 sneakers, enough gold chain to anchor the Titanic & a baby momma with enough Coach to warrant a Parisian penthouse????? YOU ARE EITHER A LIAR OR A MORON. EITHER WAY, PLEASE STFU......I live this scenario EVERY TIME I SET FOOT IN THE GROCERY STORE.....fock off with your bullcrap......you should be ashamed for pimping your crap.

[Fnord 2,051]

16 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

It's actually not that hard and would end up saving money... or at worst, break even to where money isn't being flushed down the drain.  The net result would be the ability to get people who actually NEED the help will get it easier and faster, plus maybe even more.  The solution is actually pretty simple, for NJ anyway as I don't know how other states handle welfare.  Do you know that vehicle registration isn't a part of the process to qualify for welfare?  Neither is car insurance.  In NJ, when you buy a vehicle (or change insurance carrier), everyone in their household who is a licensed driver needs to be on your insurance.  No, you don't have to pay for them, but your insurance carrier needs to know who those people's insurance carrier is.  So when my son was living with me and he got his own car insurance, I needed to tell my insurance company who he was insured by.  If people filing for welfare needed to put their vehicle information forms to qualify for welfare, it opens up the avenue to the DMV, the county (where you file for welfare), the state, and the insurance companies to make sure all of the information checks out.  So, when your information is being processed, a part of that would be a vehicle check.  When these people by an $80k Escalade and register it, it should get flagged by the computer at the county's Human Services department that a welfare recipient just registered an $80k vehicle.  In your estimation, how much effort was spent by the government on that process?

Interesting thoughts. I am not real familiar with the vetting process, but what would you propose for those that do not have a car, or at least don't have one registered?

[TBayXXXVII 2,483]

8 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Interesting thoughts. I am not real familiar with the vetting process, but what would you propose for those that do not have a car, or at least don't have one registered?

If they don't have a car then I obviously wouldn't care about them driving around in an $80k Escalade, would I? 

They wouldn't need to have one, just one (or more), needs to be registered to their address.  Let's say there's two people "dating".  We know they're married, just not going through the formal process in order to make it easier to qualify for government assistance (another thing that should be removed, as it incentivizes single motherhood).  The person receiving benefits has no car registered... fine, no issue.   But the other person who lives there, has a luxury vehicle has said vehicle registered to that very address.  Well, that implies that the household income is a lot higher than what they're claiming.  When you fill out the forms for government assistance, "household income" is on there... not just personal income.  This is a red flag that the computer kicks out.  These instances can be investigated when they pop up.  No one needs to go to every household receiving benefits to do an arbitrary audit.

[peenie 1,905]

On 1/7/2025 at 4:56 PM, Engorgeous George said:

A card does not confer dignity.  A work ethic and personal achievement give one dignity if one appreciates their worth and does not lord them over the less fortunate but instead allows one a moments pause to still find value in the less fortunate.

You just said there yourself that work gives you dignity, right? Having to pull out food stamps, which is charity for people who are currently unemployed or underemployed, makes people feel ashamed. The card allows them to blend in with others who are using a credit card to buy food. Surely, you can understand my point. 

[peenie 1,905]

On 1/7/2025 at 6:32 PM, Nomad99 said:

I am now convinced that you are just completely out of touch with reality. Mind your business? You have no idea what you are seeing? Are you telling me that I'm not seeing TWO carts FULL of top quality steak, lobster, every brand name snack item under the sun, THE BEST FRUITS & VEGETABLES,  BEER....paid for by EBT.......with the overage paid in CASH from a wad of bills that would make a wall street bully blush......handed out by a ....ahem...."gentleman" wearing $500 sneakers, enough gold chain to anchor the Titanic & a baby momma with enough Coach to warrant a Parisian penthouse????? YOU ARE EITHER A LIAR OR A MORON. EITHER WAY, PLEASE STFU......I live this scenario EVERY TIME I SET FOOT IN THE GROCERY STORE.....fock off with your bullcrap......you should be ashamed for pimping your crap.

As I’ve stated earlier trust you are likely seeing a scammer, not a real poor person. Instead of seeing a criminal abusing the system you blame tire poor who need those very food stamps or you blame the system. See the difference??? The government does not give out food stamps in large quantities to allow anyone to buy food like that unless there is a lie or a scam. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

3 minutes ago, peenie said:

Having to pull out food stamps, which is charity for people who are currently unemployed or underemployed, makes people feel ashamed. 

100% incorrect. 

There's a segment of the population that abuse the system and don't work because they don't need to. 

Look no farther than the inner cities or deep South. Nobody works, they're all on food stamps or Government support. I'm talking perfectly healthy working age people. 

NORMAL PEOPLE are ashamed to be on welfare. But if you've been born into it and received it your whole life then you know nothing else. And that's not my problem 

[peenie 1,905]

The average mother and child receives $372/month in food stamps. 
How much do you spend a month on groceries? 

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

8 minutes ago, peenie said:

The average mother and child receives $372/month in food stamps. 
How much do you spend a month on groceries? 

What's your point? 

[peenie 1,905]

4 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

What's your point? 

No one is getting rich off a food stamps. Have you ever even been to a grocery store in a poor neighborhood? They barely have a good cut of steak. I never even saw good cuts of meat until I moved to Georgia. They don’t offer things like lobster and premium cuts of meat in poor neighborhoods.

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

1 minute ago, peenie said:

No one is getting rich off a food stamps

I don't believe I said that anyone was. I just said that there are many who don't need it and are abusing the system. 

My statement is factual, not opinion 

[peenie 1,905]

2 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I don't believe I said that anyone was. I just said that there are many who don't need it and are abusing the system. 

My statement is factual, not opinion 

I think most people need it but yes, some are lazy-asses. They also need it so they’re not breaking in houses stealing or begging for money.

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

Just now, peenie said:

They also need it so they’re not breaking in houses stealing or begging for money.

Or maybe get a job like every other good American? 

[Engorgeous George 2,131]

2 hours ago, peenie said:

You just said there yourself that work gives you dignity, right? Having to pull out food stamps, which is charity for people who are currently unemployed or underemployed, makes people feel ashamed. The card allows them to blend in with others who are using a credit card to buy food. Surely, you can understand my point. 

I understand your point.  My point is I don't give a royal sh1t if folks living off of the fruits of my labor are feeling a bit sheepish about so doing.  I hope that they do not get comfortable being on the dole.  I hope their discomfort motivates them.  Time to stop worrying about their feelings.  I worry about my feelings and my finances.  When dems turned the safety net into a safety nest where those birds never leave they lost me.  I will not allow my impulse towards empathy and compassion be turned into a bludgeom with which the compassionless indolent and their advocates beat me to death.

[Engorgeous George 2,131]

1 hour ago, peenie said:

I think most people need it but yes, some are lazy-asses. They also need it so they’re not breaking in houses stealing or begging for money.

Let them try breaking into my house and see how that goes for them.

[jbycho 592]

3 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Or maybe get a job like every other good American? 

Or maybe bring in more illegals to keep them company on the streets and teach them how to sell illegal drugs to high schoolers. 

[lickin_starfish 1,893]

3 hours ago, peenie said:

I think most people need it but yes, some are lazy-asses. They also need it so they’re not breaking in houses stealing or begging for money.

The Government stealing my money to give to the non workers is no better than the welfies doing it directly. Theft is theft.

[Nomad99 699]

5 hours ago, peenie said:

As I’ve stated earlier trust you are likely seeing a scammer, not a real poor person. Instead of seeing a criminal abusing the system you blame tire poor who need those very food stamps or you blame the system. See the difference??? The government does not give out food stamps in large quantities to allow anyone to buy food like that unless there is a lie or a scam. 

I'll  tell you what I'm seeing.......THE ROT IN THE SYSTEM. FREQUENCY........look that word up. I don't live at the worldwide nexus of graft & abuse........but the FREQUENCY in which I PHYSICALLY OBSERVE  this behavior is a CLEAR INDICATOR that the abuse is well in excess of the occasional scammer. It's far more widespread than you are willing to admit......the whole time KNOWING. You want to talk about a scam? KNOWING it's happening, MINIMIZING the impact & LYING about it. I said it before...YOU should be ashamed for selling your snake oil. This behavior has become a societal norm to people with no pride, drive or moral compass. The impact is real & you are suspect for trying to minimize it. 

[peenie 1,905]

I lived in an extremely poor urban area where many people received food stamps and I can tell you that I rarely saw anyone abusing or scamming. The worst thing I witnessed was people selling their food stamps for cash. Meaning, they would give $20 of food stamps for $10 cash. 
Look, I received food stamps and welfare and I didn’t stay on it for long. I got a job and my child grew up and got a great education and got married. We are all successful. We even help support our family members who are struggling. The system works. Stop complaining and be grateful our wonderful country that has safety nets for its citizens. 

[lickin_starfish 1,893]

The skank at 5:30 is what people get pissed off about. She spits a metastasizing cancer out of her crotch, one after another, and then teaches them to keep spreading the cancer.

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

6 hours ago, lickin_starfish said:

The skank at 5:30 is what people get pissed off about. She spits a metastasizing cancer out of her crotch, one after another, and then teaches them to keep spreading the cancer.

@peenie sees no problem in the neighborhood. 

[peenie 1,905]

I watched that entire video, did you guys actually watch the whole thing? 

So….I received welfare and food stamps in the early 90’s. You couldn’t own a car, you couldn’t have any assets like a savings or CD account because that is money. I can’t relate to any of these modern people being proud of getting food stamps and bragging about having many children and living off of government assistance. I wonder if some of these people are just making it up for views and trying to go viral? 

[Alias Detective 1,389]

9 hours ago, peenie said:

I watched that entire video, did you guys actually watch the whole thing? 

So….I received welfare and food stamps in the early 90’s. You couldn’t own a car, you couldn’t have any assets like a savings or CD account because that is money. I can’t relate to any of these modern people being proud of getting food stamps and bragging about having many children and living off of government assistance. I wonder if some of these people are just making it up for views and trying to go viral? 

Viral for being a leach?  It takes a special breed to be proud of that accomplishment.

[Engorgeous George 2,131]

11 hours ago, peenie said:

I watched that entire video, did you guys actually watch the whole thing? 

So….I received welfare and food stamps in the early 90’s. You couldn’t own a car, you couldn’t have any assets like a savings or CD account because that is money. I can’t relate to any of these modern people being proud of getting food stamps and bragging about having many children and living off of government assistance. I wonder if some of these people are just making it up for views and trying to go viral? 

Trying to go viral?  A modern problem?  The concept of the welfare queen is not a new one.  You could google it.  Let us know when you get to Reagan and to Linda Taylor.

[listen2me 23 1,825]

11 hours ago, peenie said:

I watched that entire video, did you guys actually watch the whole thing? 

So….I received welfare and food stamps in the early 90’s. You couldn’t own a car, you couldn’t have any assets like a savings or CD account because that is money. I can’t relate to any of these modern people being proud of getting food stamps and bragging about having many children and living off of government assistance. I wonder if some of these people are just making it up for views and trying to go viral? 

Times change

[cmh6476 1,010]

SNAP choice isn't just a preference for those receiving benefits or social service orgs fighting for options.   You're also up against corporate America including retailers and food manufacturers and producers. 

[cmh6476 1,010]

Who gave my posty crazy eyes? You think I'm wrong? You think Walmart and Pepsico want to limit options on SNAP purchases? That's the lobby you are up against. 

[cmh6476 1,010]

Now all my pop-ups on here are Walmart ads

[easilyscan 863]

On 1/10/2025 at 11:03 AM, lickin_starfish said:

The skank at 5:30 is what people get pissed off about. She spits a metastasizing cancer out of her crotch, one after another, and then teaches them to keep spreading the cancer.

That reminds me of something I scanned from a local paper back in 2008. Obese single mother of 10!

https://www.imagebam.com/view/MEYWLM8

[BiPolarBear 483]

On 1/6/2025 at 6:12 PM, weepaws said:

Everyone should be able to afford food   

Quote the Bible or it is not you. 

[easilyscan 863]

17 hours ago, peenie said:

I watched that entire video, did you guys actually watch the whole thing? 

So….I received welfare and food stamps in the early 90’s. You couldn’t own a car, you couldn’t have any assets like a savings or CD account because that is money. I can’t relate to any of these modern people being proud of getting food stamps and bragging about having many children and living off of government assistance. I wonder if some of these people are just making it up for views and trying to go viral? 

I doubt those people in question are making it up for views, but in this day & age, I suppose anything is possible ? They certainly fit the stereotype & know how to talk the ebonic talk. 

https://www.imagebam.com/view/MEYWLM8

I'm fairly certain that the vast majority of people at this forum who are relatively well off, have no problem helping those in need for the greater good. Unfortunately, those in need are growing substantially every year. Another problem is that it doesn't just end with welfare & food stamps. They most likely reside in subsidized low income/affordable housing. They most likely get back a refund from the federal government every year, in excess of any federal income taxes they paid. Shrinking tax base.  

Was @ a bar a couple years ago. About 10 of us were there. One of the guys said he was "shacking up" with a woman who was already on all types of government assistance. He went on to say that she worked part time at UPS, & was offered a full-time position. Someone asked him if she took it ? "hell no, we'd lose too many bennies" one of the guys at the table blew up and said he should be turned in. I felt the same way, just didn't have the guts to say it. The guy and the woman he was shacked up with were both white. Only pointing that out to show that it's not just people of color taking advantage of the system. 

As long as people hear/see about cases like that, those that are in a position that they need help through no fault of their own, are going to be looked down upon by many.

 

My theory is simple: There's too many people in our country for the economy that exists today to support. All kinds of jobs out there, but let's face it, the vast majority of them don't pay well enough for a person or family to support themselves what with the price of housing, rent, health insurance, homeowners insurance, food, etc. Have no way to substantiate the following, but I read an article that pointed out some startling statistics. I only copied the text & didn't include the date or the author. I would guess the article was around 2015.

People talk about bubbles, but the real bubble is the entire global economy. Today, a staggering 18 children are born for every 1 job created. 
In 1980 that figure was only 3 to 1. So not only are jobs becoming more scarce, another problem is lack of savings. I honestly don't think people grasp the magnitude of problems the "new one world" economy has produced.

If that wasn't bad enough, during that time, 10's of millions of poor non-English-speaking people have been allowed to enter the country.

I don't know what the answer is, but I have a feeling it's going to end badly.