Tree of Knowledge 1,811 Posted February 6 https://www.dailywire.com/news/97-of-political-contributions-from-usaid-employees-went-to-dems 97% of political donations to Democrats Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 554 Posted February 6 1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said: I’m not happy with them. But if they are going to claim they are ministering to the poor it’s kinda hard to get mad at them specifically. It is what Jesus would do. Not sure if that is what is in their heart , but I guess I have to accept it. But I can hold my government accountable for funding it. So the work that USAID is doing for the poor, work that Jesus would do, you're still good with eliminating all of it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,727 Posted February 6 Doesn’t seem like much has changed since the 1975 Church committee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,202 Posted February 6 49 minutes ago, Herbivore said: its weird you would say that, I am not the one claiming things are propaganda. you do this pretty consistently. like in the hegseth thread. anytime you want to get back to that one and explain why that article was propaganda would be good. you jumped right in there, and here you are not so sure, you need to see more, about a story, as honcho pointed out, has complete transcript of his perfect call. Not weird at all, you wanted the conversation and I participated. It would be weird to ignore you. I think this back end hidden funding on the part of our government to media outlets might explain, in part, their deference to Democrats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 1,123 Posted February 6 6 minutes ago, RLLD said: Not weird at all, you wanted the conversation and I participated. It would be weird to ignore you. I think this back end hidden funding on the part of our government to media outlets might explain, in part, their deference to Democrats. what back end hidden funding? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,737 Posted February 6 3 hours ago, TrailGuy said: Let's remember that Elon musk has received more government money than USAID the past 8 years. Elon has received it? Like Chelsea? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,677 Posted February 6 1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said: One of the outlets for USAID's funding is Politico. A far left wing media outlet that gets over 90% of it's income from tax payers. If OAN got the same thing, would you be ok with it? I wouldn't be. Neither should happen. That's money that could be allocated towards actually helping the country instead of sow discourse. I hope Musk looks for things on the conservative side of the ledger as well. I'm not really sure what he'd find though. What are conservative government programs that are being pushed to the world through funding? I‘m not sure Politico is left wing. But no I’m not in favor of taxpayers funding ANY magazine. As I wrote earlier, I’m sure when you look carefully at this organization or any government entity you will find a lot of waste and some corruption. If Musk and company discover that and carefully get rid of it or reduce it, more power to them. On the other hand, using these instances of abuse as a excuse to terminate an entire government agency that does a lot of good from what I have read…that’s something else entirely, and I don’t think I’m for this. Are you? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,677 Posted February 6 To make a larger point in terms of this issue: nobody should oppose targeting wasteful government spending and corruption. We all know there is plenty of it, and we all know it needs to be dealt with. I only ask two things: 1. When you cut it, use a scalpel, not a hammer. Be very careful you’re not taking away things that are important or useful. My concern with the Trump folks so far is that, because they want to impress their supporters and the public, they’re eager to use the hammer. 2. Don’t use this as an excuse to try and get rid of or block programs you oppose ideologically without going through proper channels (which means Congress). If you truly think an agency like USAID is bad news, fine. But getting rid of it should require an act of Congress, not executive authority. Same with the Department of Education. If anyone disagrees with these two points please explain how I am being unreasonable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,202 Posted February 6 22 minutes ago, Herbivore said: what back end hidden funding? Exactly. If I am to believe that all that money went to the stated activities, and none of it managed to make its way back to politicians by other means then I am not suspicious enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CaptainObvious1 368 Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: To make a larger point in terms of this issue: nobody should oppose targeting wasteful government spending and corruption. We all know there is plenty of it, and we all know it needs to be dealt with. I only ask two things: 1. When you cut it, use a scalpel, not a hammer. Be very careful you’re not taking away things that are important or useful. My concern with the Trump folks so far is that, because they want to impress their supporters and the public, they’re eager to use the hammer. 2. Don’t use this as an excuse to try and get rid of or block programs you oppose ideologically without going through proper channels (which means Congress). If you truly think an agency like USAID is bad news, fine. But getting rid of it should require an act of Congress, not executive authority. Same with the Department of Education. If anyone disagrees with these two points please explain how I am being unreasonable. Congress are the ones that get bribed and paid off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,677 Posted February 6 1 minute ago, CaptainObvious1 said: Congress are the ones that get bribed and paid off. Then investigate the members that do and impeach and remove them. Doesn’t change anything I wrote. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CaptainObvious1 368 Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Then investigate the members that do and impeach and remove them. Doesn’t change anything I wrote. For a guy that spends his life beating off on politics, you would think you know how this works. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,677 Posted February 6 6 minutes ago, CaptainObvious1 said: For a guy that spends his life beating off on politics, you would think you know how this works. I know you’re being cynical. But even if you’re right it still doesn’t justify the President being able to remove programs or spending he doesn’t like on his own authority. That’s not the government the founders set up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 1,123 Posted February 6 13 minutes ago, RLLD said: Exactly. If I am to believe that all that money went to the stated activities, and none of it managed to make its way back to politicians by other means then I am not suspicious enough. ha, operating with the feels again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,251 Posted February 6 1 hour ago, TrailGuy said: This is wrong. https://thedispatch.com/article/fact-check-politico-usaid-funding/ According to USAspending.gov, an official source for U.S. government expenditure data—and the resource used by Becker in his post—Politico received $8.2 million in total payments from government departments and agencies between fiscal year 2016 and fiscal year 2025. However, only $44,000 of this total came from USAID. Also the CEO of Politicos parent company is a Trump supporter https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/politico-owner-pray-for-trump-mathias-dopfner-axel-springer-1234587243/ Don't believe Benny Johnson on this, a guy that was ACTUALLY funded by Russia to spread right wing propaganda. Quote Funds received by Politico LLC from other government agencies also came mostly from subscriptions to E&E, or for the company’s policy intelligence platform, Politico Pro. The largest spenders have been the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), Department of the Interior (DOI), and Department of Energy (DOE). Damn, if only someone would have told these guys that yesterday, they wouldn't have made such fools of themselves. You and I really need to do a better job at getting the facts to these guys, seriously, this is on us. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,288 Posted February 6 1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said: I know you’re being cynical. But even if you’re right it still doesn’t justify the President being able to remove programs or spending he doesn’t like on his own authority. That’s not the government the founders set up. The founders, especially George Washington, did not want us getting involved in foreign entanglements. You should know this if you’re going to cite them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,677 Posted February 6 6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: The founders, especially George Washington, did not want us getting involved in foreign entanglements. You should know this if you’re going to cite them. You are the king of irrelevancies. Your comment has NOTHING to do with the discussion. When I brought up the founders I was referring to the legal document they set up, called the U.S. Constitution, NOT to their opinions about anything. And FTR they strongly disagreed with each other about foreign entanglements. And if this issue really concerns you talk to Trump about Gaza. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,296 Posted February 6 6 hours ago, TrailGuy said: Civil war in Sudan. Starving, dying children. Usaid is there feeding these kids and saving their lives. The world's richest man has decided that all these poor people need to suffer. You all cheer this on. It's unfathomable the depravity that you display. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-aid-freeze-could-hit-sudan-starving-children/ Sounds like there may be a real need. You are welcome to get involved. There are dozens of recognized aid agencies working the problem to which you can donate your spare money. Me, maybe I don't want to give my money. I should have that choice. Maybe I want to give my spare money, my charitable donations, to other causes, causes I deem more immediate or more important to me. Why does the federal government get to confiscate a substantial percentage of my wages, determine where they should be given away, charitably? Is that power in the Constitution? Certainly it is not an enumerated power. Maybe it is one of those imaginary powers found in the penumbra. Even if so, since we do not have a balanced budget and are paying exhorbitant amounts of our budge for interest for past debt; how dare we spend that money increasing the debt owed by our future generations? Your compassion should get by without the necessity of forcibly taking my wages and impoverishing my grandkids. When you add into the equation that there is fraud and theft in the system, a fact that all seem to cavalierly acknowledge as just a fact of life, a fact attributed to the massive, unmanageable scale of the government, that is not a defense of the system, that is an argument the system needs to be trimmed, reduced, and controlled. When you add in that when the waste and fraud is tracked down it seems statistically to inure to the benefit of one politcal party 99% of the time that is a call to revolution if, as has been shown, it cannot be addressed by our current instituions, legislatively, administratively, and judicially. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,202 Posted February 6 21 minutes ago, Herbivore said: ha, operating with the feels again The same feels that explained why Trump would win, and did win...but hey, ignore what is right in front of you if that helps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,047 Posted February 6 You can't make this sh#t up: Liberals: "The Russian Dossier funded by Hillary Clinton campaign is proof Donald Trump is a spy and pees on hookers. We need to indict him!" Also Liberals: "Don't believe people who are in bed with Russians!!!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 1,123 Posted February 6 40 minutes ago, RLLD said: The same feels that explained why Trump would win, and did win...but hey, ignore what is right in front of you if that helps. you and I are not responsible for Trump winning, we are responsible for what we say and do. you claim things are propaganda despite not reading them, and follow with giving this story a pass cause of your bias and "beliefs". Its fine to be suspicious, you just lean 1 way every time with your suspicions. Its funny also that there a number of stories being put out there that the USAID is bad or wasteful or out to get Trump, but you can only see that people fighting to save USAID must be worried about your suspicions. 1 hour ago, RLLD said: Exactly. If I am to believe that all that money went to the stated activities, and none of it managed to make its way back to politicians by other means then I am not suspicious enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,288 Posted February 6 1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said: You are the king of irrelevancies. Your comment has NOTHING to do with the discussion. When I brought up the founders I was referring to the legal document they set up, called the U.S. Constitution, NOT to their opinions about anything. And FTR they strongly disagreed with each other about foreign entanglements. And if this issue really concerns you talk to Trump about Gaza. I’m all for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. And then make it like the forbidden zone in the planet of the apes as a warning to other savages. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,909 Posted February 6 6 hours ago, TrailGuy said: So the work that USAID is doing for the poor, work that Jesus would do, you're still good with eliminating all of it? Yup, bye bye Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Girlfriend 209 Posted February 6 https://www.10tv.com/article/news/local/musk-threatens-to-pull-federal-funding-lutheran-social-services-central-ohio/530-f813a6ef-cfcc-48d2-81a4-699f67063c45 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tree of Knowledge 1,811 Posted February 6 16 minutes ago, The Girlfriend said: https://www.10tv.com/article/news/local/musk-threatens-to-pull-federal-funding-lutheran-social-services-central-ohio/530-f813a6ef-cfcc-48d2-81a4-699f67063c45 Start taxing churches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,429 Posted February 6 . All the usual dumbazzes bootlicking for the most corrupt source of domestic and international propaganda the world has ever known. USAID funnels billions and billions of taxpayers dollars into the pockets of reporters and media outlets around the world as well as high-profile celebrities and political hacks under the guise of humanitarian aid. It is a complete and total fraud. Even funneling some $50 million so all the richest elitist bastards in the world can get together at the World Economic Forum and figure out how they can take away our freedoms. You fockers are really focking stupid. 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,727 Posted February 6 1 hour ago, The Girlfriend said: https://www.10tv.com/article/news/local/musk-threatens-to-pull-federal-funding-lutheran-social-services-central-ohio/530-f813a6ef-cfcc-48d2-81a4-699f67063c45 Go after Catholic charities as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tree of Knowledge 1,811 Posted February 6 56 minutes ago, HellToupee said: Go after Catholic charities as well I’m a Catholic and I say go for it. Lutheran and Episcopal have totally showed their hands. Tax them all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbycho 754 Posted February 6 2 hours ago, The Girlfriend said: https://www.10tv.com/article/news/local/musk-threatens-to-pull-federal-funding-lutheran-social-services-central-ohio/530-f813a6ef-cfcc-48d2-81a4-699f67063c45 Poor Rusty.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,727 Posted February 7 14 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said: I’m a Catholic and I say go for it. Lutheran and Episcopal have totally showed their hands. Tax them all. Same here. Catholic schooling k-12 and former altar boy(never touched) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tree of Knowledge 1,811 Posted February 7 2 hours ago, HellToupee said: Same here. Catholic schooling k-12 and former altar boy(never touched) Ditto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,429 Posted February 7 16 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: To make a larger point in terms of this issue: nobody should oppose targeting wasteful government spending and corruption. We all know there is plenty of it, and we all know it needs to be dealt with. I only ask two things: 1. When you cut it, use a scalpel, not a hammer. Be very careful you’re not taking away things that are important or useful. My concern with the Trump folks so far is that, because they want to impress their supporters and the public, they’re eager to use the hammer. 2. Don’t use this as an excuse to try and get rid of or block programs you oppose ideologically without going through proper channels (which means Congress). If you truly think an agency like USAID is bad news, fine. But getting rid of it should require an act of Congress, not executive authority. Same with the Department of Education. If anyone disagrees with these two points please explain how I am being unreasonable. USAID was created to provide Humanitarian aid, but what it has turned into is a deep state psyop/money laundering scheme to fund propaganda media outlets and celebrities to promote deep state interest in starting wars, installing puppet leaders, and pushing a radical abortion agenda. Every media outlet in the Ukraine recieves most of their funding from USAID. Various foundations run by the Clintons get huge chunks of funding. BBC gets over 8 percent of their budget from USAID and even the New York Times gets substantial USAID funding. Angelina Jolie a big recipient of USAID. Catholic Services sounds like a conservative/pro-life organization, but the bulk of their funding is for abortion and condoms. Even the mega wealthy elitist organization, the World Economic Forum gets over $50 million a year from USAID so that the richest people in the world can get together and ear caviar as they try to figure out how they can discuss great topics like how to convert common folk from eating meat into eating bugs. The whole organization was a scam to promote a left-wing, globalist ideology and policies to advance the industrial military complex. Even radical George Soros legal defense fund to get violent prorestors released from prison recieved millions. What that has to do with humanitarian aid, who knows. And you know Trump really struck a nerve when you see every deep state propaganda outlet screaming about it. This organization deserved the ax and is getting rightfully gutted. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,580 Posted February 7 13 hours ago, HellToupee said: Same here. Catholic schooling k-12 and former altar boy(never touched) You poor ugly bastard 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dizkneelande 1,095 Posted February 7 Politico are not a bunch of leftists Also Politico Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tree of Knowledge 1,811 Posted February 7 14 hours ago, HellToupee said: Same here. Catholic schooling k-12 and former altar boy(never touched) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,677 Posted February 7 https://www.wired.com/story/usaid-collapse-is-helping-criminal-scammers-enslave-people/ Those of you in favor of what is happening to USAID right now need to give up the pretense that you care about child trafficking. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,727 Posted February 7 2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: https://www.wired.com/story/usaid-collapse-is-helping-criminal-scammers-enslave-people/ Those of you in favor of what is happening to USAID right now need to give up the pretense that you care about child trafficking. Good talking point but that’s why we’re happy they’re going after Lutheran & Catholic Charities Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,580 Posted February 7 9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: https://www.wired.com/story/usaid-collapse-is-helping-criminal-scammers-enslave-people/ Those of you in favor of what is happening to USAID right now need to give up the pretense that you care about child trafficking. Shut up, fraud. You were for open borders. No more child trafficking happening there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,296 Posted February 7 14 hours ago, HellToupee said: Same here. Catholic schooling k-12 and former altar boy(never touched) Homely were you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites