Hardworking Americans speaking out against Republicans

[Hardcore troubadour 14,966]

“Hardworking” Americans can’t respond to an e-mail.  

[Fnord 2,056]

16 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

So you changed from white flag to saying I'm right, and you'll move on to the next distraction from the MSM.

A person of Musk's stature, with a company that launches rockets, is inevitably going to run into some perceived conflicts of interest.  When he uses your and TrailGuy's retirement funds to cut himself a check, let me know.

If you need another, here is one.  Neo nazi! 

Young engineer posted racist stuff!  Constitution!  Not elected! Billionaire!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the bolded a major part of Trump's platform? All those awful unelected bureaucrats with the audacity to follow legalities by telling him "no?"

And, my bad, I was under the impression that we were still looking to honor the constitution. As I'm not part of the MAGA distribution list, I'm not privy to the newest talking points. Apparently y'all have just given up on that antiquated document. I have seen some fun new terms pop up from the MAGA hive mind lately though. Cute little messages about nothing being illegal whilst saving the country, billions of dollars going to Maxine Waters, millions for condoms in Gaza, activist judges, the judiciary not being allowed to prevent executive action (my new personal favorite), stuff like that.

At this point I'm starting to give up on even the level headed conservatives, which you have been. It seems there is little or nothing Mump can do that you will object to, despite spending the last four years yelping about practically everything the last POTUS did, right down to bowel movements. Conflicts of interest only matter to beta soy boys during Democratic administrations, amirite?

[Fnord 2,056]

24 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

I'm not a conservative.

Neither is this admin. You'll be fine.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,966]

Considering last week was another 4 day work week, how hard can this be? 

[Horseman 2,376]

30-40% more holidays than the private sector. II

[Red White and Blue 81]

29 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

A person of Musk's stature, with a company that launches rockets, is inevitably going to run into some perceived conflicts of interest. 

That’s why you don’t hire him as an auditor!  

[The Girlfriend 208]

21 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the bolded a major part of Trump's platform? All those awful unelected bureaucrats with the audacity to follow legalities by telling him "no?"

And, my bad, I was under the impression that we were still looking to honor the constitution. As I'm not part of the MAGA distribution list, I'm not privy to the newest talking points. Apparently y'all have just given up on that antiquated document. I have seen some fun new terms pop up from the MAGA hive mind lately though. Cute little messages about nothing being illegal whilst saving the country, billions of dollars going to Maxine Waters, millions for condoms in Gaza, activist judges, the judiciary not being allowed to prevent executive action (my new personal favorite), stuff like that.

At this point I'm starting to give up on even the level headed conservatives, which you have been. It seems there is little or nothing Mump can do that you will object to, despite spending the last four years yelping about practically everything the last POTUS did, right down to bowel movements. Conflicts of interest only matter to beta soy boys during Democratic administrations, amirite?

You must be new around here.

[jerryskids 6,579]

9 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the bolded a major part of Trump's platform? All those awful unelected bureaucrats with the audacity to follow legalities by telling him "no?"

And, my bad, I was under the impression that we were still looking to honor the constitution. As I'm not part of the MAGA distribution list, I'm not privy to the newest talking points. Apparently y'all have just given up on that antiquated document. I have seen some fun new terms pop up from the MAGA hive mind lately though. Cute little messages about nothing being illegal whilst saving the country, billions of dollars going to Maxine Waters, millions for condoms in Gaza, activist judges, the judiciary not being allowed to prevent executive action (my new personal favorite), stuff like that.

At this point I'm starting to give up on even the level headed conservatives, which you have been. It seems there is little or nothing Mump can do that you will object to, despite spending the last four years yelping about practically everything the last POTUS did, right down to bowel movements. Conflicts of interest only matter to beta soy boys during Democratic administrations, amirite?

Perhaps you missed my biotch-slapping the "non-elected" trope a week or two ago, but:  tell me who you voted for to head Treasury?  Any cabinet position?  Oh yeah, those aren't elected positions.  And yet, the MSDNC filled the Leftist hive mind with "non-elected$#@!" and the usual cast of characters were here beating that drum.  I don't recall specifically if you were in that group.

Regarding the constitution, when Trump violates it, it should be resolved.  For now I've seen things like "he's pausing payments" which, too my knowledge, is not unconstitutional.  Accusations of making cuts so deep that they are tantamount to eliminating departments is a valid discussion, but it is a complex situation which needs to be adjudicated.

I see you ignored the "neo-Nazi!" point from your previous post.

As Scott Adams once said, you and I are watching different movies.  I could confidently rewrite your second paragraph regarding the Leftist hive following its marching orders.  That's how this sub-topic started:  MDC crying "billionaire" just because it's been seared into his brain.  Your last paragraph, I could easily replace "will" with "won't."  

Right:  Look at all these USAID boondoggles.

Left:  Young engineers!  Racist posts!

Right:  There are trillions of dollars unaccounted for in Treasury spending.

Left:  Unelected!  Unconstitutional!  Musk is worth $393B and he's going to sell my info on the CEO/billionaire black market!

I just don't think we can have a discussion on this.  I've disagreed with things they are doing, but when you enter a conversation with "neo-nazi," I don't view it as a serious discussion.

[TrailGuy 552]

Jerry, any official of musk's responsibility needs to be appointed and confirmed by the advice and consent of the Senate.  They are voted on on the Senate.  That's the issue here.  Not that musk needs to be elected in a general election you pudding brain.

[Mike Honcho 5,124]

2 hours ago, Strike said:

Then those people can sue, right?

That will do wonders for efficiency and saving money. 

[Horseman 2,376]

3 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

Jerry, any official of musk's responsibility needs to be appointed and confirmed by the advice and consent of the Senate.  They are voted on on the Senate.  That's the issue here.  Not that musk needs to be elected in a general election you pudding brain.

Fnord put up the unelected strawman dummy. 

No he doest, but even if he did who cares. Trump's confirmations are 19-0. 

You really suck at this.  

[shadrap 223]

7 hours ago, jbycho said:

When I was working, for my whole career, I sent out status daily. For myself, my team, my overall functional and technical area, including my vendors, the business, all of it. With numerous logical data points that make up status for the project. 

All groups would talk through the current status of open defects, open issues, ETA resolution dates, etc...every morning. Daily status meeting.

If I, or anyone else assigned to be point on their areas were unable to do this effectively and efficiently, No more job.   

People only struggled if they don't know what the fock they are doing. 

so in other words you took your job & salary seriously & worked your ass off?

just like I did in the private sector.  Government "workers"??  More like on the government dole.

 

[5-Points 3,399]

9 hours ago, TrailGuy said:

The people that I've read stories about a high number of them.  I know the narrative is that govt employees all get paid millions while sitting around watching Netflix but this couldn't be further from the truth.

Then they shouldn't have a problem coming up with a list of things they accomplished on the job last week. 

If they can't, they shouldn't be receiving a paycheck in the first place. 

HTH

[jbycho 611]

2 hours ago, shadrap said:

so in other words you took your job & salary seriously & worked your ass off?

just like I did in the private sector.  Government "workers"??  More like on the government dole.

 

Yep. 

[TrailGuy 552]

1 hour ago, 5-Points said:

Then they shouldn't have a problem coming up with a list of things they accomplished on the job last week. 

If they can't, they shouldn't be receiving a paycheck in the first place. 

HTH

It isn't a matter of they can or they can't.  It's a matter of why should they.

[The Real timschochet 6,472]

As I wrote earlier I really didn’t think this email story was that big a deal. But now Trump has backed away from it, and Musk is acting like the whole thing was all a big joke the whole time: 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2025/02/24/musk-email-government-confusion/

Pretty embarrassing. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,866]

Anyone remember the days when the left lost their s*** about people losing their jobs during covid? And not taking the covid vaccine?  Yeah, me neither. 

But, boy, send them an email and they're suddenly screaming that the world is ending.

[5-Points 3,399]

26 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

It isn't a matter of they can or they can't.  It's a matter of why should they.

To justify their tax payer funded salaries.  

[seafoam1 2,810]

32 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

It isn't a matter of they can or they can't.  It's a matter of why should they.

Because they are being directed to by people who can fire them if they don't comply. 

Other than that, let them ignore it. 

[KSB2424 3,148]

I agree, this young lady says it all. 
 

https://x.com/realann_29/status/1894158697699459437?s=46&t=r0y3bJ1CDXchoYAztDxmqw

[TrailGuy 552]

14 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

To justify their tax payer funded salaries.  

One email is going to justify their job?  How dumb are you?

[TrailGuy 552]

7 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Because they are being directed to by people who can fire them if they don't comply. 

Other than that, let them ignore it. 

Elon musk can fire anyone in govt he wants now?

[KSB2424 3,148]

4 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

One email is going to justify their job?  How dumb are you?

It’s a litmus test, just to ensure people on payroll are actually employed and performing a task.  That is how ridiculous this is, not the question but the fact it has to be asked. 

[TrailGuy 552]

1 minute ago, KSB2424 said:

It’s a litmus test, just to ensure people on payroll are actually employed and performing a task.  That is how ridiculous this is, not the question but the fact it has to be asked. 

Using an email reply to verify employment is as dumb as it gets.  Even more ridiculous than necessitating it.

[Tebok 330]

8 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

It’s a litmus test, just to ensure people on payroll are actually employed and performing a task.  That is how ridiculous this is, not the question but the fact it has to be asked. 

This is the dumbest thing posted today!

How about looking at the payroll and getting managers to verify that those people work there.

[Tebok 330]

8 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

Using an email reply to verify employment is as dumb as it gets.  Even more ridiculous than necessitating it.

I don't even know where to begin with pointing out the stupidity of that post.

[seafoam1 2,810]

16 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

Elon musk can fire anyone in govt he wants now?

Ok, so no one is getting axed? Then what's all the whining about DOGE. 

We're all good then. Everyone's job is safe. Cool. Next topic. 

[5-Points 3,399]

6 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

One email is going to justify their job?  How dumb are you?

I can see you're a little slow, so let me see if I can spell it out for you. 

If they can come up with some on the job accomplishments, they get to keep their jobs. If they can't, they get their walking papers. Why should taxpayers continue to provide them a living if they can't point to anything they've done to earn a paycheck? 

I'm held to standards at work, government workers should be too. Being held accountable has consequences. But I guess it might be a scary thought for somebody who spends all day posting on a message board instead of being productive. 

 

[KSB2424 3,148]

6 minutes ago, Tebok said:

I don't even know where to begin with pointing out the stupidity of that post.

It’s insane, I agree.  I’m not sure we’re fully on the same page though. 

[seafoam1 2,810]

23 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

Using an email reply to verify employment is as dumb as it gets.  Even more ridiculous than necessitating it.

You never worked in a job that communicates daily through emails? Holy crap. Were you a garbage man or something? Or maybe a barista? Or did you sell women's shoes at Macy's? 

We had mandatory corporate training requirements communicated via email. Project meetings that we were required to attend communicated via email. Assignments and updates and status requests via email. It's a key communication device in most corporate and government projects. It's also a very effective way to show proof of communication, and emails hold key information coming from a sender that is often saved by the recipient for proof of changes in requirements, designs, instructions etc. It's better than the spoken word over the phone because that allows for deniability. Emails are also used for giving links to key points and locations of data. Docusigning important documentation, including legal approvals, as well as instructions etc. I filed my taxes over the internet this year and they sent me key confirmation info in an email. 

You all live in the 1950s still. 

 

[KSB2424 3,148]

10 minutes ago, Tebok said:

This is the dumbest thing posted today!

How about looking at the payroll and getting managers to verify that those people work there.

I know, seems wild and easy doesn’t it? 

[seafoam1 2,810]

7 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

I know, seems wild and easy doesn’t it? 

No. They already know those people are getting paid. This is a key point of understanding here: They want to know why they are getting paid. Looking at a pay stub tells you one thing, they are being paid by the government. Nothing more. 

[Tebok 330]

10 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

I know, seems wild and easy doesn’t it? 

Reckless, inefficient and ineffective would be terms more appropriate for this shitshow.

[KSB2424 3,148]

I feel like I’m playing cards with my brother’s kids or something.  

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,246]

6 hours ago, TrailGuy said:

Jerry, any official of musk's responsibility needs to be appointed and confirmed by the advice and consent of the Senate.  They are voted on on the Senate.  That's the issue here.  Not that musk needs to be elected in a general election you pudding brain.

tell me, what day was the senate hearing for Obama's doge guy?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,246]

1 hour ago, KSB2424 said:

I know, seems wild and easy doesn’t it? 

when these offices decided that the vast majority can work remote, how would a manager know this?

 

[seafoam1 2,810]

15 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

when these offices decided that the vast majority can work remote, how would a manager know this?

 

These are people have no clue on how email is used in the business world. It's high level of importance and use in communication.

They think of it similar to their personal G-mail accounts that they look at randomly with all the spam and their friends tik tok links. 

Just because these government people are being paid, it doesn't mean they are doing anything. THAT is the whole reason for this investigation. 

Liberals don't get it.

[Reality 3,105]

Local liberals punching the sky. 

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1894087646814650374 

Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll:

- 66% say Democrats should take a wait-and-see approach to Trump's actions.
- 66% say Democrats should join the mission to cut government waste.
- 52% say Democrats deliberately kept the border open for illegal aliens.
- 70% say hiring should be based on merit & objective evaluation.
- 67% say the U.S. debt is unsustainable.
- 83% say the government should balance the budget.
- 69% support cutting $1 trillion in government spending.
- 77% support a full review of all government spending.
- 72% support a government agency focused on efficiency.

[TrailGuy 552]

7 hours ago, 5-Points said:

I can see you're a little slow, so let me see if I can spell it out for you. 

If they can come up with some on the job accomplishments, they get to keep their jobs. If they can't, they get their walking papers. Why should taxpayers continue to provide them a living if they can't point to anything they've done to earn a paycheck? 

I'm held to standards at work, government workers should be too. Being held accountable has consequences. But I guess it might be a scary thought for somebody who spends all day posting on a message board instead of being productive. 

 

Ok let me spell it out for you.

When cutting staff and looking for underperformers, the absolute dumbest idea you can think of is asking THE EMPLOYEE how valuable they are to keep around.  Do you honestly think that an underperformer is going to reply with "yeah I watched Netflix"?  You cannot be this stupid.

To explain further, a slacking employee will just make up some BS to justify their job.  Doge is going to get millions of these emails.  They are not going to read them nor are they going to fact check them.  It's nonsensical.  The true reason for doing this is to harass and intimidate.

Further, are you suggesting that musk has the power to fire anyone in anyone in any department of government?  That's insane also.

The whole thing makes zero sense.

Look we've all been through layoffs.  Has anyone ever laid off via an email like this?  No.  Companies use performance reviews, analytics, cost basis, etc.  At the crudest, ask each manager if there are any low performers that they can do without and that's more effective than a mass email.

Jeebus boyo think for yourself for a change. Stop gargling musk's balls.

[TrailGuy 552]

2 minutes ago, Reality said:

Local liberals punching the sky. 

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1894087646814650374 

Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll:

- 66% say Democrats should take a wait-and-see approach to Trump's actions.
- 66% say Democrats should join the mission to cut government waste.
- 52% say Democrats deliberately kept the border open for illegal aliens.
- 70% say hiring should be based on merit & objective evaluation.
- 67% say the U.S. debt is unsustainable.
- 83% say the government should balance the budget.
- 69% support cutting $1 trillion in government spending.
- 77% support a full review of all government spending.
- 72% support a government agency focused on efficiency.

Trump added more debt than any other president, has never balanced a budget, wasted millions of dollars golfing and going to sporting events, has proposed a $4T debt hike...

This. Is. Not. About. Saving. Money.