Political violence

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Sorry I don’t like liars like you.  

OK sho. 

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7 hours ago, Sandy Loam said:

The right also has had neo-Nazis, the KKK, Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, Skinheads, etc.

Antifa is a largely disorganized group that pops up every now and then to protest what they perceive as fascism, although they went way too far in throwing a wide net over Trump and MAGA. It actually started in Europe as a group to confront Hitler and fascism. 

You'll never believe this, but BLM was a mostly peaceful movement with violent outliers, much like those who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 would be considered violent outliers of conservatives. 

What many don't understand is that thuggish opportunists are always there to take advantage of volatile situations. Watts Riots. Rodney King Riots. It's the same old crap. 

Here is a list of celebrities who have been involved in BLM:

https://www.harpersbazaar.com.sg/lifestyle/celebrities-gone-above-beyond-support-blm

. Says this then links to an article with Madonna as an example of a peaceful person.   You know, the one that said she’d like to see the White House blown up.  

[Ron_Artest 1,841]

13 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Weird how you never hear about those groups causing any trouble. Its almost as if they're nonviolent. 

Jan 6 

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3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Jan 6 

Fedsurrection 

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On 9/10/2025 at 3:59 PM, Strike said:

Same with Ben Shapiro and most conservatives.  The unhinged violent rhetoric is 99% from the lefties, INCLUDING some from this site.

Another lie from another liar that sucks at math 

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34 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Jan 6 

Keep hanging your hat on that because it's all you have. And it pales in comparison. 

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It’s weird to login to facebook and see who would approve of and/or equivocate if were you murdered for your political and religious beliefs.

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1 hour ago, 5-Points said:

OK sho. 

This explains soooooooooooo much if this is Slownuts

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1 minute ago, Meglamaniac said:

This explains soooooooooooo much if this is Slownuts

No I’m not, we around at the same time.

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17 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said:

This explains soooooooooooo much if this is Slownuts

Too many similarities. When you're discussing the micro, he insists on bringing up the macro. When you're discussing the macro, he nitpicks the micro. He feels it's his job, as the board police, to point out when he thinks somebody is spreading misinformation. The number of people who can't stand interacting with him because of all of this. 

If it posts like a duck...

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2 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Too many similarities. When you're discussing the micro, he insists on bringing up the macro. When you're discussing the macro, he nitpicks the micro. He feels it's his job, as the board police, to point out when he thinks somebody is spreading misinformation. The number of people who can't stand interacting with him because of all of this. 

If it posts like a duck...

Sorry there are a lot of people on this board that spread misinformation.  Many even continue to do so after it’s been proven wrong (Minnesota lawmaker murder thread as one example)

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4 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Too many similarities. When you're discussing the micro, he insists on bringing up the macro. When you're discussing the macro, he nitpicks the micro. He feels it's his job, as the board police, to point out when he thinks somebody is spreading misinformation. The number of people who can't stand interacting with him because of all of this. 

If it posts like a duck...

good call

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Sorry there are a lot of people on this board that spread misinformation.  Many even continue to do so after it’s been proven wrong (Minnesota lawmaker murder thread as one example)

So stop doing it

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1 minute ago, Meglamaniac said:

So stop doing it

LOL

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Just now, TimHauck said:

LOL

It's not funny slownuts

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US President supporting political violence.

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11 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Too many similarities. When you're discussing the micro, he insists on bringing up the macro. When you're discussing the macro, he nitpicks the micro. He feels it's his job, as the board police, to point out when he thinks somebody is spreading misinformation. The number of people who can't stand interacting with him because of all of this. 

If it posts like a duck...

very good post. Puts things into perspective when you look at it through the lens of this post

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15 hours ago, Mark Davis said:

IMO there's a difference is the old school liberalism and the Marxist leftist fringe that exists today.  It's taken hold, specifically amongst younger folks on the left.  Their views are anti capitalist much more so than for instance the posters here that are viewed on the left.  Marxism is much more violent, it's not about coexisting or accepting a difference of opinion.  I'm afraid that's what we are seeing on college campuses today.  It's not exclusively a young person issue but it's much more prevalent in polling. 

I don't think it's fair to young people to think of it in the manner you do here. Kids today are information savvy, much moreso than we ever were as kids (don't get me started on the things they are ignorant of that we were not, that's it's own thread). They are exposed to much more than we were. These kids understand that their future does not look as bright as ours did at that age. They know they won't be able to afford to buy a home and start a family in their 20s (or even 30s). They see AI, technological advancements, destruction of the environment and its protections, hollowing out of the safety net, the erosion of the social contract by their greedy, unscrupulous forebears, and do the math as to what that means for them. 

If you felt as though capitalist policy had derailed the future that used to be the goal of most Americans, one that your grandparents were able to achieve in far less time with far less income and education and debt, why wouldn't you question it? I'm not a communist or socialist, but I can see that either capitalism has failed us, or we have failed to properly buttress it from fraud, greed, profiteering, and theft. Either way, my kids will not enjoy the same lifestyle I have, and I will not fault them for not questioning things that we never did.

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53 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Too many similarities. When you're discussing the micro, he insists on bringing up the macro. When you're discussing the macro, he nitpicks the micro. He feels it's his job, as the board police, to point out when he thinks somebody is spreading misinformation. The number of people who can't stand interacting with him because of all of this. 

If it posts like a duck...

Shonuff didn’t appear to be employed either 

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22 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Good morning. I’ve avoided posting in the Charlie Kirk thread out of respect and because I remembered the reaction to the first attempt to assassinate Donald Trump- I knew that emotions would run high and I had no desire to contribute to what would inevitably be a very ugly back and forth. I would however, like to engage in a larger discussion about political violence in this country. There are three essential points I would like to make, keeping in mind that these are my opinions only: 

First, we are kidding ourselves by trying to pretend that political violence and assassinations are not normal in this country. Unfortunately the opposite is true: from Alexander Hamilton to Abraham Lincoln to JFK to the present day, this is who we are as a nation. We are a violent country and we more often than not settle our differences with violence. All those of goodwill would like it to be otherwise, but that’s not who we’ve been. What happened to Charlie Kirk is exactly who we’ve been. 

Second, political violence is not mostly caused by conservatives and is not mostly caused by liberals. Nor is it necessarily caused by extremists from either side (though this might be more often than not.) It is caused by people from all sides who are passionate about their beliefs and have decided that violence is the best means to achieve their goals. I would argue further that most of these people are not mentally ill; they made conscious, rational decisions to get to this point, even if (hopefully) most of us would disagree with that decision. 
 

Third: reading the Charlie Kirk thread, if one is able to put aside the threats and insults, the main argument being made by conservatives is that those of us on the left are culpable because our rhetoric against conservatives has, in recent times, been extremist, which invites violence against prominent conservatives. There is merit to this argument. I’m not going to pretend otherwise. Nor am I going to engage in whataboutisms though I could, because they’re irrelevant to the charge. (If I do something wrong my guilt is not lessened by the fact that others committed the same wrong, even if those others are the ones charging me with the crime.) What I WILL say is that, while I can’t speak for others, whenever I have used extremist language to describe aspects of the MAGA movement it was not done out of provocation but because I believe it to be true. My defense, therefore, is essentially integrity in my arguments. No doubt this will either not be believed or will not be acceptable to many here. But there it is. 
 

Political violence will never go away until we hit a breaking point.  No, I don't know what that breaking point will be and what the outcome will bring, but it's probably going to happen.  Why?  Because liberals view EVERY conservative ideology as "Hate".  It started with Obama where any time a Republican disagreed with him, it was because that person was racist.  Had nothing to do with the subject, just that, the Obama agenda was 100% correct and there was no "other side", so because that is the case, to disagree with him was purely because that person was racist.  That position won them the election 2008 and re-election in 2012, so that mindset is here to stay.  We know it's here because it didn't work out in 2016 (because no one actually liked Hillary), but it did in 2020.  It didn't work in 2024 (because no one actually liked Harris).  We all know that this approach works because Trump would never have won in 2016 or 2024 had the Democrats put forward someone who wasn't worse than Trump.  So, the Democrat battle plan to always claim Republican agenda's as "Hate", is here to stay.  I mean, it's still going on today, is it not?

People say "It's both sides that are guilty".  To an extent, this is true.  But a more accurate portrayal is "Actionary : Re-Actionary".  Democrats did it, it worked... Republicans had to respond in kind, because that's the message the country was buying.  So, because the Democrat platform of "Hate" is here to stay, so is Political Violence.

The reason that is here to stay is because the entire foundation of the Democrat party, is solely based on targeting "Victimhood".  The only way for the Democrat elites to stay in power, is to make sure there are always victims.  It's why I say they're the worst political organization to ever exist on this planet.  They are worst scumbags, ever.  They create victims be conjuring up some kind of problem, that isn't one, say those people are victims, and then blame Republicans.  The trans movement and illegal immigrants are the two most current.

Simply, your party is the problem.  You will say it's both, again, there's truth in that, but as I said "Actionary : Re-Actionary" is a better descripter.  If Democrats stop saying that every conservative talking point is "Hate", then division and (as a result), "Political Violence", is here to stay.

 

What you said: "Nor am I going to engage in whataboutisms though I could..."
What you meant: "I am a hypocrite and don't like being called out on it, so I'm going to ignore your statements".

 

It's here to stay because as your "Second" point states, you don't realize you are, in fact, the problem.

 

What's the over/under number on days when someone on the left says that Trump is "literally Hitler"?

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A massive problem is that outrage has become a commodity in the political world. Both people on the right and the left can sell it and can make money off of it. Political influencers make money on Youtube and on tours and all of that and it becomes very easy to demonize someone by saying purposely inflammatory garbage to make someone else the villain.

You have politicians who go on FOX News or MSNBC, or any of the other 24/7 news channels that just want content and they get that when the 12th representative from Alabama or California goes on there and finger points at the opposite side and calls them the downfall of democracy.

Then you have people who are on their phones or computers most of their waking moments looking at one article which leads to recommended articles like that one which eventually spirals into an echo chamber that doesn't challenge but rather just reinforces their beliefs they already held. And then the counter to that is to create manufactured debate to get likes and sell tickets and raise money.

We've fallen so far in political discourse from where we were even 20 or 30 years ago and it's only going to get worse in the wake of this. 

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27 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Shonuff didn’t appear to be employed either 

Loser was a stay at home that posted on the internet all day every day

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3 hours ago, supermike80 said:

You specifically called people racists on the PSF.  I was there, you included me in that.   You cannot lie your way out of it.  I remember it very well

I’m sorry, I think you must have misunderstood me.  I don’t call whole groups of people racist. Individuals yes, groups no. I don’t believe you’re a racist. Sorry you think I’m lying about this but I am not. 

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5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m sorry, I think you must have misunderstood me.  I don’t call whole groups of people racist. Individuals yes, groups no. I don’t believe you’re a racist. Sorry you think I’m lying about this but I am not. 

You've called me racist multiple times.  Such a POS.

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33 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Political violence will never go away until we hit a breaking point.  No, I don't know what that breaking point will be and what the outcome will bring, but it's probably going to happen.  Why?  Because liberals view EVERY conservative ideology as "Hate".  It started with Obama where any time a Republican disagreed with him, it was because that person was racist.  Had nothing to do with the subject, just that, the Obama agenda was 100% correct and there was no "other side", so because that is the case, to disagree with him was purely because that person was racist.  That position won them the election 2008 and re-election in 2012, so that mindset is here to stay.  We know it's here because it didn't work out in 2016 (because no one actually liked Hillary), but it did in 2020.  It didn't work in 2024 (because no one actually liked Harris).  We all know that this approach works because Trump would never have won in 2016 or 2024 had the Democrats put forward someone who wasn't worse than Trump.  So, the Democrat battle plan to always claim Republican agenda's as "Hate", is here to stay.  I mean, it's still going on today, is it not?

People say "It's both sides that are guilty".  To an extent, this is true.  But a more accurate portrayal is "Actionary : Re-Actionary".  Democrats did it, it worked... Republicans had to respond in kind, because that's the message the country was buying.  So, because the Democrat platform of "Hate" is here to stay, so is Political Violence.

The reason that is here to stay is because the entire foundation of the Democrat party, is solely based on targeting "Victimhood".  The only way for the Democrat elites to stay in power, is to make sure there are always victims.  It's why I say they're the worst political organization to ever exist on this planet.  They are worst scumbags, ever.  They create victims be conjuring up some kind of problem, that isn't one, say those people are victims, and then blame Republicans.  The trans movement and illegal immigrants are the two most current.

Simply, your party is the problem.  You will say it's both, again, there's truth in that, but as I said "Actionary : Re-Actionary" is a better descripter.  If Democrats stop saying that every conservative talking point is "Hate", then division and (as a result), "Political Violence", is here to stay.

 

What you said: "Nor am I going to engage in whataboutisms though I could..."
What you meant: "I am a hypocrite and don't like being called out on it, so I'm going to ignore your statements".

 

It's here to stay because as your "Second" point states, you don't realize you are, in fact, the problem.

 

What's the over/under number on days when someone on the left says that Trump is "literally Hitler"?

I can see that you and so many others here are absolutely convinced that this is the truth. (And President Trump agrees with you as well, based on his statements this morning.) 

I don’t think it’s the truth that liberals are more guilty , or that liberals started it. But I’m not going to try and convince you because I have already and it’s been pointless. What I will do instead is bring to your attention that there are many many liberals who believe that when it comes to political violence and hateful rhetoric towards the other side, conservatives are more guilty  and conservatives started it and liberals are only reacting. And FWIW I think they’re wrong too. 

This whole argument over who started it and who is more guilty is rather exhausting. Unless we move on from this it’s going to get worse. 

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4 minutes ago, Strike said:

You've called me racist multiple times.  Such a POS.

I have. When you’ve said racist things or justified racist acts. But I’ve come to believe that in most cases you’re trolling. 

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11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m sorry, I think you must have misunderstood me.  I don’t call whole groups of people racist. Individuals yes, groups no. I don’t believe you’re a racist. Sorry you think I’m lying about this but I am not. 

You said, anyone that votes for Trump is a racist.  That is what you said.   Pretty hard to misunderstand that Tim

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1 minute ago, supermike80 said:

You said, anyone that votes for Trump is a racist.  That is what you said.   Pretty hard to misunderstand that Tim

He says a lot of things he disavows later.  Just an all around POS. And I won't be disavowing that.   EVER.

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2 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

You said, anyone that votes for Trump is a racist.  That is what you said.   Pretty hard to misunderstand that Tim

Sorry. But I didn’t write that. I told you exactly what I wrote. @Strike is also wrong, I don’t disavow it because I didn’t write it. 

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So the left finally acknowledges the existence of antifa huh? When did that change?

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Sorry. But I didn’t write that. I told you exactly what I wrote. @Strike is also wrong, I don’t disavow it because I didn’t write it. 

No you didn't, and that is something I am pretty sure that I would remember if you did. 

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3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Sorry. But I didn’t write that. I told you exactly what I wrote. @Strike is also wrong, I don’t disavow it because I didn’t write it. 

Yes you did.  You ALWAYS do this.  Say something, then say you didn't say it, and then admit you said it but try to soften the words.  Just like your comment about women GOP/Trump voters being ugly.  Rinse and repeat.  Such a POS 

[Strike 5,825]

Just now, squistion said:

No you didn't, and that is something I am pretty sure that I would remember if you did. 

You're just as bad.  Oh, and the SC gave alphabet people rights a long time ago despite your claims to the contrary.

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7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Sorry. But I didn’t write that. I told you exactly what I wrote. @Strike is also wrong, I don’t disavow it because I didn’t write it. 

You're a liar.  You've always been a liar.  You absolutely have called all Trump voters racist.  Own it.

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3 minutes ago, Strike said:

He says a lot of things he disavows later.  Just an all around POS. And I won't be disavowing that.   EVER.

One of the differences between us is that you’re extremely hostile to those who disagree with you politically. You have the need, it seems, to believe they’re bad people. I think this is insecurity on your part. 

I think you’re a troll a lot of the time and your persona in this forum is one of a jerk. I have no idea if you’re an awful person in real life. Probably not based on the fact that most people aren’t bad people. I don’t feel any hostility towards you- takes too much energy. If you want to believe I’m a POS that’s your prerogative. I’ll continue speaking my mind because that’s my prerogative. Anytime you want to discuss issues with me and not waste time with this crap, you’re still welcome to do so. But I no longer care if you do or don’t. 

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12 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Sorry. But I didn’t write that. I told you exactly what I wrote. @Strike is also wrong, I don’t disavow it because I didn’t write it. 

Tim, you have been shown to be a liar many many times..  So you saying "i told you exactly what I wrote" holds little real value.

You said it, I remember it very well.    I b!tched at you about then, and I am reminding you of it now.  You absolutely said it.

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5 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

You're a liar.  You've always been a liar.  You absolutely have called all Trump voters racist.  Own it.

Didn’t he deny what he said about Polanski at first ? 

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4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

One of the differences between us is that you’re extremely hostile to those who disagree with you politically. You have the need, it seems, to believe they’re bad people. I think this is insecurity on your part. 

I think you’re a troll a lot of the time and your persona in this forum is one of a jerk. I have no idea if you’re an awful person in real life. Probably not based on the fact that most people aren’t bad people. I don’t feel any hostility towards you- takes too much energy. If you want to believe I’m a POS that’s your prerogative. I’ll continue speaking my mind because that’s my prerogative. Anytime you want to discuss issues with me and not waste time with this crap, you’re still welcome to do so. But I no longer care if you do or don’t. 

You say this same crap to someone here every week.  You've said it to me as many times as you've called me a racist. You've also promised to only post in your own dedicated thread at least 10 times.  It's all disingenuous BS.  And you're a welcher.on top of everything else.

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Didn’t he deny what he said about Polanski at first ? 

Of course he did.  He thought it was okay to be into young teenage girls if they look 18.