Trump's health agency urges therapy for transgender youth, not broader gender-affirming health care

[kilroy69 1,216]

Trump's health agency urges therapy for transgender youth, not broader gender-affirming health care

 

20 years from now we will look back at this phase and wonder why it took so long for people to step up and question what was going on. I have said it for years that it is an emperor has no clothing situation. It just took people to finally speak up and say this is bullshittt for everyone else to wake up to it also.  This has been an epidemic of kids being misdiagnosed as trans when it should be acknowledge that it is a mental illness and that treatment like therapy is going to help them more than cutting off their junk and calling themselves sarah. 

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[thegeneral 2,893]

I suspect Donald will lean hard into this, trans in sports, and the border. He can’t talk about the number one issue for people, the economy, because he’s focked it all up.

If things don’t turn around by midterms (I hope they do) these are all we will hear about 24/7.

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2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I suspect Donald will lean hard into this, trans in sports, and the border. He can’t talk about the number one issue for people, the economy, because he’s focked it all up.

If things don’t turn around by midterms (I hope they do) these are all we will hear about 24/7.

Same, but I hope they don’t.  

[thegeneral 2,893]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

Same, but I hope they don’t.  

I am always hoping for the best outcome. I’d take a normal conservative in the WH and a Dem Congress all day long.

Hopefully Donald is a one off.

[MDC 7,124]

Just now, thegeneral said:

I am always hoping for the best outcome. I’d take a normal conservative in the WH and a Dem Congress all day long.

Hopefully Donald is a one off.

I think the best case scenario for this admin is Don crashes the economy and the GOP abandons him before he wrecked their brand for a generation. I’ll take the short term bad for the greater good.

[thegeneral 2,893]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

I think the best case scenario for this admin is Don crashes the economy and the GOP abandons him before he wrecked their brand for a generation. I’ll take the short term bad for the greater good.

I understand this but I don’t think it’s worth it. There is such a large chunk of Republican voters who it just doesn’t matter, they love Donald like their dog. 

After midterms it will be about who is replacing him and my hope is that there isn’t a copy of him that works and a normal conservative will take that spot.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

Libs in this thread big mad that kids can’t get mutilated. 

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Guy who wishes rape on kids.

[weepaws 3,153]

Therapy is the right answer.  

[squistion 1,946]

Sounds like Trump's health agency is calling for a form of the discredited "conversion therapy" which a total of 27 states, plus the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico, have banned.

From the link:

The American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry has said evidence shows conversion therapies inflict harm on young people, including elevated rates of suicidal ideation.

[The Real timschochet 6,407]

3 minutes ago, squistion said:

Sounds like Trump's health agency is calling for a form of the discredited "conversion therapy" which a total of 27 states, plus the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico, have banned.

From the link:

The American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry has said evidence shows conversion therapies inflict harm on young people, including elevated rates of suicidal ideation.

Yep. This will accomplish nothing but more suicides. So tragic. 

I wish we could just accept these people for who they are. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yep. This will accomplish nothing but more suicides. So tragic. 

I wish we could just accept these people for who they are. 

What they are. 

[Reality 3,093]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yep. This will accomplish nothing but more suicides. So tragic. 

This is a lie that has been debunked numerous times. It's sad that your ilk uses it to justify people mutilating their bodies. 

[The Real timschochet 6,407]

17 minutes ago, Reality said:

This is a lie that has been debunked numerous times. It's sad that your ilk uses it to justify people mutilating their bodies. 

Debunked by who? Not by anyone respectable. Here is UCLA: 

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ga-trans-suicide-press-release/

The only ones who believe as you do are anti-trans extremists. 

[jbycho 585]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Debunked by who? Not by anyone respectable. Here is UCLA: 

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ga-trans-suicide-press-release/

The only ones who believe as you do are anti-trans extremists. 

You are not respectable. 

Enough said. 

[Reality 3,093]

28 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Debunked by who?

https://www.auajournals.org/doi/10.1097/JU.0000000000001971.20

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/dispelling-the-suicide-myth/

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

https://www.realityslaststand.com/p/study-analysis-transgender-identity

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38699117/

[seafoam1 2,799]

Liberals screaming and clawing to have kids keep being turned into a science experiment. 

MANA. Make America Normal Again.

Thank God Trump won this last election. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,832]

21 hours ago, kilroy69 said:

Trump's health agency urges therapy for transgender youth, not broader gender-affirming health care

 

20 years from now we will look back at this phase and wonder why it took so long for people to step up and question what was going on. I have said it for years that it is an emperor has no clothing situation. It just took people to finally speak up and say this is bullshittt for everyone else to wake up to it also.  This has been an epidemic of kids being misdiagnosed as trans when it should be acknowledge that it is a mental illness and that treatment like therapy is going to help them more than cutting off their junk and calling themselves sarah. 

20 years from now the Democrats will claim they were Republicans "back then" in a bid to revise history and pretend they weren't on the forefront of allowing Men in Women's spaces, denying science (biology, specifically), FOR transitioning children with chemicals and castrations and trying to force the 99.9% to kowtow to a mentally ill lunatic fringe.

Y'know, just like they did with slavery, Jim Crowe and the KKK.  It's a well-known pattern called "The Democrat Party Avoid Responsibility" strategy.

[supermike80 1,801]

Anorexic...They have body image issues and they need mental health care!

Trans:  They have body image issues and we should support it!

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22 hours ago, thegeneral said:

I suspect Donald will lean hard into this, trans in sports, and the border. He can’t talk about the number one issue for people, the economy, because he’s focked it all up.

If things don’t turn around by midterms (I hope they do) these are all we will hear about 24/7.

The number 1 issue is child trafficking. Why is money more important than the safety of our children?

[kilroy69 1,216]

57 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Anorexic...They have body image issues and they need mental health care!

Trans:  They have body image issues and we should support it!

I have been using this example for years now. Only to be called transphobic. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

23 hours ago, thegeneral said:

I suspect Donald will lean hard into this, trans in sports, and the border. He can’t talk about the number one issue for people, the economy, because he’s focked it all up.

If things don’t turn around by midterms (I hope they do) these are all we will hear about 24/7.

Jobs up 177k in April. Shhhhh

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7 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

I have been using this example for years now. Only to be called transphobic. 

If this is not mental illness, then what is it? 

 

There are many different gender identities, including male, female, transgender, gender neutral, non-binary, agender, pangender, genderqueer, two-spirit, third gender, and all, none or a combination of these.

There are many more gender identities then we’ve listed. Gender can be complex and people are defining themselves. 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,407]

16 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

I have been using this example for years now. Only to be called transphobic. 

Unfortunately you are. 

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I can't see what MDC has to say about this because he's muted, but the sheer number of his replies tells me that you kicked his hornet's nest.

[kilroy69 1,216]

6 minutes ago, jbycho said:

If this is not mental illness, then what is it? 

 

There are many different gender identities, including male, female, transgender, gender neutral, non-binary, agender, pangender, genderqueer, two-spirit, third gender, and all, none or a combination of these.

There are many more gender identities then we’ve listed. Gender can be complex and people are defining themselves. 

 

It IS a mental illness. 

[squistion 1,946]

23 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

It IS a mental illness. 

Not according to a majority of psychiatrists, psychologists or mental health experts - but what do they know. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

2 minutes ago, squistion said:

Not according to a majority of psychiatrists, psychologists or mental health experts - but what do they know. 

Science is a liar. Sometimes.  

[kilroy69 1,216]

28 minutes ago, squistion said:

Not according to a majority of psychiatrists, psychologists or mental health experts - but what do they know. 

I know THEY are part of the problem. You say majority like they could not possibly be wrong. Doctors used to prescribe cocaine for toothaches. Cutter Pharma INTENTIONALLY gave tainted drugs to Latin America instead of destroying a batch that had become contaminated with AIDS. The AMA can be bought for a price because they are a lobbying group.  NONE of these are in dispute. Yet you are sure that something that has NEVR been,  can be NOW?

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34 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

It IS a mental illness. 

Yep. 

[Hawkeye21 2,381]

I think taking care of our country's mental health is important.  It's gone waaaay downhill the past 10 years.

[The Real timschochet 6,407]

51 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

I know THEY are part of the problem. You say majority like they could not possibly be wrong. Doctors used to prescribe cocaine for toothaches. Cutter Pharma INTENTIONALLY gave tainted drugs to Latin America instead of destroying a batch that had become contaminated with AIDS. The AMA can be bought for a price because they are a lobbying group.  NONE of these are in dispute. Yet you are sure that something that has NEVR been,  can be NOW?

The reason you think they’re wrong is because you’re grossed out by trans people. That’s it, that’s the whole of your “science”: you’re grossed out by them and you’re afraid of them. Why not admit it? 

[kilroy69 1,216]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

The reason you think they’re wrong is because you’re grossed out by trans people. That’s it, that’s the whole of your “science”: you’re grossed out by them and you’re afraid of them. Why not admit it? 

Sorry. Barking up the wrong tree. Not afraid of trannies. Not even grossed out. They have a mental illness, and they are not getting the help they need because the people around them affirm their delusions. I feel the same about Trannies as I do people who have bulimia or anorexia. They need to have the right kind of help to feel better. Not people telling them it is ok to go puke after you eat. It is natural. 

[supermike80 1,801]

3 hours ago, kilroy69 said:

I know THEY are part of the problem. You say majority like they could not possibly be wrong. Doctors used to prescribe cocaine for toothaches. Cutter Pharma INTENTIONALLY gave tainted drugs to Latin America instead of destroying a batch that had become contaminated with AIDS. The AMA can be bought for a price because they are a lobbying group.  NONE of these are in dispute. Yet you are sure that something that has NEVR been,  can be NOW?

Doctors frickin SMOKED!! And recommended cigarettes to patients!!   They aren't always right

[supermike80 1,801]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

The reason you think they’re wrong is because you’re grossed out by trans people. That’s it, that’s the whole of your “science”: you’re grossed out by them and you’re afraid of them. Why not admit it? 

Yeah this is BS but typical of the left.  If you say they need help, it has to be because you are a bad person somehow.  Like you are grossed out by them.  Typical.  And untrue

[TheNewGirl 1,344]

20 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Debunked by who? Not by anyone respectable. Here is UCLA: 

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ga-trans-suicide-press-release/

The only ones who believe as you do are anti-trans extremists. 

Sigh. 

We've gone over this.  https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10027312/

Suicide rates AFTER transitioning from male to female actually increase. Female to male has a similar pattern before and after transitioning. 

Quote

 

Transgender women were more at risk of suicide attempt(s) than controls of either sex (aHR, 9.3; 95% CI, 4.4-19.9 for female and aHR, 10.4; 95% CI, 4.9-22.1 for male controls). Transgender men were more at risk for suicide attempt(s) compared to male controls (aHR, 6.8; 95% CI, 2.121.6), but the comparison to female controls did not reach statistical significance. The authors state, “[t]his suggests that male-to-females are at higher risk for suicide attempts after sex reassignment, whereas female-to-males maintain a female pattern of suicide attempts after sex reassignment.”

 

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3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

The reason you think they’re wrong is because you’re grossed out by trans people. That’s it, that’s the whole of your “science”: you’re grossed out by them and you’re afraid of them. Why not admit it? 

I’m not afraid personally of them, but I am afraid of the harm they do want to place on children, mentally and sexually.  

And I do find it gross that a grown man is allowed to walk around in women’s clothing.   

[squistion 1,946]

3 hours ago, kilroy69 said:

Sorry. Barking up the wrong tree. Not afraid of trannies. Not even grossed out. They have a mental illness, and they are not getting the help they need because the people around them affirm their delusions. I feel the same about Trannies as I do people who have bulimia or anorexia. They need to have the right kind of help to feel better. Not people telling them it is ok to go puke after you eat. It is natural. 

The exact same thing was said about gay men and lesbians in the 60s and 70s, but a majority of psychologists, psychiatrists and mental health experts at the time disgreed. The experts were right then and they are right now about transgenders. All you have is your "gut feeling" that they are mentally ill with nothing else to back it up with. 

[jbycho 585]

Just now, squistion said:

The exact same thing was said about gay men and lesbians in the 60s and 70s, but a majority of psychogists, psychiatrists and mental health experts at the time disgreed. The experts were right then and they are right now about transgenders. All you have is your "gut feeling" that they are mentally ill with nothing else to back it up with. 

So you were targeted in the 60s? Tell about your experience.