Bondi instructs DOJ to criminally investigate companies for DEI

[TrailGuy 554]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

After whittling down the pool to just DEI candidates.  Sure, you hired the most qualified black person out the pool of black people.

black people are unqualified?

[kilroy69 1,250]

Just now, TrailGuy said:

Quotas are illegal too.  You're full of sh1t 

Ok. So everyone who comes across something like this is full of shitt? YOU  are full of shitt. 

[TrailGuy 554]

Just now, kilroy69 said:

It makes you FEEL better to think I am full of shitt. The alternative is that DEI is discrimination, and we cannot have that now can we?

Discrimination is illegal 

[Red White and Blue 81]

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

After whittling down the pool to just DEI candidates.  Sure, you hired the most qualified black person out the pool of black people.

TNG’s story was about a company directive to hire equally qualified minorities.

[TrailGuy 554]

Just now, kilroy69 said:

Ok. So everyone who comes across something like this is full of shitt? YOU  are full of shitt. 

Yes.  Same way anyone who says they saw Bigfoot is full of shite 

[kilroy69 1,250]

Just now, TrailGuy said:

Yes.  Same way anyone who says they saw Bigfoot is full of shite 

You are not a serious person. 

[TrailGuy 554]

Just now, kilroy69 said:

You are not a serious person. 

Serious as cancer my friend.

Sorry to call you out and bust you boyo.

facts not feelz.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,106]

2 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

You are not a serious person. 

ignore button is your friend.  He's a troll.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

I have to admit that I agree with Honcho that I think the DOJ can better allocate its resources than this. I heard there were some grandmothers praying outside of planned parenthood. That needs a task force. 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

It’s real simple… Don’t contemplate immutable characteristics when making hiring decisions.  Judge people based on merit.  Children understand this.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

19 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I have to admit that I agree with Honcho that I think the DOJ can better allocate its resources than this. I heard there were some grandmothers praying outside of planned parenthood. That needs a task force. 

How about all those New Jersey PTA terrorists?

[edjr 6,592]

Patriots hired their first ever black head coach for last season

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ANOTHER AMAZING WIN  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

4 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

How about all those New Jersey PTA terrorists?

And these renegade Catholics doing Mass in Latin?

[Fnord 2,272]

53 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I'm trying to understand how DEI allowed you to hire some spectacular employees.  The fact that you even mention DEI means you've ignored White/Asian candidates so you could not possibly know you hired the best spectacular employee or not.  You may have used merit once you used DEI to discriminate and whittle down the pool to just DEI candidates, but you still discriminated if you used DEI.

Help me understand.

 

1 hour ago, CaptainObvious1 said:

If you're hiring based on merit, why are you so up in arms?  That's what everyone should do.  Why do you need a DEI buzzword?

The DEI initiatives my employer undertakes involve recruitment and outreach to minorities. It offers opportunities and accommodations for people of different religions, ethnicities, disabilities, and cultures. It is well known for that. That allows for a more deep and diverse talent pool from which i can hire ON MERIT.

The threat posed is still nebulous, but my understanding is that if Trump criminalizes these initiatives, he can then withhold federal money from organizations if they are found to be "participating" based on whatever arbitrary criteria is decided upon.

If that happens, a lot of vital research grants go away, along with many jobs. Would he try to revoke CMS funding? That alone would sink any hospital or clinic reliant on those funds, which are essentially everything that isn’t a privately owned practice.

Nevermind the panic it has caused amongst employees that are immigrants, LGBTQ, or other targeted minorities. 

[CaptainObvious1 368]

6 minutes ago, Fnord said:

 

The DEI initiatives my employer undertakes involve recruitment and outreach to minorities. It offers opportunities and accommodations for people of different religions, ethnicities, disabilities, and cultures. It is well known for that. That allows for a more deep and diverse talent pool from which i can hire ON MERIT.

The threat posed is still nebulous, but my understanding is that if Trump criminalizes these initiatives, he can then withhold federal money from organizations if they are found to be "participating" based on whatever arbitrary criteria is decided upon.

If that happens, a lot of vital research grants go away, along with many jobs. Would he try to revoke CMS funding? That alone would sink any hospital or clinic reliant on those funds, which are essentially everything that isn’t a privately owned practice.

Nevermind the panic it has caused amongst employees that are immigrants, LGBTQ, or other targeted minorities. 

Why do minorities need special treatment?   Why doesn't everyone have the same access to apply for jobs to provide you the deep and diverse talent pool?

[Fnord 2,272]

3 minutes ago, CaptainObvious1 said:

Why do minorities need special treatment?   Why doesn't everyone have the same access to apply for jobs to provide you the deep and diverse talent pool?

I'll use one common example. I'm in Minnesota. There is a huge African population here; refugees from Sudan, Ethiopia, Somalia, Kenya, etc. They are majority Muslim. My employer allows them time and accommodations for them to observe their holy days and prayer times. This makes them a more desirable employer for that population. 

The flip side is that accommodating these things is sometimes a royal PITA. And there are a significant amount of people that abuse those privileges. However, we put up with that because the good outweighs the negative. It's kind of like large gov't organizations in that way. Yes, there is fraud and abuse, and we should do everything we can to prevent/punish it. But the net gain far outweighs the negative. When you shut the whole thing down, yes you are preventing fraud and waste. But at what cost? 

[Fnord 2,272]

1 hour ago, Cdub100 said:

Your company can hire all the 400lb black trans furry Xers they want. Nobody is stopping you or the company. 

I would hire hundreds of them before considering you for a position.

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

4 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I'll use one common example. I'm in Minnesota. There is a huge African population here; refugees from Sudan, Ethiopia, Somalia, Kenya, etc. They are majority Muslim. My employer allows them time and accommodations for them to observe their holy days and prayer times. This makes them a more desirable employer for that population. 

The flip side is that accommodating these things is sometimes a royal PITA. And there are a significant amount of people that abuse those privileges. However, we put up with that because the good outweighs the negative. It's kind of like large gov't organizations in that way. Yes, there is fraud and abuse, and we should do everything we can to prevent/punish it. But the net gain far outweighs the negative. When you shut the whole thing down, yes you are preventing fraud and waste. But at what cost? 

So you're saying that before the Biden administration, your racist bosses were allowed to be racist... but now they're forced to be racist?  Interesting. 

[Cdub100 3,908]

7 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I would hire hundreds of them before considering you for a position.

Oy Vey whatever will do.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]

1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I'm trying to understand how DEI allowed you to hire some spectacular employees.  The fact that you even mention DEI means you've ignored White/Asian candidates so you could not possibly know you hired the best spectacular employee or not.  You may have used merit once you used DEI to discriminate and whittle down the pool to just DEI candidates, but you still discriminated if you used DEI.

Help me understand.

I dont really think we need the whites and asians working the fry cooker, maybe the cash register though cause they dont steal

 

[edjr 6,592]

2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I dont really think we need the whites and asians working the fry cooker, maybe the cash register though cause they dont steal

 

white people don’t steal?  

has to be the single dumbest and racist thing ever said 

[Fnord 2,272]

5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

So you're saying that before the Biden administration, your racist bosses were allowed to be racist... but now they're forced to be racist?  Interesting. 

Are you a partisan stooge completely walled off from critical thought, just being obtuse, or a knuckle-dragging idiot?

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

Just now, Fnord said:

Are you a partisan stooge completely walled off from critical thought, just being obtuse, or a knuckle-dragging idiot?

Just calling it like I see it.  Your bosses chose to avoid those types of people, before DEI.  Meaning, they were racist to not be interested in them.  Then, the Biden Administration pushes DEI and now your bosses are forced to look for them, and alienate other races.  Simply, they were allowed to be racist and now forced to be...it's actually cut and dry.  LOL   Not surprised your partisan views block you from seeing it.

[Red White and Blue 81]

2 hours ago, Red White and Blue said:

I’d be interested in seeing any evidence that government agencies are illegally turning down higher qualified white applicants for positions.

Well?   

Anything? Beuller?

[Horseman 2,458]

1 hour ago, kilroy69 said:

You are not a serious person. 

@TrailGuy works from home doing accounts payable for a chitty healthcare company.  He has no clue about hiring people or how DEI was implemented.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,106]

53 minutes ago, Fnord said:

The DEI initiatives my employer undertakes involve recruitment and outreach to minorities. It offers opportunities and accommodations for people of different religions, ethnicities, disabilities, and cultures. It is well known for that. That allows for a more deep and diverse talent pool from which i can hire ON MERIT.

The threat posed is still nebulous, but my understanding is that if Trump criminalizes these initiatives, he can then withhold federal money from organizations if they are found to be "participating" based on whatever arbitrary criteria is decided upon.

If that happens, a lot of vital research grants go away, along with many jobs. Would he try to revoke CMS funding? That alone would sink any hospital or clinic reliant on those funds, which are essentially everything that isn’t a privately owned practice.

Nevermind the panic it has caused amongst employees that are immigrants, LGBTQ, or other targeted minorities. 

Thanks for the detail.  I need to digest this some more. 

[Horseman 2,458]

13 minutes ago, Red White and Blue said:

Anything? Beuller?

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[Fnord 2,272]

19 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Just calling it like I see it.  Your bosses chose to avoid those types of people, before DEI.  Meaning, they were racist to not be interested in them.  Then, the Biden Administration pushes DEI and now your bosses are forced to look for them, and alienate other races.  Simply, they were allowed to be racist and now forced to be...it's actually cut and dry.  LOL   Not surprised your partisan views block you from seeing it.

This was in play long before Biden was elected. You're looking for gotcha's that don't exist. These initiatives can {gasp!} exist without 'alienating other races.' Talk about partisan views. You can't even build a decent strawman.

Thanks for the good faith conversation, though! 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]

28 minutes ago, edjr said:

white people don’t steal?  

has to be the single dumbest and racist thing ever said 

I should have said as much, I was just baiting

 

[Horseman 2,458]

Amazon. Google. Meta. 

All rolling back DEI mandates and goals.

 

[CaptainObvious1 368]

28 minutes ago, Red White and Blue said:

Anything? Beuller?

No one takes you seriously rusty 

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

30 minutes ago, Fnord said:

This was in play long before Biden was elected. You're looking for gotcha's that don't exist. These initiatives can {gasp!} exist without 'alienating other races.' Talk about partisan views. You can't even build a decent strawman.

Thanks for the good faith conversation, though! 

Then why would this matter?  Trump is removing the Biden Administration DEI initiatives.  If Minnesota wasn't using them, then it's a non-issue.  Seems like you're crying at the sky to just... well, cry at the sky.

[Red White and Blue 81]

48 minutes ago, Red White and Blue said:

Anything? Beuller?

Anyone?  

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

2 hours ago, purdygood said:

The company I work for is DEF lacking in DEI policies... who do I talk to about "Including" wayyyyy more recent college graduates who may have been on the USC or UCLA cheerleading squad?

The under representation of athletically fit size two 20-somethings who like to frolick needs to be addressed.  It's past time for this, really, and I comend you for addressing, or seeking to redress the oversight.

[Horseman 2,458]

6 minutes ago, Red White and Blue said:

Anyone?  

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/KB_Jackson_(4x5_cropped).jpg

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

I'll use one common example. I'm in Minnesota. There is a huge African population here; refugees from Sudan, Ethiopia, Somalia, Kenya, etc. They are majority Muslim. My employer allows them time and accommodations for them to observe their holy days and prayer times. This makes them a more desirable employer for that population. 

The flip side is that accommodating these things is sometimes a royal PITA. And there are a significant amount of people that abuse those privileges. However, we put up with that because the good outweighs the negative. It's kind of like large gov't organizations in that way. Yes, there is fraud and abuse, and we should do everything we can to prevent/punish it. But the net gain far outweighs the negative. When you shut the whole thing down, yes you are preventing fraud and waste. But at what cost? 

“Refugees”. More like Obama imports dumped in one locale to turn a purple state blue. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

1 hour ago, Red White and Blue said:

Anything? Beuller?

They lower standards. 

[Red White and Blue 81]

Let me know if the DOJ has any examples of government agencies illegally passing over more qualified white candidates. I definitely wouldn’t support that.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

17 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

“Refugees”. More like Obama imports dumped in one locale to turn a purple state blue. 

A purple state.  Not in my lifetime.  They brought us Humphrey.  They brought us Mondale.  They are the blue in the red map of Reagan.  You cannot begin to understadn 'Sotans until you have lived among them for a decade or more, and even then you probably will not even if you are shacking up with one of their women, can learn to stomach lutefisk, and have your own Icehouse  you put out every year on Lake Minnetonka.  They have an independant streak which is strong.