easilyscan 931 Posted May 16 Other than a few, like Rand Paul for instance, I don't think either side cares, but I also think it has to be in the back of their minds. I'm not sure what would trigger it, reaching a certain $ amount, another world war, or something else ? I think they all know it will have to be addressed at some point, but as a group, they don't have the guts to do the right thing. I think their next move will be related to Social Security (notice I didn't refer to that as an entitlement) it really upsets me when people do. Medicare, maybe, but most people paid into SS for multiple decades, & if both sides of the aisle hadn't, borrowed and spent from it over the years, it wouldn't be the issue that it is today. Congress 1st focked over recipients in 1983. How were they able to do that ? Because like an article I once read stated, because the people it would affect were 12 years old at the time. Congress bent them over again 10 years later in 1993. Ex President Joe Biden voted in favor both times. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nomad99 748 Posted May 16 Are we including the people that are pro reparations in this question???? Asking for a friend that never had slaves.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,812 Posted May 16 6 minutes ago, Nomad99 said: Are we including the people that are pro reparations in this question???? Asking for a friend that never had slaves.... Well this thread is about Republicans. And I am not aware of any Republicans in favor of of reparations (unless you want to go back to General Sherman I guess…) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nomad99 748 Posted May 16 6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Well this thread is about Republicans. And I am not aware of any Republicans in favor of of reparations (unless you want to go back to General Sherman I guess…) Well it's applicable since you omitted whether or not dummies cared about debt.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,317 Posted May 17 This was always going to be a big problem for the GOP once it became apparent that they would have such narrow majorities in both chambers of Congress. Different factions want different things, some are hardline balanced budgeters. It will be an incredible balancing act on the part of Mike Johnson if he can thread the needle to find the votes to pull it off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,812 Posted May 18 Trump, back in town, is planning to put a lot of pressure on the reluctant conservatives this week. I’m betting they will get this done. But it’s going to be extremely unpopular with the public, especially when the cuts to Medicare/Medicaid become apparent. If this bill passes it will be, along with the tariffs, the main campaign theme for the Democrats next year. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbycho 754 Posted May 18 1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said: Trump, back in town, is planning to put a lot of pressure on the reluctant conservatives this week. I’m betting they will get this done. But it’s going to be extremely unpopular with the public, especially when the cuts to Medicare/Medicaid become apparent. If this bill passes it will be, along with the tariffs, the main campaign theme for the Democrats next year. Trump is against raping 13 year olds. Of course you hate Trump. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,370 Posted May 20 On 5/15/2025 at 8:39 AM, The Real timschochet said: I only ask because once again, just like every other time they are in power, despite warning us (correctly) that our current level of national debt is unsustainable and will eventually lead us to a catastrophe…they are voting to increase it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/05/15/gop-tax-deficit-bill/ Trump’s new “beautiful bill” will increase the debt by 2.5 trillion over the next 10 years. So do they REALLY care? Way to spin it. This bill will stop illegal immigrants from receiving Medicaid, AND will provide a tax cut to US Citizens. It's a tax-cut bill. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,317 Posted May 20 4 minutes ago, Gepetto said: Way to spin it. This bill will stop illegal immigrants from receiving Medicaid, AND will provide a tax cut to US Citizens. It's a tax-cut bill. Able bodied deadbeats moochers will be expected to put down the cheetos bag while getting pried off the sofa too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbycho 754 Posted May 20 2 minutes ago, Voltaire said: Able bodied deadbeats will be expected to put down the cheetos bag while getting pried off the sofa too. Can't be rid of them soon enough. Freaking lazy liberal aholes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,280 Posted May 20 12 hours ago, Gepetto said: Way to spin it. This bill will stop illegal immigrants from receiving Medicaid, AND will provide a tax cut to US Citizens. It's a tax-cut bill. Nobody is arguing that point. Simply pointing out that for all the energy and ink spilled over how wonderful DOGE was, and how finally a POTUS is serious about reducing waste and fraud, this tax cut, which overwhelmingly favors high earners, will add between $3-$4T to the deficit. That, to us, indicates that he does not really care about the deficit and that the performance art centered on the (often illegal) DOGE cuts was propaganda. The true purpose was to rid Trump of many of the persistent guardrails that limited him in his first term. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,118 Posted May 20 2 hours ago, Fnord said: Nobody is arguing that point. Simply pointing out that for all the energy and ink spilled over how wonderful DOGE was, and how finally a POTUS is serious about reducing waste and fraud, this tax cut, which overwhelmingly favors high earners, will add between $3-$4T to the deficit. That, to us, indicates that he does not really care about the deficit and that the performance art centered on the (often illegal) DOGE cuts was propaganda. The true purpose was to rid Trump of many of the persistent guardrails that limited him in his first term. This talking point is pretty tired. You guys say this about EVERY tax cut. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,280 Posted May 20 3 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: This talking point is pretty tired. You guys say this about EVERY tax cut. It is tired, you're right. But it's also truth. I'm not commenting on any past cuts. I notice that you did not comment on anything else I wrote, though. Look, you're going to continue hating libs and their policies, that's no skin off my back. Hate away. Some libs do truly suck and many of their policies are awful. Just don't lose sight of what's going on. I'm not here to rail against conservatism, I'm just pointing out that the guy you voted for is a supreme POS that is upending what this country is supposed to be about. I think you guys have all been inundated by the message your media choices have repeated for years: that ALL liberal policies suck, that libs are all terrible human beings, and that anything you do in the name of stopping their agenda is justifiable. Meanwhile, the things you're scared libs will do if they are in power are actually being done by your guy. Stay Republican/conservative, by all means. We need a counter balance to some of the BS Democrats spew. But your support of this guy completely undermines what you claim you want, IMO. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,563 Posted May 21 $175B on a "golden dome" because trump heard that Israel had one and wanted one too Bro has a fetish for gold 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbycho 754 Posted May 21 6 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: $175B on a "golden dome" because trump heard that Israel had one and wanted one too Bro has a fetish for gold Aww...poor "bro" guy is hurting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,563 Posted May 21 CBO now says this turd of a bill will add $2.3T to the deficit over the next decade. That's abhorrent. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,287 Posted May 21 4 hours ago, Ron_Artest said: $175B on a "golden dome" because trump heard that Israel had one and wanted one too Bro has a fetish for gold Well, the Israel one is the "Iron Dome". And not for nothing, but their system has to cover an area the size of New Jersey, focking guy is just dumb. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,563 Posted May 21 2 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said: Well, the Israel one is the "Iron Dome". And not for nothing, but their system has to cover an area the size of New Jersey, focking guy is just dumb. Well also Musk is bidding on the project, so dumb with a side of corrupt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,483 Posted May 21 Imagine thinking we couldn’t develop technology to shoot down missiles. Wait a second….. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,118 Posted May 21 7 hours ago, Mike Honcho said: Well, the Israel one is the "Iron Dome". And not for nothing, but their system has to cover an area the size of New Jersey, focking guy is just dumb. And if your side hadn't been embezzling taxpayer funds and lining their pockets thru USAID we could have paid for probably FOUR of them domes. 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,563 Posted May 21 10 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: And if your side hadn't been embezzling taxpayer funds and lining their pockets thru USAID we could have paid for probably FOUR of them domes. Democrats stole a trillion dollars from USAID? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,901 Posted May 21 On 5/20/2025 at 1:07 PM, EternalShinyAndChrome said: This talking point is pretty tired. You guys say this about EVERY tax cut. Are you claiming that this tax cut does not disproportionately favor high earners? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,118 Posted May 21 10 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Are you claiming that this tax cut does not disproportionately favor high earners? Again, you say that about EVERY tax cut proposed. So, yes, I'm claiming that, for the most part, tax cuts favor people who pay taxes unless the parameters define what tax brackets are eligible. Is your contention that low to middle income earners are explicitly exempted from this tax cut? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,563 Posted May 22 Every baby born in 2026 gets $1k in an account called a Trump Account Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,563 Posted May 22 Cuts for Medicaid, Medicare and food programs. Silencers are now tax free Free Trump account for every baby Billionaires get to keep their tax cuts. This is how you lose the midterms Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,287 Posted May 22 Big Beautiful Bill is Sweet William now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadrap 228 Posted May 22 7 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: Cuts for Medicaid, Medicare and food programs. Silencers are now tax free Free Trump account for every baby Billionaires get to keep their tax cuts. This is how you lose the midterms link to Medicare being cut? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,331 Posted May 22 8 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: Cuts for Medicaid, Medicare and food programs. Silencers are now tax free Free Trump account for every baby Billionaires get to keep their tax cuts. This is how you lose the midterms Citation? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meglamaniac 527 Posted May 22 1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said: Citation? no, gun silencers, theve been taxed since like 1934 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,331 Posted May 22 If Trump wants to p;ander for votes he should make vibrators and batteries tax free. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,287 Posted May 22 5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: Cuts for Medicaid, Medicare and food programs. Silencers are now tax free Free Trump account for every baby Billionaires get to keep their tax cuts. This is how you lose the midterms It's about time, I think if their is one thing we can all agree on, the gun violence in this country is too loud. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meglamaniac 527 Posted May 22 2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said: If Trump wants to p;ander for votes he should make vibrators adn batteries tax free. just start tipping with them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,331 Posted May 22 1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said: It's about time, I think if their is one thing we can all agree on, the gun violence in this country is too loud. Make America Quiet Again. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,563 Posted May 22 21 minutes ago, shadrap said: link to Medicare being cut? https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5312712-house-gop-bill-medicare-cuts/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 547 Posted May 22 1 hour ago, Mike Honcho said: Big Beautiful Bill is Sweet William now Diver Down 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadrap 228 Posted May 22 44 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5312712-house-gop-bill-medicare-cuts/ Medicare cut is not in the bill. cbo says it may be cut according to a rule or two in the future. If Medicare is ever actually cut by this administration let me know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,483 Posted May 22 I wouldn’t get too excited about that SALT deduction. It’s BS anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,469 Posted May 22 20 minutes ago, shadrap said: Medicare cut is not in the bill. cbo says it may be cut according to a rule or two in the future. If Medicare is ever actually cut by this administration let me know. Right. The narrative is some people who need Medicaid also have Medicare so it indirectly affects Medicare. Lemmings that don't even know the difference run around saying it cuts both. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,563 Posted May 22 23 minutes ago, shadrap said: Medicare cut is not in the bill. cbo says it may be cut according to a rule or two in the future. If Medicare is ever actually cut by this administration let me know. Read up on pay as you go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
