LA Wildfires, 100K people evacuated and counting

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1 minute ago, HellToupee said:

Of course they don’t impact where the beautiful people live. It’s the people struggling they impact, those on the lower rung . Rents get pushed up and it bubbles up to the working class. You don’t care

Of course I care. It’s why I oppose every effort to clamp down on affordable housing (always sponsored by Republicans.) 

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3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

People are going to make fortunes here. 

People who have fortunes will see them grow. No ham & egger are going to make fortunes. You’re out of your t1ts. The Noah Cross types  of the world will grab a bigger piece of the pie

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1 minute ago, Fnord said:

Look at Toxic Horsemanurity going back to the same well over and over again. Call him out for being the pile of human trash that he is and he responds with some variation of questioning your manhood. Over and over and over he shows that he is by far the most insecure  buttboy posting here. Terrified of the rest of the world finding out his true predilections. Hates himself for it, so makes every attempt to spread his own self-loathing to the rest of us. 

Newsflash for the unrepentant human mound of fecal matter: you aren't insulting me by targeting my masculinity. Those of us that are real men aren't phased by that; we just laugh at the desperation you exhibit daily.

Well I dunno. There’s a lot of competition. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Of course I care. It’s why I oppose every effort to clamp down on affordable housing (always sponsored by Republicans.) 

How do you clamp down on affordable housing by bringing in more people to compete for housing  ? 

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Just now, HellToupee said:

People who have fortunes will see them grow. No ham & egger are going to make fortunes. You’re out of your t1ts. The Noah Cross types  of the world will grab a bigger piece of the pie

Not true. If I was working in a construction or land development company and thinking about going into business for myself now is the time to do it. Get a small business loan and take the risk. Same for any field associated with construction and development. Same for small retail. There’s going to be tons of opportunity here if you’re bold enough to grab it. 

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2 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

How do you clamp down on affordable housing by bringing in more people to compete for housing  ? 

You don’t. You promote it. 

Affordable housing isn’t a question of space; we have plenty of room in Southern California. It’s a question of will. That’s true of all immigration to the United States. We have room for all of these folks. The question is do we want them? I do. Most of you don’t. I’m in the minority and don’t expect to win this fight but that doesn’t make me wrong. 

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24 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

New immigrants to this area (or any area) don’t rent or own the same type of places that people like my in laws reside in. You’re talking apples and oranges. Do they impact each other? Maybe long term but even that’s debatable. Doesn’t matter anyhow; we need them. 

And this shows the shallowness of your understanding of the issue, as is typical for ANY issue with you.  It's not that the illegals take the places your in laws would rent.  It's that they take the places at the bottom of the chain, forcing EVERYTHING above that to cost more because the legal people who would take those places now have to spend more and take a place slightly higher up the chain than the illegals are taking, which forces the people who would normally take the places slightly up the chain to go up another level up the chain, etc.....So the people who would normally rent the places slightly lower on the chain than your in laws are now being forced to take the places your in laws would take, thus creating more demand for that level of place which moves the rent higher.  It's really not a difficult concept.  And the notion that it's "debatable" is laughable.

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10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You don’t. You promote it. 

Affordable housing isn’t a question of space; we have plenty of room in Southern California. It’s a question of will. That’s true of all immigration to the United States. We have room for all of these folks. The question is do we want them? I do. Most of you don’t. I’m in the minority and don’t expect to win this fight but that doesn’t make me wrong. 

If there was plenty of space there wouldn't be an issue.  When I was a kid they were building out the Santa Clarita Valley.  After that was full they started building out Lancaster/Palmdale.  And yeah you can go up to those places to live but then you are looking at a 90+ minute commute if you work anywhere in LA.  Yeah, there's space out in the middle of the desert but most people don't want to live out there.

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15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Of course I care. It’s why I oppose every effort to clamp down on affordable housing (always sponsored by Republicans.) 

While I am your ally in the affordable housing fight, you need to understand that California is the last place where this would be feasible short term.

I was made aware of a local Minnesota man that recently attempted to build modest, affordable 3 bedroom/ single bath houses of 1200-1500 sf and keep the purchase price under $200k. He was his own general contractor, had very low overhead, and did everything he could to maintain quality while lowering cost. He determined that it was essentially impossible to do it for under $225k in Minnesota.

For the upper midwest, cost of living in MN is relatively high. Compared to Cali, it's dirt cheap. Those same houses in SoCal would be priced at, what, a minimum of $650k? Closer to $800k?

Affordable housing on the west coast is an oxymoron. Hell, when I lived in SD the only people I knew that owned houses had either been in them for at least 10 years or were spending 50+% of their income on mortgages because they were typical SoCal types that needed to show off. Living beyond your means in CA is the state pastime. And this was 20 years ago. It was the reason we left.

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Elon is so terrible right lefties?

donating all Cybertrucks that were scheduled to be delivered to Los Angeles as bases for communications, power and starlink

Elon Musk donates Cybertrucks to provide LA community with power, Internet amidst wildfire devastation

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2 hours ago, Strike said:

And this shows the shallowness of your understanding of the issue, as is typical for ANY issue with you.  It's not that the illegals take the places your in laws would rent.  It's that they take the places at the bottom of the chain, forcing EVERYTHING above that to cost more because the legal people who would take those places now have to spend more and take a place slightly higher up the chain than the illegals are taking, which forces the people who would normally take the places slightly up the chain to go up another level up the chain, etc.....So the people who would normally rent the places slightly lower on the chain than your in laws are now being forced to take the places your in laws would take, thus creating more demand for that level of place which moves the rent higher.  It's really not a difficult concept.  And the notion that it's "debatable" is laughable.

And this shows the shallowness of YOUR thinking. Without these folks taking their place at the bottom of the food chain costs go up much higher. We need these people no matter what it costs to house them. It’s pennies on the dollar compared to their financial benefit to us. That’s what people like you never seem to undestand- mainly because you don’t want to. 

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1 hour ago, Fnord said:

While I am your ally in the affordable housing fight, you need to understand that California is the last place where this would be feasible short term.

I was made aware of a local Minnesota man that recently attempted to build modest, affordable 3 bedroom/ single bath houses of 1200-1500 sf and keep the purchase price under $200k. He was his own general contractor, had very low overhead, and did everything he could to maintain quality while lowering cost. He determined that it was essentially impossible to do it for under $225k in Minnesota.

For the upper midwest, cost of living in MN is relatively high. Compared to Cali, it's dirt cheap. Those same houses in SoCal would be priced at, what, a minimum of $650k? Closer to $800k?

Affordable housing on the west coast is an oxymoron. Hell, when I lived in SD the only people I knew that owned houses had either been in them for at least 10 years or were spending 50+% of their income on mortgages because they were typical SoCal types that needed to show off. Living beyond your means in CA is the state pastime. And this was 20 years ago. It was the reason we left.

In every city in Orange County, Republican candidates for city council consistently run on a platform of denying affordable housing. It’s a very ugly policy of NIMBY which borders on blatant racism. Thats one big reason I always vote Democrat. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

And this shows the shallowness of YOUR thinking. Without these folks taking their place at the bottom of the food chain costs go up much higher. We need these people no matter what it costs to house them. It’s pennies on the dollar compared to their financial benefit to us. That’s what people like you never seem to undestand- mainly because you don’t want to. 

And yet in spite of the great benefits they provide sanctuary cities and states are now deciding to forgo those great benefits.  They cannot afford any more benefit.  

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1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

And yet in spite of the great benefits they provide sanctuary cities and states are now deciding to forgo those great benefits.  They cannot afford any more benefit.  

That’s because the benefits provided are nationwide while the costs incurred, though far less, affect only the area in question. So the solution to this is not to get rid of these people but to distribute the costs federally among all 50 states. Of course this solution will never happen; it’s far too logical. 

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14 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

In every city in Orange County, Republican candidates for city council consistently run on a platform of denying affordable housing. It’s a very ugly policy of NIMBY which borders on blatant racism. Thats one big reason I always vote Democrat. 

So, once again, it's everyone else's fault except you and your side.

Your side of the aisle has literally been in power in California for like 60 years now. Republican candidates don't even campaign in your state because they know it's been solid blue since forever. 

Excuse time is about over. You have no choice but to admit that Democrat policies are failed policies. That's not even debatable.

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13 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

So, once again, it's everyone else's fault except you and your side.

Your side of the aisle has literally been in power in California for like 60 years now. Republican candidates don't even campaign in your state because they know it's been solid blue since forever. 

Excuse time is about over. You have no choice but to admit that Democrat policies are failed policies. That's not even debatable.

I don’t think you know much about Orange County do you? It’s dominated by conservatives and local government has been Republican forever with very few exceptions. I was referring to local politics not statewide. 
 

In terms of statewide politics your contention that Democratic policies are failed policies is absolutely debatable and in fact I disagree with you strongly . 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t think you know much about Orange County do you? It’s dominated by conservatives and local government has been Republican forever with very few exceptions. I was referring to local politics not statewide. 
 

In terms of statewide politics your contention that Democratic policies are failed policies is absolutely debatable and in fact I disagree with you strongly . 

It is? How is their wildfire containment going? 

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There must be strict oversight of the funding California will receive for the fires. It’s not meant for any bullshit DEI/ Woke garbage.  It’s to help the people displaced and with the rebuild. That’s it.  No X amount of minorities / homos/ whatever have to be employed by the firms tasked with the rebuild. There’s no time for that shitt

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29 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t think you know much about Orange County do you? It’s dominated by conservatives and local government has been Republican forever with very few exceptions. I was referring to local politics not statewide. 
 

In terms of statewide politics your contention that Democratic policies are failed policies is absolutely debatable and in fact I disagree with you strongly . 

False. 

Orange County WAS Conservative until the 90s, and then in 2016, Hillary turned it more blue. 

It's purple at this point, and some call it a swing/battleground area. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/27/california-orange-county-voting-us-election-2024

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Democratic voters have a slight lead in the county today, but it remains firmly purple. Republicans won two House seats back from Democrats in 2020 with the election of Young Kim and Michelle Steel – two of the first Korean American women to serve in Congress.

It's currently around 40% Dem and 34% Rep. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_County,_California#Politics

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During most of the 20th century and up until 2016, Orange County was known for its political conservatism and for being a bastion for the Republican Party, with a 2005 academic study listing three Orange County cities as among America's 25 most conservative.^[150] However, the county's changing demographics have coincided with a shift in political alignments, making it far more competitive in recent years. In 2016, Hillary Clinton became the first Democrat since 1936 to carry Orange County in a presidential election and in the 2018 midterm elections the Democratic Party gained control of every Congressional seat in the county.^{[151][152][153][154]} Although Democrats controlled all congressional districts in Orange County at the time, Republicans maintained a lead in voter registration numbers (although it shrunk to less than a percentage point as of February 10, 2019,^[155] as compared with over 10% on February 10, 2013).^[156] The number of registered Democrats surpassed the number of registered Republicans in the county in August 2019. As the number of Democrats increased, the number of voters not aligned with a political party increased to comprise 27.4% of the county's voters in 2019.^[157] Republicans held a majority on the county Board of Supervisors until 2022, when Democrats established a 3–2 control of the body. Seven out of the 12 state legislators from Orange County are also Republicans.

 

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44 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

So, once again, it's everyone else's fault except you and your side.

Your side of the aisle has literally been in power in California for like 60 years now. Republican candidates don't even campaign in your state because they know it's been solid blue since forever. 

Excuse time is about over. You have no choice but to admit that Democrat policies are failed policies. That's not even debatable.

All due respect, you're talking out of your ass here. Land wise, the majority of CA votes Republican. The Central Valley, farmers, and desert dwellers vote Republican. Basically everything outside of the big cities is solid red. Wanna get someone who lives north of San Fran (which is essentially central CA, though it's called northern) worked up? Remind them about how liberal CA is. They'll tear into you like a brush hog eating dry grass in the LA hills.

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Just now, Fnord said:

All due respect, you're talking out of your ass here. Land wise, the majority of CA votes Republican. The Central Valley, farmers, and desert dwellers vote Republican. Basically everything outside of the big cities is solid red. Wanna get someone who lives north of San Fran (which is essentially central CA, though it's called northern) worked up? Remind them about how liberal CA is. They'll tear into you like a brush hog eating dry grass in the LA hills.

WE ARE NOT CENTRAL CA. WE ARE NORTHERN CA. *

 

*Just kidding, I am more east of SF than North. 

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1 minute ago, TheNewGirl said:

WE ARE NOT CENTRAL CA. WE ARE NORTHERN CA. *

 

*Just kidding, I am more east of SF than North. 

The GATEWAY to NorCal is more like it. I really miss living up in the those mountains. Until the fires start.

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42 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Democratic policies are failed policies

Yes, it's about time that you admit it. 

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On 1/13/2025 at 9:29 AM, The Real timschochet said:

Once again you misunderstand me. Calling people out isn’t important to me; I’m not begging for it. I only note it because the failure to do so takes away credibility from those here who regard themselves as conservatives. You guys constantly bridle at being grouped in with racists and bigots and jerks who cheer on the fire but as long as you tolerate such people in your midst you’re going to be painted with a broad brush and you should expect it. And this is the same problem you have when you chose to elect a guy like Trump who is all of these things as well. (He hasn’t cheered on the fire but he might has well have given his remarks.) 

As far as not giving these folks attention- we’ll never know if not doing so would be effective or not because all too many conservatives here are cheering these losers on, responding positively to their posts, conversing with them like normal, etc. 

I've called out Horseman on multiple occasions for his comments, for personal attacks.  One example is when he has attacked Boyo for his cancer.  Horseman is a "win at all costs" type of arguer -- he will bring up anything no matter how inappropriate to win an argument.  Once you view his comments through this lens, they are easier to understand at least.

That being said, rooting for fires is not a personal attack, and seems like more of a shock value comment.

 

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

In every city in Orange County, Republican candidates for city council consistently run on a platform of denying affordable housing. It’s a very ugly policy of NIMBY which borders on blatant racism. Thats one big reason I always vote Democrat. 

Studies have shown that rent control actually increases the overall cost of housing, and decreases the quality of existing units.  Among the reasons is that it discourages new builds which will be subject to such artificially low pricing, and disincentivizes investment in maintenance and improvements.

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Yes, rent control can lower rent for current tenants, but it can also have negative consequences. 

 

• Benefits

  • Rent control can help current tenants by lowering their rent and protecting them from eviction. 
     
  • Tenants in rent-controlled units may experience greater neighborhood stability. 
     
• Drawbacks

  • Rent control can reduce the rental stock and maintenance, which can worsen affordable housing shortages. 
     
  • Rent control can lead to less mobility, which can make it harder for people to move out of rent-controlled units. 
     
  • Rent control can lead to higher rents for uncontrolled units. 
     
  • Rent control can lead to less new rental housing construction. 
     
  • Rent control can lead to a fall in the quality of rental housing. 
     

What does research say?

• A 2018 study by the Brookings Institution found that rent control can decrease affordability in the long run. 
   
• A meta-study found that rent control has a range of negative effects, including a lower supply of rental accommodation and less new rental housing construction. 

As with most liberal ideas, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Then again, you are a capitalist, so you should already realize this. 

 

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4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

You don’t. You promote it. 

Affordable housing isn’t a question of space; we have plenty of room in Southern California. It’s a question of will. That’s true of all immigration to the United States. We have room for all of these folks. The question is do we want them? I do. Most of you don’t. I’m in the minority and don’t expect to win this fight but that doesn’t make me wrong. 

Given your track record of being on the side of every terrible policy the left puts out, just assume your wrong and withhold your opinion.

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3 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I've called out Horseman on multiple occasions for his comments, for personal attacks.  One example is when he has attacked Boyo for his cancer.  Horseman is a "win at all costs" type of arguer -- he will bring up anything no matter how inappropriate to win an argument.  Once you view his comments through this lens, they are easier to understand at least.

That being said, rooting for fires is not a personal attack, and seems like more of a shock value comment.

 

Studies have shown that rent control actually increases the overall cost of housing, and decreases the quality of existing units.  Among the reasons is that it discourages new builds which will be subject to such artificially low pricing, and disincentivizes investment in maintenance and improvements.

As with most liberal ideas, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Then again, you are a capitalist, so you should already realize this. 

 

I don’t believe in rent control. You’re right it doesn’t work. 
 

I DO believe in providing affordable housing for the less fortunate. That’s a separate issue. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t believe in rent control. You’re right it doesn’t work. 
 

I DO believe in providing affordable housing for the less fortunate. That’s a separate issue. 

And that's how ghettos begin and crime rises. 

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Dennis Quaid calling for Bass to step down. 

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4 hours ago, nobody said:

Given your track record of being on the side of every terrible policy the left puts out, just assume you’re wrong and withhold your opinion.

great posting. 

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5 hours ago, Fnord said:

All due respect, you're talking out of your ass here. Land wise, the majority of CA votes Republican. The Central Valley, farmers, and desert dwellers vote Republican. Basically everything outside of the big cities is solid red. Wanna get someone who lives north of San Fran (which is essentially central CA, though it's called northern) worked up? Remind them about how liberal CA is. They'll tear into you like a brush hog eating dry grass in the LA hills.

Do you know what a brush hog is?  

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t believe in rent control. You’re right it doesn’t work. 
 

I DO believe in providing affordable housing for the less fortunate. That’s a separate issue. 

I heard a poor lady & her kids say after this Friday they are probably going to be in a homeless shelter . Shameful what is going to happen to people 

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5 hours ago, Fnord said:

They'll tear into you like a brush hog eating dry grass in the LA hills.

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5 hours ago, Fnord said:

All due respect, you're talking out of your ass here. Land wise, the majority of CA votes Republican. The Central Valley, farmers, and desert dwellers vote Republican. Basically everything outside of the big cities is solid red. Wanna get someone who lives north of San Fran (which is essentially central CA, though it's called northern) worked up? Remind them about how liberal CA is. They'll tear into you like a brush hog eating dry grass in the LA hills.

Thanks for the kind words? 

Anyways, I guess what I'm getting at is that the cities have completely overwhelmed the rest of the state to the point it's damn near been solid blue for 60 years or more with Democrats running the entire state almost that entire time as well.  CA is a state where state and local polices are almost all democrat policies so there can't be any excuses that it's someone else's fault like Tim is trying to do.

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t believe in rent control. You’re right it doesn’t work. 
 

I DO believe in providing affordable housing for the less fortunate. That’s a separate issue. 

What's the difference?  

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11 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Not true. If I was working in a construction or land development company and thinking about going into business for myself now is the time to do it. Get a small business loan and take the risk. Same for any field associated with construction and development. Same for small retail. There’s going to be tons of opportunity here if you’re bold enough to grab it. 

I dunno. To do any construction work in California you need a crew of five guys to do the manual work and 10,356 lawyers over ten years to get all the necessary permits. At least two of the work crew have to be illegal aliens and two others BIPOC and/or LGBTQ.

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8 hours ago, Fnord said:

All due respect, you're talking out of your ass here. Land wise, the majority of CA votes Republican. The Central Valley, farmers, and desert dwellers vote Republican. Basically everything outside of the big cities is solid red. Wanna get someone who lives north of San Fran (which is essentially central CA, though it's called northern) worked up? Remind them about how liberal CA is. They'll tear into you like a brush hog eating dry grass in the LA hills.

Trying to make CA sound line a red state…..I’ve heard some Libtard gymnastics to avoid accountability but this is next level stupidity. Congrats?

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1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

What's the difference?  

Rent control restricts rent for all rental properties in a city (Santa Monica for example.) Affordable housing is built for the specific purpose of cheaper rents. Rent control restricts the landlord; affordable housing usually involves the landlord receiving government funding to keep the rents lower. 

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Rent control restricts rent for all rental properties in a city (Santa Monica for example.) Affordable housing is built for the specific purpose of cheaper rents. Rent control restricts the landlord; affordable housing usually involves the landlord receiving government funding to keep the rents lower. 

So, government-built or -subsidized housing?

Didn't LA put a ton of money into housing for homeless people? How did that work out?

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11 hours ago, CaptainObvious1 said:

Do you know what a brush hog is?  

@Fnord thinks it's a Mexican with a rake and trash bag. 

He sounds absolutely foolish. He won't admit that they cut the budget in favor of DEI and Tranny programs. Had they not, then they would of had much more resources to control this fire early on. Water at the hydrants would of been a nice start.