The Real timschochet 6,402 Posted February 11 The whole Musk thing has led to this bigger issue: https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/10/politics/constitutional-crisis-trump-overhaul-analysis-biskupic/index.html Trump’s team appears to be defying the direct orders of judges. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Girlfriend 208 Posted February 11 15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: The whole Musk thing has led to this bigger issue: https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/10/politics/constitutional-crisis-trump-overhaul-analysis-biskupic/index.html Trump’s team appears to be defying the direct orders of judges. This should be fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,915 Posted February 11 They’ll get it worked out. Here are obviously hand picked radical judges that will easily be overturned and the good work of DOGE will continue. In the meantime the border has never been more secure and the criminals invited into our country by the democrats are being evicted. Many lives will be saved. 2 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 1,944 Posted February 11 34 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: The whole Musk thing has led to this bigger issue: https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/10/politics/constitutional-crisis-trump-overhaul-analysis-biskupic/index.html Trump’s team appears to be defying the direct orders of judges. I'm old enough to remember when Trump said he would be "dicatator" on day 1...looks like its gone beyond the first day... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CaptainObvious1 323 Posted February 11 2 minutes ago, squistion said: I'm old enough to remember when Trump said he would be "dicatator" on day 1...looks like its gone beyond the first day... Oh noes 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,472 Posted February 11 5 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: The whole Musk thing has led to this bigger issue: https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/10/politics/constitutional-crisis-trump-overhaul-analysis-biskupic/index.html Trump’s team appears to be defying the direct orders of judges. Good, Fock them liberal judges. Your kind is going down. I’ve said it before, I am completely okay with a transitional dictatorship that makes the constitution relevant again. Elections have consequences 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,798 Posted February 11 6 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: The whole Musk thing has led to this bigger issue: https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/10/politics/constitutional-crisis-trump-overhaul-analysis-biskupic/index.html Trump’s team appears to be defying the direct orders of judges. Awesome. I'm all in. I love my vote even more now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tree of Knowledge 1,697 Posted February 11 Illegitimate judges appointed by illegitimate administrations. Trump has a mandate and is doing the will of the people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,424 Posted February 11 7 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: The whole Musk thing has led to this bigger issue: https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/10/politics/constitutional-crisis-trump-overhaul-analysis-biskupic/index.html Trump’s team appears to be defying the direct orders of judges. The judges are defying the Constution. They are not the President. The President has every right to see how executive branch organizations are conducting business. If you think these judges are correct, you are a moron. Why on earth would unelected bureaucrats have a right to spend our tax dollars in ways which were not authorized by law and not have any oversight. It is completely absurd what these bastard judges are doing. They are nothing but bootlickers for the authoritarian deep state just like you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 11 42 minutes ago, jonmx said: The judges are defying the Constution. They are not the President. The President has every right to see how executive branch organizations are conducting business. If you think these judges are correct, you are a moron. Why on earth would unelected bureaucrats have a right to spend our tax dollars in ways which were not authorized by law and not have any oversight. It is completely absurd what these bastard judges are doing. They are nothing but bootlickers for the authoritarian deep state just like you. You do realize that by arguing that Trump should defy the judicial branch you are arguing that Trump should defy the constitution right? And you're saying we should have a trump authoritarian state, right? Your post is either the dumbest ever written or you played your hand too far and exposed your account as a troll. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,799 Posted February 11 Honestly this is kinda interesting to me. To see how this plays out. There are legit arguments on both sides. This truly is a battle of the checks and balances. If you enjoy democracy and how our gubbermint is set up, this is compelling 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dizkneelande 1,085 Posted February 11 Didn’t stop Biden from defying the SCOTUS on student loans. That was ok for the leftist retards. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dizkneelande 1,085 Posted February 11 40 minutes ago, supermike80 said: Honestly this is kinda interesting to me. To see how this plays out. There are legit arguments on both sides. This truly is a battle of the checks and balances. If you enjoy democracy and how our gubbermint is set up, this is compelling Not sure the part where the left is allowed to judge shop activists to defy the will of the people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,424 Posted February 11 1 hour ago, TrailGuy said: You do realize that by arguing that Trump should defy the judicial branch you are arguing that Trump should defy the constitution right? And you're saying we should have a trump authoritarian state, right? Your post is either the dumbest ever written or you played your hand too far and exposed your account as a troll. Fuk you, you fuking retard. Nothing you said characterizes what i said. Where the fuk did i say he should defy anything? You are the biddest bootlicking piece of scum here. The judicial branch role is interpreting law. A judges order is only lawful if it is based on law. This judge issued a ruling which he lacks the authority and has no basis in law. There are no laws which prohibit the president from auditing payments nor are the budgets so detailed that some temporary freeze violates them. Further, the judge's demand that Trump destroy records is a clear violation of recird-keeping laws. Trump is appealing this ruling, which is all part of due process. So go fuk yourself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 11 40 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said: Didn’t stop Biden from defying the SCOTUS on student loans. That was ok for the leftist retards. Biden never defied a SCOTUS ruling. You're a liar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,915 Posted February 11 46 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said: Didn’t stop Biden from defying the SCOTUS on student loans. That was ok for the leftist retards. (D) ifferent 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dizkneelande 1,085 Posted February 11 3 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: Biden never defied a SCOTUS ruling. You're a liar. You have an incurable mental disease Far Right BostonGlobe - Defying the Supreme Court on student loans, Biden sets a dangerous precedent Despite Supreme Court ruling, Biden has forgiven student debt for millions. Is it enough for voters? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,051 Posted February 11 WGAF what Biden did? Can you guys defend Trump on his own actions, like ever? 31 minutes ago, jonmx said: The judicial branch role is interpreting law. A judges order is only lawful if it is based on law. This judge issued a ruling which he lacks the authority and has no basis in law. There are no laws which prohibit the president from auditing payments nor are the budgets so detailed that some temporary freeze violates them. Further, the judge's demand that Trump destroy records is a clear violation of recird-keeping laws. Trump is appealing this ruling, which is all part of due process. So go fuk yourself. Got any links for these claims? What records did the judge want destroyed, exactly? I find it very telling that these interpretations of executive power have suddenly sprung up after Trump came into office. If Biden, or worse, Obama, had attempted any of the shlt Trump is now, you'd be in a padded cell right now (assuming you aren't already). None of this is constitutional, and you are an authoritarian that's too dumb to realize it. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,051 Posted February 11 1 hour ago, supermike80 said: Honestly this is kinda interesting to me. To see how this plays out. There are legit arguments on both sides. This truly is a battle of the checks and balances. If you enjoy democracy and how our gubbermint is set up, this is compelling It really is fascinating, and an amazing time to be following politics. I just wish the stakes weren't so high and the potential costs so dire. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 11 33 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said: You have an incurable mental disease Far Right BostonGlobe - Defying the Supreme Court on student loans, Biden sets a dangerous precedent Despite Supreme Court ruling, Biden has forgiven student debt for millions. Is it enough for voters? Oh boyo, bless your little brain, love this for you. The Supreme Court did not rule that Biden is not allowed to cancel or forgive student loans. What the court ruled was that the means in which Biden planned to cancel the debt was using the HEROES Act and the court ruled that this was an overreach and Biden didn't have the authority to do so. So what did Biden do? He complied with the ruling, didn't use the HEROES act, and used other means and other laws to achieve a smaller goal. I called you a liar before but that was wrong. You were just ill informed. Now that you know how this all works, if you repeat the same statement you will be proven to be a liar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 11 1 hour ago, jonmx said: Fuk you, you fuking retard. Nothing you said characterizes what i said. Where the fuk did i say he should defy anything? You are the biddest bootlicking piece of scum here. The judicial branch role is interpreting law. A judges order is only lawful if it is based on law. This judge issued a ruling which he lacks the authority and has no basis in law. There are no laws which prohibit the president from auditing payments nor are the budgets so detailed that some temporary freeze violates them. Further, the judge's demand that Trump destroy records is a clear violation of recird-keeping laws. Trump is appealing this ruling, which is all part of due process. So go fuk yourself. The job of the judicial branch is to interpret law. You can't complain about it when they interpret the law against what you believe. They are doing their job. He can appeal but he has to abide by the ruling unless a stay is granted. That hasn't happened so he's currently in contempt, breaking the law and defying the constitution. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,087 Posted February 11 11 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: The whole Musk thing has led to this bigger issue: https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/10/politics/constitutional-crisis-trump-overhaul-analysis-biskupic/index.html Trump’s team appears to be defying the direct orders of judges. I'm waiting for any of these to get to the Supreme Court and President Trump just waves his Roberts said I can do whatever I want ruling around, so me defying the courts, you said it's legal if it's part of my presidential duties. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,087 Posted February 11 1 minute ago, TrailGuy said: The job of the judicial branch is to interpret law. You can't complain about it when they interpret the law against what you believe. They are doing their job. He can appeal but he has to abide by the ruling unless a stay is granted. That hasn't happened so he's currently in contempt, breaking the law and defying the constitution. People need to stop arguing with jonmx, he would be the guy at Jonestown asking for a refill. 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,915 Posted February 11 58 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said: You have an incurable mental disease Far Right BostonGlobe - Defying the Supreme Court on student loans, Biden sets a dangerous precedent Despite Supreme Court ruling, Biden has forgiven student debt for millions. Is it enough for voters? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828 Posted February 11 14 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said: People need to stop arguing with jonmx, he would be the guy at Jonestown asking for a refill. Very bad analogy. Jon would be the one trying to get the people to STOP drinking it. Y'know, the lefties that are gulping it down. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828 Posted February 11 54 minutes ago, Fnord said: WGAF what Biden did? Can you guys defend Trump on his own actions, like ever? Got any links for these claims? What records did the judge want destroyed, exactly? I find it very telling that these interpretations of executive power have suddenly sprung up after Trump came into office. If Biden, or worse, Obama, had attempted any of the shlt Trump is now, you'd be in a padded cell right now (assuming you aren't already). None of this is constitutional, and you are an authoritarian that's too dumb to realize it. Well, to be fair, this is the crux of the argument - Biden set the precedent. Just like he did with the student loans and pardons. Now, when Trump does the exact same thing the left loses their bacon. You're going to have a hard time convincing people when the left has been doing it the entire time. Why wasn't Democracy so "on the line" when Biden was doing it? And where were the lefty critics decrying "the end of Democracy"? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,353 Posted February 11 This is what WINNING sounds like. Life Losers don't like it. They're allergic to success. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 11 37 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Another one who doesn't have the intelligence to understand the ruling. The only was when the 🪴 hit the Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,799 Posted February 11 2 hours ago, Dizkneelande said: Not sure the part where the left is allowed to judge shop activists to defy the will of the people. Part of the discussion right? Kinda my point. Try to keep up. You have an opinion, cool. The other side has a different opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,143 Posted February 11 12 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: The whole Musk thing has led to this bigger issue: https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/10/politics/constitutional-crisis-trump-overhaul-analysis-biskupic/index.html Trump’s team appears to be defying the direct orders of judges. You mean he is forgiving student loans after being told he could not? Oh wait, wrong President....now we care..... huh.... As a tactic, I get it, they cannot win power so they resort to the legal system weaponization to at least slow him down. Its a familiar tool for them, and they have allies in the legal arena who will do their bidding, and it might buy them some time to set their feet a little. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 11 2 minutes ago, RLLD said: You mean he is forgiving student loans after being told he could not? Oh wait, wrong President....now we care..... huh.... I already dismantled that argument so you can stop lying about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,143 Posted February 11 1 minute ago, TrailGuy said: I already dismantled that argument so you can stop lying about it. Hold the phone, are you now going to try to lie about this topic??? Oh, please do.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,424 Posted February 11 1 hour ago, TrailGuy said: The job of the judicial branch is to interpret law. You can't complain about it when they interpret the law against what you believe. They are doing their job. He can appeal but he has to abide by the ruling unless a stay is granted. That hasn't happened so he's currently in contempt, breaking the law and defying the constitution. What law is he interpreting? He is making an order which is contrary to law which has no legal basis. Appealing an unconstitutional order is not unconstitutional. The judge is trying to assert unlawful authority he does not have and not allowing any due process in doing so. This judge will be put in his place at the Supreme Court level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 11 6 minutes ago, RLLD said: Hold the phone, are you now going to try to lie about this topic??? Oh, please do.... No I'm telling the truth, and you can read my post earlier about it, then you can stop lying and saying that Biden was told he couldn't forgive student loans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,424 Posted February 11 12 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: The whole Musk thing has led to this bigger issue: https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/10/politics/constitutional-crisis-trump-overhaul-analysis-biskupic/index.html Trump’s team appears to be defying the direct orders of judges. Trump is appealing the ruling. The judge can scream and shout all he wants, but Trump gets a chance to have some honest judge overturn such an obviously unlawful order. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 11 12 minutes ago, jonmx said: What law is he interpreting? He is making an order which is contrary to law which has no legal basis. Appealing an unconstitutional order is not unconstitutional. The judge is trying to assert unlawful authority he does not have and not allowing any due process in doing so. This judge will be put in his place at the Supreme Court level. He is interpreting the United States Constitution. Also the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.rid.58912/gov.uscourts.rid.58912.96.0_5.pdf https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/can-a-president-refuse-to-spend-funds-approved-by-congress Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,143 Posted February 11 11 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: No I'm telling the truth, and you can read my post earlier about it, then you can stop lying and saying that Biden was told he couldn't forgive student loans. Well, since you have decided to lie about what transpired.... • The Public Service Loan Forgiveness(PSLF) through which Biden delivered about $78.46 billion forgiven for nearly 1.1 million borrowers. • Borrower Defense to Repayment: Relief was provided to students defrauded by institutions, leading to over $52.7 billion in loan discharges. • Total and Permanent Disability Discharge: Borrowers with total and permanent disabilities received loan forgiveness, contributing to the overall debt relief efforts. • Saving on a Valuable Education (SAVE) Plan: Introduced to reduce monthly payments and offer forgiveness after a set period, the SAVE plan aimed to make repayment more manageable. • In August 2022, Biden proposed canceling up to $10,000 in federal student loan debt for most borrowers and up to $20,000 for Pell Grant recipients, targeting individuals earning less than $125,000 annually. However, the U.S. Supreme Court blocked this plan in 2023. BUT In January 2025, the administration announced over $600 million in debt cancellation for 8,650 borrowers, focusing on those in income-driven repayment plans and individuals defrauded by certain institutions. Overall, the Biden administration approved approximately $188.8 billion in student loan forgiveness for 5.3 million borrowers.......even though a court told him he could not..... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,143 Posted February 11 11 minutes ago, jonmx said: Trump is appealing the ruling. The judge can scream and shout all he wants, but Trump gets a chance to have some honest judge overturn such an obviously unlawful order. Of course he is, and not unlike the other court cases against him which would be turned over on appeal.......the Democrats and their cronies in the DOJ already know this. But this is about delay now, they want to delay and delay......otherwise, the American people might benefit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 11 1 minute ago, RLLD said: Well, since you have decided to lie about what transpired.... • The Public Service Loan Forgiveness(PSLF) through which Biden delivered about $78.46 billion forgiven for nearly 1.1 million borrowers. • Borrower Defense to Repayment: Relief was provided to students defrauded by institutions, leading to over $52.7 billion in loan discharges. • Total and Permanent Disability Discharge: Borrowers with total and permanent disabilities received loan forgiveness, contributing to the overall debt relief efforts. • Saving on a Valuable Education (SAVE) Plan: Introduced to reduce monthly payments and offer forgiveness after a set period, the SAVE plan aimed to make repayment more manageable. • In August 2022, Biden proposed canceling up to $10,000 in federal student loan debt for most borrowers and up to $20,000 for Pell Grant recipients, targeting individuals earning less than $125,000 annually. However, the U.S. Supreme Court blocked this plan in 2023. BUT In January 2025, the administration announced over $600 million in debt cancellation for 8,650 borrowers, focusing on those in income-driven repayment plans and individuals defrauded by certain institutions. Overall, the Biden administration approved approximately $188.8 billion in student loan forgiveness for 5.3 million borrowers.......even though a court told him he could not..... The Supreme Court did not rule that Biden is not allowed to cancel or forgive student loans. What the court ruled was that the means in which Biden planned to cancel the debt was using the HEROES Act and the court ruled that this was an overreach and Biden didn't have the authority to do so. So what did Biden do? He complied with the ruling, didn't use the HEROES act, and used other means and other laws to achieve a smaller goal. I called you a liar before but that was wrong. You were just ill informed. Now that you know how this all works, if you repeat the same statement you will be proven to be a liar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
