Brianna Wu: If I were in charge of the trans movement...

[jerryskids 6,781]

Another trans thread!

Brianna Wu is a transgender woman (born male) who is influential in the trans community.  She made a post on X recently that I strongly advise be read by @The Real timschochet, @squistion, and anyone else who remains under the illusion that the trans movement is not largely a social contagion, that just saying you are woman should not be sufficient to get into women's safe spaces, or that biological men should compete in women's sports.

 

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If you put me in charge of the transsexual movement tomorrow, this is what I would do. 

- I would go on TV and tell every parent the truth. The rates of trans children have exploded and much of this almost certainly social contagion. I’d tell them young children with gender confusion almost always just end up gay and that natal girls detransition at terrifying rates. I’d urge them to go very slowly. 

- I’d end self-ID and I would make it criminal to enter women’s bathroom’s without being on a medical pathway to transition gender. That means a formal diagnosis with at least three months of therapy, and being on anti-androgens which inhibit erections. 

- I would publicly apologize for trans women ever entering women’s sports where we have a biological advantages. I would give back the awards and admit it was a massive mistake in judgment. 

Just these three simple changes would end 99% of peoples issues with us. Then we could change the conversation to what it should actually be - why are people so dehumanizing and cruel to trans people? We could focus on housing, employment, healthcare and all the things that actually matter.

 

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Nailed it.

[squistion 2,183]

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The transsexual movement

The transexual movement? 

That mislabeling disqualifies her for speaking for the transgender community, let alone giving advice on how to lead it.

 

[Thornton Melon 620]

7 minutes ago, squistion said:

The transexual movement? 

That mislabeling disqualifies her for speaking for the transgender community, let alone giving advice on how to lead it.

 

You never disappoint 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,081]

Dogmatic zealot says transgender has no right to speak about transgenders. 

Only he can because he's so virtous.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,081]

39 minutes ago, Thornton Melon said:

You never disappoint 

Lady Squidtard is a FINE representation of true scumbags around the world!

[squistion 2,183]

1 hour ago, Thornton Melon said:

You never disappoint 

With a thread like this it is like shooting fish in a barrell. 

Note that he edited her quote from "transexual" to "trans" in the OP title. Wonder why? 

[BrahmaBulls 756]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

The transexual movement? 

That mislabeling disqualifies her for speaking for the transgender community, let alone giving advice on how to lead it.

 

Tranny fight!

[TimHauck 2,835]

No arguments here.  I think this forum could particularly learn from this sentence:

Then we could change the conversation to what it should actually be - why are people so dehumanizing and cruel to trans people?

[TimHauck 2,835]

Speaking of that sentence, for the people that claim Riley Gaines “just wants men out of women’s sports,” here is Wu’s opinion of Ms Gaines:

https://x.com/BriannaWu/status/1817169816626553245
 

I appreciate the increasing frequency of these comments from Riley because it gives away her game. Yes, it’s reasonable to have a public policy discussion about trans people and women’s sports. But her political project doesn’t stop there. She’s disgusted by LGBT people and wants to eliminate them from public life. This is, of course, anti-American and anti-democratic.

[seafoam1 3,007]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Speaking of that sentence, for the people that claim Riley Gaines “just wants men out of women’s sports,” here is Wu’s opinion of Ms Gaines:

https://x.com/BriannaWu/status/1817169816626553245
 

I appreciate the increasing frequency of these comments from Riley because it gives away her game. Yes, it’s reasonable to have a public policy discussion about trans people and women’s sports. But her political project doesn’t stop there. She’s disgusted by LGBT people and wants to eliminate them from public life. This is, of course, anti-American and anti-democratic.

The alphabet group makes themselves disgusting. No need to attack people who simple look upon them and see the truth and say it like it is. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,081]

8 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Speaking of that sentence, for the people that claim Riley Gaines “just wants men out of women’s sports,” here is Wu’s opinion of Ms Gaines:

https://x.com/BriannaWu/status/1817169816626553245
 

I appreciate the increasing frequency of these comments from Riley because it gives away her game. Yes, it’s reasonable to have a public policy discussion about trans people and women’s sports. But her political project doesn’t stop there. She’s disgusted by LGBT people and wants to eliminate them from public life. This is, of course, anti-American and anti-democratic.

Well, when they stop acting disgusting, violent and mentally ill then people wont' see them as disgusting, violent and mentally ill.  I mean, c'mon.  You've been to a bunch of Pride parades.  You've CLEARLY seen it on display. WTF?

[TimHauck 2,835]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Well, when they stop acting disgusting, violent and mentally ill then people wont' see them as disgusting, violent and mentally ill.  I mean, c'mon.  You've been to a bunch of Pride parades.  You've CLEARLY seen it on display. WTF?

So all trans folks are disgusting and violent?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,081]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So all trans folks are disgusting and violent?

It's not just trans, but I would say a good portion of them are.  Let's say 40% or more.  I mean, they're mentally ill.  There is no way you're NOT considering your mind is fighting your biology.

They'll never be able to change that and the fact that they THINK they can is clearly someone who is not stable.  What they are is gay, not trans.  Trans is just a term to hide from the fact that they can't admit they're gay.

[jerryskids 6,781]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

With a thread like this it is like shooting fish in a barrell. 

Note that he edited her quote from "transexual" to "trans" in the OP title. Wonder why? 

I didn't think I was doing anything egregious, just shortening the word.  What's your big find here, Squissy?  

[Thornton Melon 620]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

With a thread like this it is like shooting fish in a barrell. 

Note that he edited her quote from "transexual" to "trans" in the OP title. Wonder why? 

I don't wonder, and I don't care. Thanks for the laugh.

[jerryskids 6,781]

2 hours ago, squistion said:

The transexual movement? 

That mislabeling disqualifies her for speaking for the transgender community, let alone giving advice on how to lead it.

 

I've promised myself not insult you personally and instead focus on behavior, which I did with my young children.  With that in mind, this post captures the essence of everything that is wrong with Leftists trying to speak for groups they purport to defend.  Well done, Squissy.   

[jerryskids 6,781]

50 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Speaking of that sentence, for the people that claim Riley Gaines “just wants men out of women’s sports,” here is Wu’s opinion of Ms Gaines:

https://x.com/BriannaWu/status/1817169816626553245
 

I appreciate the increasing frequency of these comments from Riley because it gives away her game. Yes, it’s reasonable to have a public policy discussion about trans people and women’s sports. But her political project doesn’t stop there. She’s disgusted by LGBT people and wants to eliminate them from public life. This is, of course, anti-American and anti-democratic.

Thanks for transitioning this to your obsessive stalking of Riley Gaines.  Any chance you can move this to the softball thread?

[TimHauck 2,835]

Just now, jerryskids said:

Thanks for transitioning this to your obsessive stalking of Riley Gaines.  Any chance you can move this to the softball thread?

No.  It was relevant to the sentence I quoted, which Wu wants to “change the conversation to.”  I had never heard of Wu before today, but she is described by you as “influential in the trans community.”   And she has had multiple posts showing her disdain for Gaines, who is probably one of the most well-known people that is “dehumanizing to trans people.”

[jerryskids 6,781]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

No.  It was relevant to the sentence I quoted, which Wu wants to “change the conversation to.”  I had never heard of Wu before today, but she is described by you as “influential in the trans community.”   And she has had multiple posts showing her disdain for Gaines, who is probably one of the most well-known people that is “dehumanizing to trans people.”

That's a great topic for the softball thread.  Not for what I posted in the OP.  TIA.   

[TimHauck 2,835]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

That's a great topic for the softball thread.  Not for what I posted in the OP.  TIA.   

So Wu wants to change the conversation, but you don’t.  Got it!

[jonnyutah 286]

57 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So all trans folks are disgusting and violent?

No. They are all disgusting, but plenty are non violent. 

[The Real timschochet 6,741]

Thanks Jerry, but I don’t care. To me it’s like having a Jew deny the Holocaust. Some have (famously, Bobby Fischer) but that doesn’t take away the truth of the event. Kanye West has argued that American chattel slavery was a good thing. Shall I consider his comments on the subject to be more merit worthy than others because he is a black man? I don’t. 
 

I didn’t have any personal opinion on the question of the explosion of the number of trans people until quite recently. What I read, from most medical experts and psychiatrists and psychologists, is that it’s a result of people feeling free to express their innermost feelings, that the same numbers were always there but hidden. This intuitively made sense to me. I also read a minority of opinion that it was a “social contagion.” Since this opinion was mostly spread from people whom I judged to be bigoted against trans (and before that bigoted against homosexuality) I treated this minority opinion with a great amount of skepticism. I still do. But in the end I regard this as a scientific question, equivalent to the best way to land an airplane. When the majority of experts change their opinion on this subject I will as well. 

[squistion 2,183]

29 minutes ago, Thornton Melon said:

I don't wonder, and I don't care. Thanks for the laugh.

Thank the OP for the laugh, he edited "transexual movement" to "trans movement" and figured no one would notice.

[BrahmaBulls 756]

5 minutes ago, squistion said:

Thank the OP for the laugh, he edited "transexual movement" to "trans movement" and figured no one would notice.

So?

[TimHauck 2,835]

3 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Another trans thread!

Brianna Wu is a transgender woman (born male) who is influential in the trans community.  She made a post on X recently that I strongly advise be read by @The Real timschochet, @squistion, and anyone else who remains under the illusion that the trans movement is not largely a social contagion, that just saying you are woman should not be sufficient to get into women's safe spaces, or that biological men should compete in women's sports.

 

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I know you will claim I’m arguing semantics but I think your commentary mischaracterizes her comments a bit.

Your comment: the trans movement is largely a social contagion

Her quote: The rates of trans children have exploded and much of this almost certainly social contagion

 

Seems to me she is only talking about the “increase” in the number of trans folks, but it sounds like you’re talking about trans folks in total.  Can you clarify?  Do you think kids being trans as a whole is a “social contagion”?

[iam90sbaby 2,608]

It’s funny when you all play along and call the man in the X post a she and her.  

[jerryskids 6,781]

50 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I know you will claim I’m arguing semantics but I think your commentary mischaracterizes her comments a bit.

Your comment: the trans movement is largely a social contagion

Her quote: The rates of trans children have exploded and much of this almost certainly social contagion

 

Seems to me she is only talking about the “increase” in the number of trans folks, but it sounds like you’re talking about trans folks in total.  Can you clarify?  Do you think kids being trans as a whole is a “social contagion”?

I'm talking about the increase, not trans in general.  I have posted multiple times that I believe there are a small subset of trans people who have gender dysphoria.  To that end, it disappoints me that a lot of folks (including this site) don't agree, and just jump on the "boys can't be girls" wagon.  

I think Brianna presents an excellent path to getting to an accurate and reasonable place.  Which is basically where we were 10-15 years ago, when sanity ruled the day.

But @The Real timschochetchooses to believe political groups instead of reality, and @squistion seems to believe whatever Kyle Griffin says, but he knows best.

[The Real timschochet 6,741]

23 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I'm talking about the increase, not trans in general.  I have posted multiple times that I believe there are a small subset of trans people who have gender dysphoria.  To that end, it disappoints me that a lot of folks (including this site) don't agree, and just jump on the "boys can't be girls" wagon.  

I think Brianna presents an excellent path to getting to an accurate and reasonable place.  Which is basically where we were 10-15 years ago, when sanity ruled the day.

But @The Real timschochetchooses to believe political groups instead of reality, and @squistion seems to believe whatever Kyle Griffin says, but he knows best.

I continue to reject your characterization of the vast majority of medical opinion as “political groups.” I think this characterization is actually more concerning than your views on this specific issue, because it mirrors how the conservative right tend to think about climate change, COVID-19, the mainstream media, and a host of other issues: basically it seems to me that whenever you guys encounter a truth or bit of evidence that either is contradictory to your worldview or at the very least makes it uncomfortable, you immediately transform it to opinion, usually opinion with a political agenda opposed to your own and thus OK to ignore. 

[The Real timschochet 6,741]

30 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 I have posted multiple times that I believe there are a small subset of trans people who have gender dysphoria.  To that end, it disappoints me that a lot of folks (including this site) don't agree, and just jump on the "boys can't be girls" wagon.  

 

Though I disagree with your view here it makes me think there may be room for compromise. But I’m not sure. So I would like you to be specific about the only aspect of this that truly matters: what kind of legislation that in any way touches on or restricts trans would you support? What kind of legislation would you oppose? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,377]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

No arguments here.  I think this forum could particularly learn from this sentence:

Then we could change the conversation to what it should actually be - why are people so dehumanizing and cruel to trans people?

 Because they’re different 

[weepaws 3,186]

No gray here, you’re either born man or a woman.  Final.  

[Thornton Melon 620]

6 hours ago, squistion said:

Thank the OP for the laugh, he edited "transexual movement" to "trans movement" and figured no one would notice.

So in other words, he didn't account for you

[jonmx 2,429]

Stop worrying about what effing idiots like Squissy thinks.  He is a brainwashed buffoon.  

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

Tim is the keeper of what the vast majority thinks.  

[Sean Mooney 1,981]

What makes her influential?

Maybe she doesn't know that trans people are an existential crisis to the country?

[Fnord 2,257]

12 hours ago, squistion said:

Thank the OP for the laugh, he edited "transexual movement" to "trans movement" and figured no one would notice.

No one but you did. Help me understand. Why does this matter?

[squistion 2,183]

19 minutes ago, Fnord said:

No one but you did. Help me understand. Why does this matter?

It is an incorrect term as it defines transgenders in sexual terms, while being transgender is a lot more that just than who they have or don't have sex with, as it goes to their identity. Gay men rejected the term homosexual for similar reasons.

 

 

[jerryskids 6,781]

12 minutes ago, squistion said:

It is an incorrect term as it defines transgenders in sexual terms, while being transgender is a lot more that just than who they have or don't have sex with, as it goes to their identity. Gay men rejected the term homosexual for similar reasons.

 

 

Well, she's old school trans, from before the social contagion. 

Also, it's pretty clear from her tweet, and other things I've heard her say, that she is very concerned that people like her -- people with gender dysphoria who have medically transitioned -- are at risk of losing access to the medicines they require because of the things mentioned in the tweet:  social contagion, transing the kids, men in women's sports and safe spaces.

 

[jerryskids 6,781]

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