How to handle Ingram and AP situation

[werethemillers 3]

So I'm in a 6 keeper league, and own both Ingram and AP. I'm also keeping Crowell and Baldwin, B.Cooks, Brady.

This is a PPR league.

 

If I tried to ship Ingram-what type of value would he be worth? He's currently like RB20-25 depending on sites, but finished as RB10 last year? In PPR at least.

 

Does AP being on the team hurt Ingram or could they both be fantasy relevant like Freeman/Coleman?

 

Are both viable starters each week? For example RB1-Crow, RB2-Ingram, Flex-AP(touchdown machine?)

[Brutal Brutus 182]

I think both start off each getting 10-15 touches a week, putting up flex/RB2 type numbers, and then one of two things happen. AP stays healthy, looks great, takes over the lead role and carries fantasy teams to a championship, or AP gets hurt and Sean Payton is forced to only use Ingram and he puts up RB1/2 numbers. I can't see AP staying healthy and not beating out Ingram for touches by week 3 or 4. Every year it seems Payton attempts to give the starting role to just about anyone but Ingram, but he's always forced to give it back to Ingram due to injury or lack of production.

[Maulers1973 117]

If AP is healthy, he will eventually become the lead back. I think he would be huge if the Saints can get a lead and then use AP to grind it out on the ground when the defense is gassed.

[The Postman 3]

AP is done guys. He is not an elite back anymore. It doesn't matter if he stays healthy he will not put up RB2 stats. He was borderline in Minny being the number 1​, the O line is no better in the big easy!

[werethemillers 3]

Yeah I've had similar thoughts.

What about Kamara? Training camp and practice news says he looks really good on the field, sometimes better than AP.

Is he just replacing Cadet and not relevant unless an injury occurs?

[The Postman 3]

I watched him in Knoxville many times. He is great as a receiver but I don't think he is a 3 down guy for sure. Great in the open field.

[Maulers1973 117]

AP is done guys. He is not an elite back anymore. It doesn't matter if he stays healthy he will not put up RB2 stats. He was borderline in Minny being the number 1​, the O line is no better in the big easy!

 

 

Tell me again about that deep threat passing game that kept defenses honest. Oh wait, that's right, no Brees, no MT, no Snead. Bradford had 3800 with 20 TD's. My grandma could do that. Brees had 5200 and 37 TD's. That's scares DC's and gets them to pull their safeties back. Put it this way, if Ingram was on the Vikings last year, he'd probably be out of the league right now. AP, when healthy, is far more talented than Ingram. He just is.

 

In fact, if he doesn't suffer a serious injury, AP will be a top 10 FF pts RB easily!!

[The Postman 3]

Pleassse... tell me how the previous and current RBs have done with Brees and the deep threat. The O line is HORRIBLE!!!!!

[The Postman 3]

I have been a Vikings fan forever and I watched AP at his peak. He was close to the best I've ever seen but he is done. He has no burst whatsoever anymore.

[Maulers1973 117]

Pleassse... tell me how the previous and current RBs have done with Brees and the deep threat. The O line is HORRIBLE!!!!!

 

Ok, sure. Ingram a mediocre talent at RB turned in a top 10 PPR season last year. Oh, and he was benched briefly in favor of journeyman Hightower. Yet, you don't think AP can do the same or better if he stays healthy? Ha! I do.

[The Postman 3]

Then take him by all means. I love the man but he is not the man he was, not close.

[Hawkeye21 1,854]

 

Ok, sure. Ingram a mediocre talent at RB turned in a top 10 PPR season last year. Oh, and he was benched briefly in favor of journeyman Hightower. Yet, you don't think AP can do the same or better if he stays healthy? Ha! I do.

 

Why is Ingram only a mediocre RB?

[Crystal Meth Tweekers 26]

I don't know but I think Ingram is the value pick here. Most leagues I am in these fools will reach for Peterson.

[IGotWorms 3,315]

AP is an old man at a young man's position.

 

And he's an injury waiting to happen.

 

So how I'd play it is enjoy the huge discount on Ingram

[Matt Mueller 146]

Ive been on team Ingram for a couple years. Might be the most perplexing fantasy player in the league.

 

I think the above Rb2/Flex scenario is likely but I'm in the camp Ingram could be a league winner if AP breaks down.

 

Ingram har a top 10 rb last season with Hightower taking 130 rushes and 22 catches.

 

How many is AP realistically going to handle weekly?

[Matt Mueller 146]

I could be totally off base here and AP could look like a league winner after a couple weeksbut I would argue that Saints are still a team that projects to be defensively challenged in a high scoring division and could see many weeks of chasing points late.

 

While it's fully possible that Peterson who had McKinnon spell him on most 3rd down and a rookie in Kamara wcome in make this a total weekly mish mosh I would argue that the running backs the saints had last year in Hightower and cadet both have more NFL 3rd down experience, especially in the saints system, than either of these two that have never taken a real snap with them yet.

 

Cadet had 40 catches last year. The saints have always been rbbc.

 

There plenty of room for Peterson to make some nice runs and kamara to make some big plays.

 

I think as far as an actual assembly of running backs the saints could have one of the best in years and that scares people away.

 

I think Ingram could be the guy they lean on, in crucial 3rd downs late in games.

 

He's the only saint with any experience in the role.

[seafoam1 1,879]

Im staying away from new orleans rbs. new england rbs. seattle rbs. im sure there are others.

[Hawkeye21 1,854]

Im staying away from new orleans rbs. new england rbs. seattle rbs. im sure there are others.

I'm with you on this one for the most part. I don't mind considering one late in the draft when it's like my 5th RB.

[Matt Mueller 146]

Im staying away from new orleans rbs. new england rbs. seattle rbs. im sure there are others.

Here's my take. I think in redraft I agree.

 

In dynasty when the price goes down on individual pieces in an elite backfield I think you buy.

[werethemillers 3]

Great debate going everyone! Helps me zero lol, but seriously I love the back and forth, it actually does help give more insight on the situation.

 

Since it's a Keeper league, I grabbed AP in a trade bundle so I could control the saints RB situation. Redraft though I'd be avoiding this entire backfield unless I got them at a good value.

 

I'm leaning towards Ingram being the guy, especially if AP gets hurt or can't be the flashy player he used to(frank gore is still playing, beast mode is coming back, Murray had best season ever last year at 29, age isn't everything here despite what statistics say so AP could definitely go off and have a big year)

but there's always Peyton's disdain for Ingram which screws up everything too lol

[seafoam1 1,879]

Here's my take. I think in redraft I agree.

 

In dynasty when the price goes down on individual pieces in an elite backfield I think you buy.

In this case, Im buying all in on Kamara.

[BLS 313]

Honestly with 3 decent/good RB's, it should seem obvious to stay away.

Yes, there's a chance there's a homerun in this mess somewhere. Good luck finding it.

[NEWPOSTERGUY! 267]

CJ Spiller

 

remember that kid from a couple years ago? big fanfare signing w/N'Awlins, and a back much more suited to the Payton/Brees offensive scheme.

 

'cept he couldn't get on the field, because he never mastered the playbook. Brees apparently ostracized the dude, and wanted no part of him. now, he did get some burn, but nothing even remotely in the ballpark of what folks expected (even after going 80 yds for a walk off OT TD vs Dallas in week 3).

 

 

now, AP is not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer... i do not expect him to somehow morph into 'genius' anytime soon.

 

add to all the above the fact that AP was always a liability in pass pro, and learning route trees ... so much so that the Vikes had to snag Gearhead in the second round (after AP's rookie season), even though they already had a "generational" talent rostered. that Viking team was faaaaarrrr from the '76 Stillers or the '84 'Niners ... they had glaring needs, yet they had to bypass other areas to firm up their backfield even though 'Purple Jesus' was in tow.

 

CJ Spiller.

 

i believe he was cut by week 10, iirc.

 

AP's only tangible value will be in the GL packages, IF he can gain the trust of Brees/Payton. but if you play ppr, and AP doesn't find paydirt, get used to plenty of 3 or 4 point weeks (provided he doesn't lose a fumble or two, which he has also been known to do).

 

AVOID.

[werethemillers 3]

CJ Spiller

 

remember that kid from a couple years ago? big fanfare signing w/N'Awlins, and a back much more suited to the Payton/Brees offensive scheme.

 

'cept he couldn't get on the field, because he never mastered the playbook. Brees apparently ostracized the dude, and wanted no part of him. now, he did get some burn, but nothing even remotely in the ballpark of what folks expected (even after going 80 yds for a walk off OT TD vs Dallas in week 3).

 

 

now, AP is not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer... i do not expect him to somehow morph into 'genius' anytime soon.

 

add to all the above the fact that AP was always a liability in pass pro, and learning route trees ... so much so that the Vikes had to snag Gearhead in the second round (after AP's rookie season), even though they already had a "generational" talent rostered. that Viking team was faaaaarrrr from the '76 Stillers or the '84 'Niners ... they had glaring needs, yet they had to bypass other areas to firm up their backfield even though 'Purple Jesus' was in tow.

 

CJ Spiller.

 

i believe he was cut by week 10, iirc.

 

AP's only tangible value will be in the GL packages, IF he can gain the trust of Brees/Payton. but if you play ppr, and AP doesn't find paydirt, get used to plenty of 3 or 4 point weeks (provided he doesn't lose a fumble or two, which he has also been known to do).

 

AVOID.

 

Wouldn't this benefit Ingram and his fantasy value then? Hold AP as a handcuff to Ingram?

[NEWPOSTERGUY! 267]

 

Wouldn't this benefit Ingram and his fantasy value then? Hold AP as a handcuff to Ingram?

Ingram > Kamara > AP

 

that's how i see it - one of the more prolific offenses in the game, so i'll gamble on Ingram if he falls to me.

 

but, make no mistake, i want NO PART of AP - he is being tasked with learning the most intricate offense he's ever been associated with - FAIL.

[The Postman 3]

I will avoid NO and Seattle backfields. I also don't care much for Atlanta backs for the same reason even tho talent wise, they have 2 that are seriously legit!!

[Matt Mueller 146]

This guy makes my Ingram arguement pretty well. Take a look at the part on efficiency

 

https://www.thefantasyfootballers.com/articles/fantasy-football-dont-sleep-mark-ingram/

 

 

 

 

Efficiency

In 2016, Ingram was wildly efficient by just about every metric. His yards per carry was 5.1 and his fantasy points per touch was 0.965. In a vacuum, that number seems a bit abstract. To put it in perspective Ingram’s mark of 0.965 was higher than Le’Veon Bell (0.944), Ezekiel Elliott (0.919), DeMarco Murray (0.849), and even Jay Ajayi (0.750) who was basically known for explosive plays. In fact, Ingram was the 4th most efficient RB in the league with at least 250 touches. This efficiency allowed Ingram to be the only RB to finish in the top 12 with fewer than 280 touches (he had 251). He’s shown that he can excel in the passing game as well as goal line situations, both of which make him an extremely valuable asset in what is perennially one of the most high-powered offenses in the league.

[werethemillers 3]

So those in favor of Ingram(love that article link btw!), do you use a keeper pick on AP to handcuff Ingram?

 

Or keep a player like K.Allen or Moncreif? Or even T.Coleman?

 

My RB1/2 is Crowell and Ingram

WR is Baldwin and B.cooks

Also keeping Brady

Costs nothing to keep players, can only keep 6.

[murf74 461]

How many 32 yr old rbs coming off injuries go to a new team at end of career and succeed.

[IGotWorms 3,315]

How many 32 yr old rbs coming off injuries go to a new team at end of career and succeed.

Has it ever happened? Corey Dillon was 30 when he went to the Pats and had one monster year. That's about all I can think of

[Maulers1973 117]

I'm starting to re-think this. I'll be watching the Saints 3rd preseason game quite closely.

[joeshushu 51]

I took Ingram as my second RB in a full PPR 12 team at 6.05 and Peterson went 7.09.

[werethemillers 3]

I took Ingram as my second RB in a full PPR 12 team at 6.05 and Peterson went 7.09.

Interesting, AP's ADP seems to be averaging around 5.05-5.10, which I find odd since its higher than Ingrams ADP

[the newb 23]

Interesting, AP's ADP seems to be averaging around 5.05-5.10, which I find odd since its higher than Ingrams ADP

Good.

I hope it stays that way

[tanatastic 2,061]

How many 32 yr old rbs coming off injuries go to a new team at end of career and succeed.

Yea but to play devils advocate, how many RB [insert odds defying AP accomplishment]? I'm not touching him unless it's the 7th or so, but a once in a generation talent with an all time QB has potential at any playing age. I'm not optimistic, even though he's prob my fav player of the last decade.

[murf74 461]

Yea but to play devils advocate, how many RB [insert odds defying AP accomplishment]? I'm not touching him unless it's the 7th or so, but a once in a generation talent with an all time QB has potential at any playing age. I'm not optimistic, even though he's prob my fav player of the last decade.

If he had played well recently I would still consider him current generational talent. In other words just cause he had talent 2 years ago means nothing in the NFL today

[Drizzay 646]

AD can't run out of shotgun.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,584]

Im staying away from new orleans rbs. new england rbs. seattle rbs. im sure there are others.

 

not me, I like grabbing Prosise and Lewis in the 9th+

[Matt Mueller 146]

 

not me, I like grabbing Prosise and Lewis in the 9th+

 

This is a man I could draft with.

 

Just pulled a 10.4 Procise copy in our FFtoday IBL league. Dion on Deck!

 

Raiders Revenge hoooo!