Goodbye COVID vaccines

[TheNewGirl 1,400]

1 minute ago, Fnord said:

I work in a large hospital. The vast majority of my coworkers are vaxxed with multiple boosters, as am I and my family members.

The answer to your question is no.

That's good. 

My family had odd blood related issues shortly after they received vaccines, with no prior diagnosis or concern. 

Vaccine related? Not sure. 

I think that for some, if they know someone who was otherwise healthy and unexpected died, had a heart attack, blood clot, stroke...it's tough to argue with them about conspiracies. 

[Gepetto 1,317]

I can't remember where, but there's an official website where you can download a report of all the people who have reported side effects and what each side effect is with some details about it. There are a lot and that's only people that reported them there.

[Fnord 2,106]

Just now, Gepetto said:

He doesn't but I do, and I don't know very many people. My aunt got high blood pressure after getting the Covid vaccine. My mom got a-fib. My dad got a nerve tingling on on side of his face. His went away after a couple years. My aunt and mom are still dealing with their issues and my mom's a-fib is really affecting her life negatively.

Well that sucks, sorry.

Has a definitive link been determined between their issues and the C-19 vax by their respective providers?

[Gepetto 1,317]

2 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Well that sucks, sorry.

Has a definitive link been determined between their issues and the C-19 vax by their respective providers?

Thanks. No, but they don't have the science or investigative tools to find a link, and actually their doctors didn't try. They each had never had each disease process prior to the covid shot, and each got the health problem immediately after receiving the Covid shot.

[Ron_Artest 1,183]

14 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Just out of pure curiosity, do you know anyone personally that's suffered side effects from the Covid vaccine? 

No but why does it matter?  I would want the vaccine restricted if I did?  Stop.

[TheNewGirl 1,400]

Just now, Gepetto said:

Thanks. No, but they don't have the science or investigative tools to find a link, and actually their doctors didn't try. They each had never had each disease process prior to the covid shot, and each got the health problem immediately after receiving the Covid shot.

Same with my mom. 

Prior to this, she was a healthy 68 year old woman, did a half marathon the year prior. 

After vaccine, she's had several strokes and is now unable to communicate at all, can't use her arms or legs,  completely bed ridden and eating pureed food. No cause found for her strokes; no heart issues, no blocked arteries, no a-fib, nothing. 

Their doctor didn't even bother to look into it as there is no way to really do that at this point. 

My BIL had a serious pulmonary embolism shortly after his vaccine; otherwise a normal healthy 53 year old working on a farm. Found him passed out in his home. If they hadn't found him, he'd be gone. Again, no way to "test" if it's vaccine related. 

[TheNewGirl 1,400]

3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

No but why does it matter?  I would want the vaccine restricted if I did?  Stop.

Ok, Gutter. I'll stop. Whatever you say. 

 

[Gepetto 1,317]

19 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Same with my mom. 

Prior to this, she was a healthy 68 year old woman, did a half marathon the year prior. 

After vaccine, she's had several strokes and is now unable to communicate at all, can't use her arms or legs,  completely bed ridden and eating pureed food. No cause found for her strokes; no heart issues, no blocked arteries, no a-fib, nothing. 

Their doctor didn't even bother to look into it as there is no way to really do that at this point. 

My BIL had a serious pulmonary embolism shortly after his vaccine; otherwise a normal healthy 53 year old working on a farm. Found him passed out in his home. If they hadn't found him, he'd be gone. Again, no way to "test" if it's vaccine related. 

I’m sad and very sorry that’s happened to your mom, and thank God someone found your brother when that happened.

[jerryskids 6,618]

25 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

1. If the FDA had reason to pull the vaccine they would have.

2. RFK admitted to have a brain worm in his brain.  He's also a former heroin addict so brain rot is certainly relevant.  But if this offends you I'll stop.  Maybe you can stop using MSDNC too.

3,4 Again if the vaccine is deemed unsafe then pull it.  That's not what is happening.

1. That presumes that your model is accurate that the FDA was a perfectly science-driven, politics-agnostic organization.  Does Big Pharma lobby the FDA at all?  Also, "pulling" doesn't need to be 100%.  It could mean removing recommendations and/or restricting for populations for which the benefits are not clearly obvious.

2. MSDNC refers to the cadre of leftist MSM organizations, not a specific person, so there is no dehumanization.  

3, 4. The vaccine has been deemed not sufficiently proven safe and effective for certain populations.

 

On this last point, I am a little concerned with long-term ramifications.  Maybe I'll add my concerns to my old thread that was just bumped.

[Maximum Overkill 1,825]

2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

There is a conspiracy theory going around about people dying suddenly after receiving a vaccine.

[TimHauck 2,649]

4 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

This is a new regulation, so doesn't matter what your PCP does now, it will not be allowed in the future according to the FDA.  It's not about vaccine scarcity and saving the doses, it's about being anti-vax and anti science.

It’s not “not allowing” them, it’s just saying they need to conduct a study before approving them.  That’s the opposite of anti-science.  This is just catching up to what the science already says, that the first 2 doses were overall beneficial, but that there’s not really evidence that boosters do much for young people.   Maybe @RaiderHaters Revenge will stop yelling at me to get my boosters now.

And I don’t think this is coming from RFK, it’s coming from Prasad and Makary who do have actual credentials.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsb2506929

[CaptainObvious1 345]

3 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

The vaccine was tested moron.

For a week.  You're an idiot.

[Ron_Artest 1,183]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

It’s not “not allowing” them, it’s just saying they need to conduct a study before approving them.  That’s the opposite of anti-science.  This is just catching up to what the science already says, that the first 2 doses were overall beneficial, but that there’s not really evidence that boosters do much for young people.   Maybe @RaiderHaters Revenge will stop yelling at me to get my boosters now.

And I don’t think this is coming from RFK, it’s coming from Prasad and Makary who do have actual credentials.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsb2506929

The FDA is saying every strain needs new clinical trials, which is different than the flu vaccine.  That is anti science.  Care to explain the benefits to me?

Also prassad is an antivaxer and they both are doing whatever RFK tells them to.

[TimHauck 2,649]

21 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

The FDA is saying every strain needs new clinical trials, which is different than the flu vaccine.  That is anti science.  Care to explain the benefits to me?

Also prassad is an antivaxer and they both are doing whatever RFK tells them to.

Prasad is not an antivaxxer.

There is evidence that the first 2 doses of the covid vax (and natural infection) provide long-term protection from serious disease even from different strains, which is not really true for the flu.

 

[jerryskids 6,618]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

It’s not “not allowing” them, it’s just saying they need to conduct a study before approving them.  That’s the opposite of anti-science.  This is just catching up to what the science already says, that the first 2 doses were overall beneficial, but that there’s not really evidence that boosters do much for young people.   Maybe @RaiderHaters Revenge will stop yelling at me to get my boosters now.

And I don’t think this is coming from RFK, it’s coming from Prasad and Makary who do have actual credentials.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsb2506929

Thank you for this.  I know you've followed the science on this more than anyone here, so I appreciate your honesty.   

42 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

The FDA is saying every strain needs new clinical trials, which is different than the flu vaccine.  That is anti science.  Care to explain the benefits to me?

Also prassad is an antivaxer and they both are doing whatever RFK tells them to.

And then there is Gutter, who apparently thinks Covid is the same as the flu, and that the underlying technologies of the vaxxes are the same for the two.  

[TimHauck 2,649]

18 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Thank you for this.  I know you've followed the science on this more than anyone here, so I appreciate your honesty.   

And then there is Gutter, who apparently thinks Covid is the same as the flu, and that the underlying technologies of the vaxxes are the same for the two.  

Ha thanks.  Although speaking of Prasad and Covid, friendly reminder that he has said ivermectin is useless for Covid

[jerryskids 6,618]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Ha thanks.  Although speaking of Prasad and Covid, friendly reminder that he has said ivermectin is useless for Covid

That's fine, I'm not saying any one person is omniscient on this or any topic.  In fact, that's kinda RFK's point.   

[Ron_Artest 1,183]

10 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Thank you for this.  I know you've followed the science on this more than anyone here, so I appreciate your honesty.   

And then there is Gutter, who apparently thinks Covid is the same as the flu, and that the underlying technologies of the vaxxes are the same for the two.  

And there is skids who chooses to lie about someone instead of of engaging in serious and honest debate.  I know more about this vaccine than you so keep your sanctimonious BS out of here.

[listen2me 23 1,836]

All the blue haired mask wearing people will still be able to get it.  They certainly have some sort of underlying condition.  

[Engorgeous George 2,216]

I had the original two shots and the first booster.  They were a job requirement.  last year I went in for my Shingles vacines.  two shots seperated in time by maybe a month, maybe more, I forget.  On the second shot i was also given the fall flu shot and a Covid booster.  I was ambivilent on the Covid booster, but I took it.

 

My brother had a respiratory illness right before Covid became a discussion.  He was hospitalized.  They did not have a diagnosis for his infection.  He got some blood clots at the time and was quite ill.  He recovered.  He lost his sense of taste and smell for many months.  Make of that what diagnosis you will.  He flies back and forth from the Netherlands where he also owns a home.  During the peak of Covid he had to have proof of the shot to fly and had to have a clean Covid test 24 hours prior to flying.Good times.  

[TimHauck 2,649]

33 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

 

My brother had a respiratory illness right before Covid became a discussion.  He was hospitalized.  They did not have a diagnosis for his infection.  He got some blood clots at the time and was quite ill.  He recovered.  He lost his sense of taste and smell for many months.  Make of that what diagnosis you will.  He flies back and forth from the Netherlands where he also owns a home.  During the peak of Covid he had to have proof of the shot to fly and had to have a clean Covid test 24 hours prior to flying.Good times.  

When was his illness?  I’m skeptical that so many people claim to have had Covid in 2019, but it’s possible a few did.

[Maximum Overkill 1,825]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

When was his illness?  I’m skeptical that so many people claim to have had Covid in 2019, but it’s possible a few did.

It was running through the military long before anyone even admitted or knew what it was. Facts 

[iam90sbaby 2,518]

I'm so glad I never got the jab.

[Engorgeous George 2,216]

32 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

When was his illness?  I’m skeptical that so many people claim to have had Covid in 2019, but it’s possible a few did.

January of that year.  Maybe a week or two before the whole thing started to be talked about in heavy rotation.  This is just going from memory.

 

Also, he does not calim to have had Covid that time.  He was not tested for it.  As far as I know there was not a common test for it at that time or even a suspicion to test for it.  could have been any of a wide variety of illnesses.  He spends time in Central America and in East Africa and has had just about every virilent infectious desease imaginable at one time or another.  Malaria, Cholera, Yellow Fever, Dengue, you name it.  

[CaptainObvious1 345]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

And there is skids who chooses to lie about someone instead of of engaging in serious and honest debate.  I know more about this vaccine than you so keep your sanctimonious BS out of here.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Fnord 2,106]

@Gepetto @TheNewGirl It's really frustrating and infuriating that your loved ones have had to go through this without being able to determine whether the vaccine may have played a role in their maladies. I can understand your reticence to embrace the vaccine after dealing with that. Good luck to all of you.

All I can do is follow the advice of my PCP and employer, which up to now has been to get boosted. Curious to see what my employer does in the wake of these new guidelines. I trust them to be looking out for my well-being, and do not believe they would recommend it if there was solid science saying otherwise. 

[Ron_Artest 1,183]

2 minutes ago, Fnord said:

@Gepetto @TheNewGirl It's really frustrating and infuriating that your loved ones have had to go through this without being able to determine whether the vaccine may have played a role in their maladies. I can understand your reticence to embrace the vaccine after dealing with that. Good luck to all of you.

All I can do is follow the advice of my PCP and employer, which up to now has been to get boosted. Curious to see what my employer does in the wake of these new guidelines. I trust them to be looking out for my well-being, and do not believe they would recommend it if there was solid science saying otherwise. 

This is why medicine and specifically vaccines are so difficult.  It's personal.  You can look at the data and see the serious side effects for some of these drugs and vaccines are .001%, but it's not zero.  And if you or your loved one is in that .001% that's personal and tragic and it makes you question things and have regrets.  The autism question has been a lightning rod for years and it's really hard for a parent of a child who is seemingly one day fine and the next not fine to not question what happened and look at vaccines despite the science and data saying it's not.  Humans are emotional but it's important to respect the science and the data without the emotions

[Maximum Overkill 1,825]

15 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

The autism question has been a lightning rod for years and it's really hard for a parent of a child who is seemingly one day fine and the next not fine to not question what happened

I appreciate your common sense for once. But don't you typically refer to these people as MagaTurd Conspiracy Theorists? 

The data is incomplete on these vaccines, especially the Covid vaccine, even you'd agree. And it's more than fair to question why Autism is such an epidemic in this Country. Getting all these vaccines at once is not necessary or needed anymore, it's irresponsible for parents to allow that. 

A health Kid should not be getting the covid vaccine. Unless they have an immune defficiency or an other illness, there's absolutely no reason for it. 

Can we at least agree on this? 

[Ron_Artest 1,183]

10 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I appreciate your common sense for once. But don't you typically refer to these people as MagaTurd Conspiracy Theorists? 

The data is incomplete on these vaccines, especially the Covid vaccine, even you'd agree. And it's more than fair to question why Autism is such an epidemic in this Country. Getting all these vaccines at once is not necessary or needed anymore, it's irresponsible for parents to allow that. 

A health Kid should not be getting the covid vaccine. Unless they have an immune defficiency or an other illness, there's absolutely no reason for it. 

Can we at least agree on this? 

Yes, the "vaccines cause autism" conspiracy theory is real.  But a parents struggle with having a child diagnosed with autism is also real.

Depends on your definition of "complete" but the data is very good on all vaccines approved in the US.  What we know is vaccines do not cause autism and the covid vaccine is safe and effective.  If I had a healthy 5 year old now would I give them a covid vaccine, don't know.  probably?  Depends on what the Dr says.  But I should have that option.

[Maximum Overkill 1,825]

8 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Yes, the "vaccines cause autism" conspiracy theory is real.  But a parents struggle with having a child diagnosed with autism is also real.

Depends on your definition of "complete" but the data is very good on all vaccines approved in the US.  What we know is vaccines do not cause autism and the covid vaccine is safe and effective.  If I had a healthy 5 year old now would I give them a covid vaccine, don't know.  probably?  Depends on what the Dr says.  But I should have that option.

I have no problem with adults taking the Covid vaccine if they feel like they need it. I do have a problem with a mandatory vaccine or people putting it in their perfectly healthy children. To me that's irresponsible. 

If you want the Covid vaccine, have at it. As long as I'm not paying for it. 

[Hawkeye21 2,388]

I'm glad I never got the vaccine.

[TheNewGirl 1,400]

2 hours ago, Fnord said:

@Gepetto @TheNewGirl It's really frustrating and infuriating that your loved ones have had to go through this without being able to determine whether the vaccine may have played a role in their maladies. I can understand your reticence to embrace the vaccine after dealing with that. Good luck to all of you.

All I can do is follow the advice of my PCP and employer, which up to now has been to get boosted. Curious to see what my employer does in the wake of these new guidelines. I trust them to be looking out for my well-being, and do not believe they would recommend it if there was solid science saying otherwise. 

Thank you, I appreciate this. 

 

[Baker Boy 1,693]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-officials-delayed-warning-public-about-heart-inflammation-risk-from-covid-shot-report 
 

US officials delayed warning public about heart inflammation risk from COVID shot: report

Sen Ron Johnson says Biden admin 'withheld crucial health information' about the COVID-19 vaccine

[Horseman 2,417]

On 5/21/2025 at 9:44 AM, Ron_Artest said:

If I was high risk absolutely.  Technically I am because I have asthma, but I've had covid several times and only the first time was bad so I haven't gotten any boosters.  But if we get a bad strain or if my health turned for the worst, I would get one. 

Jesus, asthma too?  How many handicaps do you have?

[Gepetto 1,317]

On May 21, the U.S. Senate’s Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations held a crucial hearing titled "The Corruption of Science and Federal Health Agencies: How Health Officials Downplayed and Hid Myocarditis and Other Adverse Events Associated with the COVID-19 Vaccines." Top medical experts and legal voices testified, including Dr. Peter McCullough, Dr. Jordan Vaughn, Dr. James Thorp, Dr. Joel Wallskog, Attorney Aaron Siri and Hawaii Governor Josh Green. Dr. McCullough presented findings from a large autopsy series, stating that in 73.9% of examined post-vaccine deaths, mRNA COVID vaccines were considered the likely cause—a claim that has sparked intense debate in the medical community.

 

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,825]

36 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

McCullough presented findings from a large autopsy series, stating that in 73.9% of examined post-vaccine deaths, mRNA COVID vaccines were considered the likely cause—

Like we told yall.  

@Tebok @Ron_Artest @squistion @Fnord @TimHauck

[Ron_Artest 1,183]

13 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Like we told yall.  

@Tebok @Ron_Artest @squistion @Fnord @TimHauck

[Tebok 370]

54 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

On May 21, the U.S. Senate’s Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations held a crucial hearing titled "The Corruption of Science and Federal Health Agencies: How Health Officials Downplayed and Hid Myocarditis and Other Adverse Events Associated with the COVID-19 Vaccines." Top medical experts and legal voices testified, including Dr. Peter McCullough, Dr. Jordan Vaughn, Dr. James Thorp, Dr. Joel Wallskog, Attorney Aaron Siri and Hawaii Governor Josh Green. Dr. McCullough presented findings from a large autopsy series, stating that in 73.9% of examined post-vaccine deaths, mRNA COVID vaccines were considered the likely cause—a claim that has sparked intense debate in the medical community.

 

 

They got 'em now!

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Dr. Peter McCullough, a cardiologist known for his controversial views on COVID-19 vaccines, has claimed that a large autopsy series found mRNA COVID-19 vaccines to be the likely cause of death in 73.9% of examined post-vaccine deaths. 

However, this claim has been widely challenged and discredited by numerous sources, including independent fact-checkers and scientific organizations, due to flawed methodologies and potential biases in the cited research. 

Here's a breakdown of the issues surrounding this claim:

• Lack of Robust Evidence: There's no scientific consensus supporting a causal link between mRNA COVID-19 vaccines and such a high percentage of deaths. Mainstream scientific and medical communities generally agree that the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination outweigh the risks.
• Methodological Concerns: The specific study or series cited by Dr. McCullough has faced criticism for its methodology and potential biases, questioning the reliability of its conclusions.
• Misinterpretation of Data: Dr. McCullough's claims often involve misinterpreting or misrepresenting data from adverse event reporting systems like VAERS or autopsy studies, exaggerating the risks associated with the vaccines.
• Conflict of Interest: Dr. McCullough's role as chief scientific officer of a company selling unproven treatments for "COVID-19 vaccine injuries" raises concerns about potential conflicts of interest and their influence on his claims. 

In summary, while Dr. McCullough's claims have gained traction in certain circles, they are not supported by the broader scientific and medical community. The overwhelming consensus remains that mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective in preventing severe illness and death from COVID-19. 

It's important to consult with trusted sources of information, like your healthcare provider or reputable public health organizations, to stay informed about the safety and efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines. 

[Tebok 370]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

They take one rogue moron and run down the field with it.

[Fnord 2,106]

1 hour ago, Gepetto said:

On May 21, the U.S. Senate’s Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations held a crucial hearing titled "The Corruption of Science and Federal Health Agencies: How Health Officials Downplayed and Hid Myocarditis and Other Adverse Events Associated with the COVID-19 Vaccines." Top medical experts and legal voices testified, including Dr. Peter McCullough, Dr. Jordan Vaughn, Dr. James Thorp, Dr. Joel Wallskog, Attorney Aaron Siri and Hawaii Governor Josh Green. Dr. McCullough presented findings from a large autopsy series, stating that in 73.9% of examined post-vaccine deaths, mRNA COVID vaccines were considered the likely cause—a claim that has sparked intense debate in the medical community.

That number is absurd on it's face. Anyone that believes that simply wants the vaccine to fail.