Make “Whites Only” Great Again

[seafoam1 3,072]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

I think he pretty much admitted it in the first video:

Leader: ”We have control over who our neighbors are, to protect our culture.”

Interviewer: “Are you effectively saying it’s a whites-only culture?”

Leader: ”A white American culture.”

You got me, I do like trolling the righties here.  I knew some would, but I gotta admit I was surprised by the number of folks claiming this wasn’t racist though. But let’s not kid ourselves, lots of people here love race baiting.  The initial thread title from @HellToupee about the Michigan stabber as an example.  Or @Cdub100 whenever a black person gets in a fight with a white person.

The biggest racist on the board calling everyone else racist. This is some funny stuff. 

[TimHauck 2,906]

1 minute ago, WhiteWonder said:

Well, I think a lot of folks are claiming this isn't racism because it's not. As I have repeatedly said, I believe a lot of the members of this group are probably racist but I do not think their actions or the general concept of establishing a community of similar individuals is racism. Just like I don't believe my friends Brazilian girl and her Brazilian community are engaging in racism even though when I was at their club I am sure there were some (mostly the other guys) who were giving me sideways glances like what is this white boy doing here. Brazilian women actually love white guys 

but like that guy said in the TMZ video, there is a difference between forced segregation on others and making a personal decision to segregate yourself

Seems like semantics IMO to say “yeah they’re probably racist but I don’t think their actions are racist.”  He essentially said in the TMZ video he wouldn’t let the interviewer in because he’s Jewish (although I’m sure @TBayXXXVII and @EternalShinyAndChrome would claim he wasn’t saying that).

To that point, I don’t think your examples of people looking at you weird is comparable.  Maybe if they denied you entry to the club it would be comparable.

[TBayXXXVII 2,552]

11 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Seems like semantics IMO to say “yeah they’re probably racist but I don’t think their actions are racist.”  He essentially said in the TMZ video he wouldn’t let the interviewer in because he’s Jewish (although I’m sure @TBayXXXVII and @EternalShinyAndChrome would claim he wasn’t saying that).

To that point, I don’t think your examples of people looking at you weird is comparable.  Maybe if they denied you entry to the club it would be comparable.

I think their agenda should be to keep liberals out.

[WhiteWonder 2,760]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Seems like semantics IMO to say “yeah they’re probably racist but I don’t think their actions are racist.”  He essentially said in the TMZ video he wouldn’t let the interviewer in because he’s Jewish (although I’m sure @TBayXXXVII and @EternalShinyAndChrome would claim he wasn’t saying that).

To that point, I don’t think your examples of people looking at you weird is comparable.  Maybe if they denied you entry to the club it would be comparable.

I don't think it's semantics at all. There are plenty of people in this country who have racist thoughts or ideals but don't actually do racist things. You also cant say that a bunch of similar people forming a group, club, community (whatever you want to call it) is a racist action. Do you want to start banning all clubs due to exclusion? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,491]

The NYPD had / has many fraternal organizations based on race or ethnicity. I would not have met the criteria to Join the Asian Jade society. Somehow we made it work. Many of you would have been able to join G.O.A.L. though. 

[Sandy Loam 134]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The NYPD had / has many fraternal organizations based on race or ethnicity. I would not have met the criteria to Join the Asian Jade society. Somehow we made it work. Many of you would have been able to join G.O.A.L. though. 

You more than met the criteria for the Fraternal Order of Manhattan Morons.

Congratulations!

[seafoam1 3,072]

14 minutes ago, Sandy Loam said:

You more than met the criteria for the Fraternal Order of Manhattan Morons.

Congratulations!

Poor rusty is still hurting. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,491]

18 minutes ago, Sandy Loam said:

You more than met the criteria for the Fraternal Order of Manhattan Morons.

Congratulations!

You haven’t done anything meaningful in your life. You’re hurting as you head towards the end. 

[TimHauck 2,906]

26 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I don't think it's semantics at all. There are plenty of people in this country who have racist thoughts or ideals but don't actually do racist things. You also cant say that a bunch of similar people forming a group, club, community (whatever you want to call it) is a racist action. Do you want to start banning all clubs due to exclusion? 

Again (and I’m saying “again” now since I mentioned it at the beginning of our conversation), I don’t know if it’s illegal, so I’m not saying to “ban” it.  Just that it’s racist.

Yes, I’m sure there are some clubs that are racist too if they explicitly deny entry based on race (I believe many actually would allow entry of those other than the specified group).  But I’m not saying to ban those either.

[WhiteWonder 2,760]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Again (and I’m saying “again” now since I mentioned it at the beginning of our conversation), I don’t know if it’s illegal, so I’m not saying to “ban” it.  Just that it’s racist.

Yes, I’m sure there are some clubs that are racist too if they explicitly deny entry based on race (I believe many actually would allow entry of those other than the specified group).  But I’m not saying to ban those either.

So is having a group or club whose members are only a certain ethnicity or a certain religion a no no? I think if you start saying that every community of similar individuals is racist, sexist, etc  you would have a hell of a time dissuading it. Nor should you really want to. I said dissuade, not ban. I think it's probably ridiculous to think that people are not going to come together over shared beliefs, traditions, hobbies, etc.  that is probably the main reason why I don't think racism is an issue here. They are not hurting anyone by choosing to segregate themselves. 

horrible, off the top of my head example,... but lets say you wanted to join a fishing club and you applied and they turned you down because you've never been fishing before and didn't know anything about the questions they asked you. They don't want you in their group because they don't consider you to be similar enough to them.... but they are not trying to stop you from fishing or from trying to join a different fishing club or even fishing on the same lake as them, you just wont be fishing with them as part of their club.

[seafoam1 3,072]

Me? I'll hang out with who I want to hang out with and not worry about what liberals think of me or anything else for that matter. 

This country should focus on destroying the Democrat party. They are all turning Marxist. 

[Sandy Loam 134]

29 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You haven’t done anything meaningful in your life. You’re hurting as you head towards the end. 

Your ongoing obsession with my life is creepy.

[TimHauck 2,906]

12 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

So is having a group or club whose members are only a certain ethnicity or a certain religion a no no? I think if you start saying that every community of similar individuals is racist, sexist, etc  you would have a hell of a time dissuading it. Nor should you really want to. I said dissuade, not ban. I think it's probably ridiculous to think that people are not going to come together over shared beliefs, traditions, hobbies, etc.  that is probably the main reason why I don't think racism is an issue here. They are not hurting anyone by choosing to segregate themselves. 

horrible, off the top of my head example,... but lets say you wanted to join a fishing club and you applied and they turned you down because you've never been fishing before and didn't know anything about the questions they asked you. They don't want you in their group because they don't consider you to be similar enough to them.... but they are not trying to stop you from fishing or from trying to join a different fishing club or even fishing on the same lake as them, you just wont be fishing with them as part of their club.

I understand your argument, and thank you for being rational unlike some of the people that have previously posted in this thread.

But for one, the topic is racism, so I don’t think a fishing club is relevant.   Or even an Italian American club for that matter, since Italian isn’t a race and there are of course black Italians.

You also seem to be focusing a lot on clubs.  This isn’t just a club that someone spends an hour a week at.  This is where these people live.  I think it can be argued that the people potentially being hurt are the children being raised there.  I believe their rules say you must be homeschooled, so we know the children are going to be indoctrinated to believe whatever the adults do.   What I’m curious to see, assuming this place sticks around, is what happens if one of their kids turns out to be gay. 

[seafoam1 3,072]

10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I understand your argument, and thank you for being rational unlike some of the people that have previously posted in this thread.

But for one, the topic is racism, so I don’t think a fishing club is relevant.   Or even an Italian American club for that matter, since Italian isn’t a race and there are of course black Italians.

You also seem to be focusing a lot on clubs.  This isn’t just a club that someone spends an hour a week at.  This is where these people live.  I think it can be argued that the people potentially being hurt are the children being raised there.  I believe their rules say you must be homeschooled, so we know the children are going to be indoctrinated to believe whatever the adults do.   What I’m curious to see, assuming this place sticks around, is what happens if one of their kids turns out to be gay. 

This is so fun this triggers you. You are just mess. Poor timHole. 

[WhiteWonder 2,760]

15 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I understand your argument, and thank you for being rational unlike some of the people that have previously posted in this thread.

But for one, the topic is racism, so I don’t think a fishing club is relevant.   Or even an Italian American club for that matter, since Italian isn’t a race and there are of course black Italians.

You also seem to be focusing a lot on clubs.  This isn’t just a club that someone spends an hour a week at.  This is where these people live.  I think it can be argued that the people potentially being hurt are the children being raised there.  I believe their rules say you must be homeschooled, so we know the children are going to be indoctrinated to believe whatever the adults do.   What I’m curious to see, assuming this place sticks around, is what happens if one of their kids turns out to be gay. 

The topic is racism because you made the topic racism. This community of people also seems to be trying to separate themselves from Jews.... religion, ethnicity  not race.  Just as Italian isn't a race.  Of course there are black Italians. 

I'm not focusing a lot on clubs. I have said communities many times in my posts today about this topic. It just so happens that clubs are a type of small community .  I spent a number of posts talking about neighborhoods as well.  I am very rational and I try to have legit discussions on topics, but it feels like you want to dismiss anything that doesn't fit into your racism narrative... so now I am "focusing a lot on clubs" 

If you think public schooled kids do not tend to believe what they hear and see at home, you are delusional. I understand being amongst others gives them a better chance to formulate their own opinions but reality is most still tend toward familial ideals. That's how kids begin as a certain religion or as liberal/conservative, etc. 

[TimHauck 2,906]

1 minute ago, WhiteWonder said:

The topic is racism because you made the topic racism. This community of people also seems to be trying to separate themselves from Jews.... religion, ethnicity  not race.  Just as Italian isn't a race.  Of course there are black Italians. 

I'm not focusing a lot on clubs. I have said communities many times in my posts today about this topic. It just so happens that clubs are a type of small community .  I spent a number of posts talking about neighborhoods as well. 

If you think public schooled kids do not tend to believe what they hear and see at home, you are delusional. I understand being amongst others gives them a better chance to formulate their own opinions but reality is most still tend toward familial ideals. That's how kids begin as a certain religion or as liberal/conservative, etc. 

The “leader” associates being Jewish with a race (and I know some folks like @Cdub100 and @iam90sbaby do too).  And he literally described the culture they want to “protect” as “white European.”  He made it about race, not me.

[seafoam1 3,072]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

The “leader” associates being Jewish with a race (and I know some folks like @Cdub100 and @iam90sbaby do too).  And he literally described the culture they want to “protect” as “white European.”  He made it about race, not me.

[WhiteWonder 2,760]

On 7/26/2025 at 10:21 AM, TimHauck said:

Found your next residence, @Cdub100 and @iam90sbaby.  No blacks, Jews, or gays allowed.

 

I’m sure some idiots here will somehow try to claim this isn’t racist.

Will be interesting to see how it plays out in the courts.  The “leader” claims they don’t sell real estate, so maybe it’s just a cult.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5419057-whites-only-community-return-to-the-land-missouri-arkansas/

Their website: https://returntotheland.org/about

 

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

The “leader” associates being Jewish with a race (and I know some folks like @Cdub100 and @iam90sbaby do too).  And he literally described the culture they want to “protect” as “white European.”  He made it about race, not me.

 

Nope. You literally made the topic strictly about the potential racist aspect.  You even called out the same two posters in your first AND most recent posts 

You could have started this topic and asked if people think there is anything wrong with a community like this segregating themselves but your focus was entirely on the racism aspect. 

[TimHauck 2,906]

6 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

 

 

Nope. You literally made the topic strictly about the potential racist aspect.  You even called out the same two posters in your first AND most recent posts 

You could have started this topic and asked if people think there is anything wrong with a community like this segregating themselves but your focus was entirely on the racism aspect. 

Well the leader of this group doesn’t post on FFToday (maybe he should though, lots of potential members!), so yes, you got me, I am the one that started the thread.  But again, the leader said the purpose of the group is to protect white American culture, he made it about race. 

[WhiteWonder 2,760]

11 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Well the leader of this group doesn’t post on FFToday (maybe he should though, lots of potential members!), so yes, you got me, I am the one that started the thread.  But again, the leader said the purpose of the group is to protect white American culture, he made it about race. 

Classic sarcasm as a defense mechanism. We know this group leader doesn't post at FFToday. What does that have to do with the intent behind your OP?

American isn't a race.  and it's extremely telling that you @'ed the same two posters. You clearly had an agenda with this topic. Even saying anyone who claimed it wasnt racist would be an idiot, so you obviously were not looking to have rational discussion....  You mentioned being surprised at the number of folks saying it wasn't racist and I wonder if you were expecting more outrage and backing from people like timcrotch, mdc, etc. and it just didn't go the way you hoped? 

[The Real timschochet 6,832]

55 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

 and not worry about what liberals think of me 

lol dude you obsess over what liberals think of you. It’s all you ever post about. 

[TimHauck 2,906]

2 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Classic sarcasm as a defense mechanism. We know this group leader doesn't post at FFToday. What does that have to do with the intent behind your OP?

American isn't a race.  and it's extremely telling that you @'ed the same two posters. You clearly had an agenda with this topic. Even saying anyone who claimed it wasnt racist would be an idiot....  You mentioned being surprised at the number of folks saying it wasn't racist and I wonder if you were expecting more outrage and backing from people like timcrotch, mdc, etc. and it just didn't go the way you hoped? 

I’m not denying that the thread was intended to be about race.  But I made the thread about race because the leader of the group made the group about race.

The two posters I tagged in the OP are to my knowledge the only 2 posters here that actually admit to being racist, that’s why I tagged them (and I know at least one of them, maybe both have said Jewish was a race which is why I tagged them again in the more recent post).

I believe the liberal posters have agreed it’s racist (as well as some conservatives like @RLLD), so not sure what I would be surprised by there.  I did point out though that some of the liberals explicitly said this group should be allowed to do this, since some conservatives like to sarcastically call Dems the “party of tolerance” or whatever 

[seafoam1 3,072]

9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

lol dude you obsess over what liberals think of you. It’s all you ever post about. 

Nope. I just like calling you out for your stupidity. I think the onslaught against you Marxist dopes needs to be neverending. 

[iam90sbaby 2,620]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

The “leader” associates being Jewish with a race (and I know some folks like @Cdub100 and @iam90sbaby do too).  And he literally described the culture they want to “protect” as “white European.”  He made it about race, not me.

You don’t think there should be white majority countries? Or Japanese? Or Kenyan? Etc… you think the entire world should just be mixed up and culture-less? Good take metal helmet man

[seafoam1 3,072]

1 minute ago, iam90sbaby said:

You don’t think there should be white majority countries? Or Japanese? Or Kenyan? Etc… you think the entire world should just be mixed up and culture-less? Good take metal helmet man

Imagine a world council telling us who we need to live with. Who we should be friends with, marry, be best friends with, and what color kids we should have. 

[TimHauck 2,906]

4 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

You don’t think there should be white majority countries? Or Japanese? Or Kenyan? Etc… you think the entire world should just be mixed up and culture-less? Good take metal helmet man

I don’t think countries should deny entry to people based solely on race, no.

[seafoam1 3,072]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I don’t think countries should deny entry to people based solely on race, no.

I do. Unless they are willing to assimilate to the conservative white culture and act accordingly. 

[iam90sbaby 2,620]

45 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I don’t think countries should deny entry to people based solely on race, no.

That’s not what I asked you retard 

[TimHauck 2,906]

1 minute ago, iam90sbaby said:

That’s not what I asked you retard 

My answer relates to my issue with this community, so your question was stupid 

[Cdub100 3,929]

22 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

My answer relates to my issue with this community, so your question was stupid 

I have a serious question. Why do Jews like you insist on destroying the culture that allows you to thrive? Because when you let in anybody as you suggest, you are destroying the dominant culture.

Is it your hatred for white people or is just something in your DNA?

[TimHauck 2,906]

28 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

I have a serious question. Why do Jews like you insist on destroying the culture that allows you to thrive? Because when you let in anybody as you suggest, you are destroying the dominant culture.

Is it your hatred for white people or is just something in your DNA?

I don’t think countries need to go out of their way to inject different cultures into their country, but they shouldn’t be explicitly preventing people from moving there just because they’re a different race.  There are plenty of countries that are primarily one race without denying entry to those of a different race, and that’s fine.

But America is a “nation of immigrants,” there really isn’t a “dominant culture” IMO.  Yes, as much as you joke about it, I do truly believe that diversity is our strength.  I think it’s cool to watch the Olympics for example and see all of our different races (including whites, obviously I don’t hate white people) represented, in contrast to a lot of the other countries there.

[seafoam1 3,072]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I don’t think countries need to go out of their way to inject different cultures into their country, but they shouldn’t be explicitly preventing people from moving there just because they’re a different race.  

Should be based on culture. Which often times is based on race. 

So, you are wrong again. 

[Cdub100 3,929]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I don’t think countries need to go out of their way to inject different cultures into their country, but they shouldn’t be explicitly preventing people from moving there just because they’re a different race.  There are plenty of countries that are primarily one race without denying entry to those of a different race, and that’s fine.

But America is a “nation of immigrants,” there really isn’t a “dominant culture” IMO.  Yes, as much as you joke about it, I do truly believe that diversity is our strength.  I think it’s cool to watch the Olympics for example and see all of our different races (including whites, obviously I don’t hate white people) represented, in contrast to a lot of the other countries there.

There's a saying that when people use "but" they don't mean what they said before it.

America is a nation of WHITE European immigrants. Jews like you ALWAYS leave that out. In fact, it was our national policy before the immigration act of 1965. You'll never guess who introduced that bill btw... oh wait, you probably can it was Emanuel Celler a jew. American policy targeted Western and some Eastern European areas for immigration. 

Western European culture is the dominant culture of America. It includes low-crime and high-trust societies, and it has built this nation.

[iam90sbaby 2,620]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

I don’t think countries need to go out of their way to inject different cultures into their country, but they shouldn’t be explicitly preventing people from moving there just because they’re a different race.  There are plenty of countries that are primarily one race without denying entry to those of a different race, and that’s fine.

But America is a “nation of immigrants,” there really isn’t a “dominant culture” IMO.  Yes, as much as you joke about it, I do truly believe that diversity is our strength.  I think it’s cool to watch the Olympics for example and see all of our different races (including whites, obviously I don’t hate white people) represented, in contrast to a lot of the other countries there.

Were you born stupid or did something happen along the way?

[seafoam1 3,072]

Just now, iam90sbaby said:

Were you born stupid or did something happen along the way?

I'm going with born. 

[TimHauck 2,906]

47 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Western European culture is the dominant culture of America. It includes low-crime and high-trust societies, and it has built this nation.

Weird, I seem to remember learning that there was a lot of discrimination against several of these groups like the Irish and Italians when they first arrived before they were truly accepted.

[TimHauck 2,906]

2 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

Were you born stupid or did something happen along the way?

Were you born racist or did something happen along the way?

[iam90sbaby 2,620]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Were you born racist or did something happen along the way?

If Jews aren’t a race (according to you) why do you keep calling it racism?

[seafoam1 3,072]

1 minute ago, iam90sbaby said:

If Jews aren’t a race (according to you) why do you keep calling it racism?

Oh great. Now he'll start calling it jewism. 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

On 7/26/2025 at 12:42 PM, TimHauck said:

What’s your opinion?  Are they both racist?

Who cares?  If blacks want to have their own community, go for it.  No one has cared.  For some reason, if whites what to have their own community, it's a huge deal.