Trump’s “Big Beautiful Bill”

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

3 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Ignorant talking points.

They tried this in Arkansas and it didn't go well. https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00538

The result will be economic and physical painon the poorest and most vulnerable so that the elites can get an extra boat.  That's unconscionable.

The boat for the rich is built by the poor.  It is often docked at a marina employing the poor.  it is cleaned, fixed, sailed and maintained by the poor.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,448]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Of course they are eligible but you're moving the goalposts which is what you do when you get called out on your BS.  We're talking about cutting Medical care to poor people so rich people can buy another boat.  You support this.

This is why you appear to have mental health issues.  You agree there are people on ssdi that are scamming. These same people are on Medicaid for their health benefits. Ergo, they are scamming Medicaid. Now shut up. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,109]

12 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

This is why you appear to have mental health issues.  You agree there are people on ssdi that are scamming. These same people are on Medicaid for their health benefits. Ergo, they are scamming Medicaid. Now shut up. 

that is WAY too much logic for Ghey_Artest.  His head probably exploded. 

[Ron_Artest 1,544]

18 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

This is why you appear to have mental health issues.  You agree there are people on ssdi that are scamming. These same people are on Medicaid for their health benefits. Ergo, they are scamming Medicaid. Now shut up. 

Bruh.  Youre defending cutting Medicaid because some people might fraudently receive sdi and thus might also be on Medicaid?  Why not just crack down on sdi fraud?

Idiot.

The lengths you go to defend the rich people that look down on you is hilarious.  Cuck.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,448]

What can you do? 

[jonnyutah 292]

6 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

They don't get a tax increase but rather they lose services in the form of Medicaid and snap.  The overall effect of the bill is negative on those under $50k and very positive to those over $400k.  Redistributes wealth from the bottom to the top.

The talking points say they are getting a tax increase. 

[Mike Honcho 5,283]

18 hours ago, CaptainObvious1 said:

You're a life loser

 

5 hours ago, CaptainObvious1 said:

Are you capable of a single post without acting like a 10 year old? 

[Ron_Artest 1,544]

1 hour ago, jonnyutah said:

The talking points say they are getting a tax increase. 

Well that's not true, but they are going to end the year with less savings, or more debt.

[Horseman 2,462]

I can't think of any smart people I know that have student loans. It's always the losers.  

[Horseman 2,462]

On 5/22/2025 at 6:01 PM, easilyscan said:

Raising the standard deduction is good & there's other great news for people like myself who are retired, have to provide their own health insurance, but are years away from Medicare.

That's the special HSA available for those who have high deductible health insurance plans. I was able to contribute the maximum ($5300) this year. These HSA's are unique in that they offer a triple tax advantage. You put money in on a tax-free basis, the money builds up tax-free, & lets it come out tax-free for qualified healthcare expenses. This new bill will allow me to contribute $8600 next year. 

If there's money left in the account when you reach age 65, you can still use it for Medicare premiums, deductibles, coinsurance, long-term care expenses, including insurance premiums.

After you reach age 65, If you spend it on something that doesn't qualify, you'll no longer face the 20% penalty for non-qualified withdrawals, although you'll still need to pay ordinary federal income tax on those funds. Really no different than a conventional IRA in that case.

 

 

 

Thanks again for this.  Do not know why I thought HSA contributions were dependent on employment.  I got one of my bank accounts linked up to Fidelity and got in the $9,550 max. Easy.   If that doubles with this bill that's a nice little chunk to help out with converting as much as I can of my 401K over the next decade.

It doesn't require earned income like a regular IRA contribution does, correct?

[MDC 7,439]

On 5/24/2025 at 4:46 PM, Horseman said:

I can't think of any smart people I know that have student loans. It's always the losers.  

You don’t know a single smart person who couldn’t outright pay for their college education without loans? 

[Horseman 2,462]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

You don’t know a single smart person who couldn’t outright pay for their college education without loans? 

You have problems with English?

[Ron_Artest 1,544]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

You don’t know a single smart person who couldn’t outright pay for their college education without loans? 

You have to accept that 90% of what that guy says is a lie.

[MDC 7,439]

1 minute ago, Horseman said:

You have problems with English?

No. That was the dumbest thing I’ve seen someone say in weeks, so I thought I’d ask. Carry on.

[thegeneral 3,215]

7 minutes ago, MDC said:

No. That was the dumbest thing I’ve seen someone say in weeks, so I thought I’d ask. Carry on.

It was nice to go to a decent State school back in the 90’s for like $1800 a semester for a full load. Think my rent was around 300 a month, always worked in a kitchen or had roommates who did so food was free or cheap, friends who worked in bars, case of warm Hamm’s was like 5 bucks. 18 thousand college age nubiles running around.

What a time of life!

[Ron_Artest 1,544]

Just now, thegeneral said:

It was nice to go to a decent State school back in the 90’s for like $1800 a semester for a full load. Think my rent was around 300 a month, always worked in a kitchen or had roommates who did so food was free or cheap, friends who worked in bars, case of warm Hamm’s was like 5 bucks. 18 thousand college age nubiles running around.

What a time of life!

Yup.  I went out of state in the early 90s for like $12k/year.  Rent was $250.  I could get 2 hot dogs from the Sunoco for $1, free wing night with purchase of $1 beer, $2.50 sandwichs at the local deli, $10 carton of smokes, $4 case of Natty Boh

[TheNewGirl 1,494]

On 5/24/2025 at 1:46 PM, Horseman said:

I can't think of any smart people I know that have student loans. It's always the losers.  

This is such an ignorant statement. 

[Fnord 2,277]

1 hour ago, TheNewGirl said:

This is such an ignorant statement. 

Have you read his posts? He's probably the biggest, most pompous, least truthful ass hole here, and that is some serious competition. Ignore function makes life better.

[Horseman 2,462]

3 hours ago, Fnord said:

Have you read his posts?  Ignore function makes life better.

Reads my posts and then cries about the ignore feature.  Rent free weakling.  

[easilyscan 927]

4 hours ago, Horseman said:

It doesn't require earned income like a regular IRA contribution does, correct?

I don't believe so, but it wouldn't hurt to check further. 

[Voltaire 5,317]

No doubt the Senate's version will be much better than the House's, but who knows if it'll be able to get reconciled with the House version, which required much pirouetting and arm twisting, (as well as the vacancies caused by three dead Democrats), in order to squeak by by one vote.

If they lose just one vote on reconciliation, they're focked.

 

[Gepetto 1,368]

There is nothing to learn about this bill from this thread, per usual. 

[Horseman 2,462]

37 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

No doubt the Senate's version will be much better than the House's, but who knows if it'll be able to get reconciled with the House version, which required much pirouetting and arm twisting, (as well as the vacancies caused by three dead Democrats), in order to squeak by by one vote.

If they lose just one vote on reconciliation, they're focked.

 

There were 2 Republicans that didn't vote last time. 

[Voltaire 5,317]

2 hours ago, Horseman said:

There were 2 Republicans that didn't vote last time. 

OK and I see those were two more yes votes when it comes around again. 

(plus a present and two 'no's. Massey is right out but it may be possible to flip the other two, with Senate changes, but that risks losing other yeses elsewhere)

[Hardcore troubadour 15,448]

Whatever.  I’ve come to grips with how focked our system is, I’m just grateful that the border was secured and we are getting rid of many bad tacos. 

[jbycho 754]

On 5/24/2025 at 4:46 PM, Horseman said:

I can't think of any smart people I know that have student loans. It's always the losers.  

Same here. Truth. 

[Horseman 2,462]

50 million on Medicaid in 2011.  80 million now. The weaklings are against increasing check in requirements for Medicaid. Of course they are. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,448]

3 hours ago, Horseman said:

50 million on Medicaid in 2011.  80 million now. The weaklings are against increasing check in requirements for Medicaid. Of course they are. 

Million? 

[Horseman 2,462]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Million? 

80 million deadbeats.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,448]

1 hour ago, Horseman said:

80 million deadbeats.  

Got ya. Yeah, it’s completely unsustainable but democrats and Rinos don’t care.  

[Ron_Artest 1,544]

Speaker of the House Mike Johnson spent the weekend lying about how this bill doesn't increase the debt by one penny.  The same bill that increases the debt limit.

And then Joni Ernst when asked about Americans dying due to the medicaid cuts tells us we're all gonna die someday.

Great message by Republicans.  Blue Wave Midterm on the way.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,448]

9 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Speaker of the House Mike Johnson spent the weekend lying about how this bill doesn't increase the debt by one penny.  The same bill that increases the debt limit.

And then Joni Ernst when asked about Americans dying due to the medicaid cuts tells us we're all gonna die someday.

Great message by Republicans.  Blue Wave Midterm on the way.

Happy Pride Month. What parade are you going to?  

[Ron_Artest 1,544]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Happy Pride Month. What parade are you going to?  

Of course, ignore the lying, stealing and cruelty.  Let's talk about how wrong it is to be gay.

[thegeneral 3,215]

Run up deficit, tax cuts, complain about government…when Dems are in charge go apoplectic about the deficit. That’s the tried and true GOP game plan.

[jbycho 754]

44 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Of course, ignore the lying, stealing and cruelty.  Let's talk about how wrong it is to be gay.

 

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Run up deficit, tax cuts, complain about government…when Dems are in charge go apoplectic about the deficit. That’s the tried and true GOP game plan.

Daily liberal whining is in full swing already. You go girls. The two gutterboy are in the house. 

[Ron_Artest 1,544]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Run up deficit, tax cuts, complain about government…when Dems are in charge go apoplectic about the deficit. That’s the tried and true GOP game plan.

No but they were serious this time.  They create DOGE and we were gonna get $2T in savings and use that money to pay off the debt and give people money.

whoops.

[jbycho 754]

10 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

No but they were serious this time.  They create DOGE and we were gonna get $2T in savings and use that money to pay off the debt and give people money.

whoops.

How do you actually get dumber by the day? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,448]

55 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Of course, ignore the lying, stealing and cruelty.  Let's talk about how wrong it is to be gay.

You ignore the perversion that children are subjected to at these pride/pedo parades. 

[Ron_Artest 1,544]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You ignore the perversion that children are subjected to at these pride/pedo parades. 

Don't bring your children there.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,448]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

Don't bring your children there.

Oh.  It’s ok for other peoples kids to be subjected to it. Your morals are rock solid.