Woman shot in the face during 'ICE-related shooting' in Minneapolis

[Horseman 2,822]

21 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

I generally ignore 90% of his posts and replies to me but an official ignore is probably the way to go.

[thegeneral 3,801]

3 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Yeah, these guys think cops should have to wait until they're shot at before eliminating the threat. 

It doesn't work that way. 

What did you think about the DC cop who shot the lady in the Capitol?

[Ron_Artest 2,690]

2 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Just stop bro.  I’m telling u the tweet you posted sucks as definitive evidential value.  And now our digging in with it.  Laughable.  

Then why can't you just answer the question?

Yes I'm digging in.  Any honest person will agree that he's not standing in front of the car.  You can't admit that.  You're not an honest person.

We have a problem with facts and the truth in this country right now.  The admin doesn't believe in the truth.  Apparently you don't either.

[Horseman 2,822]

The ignore crew is so weak the ignore function doesn't work.  And they made it harder for themselves in the end because now they have to keep clicking "read post".   Grown ass men. 

[Horseman 2,822]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

Yes I'm digging in.  

Souldnt take very long.

Do people like you dig with a spoon?

[Ron_Artest 2,690]

A social media and phone surveillance system ICE bought access to is designed to monitor a city neighborhood or block for mobile phones, track the movements of those devices and their owners over time, and follow them from their places of work to home or other locations, according to material that describes how the system works obtained by 404 Media. 

Commercial location data, in this case acquired from hundreds of millions of phones via a company called Penlink, can be queried without a warrant, according to an internal ICE legal analysis shared with 404 Media. The purchase comes squarely during ICE’s mass deportation effort and continued crackdown on protected speech, alarming civil liberties experts and raising questions on what exactly ICE will use the surveillance system for. 

“This is a very dangerous tool in the hands of an out-of-control agency. This granular location information paints a detailed picture of who we are, where we go, and who we spend time with,” Nathan Freed Wessler, deputy project director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s (ACLU) Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project, told 404 Media.

ICE is spying on us.

https://archive.is/HYbBG#selection-601.0-621.340

[Hardcore troubadour 16,186]

8 minutes ago, Horseman said:

 

Nailed it.  

Mooney is mentally fragile. He was wishing I die this morning. I don’t wish Mooney would die. He’s fun 

[Sean Mooney 2,086]

8 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

You’re right, still frames will be presented.  But if a prosecutor throws up these pics and uses only them to definitely state fact, they will get destroyed.

I would agree that it most likely leads to a prosecutor losing. 

[shadrap 280]

permissible by law. 

[shadrap 280]

6 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

What did you think about the DC cop who shot the lady in the Capitol?

permissible by law.

[thegeneral 3,801]

1 minute ago, shadrap said:

permissible by law.

Yeah. 5 points felt differently. But this one is a-ok!

[Horseman 2,822]

3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

A social media and phone surveillance system ICE bought access to is designed to monitor a city neighborhood or block for mobile phones, track the movements of those devices and their owners over time, and follow them from their places of work to home or other locations, according to material that describes how the system works obtained by 404 Media. 

Commercial location data, in this case acquired from hundreds of millions of phones via a company called Penlink, can be queried without a warrant, according to an internal ICE legal analysis shared with 404 Media. The purchase comes squarely during ICE’s mass deportation effort and continued crackdown on protected speech, alarming civil liberties experts and raising questions on what exactly ICE will use the surveillance system for. 

“This is a very dangerous tool in the hands of an out-of-control agency. This granular location information paints a detailed picture of who we are, where we go, and who we spend time with,” Nathan Freed Wessler, deputy project director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s (ACLU) Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project, told 404 Media.

ICE is spying on us.

https://archive.is/HYbBG#selection-601.0-621.340

They've been doing that for years.  Suddenly it's news to you because Trump!  

You just keep getting more and more pathetic.   

[Ron_Artest 2,690]

1 minute ago, Horseman said:

They've been doing that for years.  Suddenly it's news to you because Trump!  

You just keep getting more and more pathetic.   

In September, 404 Media reported on ICE’s planned purchase of the technology, consisting of two Penlink products called Tangles and Webloc. 404 Media has now obtained material that explains in greater detail how the system works.

 

[Horseman 2,822]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

In September, 404 Media reported on ICE’s planned purchase of the technology, consisting of two Penlink products called Tangles and Webloc. 404 Media has now obtained material that explains in greater detail how the system works.

 

Read much?

 

[Horseman 2,822]

21 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

I generally ignore 90% of his posts and replies to me but an official ignore is probably the way to go.

[cyclone24 1,963]

17 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Then why can't you just answer the question?

Yes I'm digging in.  Any honest person will agree that he's not standing in front of the car.  You can't admit that.  You're not an honest person.

We have a problem with facts and the truth in this country right now.  The admin doesn't believe in the truth.  Apparently you don't either.

Lol there’s a clear bullet hole in the front windshield with spray fragments that goes straight out from there. Not to one side like you’re trying to portray. 
 

He was right in front of the car. This is just pure delusion because you hope to get Trump. It’s literally screwed up your brain to where you can’t see obvious things.

[Ron_Artest 2,690]

Just now, cyclone24 said:

Lol there’s a clear bullet hole in the front windshield with spray fragments that goes straight out from there. Not to one side like you’re trying to portray. 
 

He was right in front of the car. This is just pure delusion because you hope to get Trump. It’s literally screwed up your brain to where you can’t see obvious things.

OK perfect, see you are exactly the problem.  There is photo evidence of the agent standing to the side of the car when he fires the first shot, and you are so broken that you can't see it or can't admit it.

You can believe it's self defense, you can believe she had it coming, you can believe all of that and still be honest and admit he's not standing in front of the car as the frame clearly shows.

But for whatever reason, you're brain doesn't see it or you feel like you have to lie about it.

Too many people like you that cannot be honest.

[TimHauck 3,516]

Has DHS reported how many illegals they’ve picked up in Minneapolis so far?   Looks to me like a woman is dead because DHS wanted to own the libs after Nick Shirley’s video. 

[Horseman 2,822]

GutterBoy works in IT and he thinks today is the day the government finally acquired cell phone tracking capabilities.  

[MDC 8,215]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Has DHS reported how many illegals they’ve picked up in Minneapolis so far?   

Next time, Krist should consider not wishing the city a good morning on X. The element of surprise might help with this Very Serious Operation.  

[Frozenbeernuts 2,540]

Tensions are rising. Are democrats trying to keep calm with their base? Absolutely not. They want bloodshed. They are fanning the flames. Isn't that a red flag to liberals? If you let Trump take the ILLEGALS, we wouldn't have these problems.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,186]

Keep in mind that in these Democrat sanctuary cities that the local LE will not turn over illegal aliens that have committed violent crimes to ICE for deportation. They are making the situation worse. 

[Horseman 2,822]

Just now, Frozenbeernuts said:

Tensions are rising. Are democrats trying to keep calm with their base? Absolutely not. They want bloodshed. They are fanning the flames. Isn't that a red flag to liberals? If you let Trump take the ILLEGALS, we wouldn't have these problems.

It's illegals, not George Floyd, so the negroes will stay home.  The violence will continue like this deranged woman, but, the vast majority of the effeminate blue hair skyscreamers just like Money Hauck and Tiny are too scared to leave their houses most of the time. I'm confident the few that continue to make trouble will be delt with as efficiently as this woman was. 

[SaintsInDome2006 866]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Keep in mind that in these Democrat sanctuary cities that the local LE will not turn over illegal aliens that have committed violent crimes to ICE for deportation. They are making the situation worse. 

I’d be willing to agree with you in the middle, PD should’ve been there for crowd control. That makes the situation worse when they’re not present.

[cyclone24 1,963]

19 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

OK perfect, see you are exactly the problem.  There is photo evidence of the agent standing to the side of the car when he fires the first shot, and you are so broken that you can't see it or can't admit it.

You can believe it's self defense, you can believe she had it coming, you can believe all of that and still be honest and admit he's not standing in front of the car as the frame clearly shows.

But for whatever reason, you're brain doesn't see it or you feel like you have to lie about it.

Too many people like you that cannot be honest.

As soon as you can explain to me how there’s a bullet hole that’s a perfect round hole and you can even see the fragments going straight up and out to the left and right of that little hole is he not firing from right in front of her? If he shot from the side as you claim you’d have splattered glass going towards the middle of the windshield, but you don’t have that. Not to mention that oh I don’t know there’s actual photographic evidence that he’s standing in front of it that I’ve already posted.

[Ron_Artest 2,690]

3 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

As soon as you can explain to me how there’s a bullet hole that’s a perfect round hole and you can even see the fragments going straight up and out to the left and right of that little hole is he not firing from right in front of her? If he shot from the side as you claim you’d have splattered glass going towards the middle of the windshield, but you don’t have that. Not to mention that oh I don’t know there’s actual photographic evidence that he’s standing in front of it that I’ve already posted.

It is 100% possible to shoot through the windshield from where he is seen standing in the frame, which is not in front of the car.

As far as your theory of bullet fragments, if true then obviously it is possible, as we can clearly see he's not standing in front of the car when he fires that first shot.

[Reality 3,164]

6 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

It is 100% possible to shoot through the windshield from where he is seen standing in the frame, which is not in front of the car.

As far as your theory of bullet fragments, if true then obviously it is possible, as we can clearly see he's not standing in front of the car when he fires that first shot.

She drove into him, he somehow managed to not get run over.

This is real simple Bud.

I just saved you a bunch of trouble, you can move onto the next crisis. You're welcome.

[SaintsInDome2006 866]

54 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

A social media and phone surveillance system ICE bought access to is designed to monitor a city neighborhood or block for mobile phones, track the movements of those devices and their owners over time, and follow them from their places of work to home or other locations, according to material that describes how the system works obtained by 404 Media. 

Commercial location data, in this case acquired from hundreds of millions of phones via a company called Penlink, can be queried without a warrant, according to an internal ICE legal analysis shared with 404 Media. The purchase comes squarely during ICE’s mass deportation effort and continued crackdown on protected speech, alarming civil liberties experts and raising questions on what exactly ICE will use the surveillance system for. 

“This is a very dangerous tool in the hands of an out-of-control agency. This granular location information paints a detailed picture of who we are, where we go, and who we spend time with,” Nathan Freed Wessler, deputy project director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s (ACLU) Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project, told 404 Media.

ICE is spying on us.

https://archive.is/HYbBG#selection-601.0-621.340

This is supposed to be FBI work, & absent a warrant it’s illegal unless it’s collaterally captured through surveillance of foreign adversaries.

[jerryskids 7,248]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

There is a video.  You can see and hear the shot, and then isolate the frame.

Honest question.  Do you think the officer jumped to the side, said to himself "self, Ima shoot this lady in the face, yahtzee!" and shot her?  Because you've called this a murder and him a murderer more times than I can count.

[SaintsInDome2006 866]

7 minutes ago, Reality said:

She drove into him, he somehow managed to not get run over.

This is real simple Bud.

I just saved you a bunch of trouble, you can move onto the next crisis. You're welcome.

Why do I have to the feeling Jarrod Rodriguez, “Boomer conservative dad stuck in a gay dude’s body” with an AI avatar of a shirtless guy in a pool, may not be ace on his legal research.

[cyclone24 1,963]

17 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

It is 100% possible to shoot through the windshield from where he is seen standing in the frame, which is not in front of the car.

As far as your theory of bullet fragments, if true then obviously it is possible, as we can clearly see he's not standing in front of the car when he fires that first shot.

OK, let’s do this if you’re that confident let’s exchange Venmo’s. I’ll bet you any amount that makes you uncomfortable that when they get this back, they will not have a gunshot to the side of the head. They’re gonna have one right in her face from the front. 
Could there be a second shot to her side? Maybe but I guarantee there’s gonna be one right dead center from that shot. 
 

This is pure TDS. It’s so bizarre.

[Engorgeous George 2,347]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

@Engorgeous George....question for you as IIRC you are a lawyer/have a law background.

So hypothetically say this will go to a trial of some kind (I doubt it will but who knows)....outside of any of the previous legal issues- how does what JD Vance said in his press conference yesterday complicate matters? As a recap he basically said the ICE agent had been hit and drug by a car before requiring 33 stitches so "You think maybe he’s a little bit sensitive about somebody ramming him with an automobile?" 

Wouldn't that just open another door for a prosecutor to attack the ICE agent and the whole process? Because now you are going to call into question the process of putting officers back into the field and allow criticism of timelines of reactions to trauma and all that.

So I guess- do you think by opening up more doors (potentially) does it ultimately weaken or strengthen any case that can be brought?

Sorry, I cannot provide a definitive answer.  Self defense is interesting and always evolving and with differences in different jurisdictions.  Most commonly it means one was objectively reasonable in believing they were in danger of death or serious bodily harm and they responded with relatively proportional an neccessary force having no other reasonable or accessible means of escaping the danger, say for instance by stepping aside or leaving.  That is, however, not universally true in state jurisdictions.  So first one would have to ask who is prosecuting the officer, the state or the feds.  Next, we humans are not decisional algorithms.  We truely blur the line between subjective and objective reality all the time so  the Officer's subjective belief will try to be argued as objective and will be judged after the fact by jurors with their own beliefs and perceptions and expectations.  The fact that you have asked the question is probably your answer.  Some may consider the Vice Presidents comments, or at least his analysis relavent and try to pursue that line of questioning.  I believe a judge would not allow the Vice president's comments to become part of the questioning, but the train of thought behind them certainly could come in.

 

Sounds like you would hope it would be argued or wonder whether it should be argued that the particular Officer, given his past experience did not and could not evaluate the situation reasonably or objectively.  Certainly that could happen, particularly when safety was a mere step away as evidence by the safety of the ctwo officers only one step back and over.     

[thegeneral 3,801]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Honest question.  Do you think the officer jumped to the side, said to himself "self, Ima shoot this lady in the face, yahtzee!" and shot her?  Because you've called this a murder and him a murderer more times than I can count.

Right. From a legal standpoint it cannot be called murder.

How it escalated to this, that he put himself in that situation over a partially blocked roadway is very questionable.

For most normal humans this video is tough to watch. Coming away from it and thinking that’s how I want this police force to act, with what we were just told have absolute immunity by our government, is crazy to me. 

[Ron_Artest 2,690]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Honest question.  Do you think the officer jumped to the side, said to himself "self, Ima shoot this lady in the face, yahtzee!" and shot her?  Because you've called this a murder and him a murderer more times than I can count.

Yes I do.  Watch the whole video.  He walks around the right side of the vehicle while the driver is looking left.  He walks right in front of the car while she reverses.  Instead of getting out of the way, he likely says to himself, fock you I'm not letting you get away and he pulls his weapon.  As she goes into drive, he takes a side step with his weapon drawn and fires as she's driving away from him.  I think he was angry, maybe has some PTSD from the earlier incident, and didn't want to de-escalate the situation as he easily could have.  I believe he murdered her, and then immediately after he probably regretted it, just like the other agents there that just noped out of the whole situation.

[Strike 6,115]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Right. From a legal standpoint it cannot be called murder.

 

Then it can't be called murder, PERIOD, since murder is a legal definition.

[Strike 6,115]

4 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Sorry, I cannot provide a definitive answer.  Self defense is interesting and always evolving and with differences in different jurisdictions.  Most commonly it means one was objectively reasonable in believing they were in danger of death or serious bodily harm and they responded with relatively proportional an neccessary force having no other reasonable or accessible means of escaping the danger, say for instance by stepping aside or leaving.  That is, however, not universally true in state jurisdictions.  So first one would have to ask who is prosecuting the officer, the state or the feds.  Next, we humans are not decisional algorithms.  We truely blur the line between subjective and objective reality all the time so  the Officer's subjective belief will try to be argued as objective and will be judged after the fact by jurors with their own beliefs and perceptions and expectations.  The fact that you have asked the question is probably your answer.  Some may consider the Vice Presidents comments, or at least his analysis relavent and try to pursue that line of questioning.  I believe a judge would not allow the Vice president's comments to become part of the questioning, but the train of thought behind them certainly could come in.

 

Sounds like you would hope it would be argued or wonder whether it should be argued that the particular Officer, given his past experience did not and could not evaluate the situation reasonably or objectively.  Certainly that could happen, particularly when safety was a mere step away as evidence by the safety of the ctwo officers only one step back and over.     

In case you're curious, this is the current use of force policy for DHS/ICE:

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2023-02/23_0206_s1_use-of-force-policy-update.pdf

[Ron_Artest 2,690]

5 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

OK, let’s do this if you’re that confident let’s exchange Venmo’s. I’ll bet you any amount that makes you uncomfortable that when they get this back, they will not have a gunshot to the side of the head. They’re gonna have one right in her face from the front. 
Could there be a second shot to her side? Maybe but I guarantee there’s gonna be one right dead center from that shot. 
 

This is pure TDS. It’s so bizarre.

I'm not giving you my venmo.

As far as gunshot wounds go, as I stated, you can stand next to the front quarter panel and fire a shot into the windshield which enters the victim in the front of the face.  Try it yourself.  Stand where we see the officer standing in that frame, left quarter panel of a car.  Point your finger to look like a gun.  Point it at the windshield where a drivers head should be and it will all line up.

There. Is. Video. Evidence.

[thegeneral 3,801]

Just now, Strike said:

Then it can't be called murder, PERIOD, since murder is a legal definition.

Negligence. But yeah cops a far as I know legally get leeway because of the nature of their jobs. 

The rest of my post you removed for whatever reason is the important part here to me. This ICE force needs to be put in check. The people running this thing are doing a huge disservice. 

[Ron_Artest 2,690]

7 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Right. From a legal standpoint it cannot be called murder.

How it escalated to this, that he put himself in that situation over a partially block roadway is very questionable.

For most normal humans this video is tough to watch. Coming away from it and thinking that’s how I want this police force with what we were just told have absolute immunity by our government is crazy to me. 

Second-Degree Murder
This involves an intentional killing that was not planned in advance. It sits between the "cold-blooded" nature of first-degree murder and the "hot-blooded" nature of manslaughter.

Intent to Cause Harm: The perpetrator intended to cause serious bodily injury, and that injury resulted in death.

Depraved Heart: This refers to conduct that is so extremely reckless and shows such a "callous disregard for human life" that it results in death.

[squistion 2,698]

No liberal riots yet as originally predicted in the OP but there were protests yesterday.