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1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Do you have daughters?  Same question as I just posed to Rusty.  :cheers: 

Nope.

Look I don’t give a shet about women’s volleyball, track and field, what have you. That is beside the point and I agree that this is unfair. I don’t know enough to speak to how this should be handled, file that again under don’t care.

It’s just crazy to me the number of times this topic is brought up in this place. It’s wild. It’s not just the sport events it’s like pages of transgendered topics.

 

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2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Nope.

Look I don’t give a shet about women’s volleyball, track and field, what have you. That is beside the point and I agree that this is unfair. I don’t know enough to speak to how this should be handled, file that again under don’t care.

It’s just crazy to me the number of times this topic is brought up in this place. It’s wild. It’s not just the sport events it’s like pages of transgendered topics.

 

It’s a hot button issue.  I mean, I know you are slow but Christ don’t be dumb too.

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1 minute ago, Alias Detective said:

It’s a hot button issue.  I mean, I know you are slow but Christ don’t be dumb too.

Is it? Where does this rank in issues for you?

For me is quite low and odd that it is discussed here at such length.

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13 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I couldn’t care less. This place where I see this topic brought up…all the time. Some might say it’s an odd obsession. Make sure you clear you browser history often!

I know you are a sports fan.  Women are being made to compete against men.  I think the point being that it is unfair to women.  I'm not on a street corner with a sign on this but it makes no sense & I realize the unfairness of it.  You do to but prefer not to talk about or think about  it as it shows your party affiliation is out to lunch on this issue.

the end.

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1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Is it? Where does this rank in issues for you?

For me is quite low and odd that it is discussed here at such length.

Yet you spend so much time on it. Who's the actual fool? That would be you. 

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I thought Trump put an end to this?  Has this person’s school lost their federal funding?

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20 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Do you have daughters, Rusty?  I'm guessing not.  I remember you having sons, but not daughters.  If you had daughters, I would find it hard to believe that you would be so flippant about this topic.

I know this question wasn't directed at me and please excuse me for butting in Jerry, but when I was a kid in the late 70's /early 80's, playing competitive sports, when we had some culture warrior insist we had to allow a girl on the team, we all hated it because we knew it would make us less competitive. And we were right. 

I don't have kids but if I did, I wouldn't allow my son to ruin girls sports anymore than I would allow my daughter to ruin boys sports. 

Only a failure of a father would allow his son or daughter to inject themselves into a team or organization where they don't belong. You're only subjecting them to scorn, ridicule and resentment by doing so. Why would you do that to your kid? 

 

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6 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Nope.

Look I don’t give a shet about women’s volleyball, track and field, what have you. That is beside the point and I agree that this is unfair. I don’t know enough to speak to how this should be handled, file that again under don’t care.

It’s just crazy to me the number of times this topic is brought up in this place. It’s wild. It’s not just the sport events it’s like pages of transgendered topics.

 

Well, I have two daughters, thankfully both in their 20s so they don't have to deal with this in school.  Both are athletic, and one in particular could have gotten a college softball scholarship had she chosen to stick with it.  The other did competitive dance, which probably wasn't under attack by doods wanting to be girls.  

Basically, I'm waiting to hear from somebody who has daughters who compete athletically, who doesn't think this is a big issue.  

Otherwise, we have this situation where you folks on the left say that trans guys in womens sports are so rare as to not be on the radar, yet you complain that there are too many threads about how often it seems to be happening.  A conundrum wrapped in an enigma, some might say.  :dunno: 

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1 minute ago, shadrap said:

I know you are a sports fan.  Women are being made to compete against men.  I think the point being that it is unfair to women.  I'm not on a street corner with a sign on this but it makes no sense & I realize the unfairness of it.  You do to but prefer not to talk about or think about  it as it shows your party affiliation is out to lunch on this issue.

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Love sports and agree that this is unfair. That it is so discussed here, and let’s be honest most of the threads aren’t about sports, is wild.

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4 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

I know this question wasn't directed at me and please excuse me for butting in Jerry, but when I was a kid in the late 70's /early 80's, playing competitive sports, when we had some culture warrior insist we had to allow a girl on the team, we all hated it because we knew it would make us less competitive. And we were right. 

I don't have kids but if I did, I wouldn't allow my son to participate in girls sports anymore than I would allow my daughter to ruin boys sports. 

Only a failure of a father would allow his son or daughter to inject themselves into a team or organization where they don't belong. You're only subjecting them to scorn, ridicule and resentment by doing so. Why would you do that to your kid? 

 

No need to apologize, this is a discussion bored, your input is welcome.  :cheers: 

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7 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Well, I have two daughters, thankfully both in their 20s so they don't have to deal with this in school.  Both are athletic, and one in particular could have gotten a college softball scholarship had she chosen to stick with it.  The other did competitive dance, which probably wasn't under attack by doods wanting to be girls.  

Basically, I'm waiting to hear from somebody who has daughters who compete athletically, who doesn't think this is a big issue.  

Otherwise, we have this situation where you folks on the left say that trans guys in womens sports are so rare as to not be on the radar, yet you complain that there are too many threads about how often it seems to be happening.  A conundrum wrapped in an enigma, some might say.  :dunno: 

Fair enough. The sports angle I agree is unfair. 

Do a search of this place for “tranny” like 90% of the threads aren’t related to sports whatsoever however.

The vast majority of my awareness of trans issues come from topics on this forum. That is bizarre to me. Maybe I am just not as well rounded on current affairs, more so “the pulse of the nation” I suppose as others on here.

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13 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Yet you spend so much time on it. Who's the actual fool? That would be you. 

Well Peefoam, I think this is the most I have ever participated in one of these hundreds of threads about the Trans community in the Geek Club. 

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8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

No need to apologize, this is a discussion bored, your input is welcome.  :cheers: 

I know you were hoping to illicit an honest response from a couple of posters. I didn't want to sh!t on it but couldn't help myself.    :cheers:

 

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14 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I thought Trump put an end to this?  Has this person’s school lost their federal funding?

Do you know anything?

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1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Well Peefoam, I think this is the most I have ever participated in one of these hundreds of threads about the Trans community in the Geek Club. 

There pee guy is again. 

He said this isn't happening, now he says it's happening all over the place.

Pee occupies his thoughts I guess. :dunno:

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18 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I thought Trump put an end to this?  Has this person’s school lost their federal funding?

Welcome back Tim, we missed you!  Well, I missed you, I enjoy our discussions.  I noticed you also have posted quite a bit in the Signal/Houthi thread.  Are these both examples of your desire to return to support Trump and your general center-right politics?  :dunno: 

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26 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Welcome back Tim, we missed you!  Well, I missed you, I enjoy our discussions.  I noticed you also have posted quite a bit in the Signal/Houthi thread.  Are these both examples of your desire to return to support Trump and your general center-right politics?  :dunno: 

Correct.

My post in this thread was serious.  I agree this is an issue, and I thought Trump has said he would pull federal funding from schools that allow it.  Honestly I was initially going to comment about the OP’s wording of “season record,” because I believe this was only a meet between 2 teams, and the “record” was simply the runner’s personal record.  However a quick search reveals this runner won a girl’s state championship last year, so this is an instance where the competitive balance is being disrupted (unlike the San Jose State volleyball player for example).

As far as the Signal thread, as I’ve stated in the past, my issue isn’t so much with most of the Republican politicians themselves (I wouldn’t necessarily say anyone should be fired over this, but it is amusing to watch them go into CYA mode - actually maybe Waltz should be fired given his obvious lies), it’s moreso with the hypocritical sheep that will believe everything they get from the playbook.  I find it especially funny that it seems people (not necessarily here) are simultaneously arguing that the information is a nothingburger, but also that Goldberg should be prosecuted.

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I have a daughter who runs track as a distance runner. She’s not a threat to win the state or anything but she was the only one in her class to run varsity this year at every meet as a freshman. Our school is in the largest classification in the state and the best region for track and field, xc, all the running sports. 
 

The difference in her time and a boy who finishes about the same spot as she does in varsity meets is about an entire minute in the 1600m (1 mile). We have a freshman guy who is in about her same spot as she is just on the boys side. If he ran in the girls races he would win the state meet if he ran his best that day. He won’t even qualify for our sectionals though in the boys division. 
 

Another reference point is we have a senior girl who got a D1 scholarship to run distance who runs the 1600 in the 5:20s. So clearly she’s pretty good in the girls division, will qualify for our state finals meet which is top 16 qualifiers in the state. This freshman boy who I mentioned earlier and is pretty good for a freshman but very average in varsity standings and has run some junior varsity for us broke 5:00 on the 1600 already this year. 
 

It’s not even a question of if the boys are better but more if you are a male and can’t win track meets against females you really aren’t any good at it. To say it’s unfair to allow males to compete against females in track is an understatement. 

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It’s very unfair. And- something that nobody talks about- I’m convinced it’s unfair for transgender people as well. 

Most transgender people aren’t athletes, much less athletes competing for championships. They just want to be left alone to live their lives. But as long as these stories occur they are going to be grouped in with these few individuals which adds to atmosphere against trans. 

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Jerry is interested in other posters' daughters.

Not surprised.

All the MAGAs around here obsess over children and trannies, day after day after day.

Weird.

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3 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

That was too make a point. Remember when @Tebok and @The Real timschochet cheered Tesla dealers burning? 

MAGA: ELECTRIC CARS! FOOK YOU, ELECTRIC CARS! DRILL, BABY, DRILL! :mad:

MAGA: Our Tesla dealers are burning. 🙁

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1 hour ago, Tebok said:

MAGA: ELECTRIC CARS! FOOK YOU, ELECTRIC CARS! DRILL, BABY, DRILL! :mad:

MAGA: Our Tesla dealers are burning. 🙁

Dang. Pimpledoosh is losing it. 

This is all liberals have left to live for in life. Whining. 

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7 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Is it? Where does this rank in issues for you?

For me is quite low and odd that it is discussed here at such length.

What makes men in the women's bathroom, or men in women's sports, or drag queen story hour such a damaging issue for Dems is that it's a low priority for liberal voters but a high priority for moderate and conservative ones. We DO vote based on this issue.

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9 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Is it? Where does this rank in issues for you?

For me is quite low and odd that it is discussed here at such length.

You obviously don't have any Women in your life to ask. It's easy for you to say that it's a non-issue. 

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1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

You obviously don't have any Women in your life to ask. It's easy for you to say that it's a non-issue. 

We know trannies are your #1 issue.

And your top Pornhub search. 🌈 😂 

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Shitlibs hate this subject. Big loser at the polls. Helped cost them elections and will continue to do so. Let’s keep it out there! 

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15 minutes ago, MDC said:

We know trannies are your #1 issue.

And your top Pornhub search. 🌈 😂 

From the Single Meth Headed Cat person 😂 🌈 

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12 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Well, I have two daughters, thankfully both in their 20s so they don't have to deal with this in school.  Both are athletic, and one in particular could have gotten a college softball scholarship had she chosen to stick with it.  The other did competitive dance, which probably wasn't under attack by doods wanting to be girls.  

Basically, I'm waiting to hear from somebody who has daughters who compete athletically, who doesn't think this is a big issue.  

Otherwise, we have this situation where you folks on the left say that trans guys in womens sports are so rare as to not be on the radar, yet you complain that there are too many threads about how often it seems to be happening.  A conundrum wrapped in an enigma, some might say.  :dunno: 

I have daughters. I guess you'd have to define "big issue" to me. Because I feel like the sports thing affects a portion of their life and the women's health things will affect them longer. So I'd consider the latter a bigger issue to me. 

I think it is something that should be addressed with transgender women competing but I do think it is not an issue to the level that one would think it is if they popped in here for a few days. And I think we could probably all agree that Overkill is weirdly obsessed with the issue. 

Save Women’s Sports, a leading voice in the bid to ban transgender athletes from competing in girls’ sports, identified only five transgender athletes competing on girls’ teams in school sports for grades K through 12. Additionally of the 332 million citizens of the US- 300k are between the ages of 13 and 17 AND identify as transgender (1.3 million total identify as transgender). That is like 1% of the population. And I've made the point before here that the Democrats are silly to focus on laws that affect such a low portion of the population. But again- if you came here someone would think there are transgender people overrunning every town in America. 

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4 hours ago, Voltaire said:

What makes men in the women's bathroom, or men in women's sports, or drag queen story hour such a damaging issue for Dems is that it's a low priority for liberal voters but a high priority for moderate and conservative ones. We DO vote based on this issue.

It’s a high priority for conservative voters who were going to vote Republican anyway.  It’s a consideration for moderate voters, but not near the top of the list of priorities.

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Even after Roe v Wade being shutdown by Trump his numbers with women increased. This issue was a strong part of that. 

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12 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Do you have daughters?  Same question as I just posed to Rusty.  :cheers: 

I thought the general was rusty?  Is he gutterboy then?

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3 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

You obviously don't have any Women in your life to ask. It's easy for you to say that it's a non-issue. 

I have a wife, I have many women friends, I work with many women. This is not a high priority issue with any of them that I am aware of and the topic has never come up. Among my male friends I don’t recall ever discussing this either.

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5 hours ago, Voltaire said:

What makes men in the women's bathroom, or men in women's sports, or drag queen story hour such a damaging issue for Dems is that it's a low priority for liberal voters but a high priority for moderate and conservative ones. We DO vote based on this issue.

I think this is pretty accurate.

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1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I thought the general was rusty?  Is he gutterboy then?

Neither, he is his own special self.  He lives in CHAZ or thereabouts near Seattle.  I believe @DonShas had beers with him.

Amazingly, we do occasionally get new people.  I have no idea why... :unsure: 

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I’d say what really turned people off on the issue is not so much the sports but ass-hole teachers and administrators keeping information about their kids away from the parents. 

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2 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

I have daughters. I guess you'd have to define "big issue" to me. Because I feel like the sports thing affects a portion of their life and the women's health things will affect them longer. So I'd consider the latter a bigger issue to me. 

I think it is something that should be addressed with transgender women competing but I do think it is not an issue to the level that one would think it is if they popped in here for a few days. And I think we could probably all agree that Overkill is weirdly obsessed with the issue. 

Save Women’s Sports, a leading voice in the bid to ban transgender athletes from competing in girls’ sports, identified only five transgender athletes competing on girls’ teams in school sports for grades K through 12. Additionally of the 332 million citizens of the US- 300k are between the ages of 13 and 17 AND identify as transgender (1.3 million total identify as transgender). That is like 1% of the population. And I've made the point before here that the Democrats are silly to focus on laws that affect such a low portion of the population. But again- if you came here someone would think there are transgender people overrunning every town in America.

A few things.

Since you didn't source your data, I looked it up.  According to a CDC survey, 3.3% of high school students identify as trans, with another 2.2% questioning.  

https://abcnews.go.com/US/3-us-high-schoolers-identify-transgender-cdc-survey/story?id=114619209

That's one in 20 to 30 students.  As such I'm incredulous at your "only five" data.  How many kids are on a track team?  Soccer team?  That is backed up by the number of threads here about it.  Your take on it, and the attempted diversions of Lefties who don't like to confront the topic, is to pull the "yet another trans thread$#@!" card.  But, it's not like people are making up the contents of the threads in question.  Have you asked yourself how there can be so many threads on this topic, if it is as rare as you assert?  :dunno: 

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2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

A few things.

Since you didn't source your data, I looked it up.  According to a CDC survey, 3.3% of high school students identify as trans, with another 2.2% questioning.  

https://abcnews.go.com/US/3-us-high-schoolers-identify-transgender-cdc-survey/story?id=114619209

That's one in 20 to 30 students.  As such I'm incredulous at your "only five" data.  How many kids are on a track team?  Soccer team?  That is backed up by the number of threads here about it.  Your take on it, and the attempted diversions of Lefties who don't like to confront the topic, is to pull the "yet another trans thread$#@!" card.  But, it's not like people are making up the contents of the threads in question.  Have you asked yourself how there can be so many threads on this topic, if it is as rare as you assert?  :dunno: 

As of 2021 there were 17.3 million students in high schools (public and private- that would not account for home schooled students I'd assume). I did say where the source came from but I'll go with what you want to go with.

570,900 students in high school identify as trans. So from that we can roll in some other findings (in bold are the sources cited in the study...as best I can access them)

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At the high school level, one study using data from the Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance System (“YRBSS”) found that 40.7% of transgender youth grades 9-12 played on at least one sports team.26 Applying that estimate to the population of transgender youth aged 13-17 suggests that as many as 122,000 transgender youth could be participating in high school-level team athletics. To produce this number, we applied the participation percentage derived by Perry and Frazer, Id., to the population estimate produced by Herman, Flores and O’Neill, supra note 20.

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While better data are needed to understand the number of transgender student-athletes participating in the complex network of collegiate sports opportunities, anecdotal estimates remain very low. See Brooke Migdon, NCAA President Says There Are ‘Less Than 10’ Transgender Athletes In College Sports, The Hill (Dec. 18, 2024), https://thehill.com/ homenews/lgbtq/5046662-ncaa-president-transgender-athletes-college-sports/; Cyd Zeigler & Karleigh Webb, These 40 Trans Athletes Have Competed Openly in College Sports, OutSports (Dec. 6, 2024), https://www.outsports.com/trans/2022/1/7/22850789/trans-athletes-college-ncaa-lia-thomas. It is unlikely that transgender athletes make up more than 1.3% of the overall college athlete population. We estimate that 1.3% of young adults ages 18-24 in the U.S. are transgender. See Herman, Flores & O’Neill, supra note 20 at 5.

TBF- What I can't find in the data is how they are applying "high school-level team athletics." Is that school teams? Is it non school related teams? Case in point- you could be on a 16U softball travel team where you are playing with high school aged girls but not for a high school. Additionally- that number of 122K, or less, only speaks to transgender youth- it does not speak to what the sex is of that youth. Also, it doesn't account for kids who just ignored that question or chose not to answer it.

There are so many threads on the topic because a forum is curated discussion. And people are not necessarily talking about transgender women in sports as the thread problem. It is talking about how- basically one person- seems to continually post about this stuff.

Either way though- you wanted to hear from someone with daughter's. You did. You ignored my question i asked. 

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23 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

As of 2021 there were 17.3 million students in high schools (public and private- that would not account for home schooled students I'd assume). I did say where the source came from but I'll go with what you want to go with.

570,900 students in high school identify as trans. So from that we can roll in some other findings (in bold are the sources cited in the study...as best I can access them)

TBF- What I can't find in the data is how they are applying "high school-level team athletics." Is that school teams? Is it non school related teams? Case in point- you could be on a 16U softball travel team where you are playing with high school aged girls but not for a high school. Additionally- that number of 122K, or less, only speaks to transgender youth- it does not speak to what the sex is of that youth. Also, it doesn't account for kids who just ignored that question or chose not to answer it.

There are so many threads on the topic because a forum is curated discussion. And people are not necessarily talking about transgender women in sports as the thread problem. It is talking about how- basically one person- seems to continually post about this stuff.

Either way though- you wanted to hear from someone with daughter's. You did. You ignored my question i asked. 

I didn't see a question from you to me.  :dunno: 

Also, you bring up a good point about club teams, which have taken over the high end of a lot of HS-age sports, as I'm sure you know.  Part of the reason my daughter stopped pursuing softball was she was at a point where she needed to strongly consider a club team, and neither she nor I liked the vibe of the teams around here.

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2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I didn't see a question from you to me.  :dunno: 

Also, you bring up a good point about club teams, which have taken over the high end of a lot of HS-age sports, as I'm sure you know.  Part of the reason my daughter stopped pursuing softball was she was at a point where she needed to strongly consider a club team, and neither she nor I liked the vibe of the teams around here.

Can you define what it means for it to be a "big issue"?

On the club team thing- I hate the idea that has permeated youth sports anymore in school of "Oh you want to play softball at high school? What travel team are you on? You don't play travel ball? Well thanks but..." If you want to vacation as a family and everything you can't play travel ball. 

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1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

Can you define what it means for it to be a "big issue"?

On the club team thing- I hate the idea that has permeated youth sports anymore in school of "Oh you want to play softball at high school? What travel team are you on? You don't play travel ball? Well thanks but..." If you want to vacation as a family and everything you can't play travel ball. 

Oh, that.  I guess "big issue" means an issue worth resolving. If it is as infrequent as you assert, it shouldn't affect too many trans kids. 

I also don't understand your comparison to women's health issues, or why you believe that if issue A is more important than issue B, then issue B should not be addressed. 

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