LA Wildfires, 100K people evacuated and counting

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,018]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. If a black person does something incompetent and you criticize him or her it’s perfectly OK to do so. 
 

2. If a black person does something incompetent and your response is “DEI hire” you’re engaging in racism. You may think you’re simply attacking a political idea (the promotion of racial diversity in society)  but you’re not. You’re making a collective judgment about competency based on skin color. It’s hateful and bigoted. 

#2 is what you get when you push DEI over competency, qualifications and merit.  Unfortunately for you, you guys didn't think this thru.  YOU put the target on <insert liberal minority/victim of the day here>.  You put the question marks around <insert liberal minority/victim of the day here>.

That's on YOU, not anyone else.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,240]

I always read someone’s bio before I proclaim them a DEI hire. Karen Bass is a DEI hire. If a white man had the same resume as her he wouldn’t even run in California. 

[TrailGuy 554]

5 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Link?

https://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/topic/524973-la-wildfires-100k-people-evacuated-and-counting/?do=findComment&comment=7651211

[TrailGuy 554]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I always read someone’s bio before I proclaim them a DEI hire. Karen Bass is a DEI hire. If a white man had the same resume as her he wouldn’t even run in California. 

Karen Bass is an elected official.  She was not hired to be mayor of LA

Grab your metal helmet boyo

[Cdub100 3,884]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

#2 is what you get when you push DEI over competency, qualifications and merit.  Unfortunately for you, you guys didn't think this thru.  That's on YOU, not anyone else.

Unfortunately, it is on us because we must suffer the consequences of these terrible policies. I wish we could just ignore it but it's gotten to the point where they have infected far too many very important positions.

Diversity is our strength. 

[The Real timschochet 6,596]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

#2 is what you get when you push DEI over competency, qualifications and merit.  Unfortunately for you, you guys didn't think this thru.  That's on YOU, not anyone else.

What you’re saying is that the existence of affirmative action and DEI can help to promote racist assumptions and attitudes. I don’t necessarily disagree with you. But that doesn’t make these assumptions or attitudes any less racist or ugly. “That is what you get” is an unacceptable response; there is no excuse ever for racism. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,018]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

What you’re saying is that the existence of affirmative action and DEI can help to promote racist assumptions and attitudes. I don’t necessarily disagree with you. But that doesn’t make these assumptions or attitudes any less racist or ugly. “That is what you get” is an unacceptable response; there is no excuse ever for racism. 

DEI and Affirmative Action is racism itself, cut and dried.  All you did was turn the tables.

[Alias Detective 1,393]

5 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

https://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/topic/524973-la-wildfires-100k-people-evacuated-and-counting/?do=findComment&comment=7651211

You are an accomplice in this too.  Like the Mayor, blame someone or something else.  
 

Link to your assertion more water would not have helped?  Put up or shut up P-nut. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,018]

4 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Unfortunately, it is on us because we must suffer the consequences of these terrible policies. I wish we could just ignore it but it's gotten to the point where they have infected far too many very important positions.

Diversity is our strength. 

Oh, I agree.  EVERYONE suffers under DEI and Affirmative Action, but it's not conservatives who are pushing this.  Their is only ONE side of the aisle that is responsible for this.

[Maximum Overkill 1,900]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

What you’re saying is that the existence of affirmative action and DEI can help to promote racist assumptions and attitudes. I don’t necessarily disagree with you. But that doesn’t make these assumptions or attitudes any less racist or ugly. “That is what you get” is an unacceptable response; there is no excuse ever for racism. 

Do you see the problem when you give jobs based solely on race or gender? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,240]

Just now, Maximum Overkill said:

Do you see the problem when you give jobs based solely on race or gender? 

Democrat voters do it all the time. Look at Kamala. The ultimate DEI hire. 

[The Real timschochet 6,596]

As to whether or not the lack of water in some of the reservoirs led to a worse situation, it’s an open debate. Some experts say yes, others argue that it didn’t really make a difference. I’ve no idea but common sense tells me that access to more water would have been a plus. How much of one, who knows? 
 

I expect competency in my public officials and it appears I didn’t get it. My difference with some of the folks here is that I don’t blame that on political ideology or racial diversity. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,240]

The Democrat brand on display. 

[The Real timschochet 6,596]

5 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

DEI and Affirmative Action is racism itself, cut and dried.  All you did was turn the tables.

We’ve had this debate before and I don’t agree with you. I am not in favor of most DEI programs (because I question their effectiveness) but they’re not racist. And I believe the promotion of racial diversity in our society is a laudable goal which has nothing to do with competency. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,018]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

We’ve had this debate before and I don’t agree with you. I am not in favor of most DEI programs (because I question their effectiveness) but they’re not racist. And I believe the promotion of racial diversity in our society is a laudable goal which has nothing to do with competency. 

Sure, you can disagree.  You're wrong of course, but you're entitled to your opinion. 

[Fireballer 2,641]

9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

 And I believe the promotion of racial diversity in our society is a laudable goal which has nothing to do with competency. 

Should women and gays be afforded the same treatment?

[The Real timschochet 6,596]

I’m seeing a link between the discussion surrounding this crisis, and the debates we’ve had in the past about Covid, the attempted Trump assassination, gun control, even immigration: the assumption that human beings have more control over events than we actually do. This assumption makes it easier to attack and lay blame. 

I believe in the opposite- a lot of what occurs, both good and bad, is sheer luck. Incompetence and laziness are everywhere. When things go wrong it’s usually because somebody screwed up unintentionally; it’s rarely deliberate. What makes it SEEM deliberate, after the fact, is that a lot of folks who behaved incompetently spend a lot of time trying to cover their asses.

There   are no shadowy forces controlling human events; most things that happen are random. In some ways that’s scarier. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,900]

16 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Democrat voters do it all the time. Look at Kamala. The ultimate DEI hire. 

And then they'll say we're racist bigots for not voting for a Black Woman, SOLELY BECAUSE SHE'S A BLACK WOMAN! 

WTH IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE? 

@The Real timschochet@thegeneral@peenie

[The Real timschochet 6,596]

2 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Should women and gays be afforded the same treatment?

I don’t understand your question. Are you asking should they be afforded respect and dignity and equal treatment in society? Of course. 

[DonS 3,292]

@The Real timschochet what was the margin of victory in the mayoral election between Bass and the guy you preferred? 

Would be interesting to see the breakdown by voting district / neighborhood to see if those impacted by spending priorities did indeed bring this upon themselves. 

[The Real timschochet 6,596]

1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

And then they'll say we're racist bigots for not voting for a Black Woman, SOLELY BECAUSE SHE'S A BLACK WOMAN! 

WTH IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE? 

@The Real timschochet@thegeneral@peenie

I would never say that. You’re inventing things. 

[HellToupee 1,698]

The cultists love DEI almost as much as abortion 

[The Real timschochet 6,596]

1 minute ago, DonS said:

@The Real timschochet what was the margin of victory in the mayoral election between Bass and the guy you preferred? 

Would be interesting to see the breakdown by voting district / neighborhood to see if those impacted by spending priorities did indeed bring this upon themselves. 

I have no idea but I disagree with your premise. Millions of people voted for Donald Trump because they want inflation under control. I warned everyone I knew that if Trump was elected inflation would increase (due to the tarrifs). If I turn out to be right about that it doesn’t mean that the folks who voted for Trump “brought this upon themselves”; that wasn’t their intent. 

[HellToupee 1,698]

Nero blamed the christians 

[TrailGuy 554]

32 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

You are an accomplice in this too.  Like the Mayor, blame someone or something else.  
 

Link to your assertion more water would not have helped?  Put up or shut up P-nut. 

I'm not blaming anyone boyo.  Fires are still burning.  Americans are hurting and fighting.  There will be plenty of time to assign any blame on this catastrophe.

I already linked to the quote that says this reservoir wouldn't have averted disaster.  Please read it 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,240]

Yeah, I can’t see how a reservoir full of water could possibly help. Never the less, Newsome is going to get to the bottom of it. For some reason 

[MDC 7,275]

This guy spent his entire Fridays night begging for negative attention again. Can one of you guys keep Problem Child occupied tonight? He needs a playmate.

[thegeneral 3,103]

21 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

And then they'll say we're racist bigots for not voting for a Black Woman, SOLELY BECAUSE SHE'S A BLACK WOMAN! 

WTH IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE? 

@The Real timschochet@thegeneral@peenie

My issue is with shitheads getting all giddy about this fire. Losers and incels. 

[DonS 3,292]

17 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I have no idea but I disagree with your premise. Millions of people voted for Donald Trump because they want inflation under control. I warned everyone I knew that if Trump was elected inflation would increase (due to the tarrifs). If I turn out to be right about that it doesn’t mean that the folks who voted for Trump “brought this upon themselves”; that wasn’t their intent. 

Found a map.  Seems like the areas most impacted by the fires leaned toward Caruso.

https://www.latimes.com/projects/2022-california-election-neighborhood-vote-los-angeles-mayor/

Your "intent" statement is meaningless.  If you are right that voting for Trump directly results in higher inflation then they did bring it upon themselves by voting for the candidate whose policies results in the opposite result of what they wanted. 

[The Real timschochet 6,596]

3 minutes ago, DonS said:

Found a map.  Seems like the areas most impacted by the fires leaned toward Caruso.

https://www.latimes.com/projects/2022-california-election-neighborhood-vote-los-angeles-mayor/

Your "intent" statement is meaningless.  If you are right that voting for Trump directly results in higher inflation then they did bring it upon themselves by voting for the candidate whose policies results in the opposite result of what they wanted. 

No. Intent is decisive. I don’t blame anyone for being wrong, or making mistakes. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,240]

“In every disaster throughout American history, there always seems to be a man from Harvard in the middle of it” - Thomas Sowell.  

[TrailGuy 554]

19 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

My issue is with shitheads getting all giddy about this fire. Losers and incels. 

What have we seen from the maga crew?

Let's blame DEI, liberal policies, LGBTQ, transgenders, solar energy and yes, they found a way to blame Ukraine.

Anytime there is a catastrophe, it's always the same thing.

A meteor could strike earth today and these clowns will find a way to blame DEI, tranny's and Ukraine

[Baker Boy 1,694]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. If a black person does something incompetent and you criticize him or her it’s perfectly OK to do so. 
 

2. If a black person does something incompetent and your response is “DEI hire” you’re engaging in racism. You may think you’re simply attacking a political idea (the promotion of racial diversity in society)  but you’re not. You’re making a collective judgment about competency based on skin color. It’s hateful and bigoted. 

Hiring someone because of the color of their skin is extremely racist and the worst kind of racism. Denying someone a livelihood because of the color of their skin is OK with you?

[Fireballer 2,641]

47 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t understand your question. Are you asking should they be afforded respect and dignity and equal treatment in society? Of course. 

lol…respect and dignity were nowhere in my post.  Nice try though.  You said racial diversity is a laudable goal.  Does diversity based on sex and sexual orientation deserve the same attention?

[TrailGuy 554]

1 minute ago, Baker Boy said:

Hiring someone because of the color of their skin is extremely racist and the worst kind of racism. Denying someone a livelihood because of the color of their skin is OK with you?

It's illegal to hire someone based on the color of their skin boyo.  That not what DEI is about.

DEI is about stopping the practice of denying someone a livelihood because of their color of your skin.

[Fireballer 2,641]

52 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m seeing a link between the discussion surrounding this crisis, and the debates we’ve had in the past about Covid, the attempted Trump assassination, gun control, even immigration: the assumption that human beings have more control over events than we actually do. This assumption makes it easier to attack and lay blame. 

I believe in the opposite- a lot of what occurs, both good and bad, is sheer luck. Incompetence and laziness are everywhere. When things go wrong it’s usually because somebody screwed up unintentionally; it’s rarely deliberate. What makes it SEEM deliberate, after the fact, is that a lot of folks who behaved incompetently spend a lot of time trying to cover their asses.

There   are no shadowy forces controlling human events; most things that happen are random. In some ways that’s scarier. 

So naive.  I’ve been on interview panels and assessment centers all over this country.  There are absolutely forces controlling human events.  It must be nice to be sheltered, eh?

[Baker Boy 1,694]

20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. Intent is decisive. I don’t blame anyone for being wrong, or making mistakes. 

Of course it isn’t, it is the people’s fault for voting for and hiring stupid people.

[Fireballer 2,641]

2 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

It's illegal to hire someone based on the color of their skin boyo.  That not what DEI is about.

DEI is about stopping the practice of denying someone a livelihood because of their color of your skin.

Laughable

[seafoam1 2,913]

4 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

It's illegal to hire someone based on the color of their skin boyo.  That not what DEI is about.

DEI is about stopping the practice of denying someone a livelihood because of their color of your skin.

DEI is bringing less skilled/intelligent people into jobs simply because of the color of their skin, instead of not looking at their skin color and hiring them based on their abilities to do the job. 

[TrailGuy 554]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

DEI is bringing less skilled/intelligent people into jobs simply because of the color of their skin, instead of not looking at their skin color and hiring them based on their abilities. 

Do you hear yourself?  Non white people are less skilled and intelligent?

Ugly look boyo.  Check yourself.