tikigods 76 Posted July 5, 2018 This is a big reason why I voted for Trump https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/05/china-ease-trade-retaliation-fears-670334 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted July 5, 2018 Fvck yeah. Make them sweat. I am all for this trade war. See if we can get a better deal by flexing our muscle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted July 5, 2018 While it's not guaranteed to work, I think short term pain for a potential long term gain is worth this risk. It's kind of like getting surgery. You don't avoid surgery because the recovery is painful. You get it and hope the surgery works, knowing the short term is going to suck a bit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 1,853 Posted July 5, 2018 I have yet to see how this is benefiting us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted July 5, 2018 I have yet to see how this is benefiting us. I would hope That Trump wouldn't do this if there wasn't some type of benefit in the future. It does piss me off how he talks about American goods and Chinese tarrifs like he is above it all, when his own apparel is made in China. But whatever. Everyone is a hypocrite at some point Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LOD01 191 Posted July 5, 2018 So far is being won bigly by Trump. HSI down bigly since Trump started ###### with them. US markets weathering the storm. We can find other suppliers, they can't find other buyers. They will crumble under the power of Trump. Look at that Nasdaq go as their index is in bear market territory. We are buying the dips and they are eating our SHlT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 1,853 Posted July 5, 2018 So far is being won bigly by Trump. HSI down bigly since Trump started ###### with them. US markets weathering the storm. We can find other suppliers, they can't find other buyers. They will crumble under the power of Trump. I hope you're right but I haven't seen any proof of that yet. The tariffs are already affecting a lot of Americans. The long term gains better be worth it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LOD01 191 Posted July 5, 2018 I hope you're right but I haven't seen any proof of that yet. The tariffs are already affecting a lot of Americans. The long term gains better be worth it. You are never going to get instant results in the things Trump is trying. This, North Korea, the wall, lower taxes increasing GDP, etc. I have no idea if they will work and no one else does but it's a welcome change and as long as the markets go up, then his ideas are not bad. Just a disclaimer, as a reader of Avi Gilburt articles and 'Elliott Wave Theory', I'm watching and prepping for the 20-30% selloff he predicts will happen after we go past S&P 3000, sometime in 2019 or 2020. I will not be in the market when that happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 1,853 Posted July 5, 2018 You are never going to get instant results in the things Trump is trying. This, North Korea, the wall, lower taxes increasing GDP, etc. I have no idea if they will work and no one else does but it's a welcome change and as long as the markets go up, then his ideas are not bad. Just a disclaimer, as a reader of Avi Gilburt articles and 'Elliott Wave Theory', I'm watching and prepping for the 20-30% selloff he predicts will happen after we go past S&P 3000, sometime in 2019 or 2020. I will not be in the market when that happens. So, in one post you say he's winning bigly then in another you say you have no idea if it's going to work. From what I've been reading there have not been many positive results from the tariffs. More negatives than positives. Like you said, it's to soon to know what the long term results will be but I certainly don't see the possibilities yet. It's hard for me to trust the man and I find it troublesome that so many others seem to trust him blindly. I know many want some major changes but I hope they're not going to be ones we regret. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted July 5, 2018 These tariffs have been going on for a whole 3 months and I see no results yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 1,853 Posted July 5, 2018 These tariffs have been going on for a whole 3 months and I see no results yet. Layoffs have already happened in some industries. Prices from my vendors have already increased. Availability of some products has been affected. People are losing money and are seeing prices rise on products they need. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LOD01 191 Posted July 5, 2018 You are never going to get instant results in the things Trump is trying. This, North Korea, the wall, lower taxes increasing GDP, etc. I have no idea if they will work and no one else does but it's a welcome change and as long as the markets go up, then his ideas are not bad. Just a disclaimer, as a reader of Avi Gilburt articles and 'Elliott Wave Theory', I'm watching and prepping for the 20-30% selloff he predicts will happen after we go past S&P 3000, sometime in 2019 or 2020. I will not be in the market when that happens. Forgot one. Kicking the Iranian religious nut jobs economy up their asses. Their economy is collapsing and he's the one causing it. https://www.upi.com/Top_News/Voices/2018/07/05/Iran-on-verge-of-political-volcanic-eruption/8341530791098/ the volcanic political situation in Iran, where civil unrest and repeated public tremors and protests are a clear warning of a massive eruption that is sure to happen and that will sweep the corrupt, fascist mullah regime from power. The 80 million Iranian citizens, over half of whom are under 30, have made it clear that they are fed up with fundamentalist rule. Their chants of "death to Khamenei," "death to Rouhani," "death to the dictator," "no Gaza, no Lebanon, my life for Iran, death to Hezbollah, leave Syria alone, think about us instead, death to the Islamic Republic and shame on you, mullahs," have clearly demonstrated their hatred for the current suppressive regime and their demand for change. He's winning bigly because he has the other countries leaders, the left and the media all shitting their pants. We are fuckin #1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 1,853 Posted July 5, 2018 Forgot one. Kicking the Iranian religious nut jobs economy up their asses. Their economy is collapsing and he's the one causing it. https://www.upi.com/Top_News/Voices/2018/07/05/Iran-on-verge-of-political-volcanic-eruption/8341530791098/ the volcanic political situation in Iran, where civil unrest and repeated public tremors and protests are a clear warning of a massive eruption that is sure to happen and that will sweep the corrupt, fascist mullah regime from power. The 80 million Iranian citizens, over half of whom are under 30, have made it clear that they are fed up with fundamentalist rule. Their chants of "death to Khamenei," "death to Rouhani," "death to the dictator," "no Gaza, no Lebanon, my life for Iran, death to Hezbollah, leave Syria alone, think about us instead, death to the Islamic Republic and shame on you, mullahs," have clearly demonstrated their hatred for the current suppressive regime and their demand for change. He's winning bigly because he has the other countries leaders, the left and the media all shitting their pants. We are fuckin #1. That's not winning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,033 Posted July 5, 2018 That's not winning. What are you talkin' bout...never in the history of ever has the destabilization of a region of the ME ever produced anything but awesome results. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LOD01 191 Posted July 5, 2018 That's not winning. We are #1 again after decades of being pushed around and buckling to these inferior countries. That's winning and winning bigly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 1,853 Posted July 5, 2018 We are #1 again after decades of being pushed around and buckling to these inferior countries. That's winning and winning bigly. Number 1 in what, trolling? You just saying that doesn't mean anything. Where are the results? How are we improving? How is the pork industry losing millions winning? How is the steel industry laying off people winning? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted July 5, 2018 Layoffs have already happened in some industries. Prices from my vendors have already increased. Availability of some products has been affected. People are losing money and are seeing prices rise on products they need. All of those things suck, are in desperate need of a correction. Just think if China decided to have an embargo. We need off the teet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tikigods 76 Posted July 5, 2018 I may actually download Chinese Democracy by Guns and Roses now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted July 5, 2018 We will see, a lot of these take effect tonite at midnite. Lots of businesses and farmers dreading it and Im sure the crys of how great this will be in X years will fall of deaf ears. This could be the catalyst that turns the tide for 2020. Better hope these magic positives happen soon or every supporter who gets their business decimated by this will vote for anyone but him. Eggs need to break to make omelettes, but no one wants to be the egg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted July 5, 2018 Trade wars are good, and easy to win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frank 2,145 Posted July 6, 2018 Trade wars are good, and easy to win. What is it good for? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted July 6, 2018 This is one trump policy I am firmly behind. Bring those chinks to heel. I think it could work. Their economy will blink first. The question is, is he willing to take the heat and backlash if there is some substantial labor pain along the way? He needs to offer them an out. Hes shown the stick. Show the carrot. Beijing is proud. They wont want to lose face by outright caving. He should propose some sort of US China trade deal that gets what we want and allows them to save face. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted July 6, 2018 What is it good for? Example.....when we are down $100 billion with a certain country and they get cute, don’t trade anymore, we win big. It’s easy! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tikigods 76 Posted July 6, 2018 Absolutely nothing Say it again? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LOD01 191 Posted July 6, 2018 at this picture in this article. It's obviously a fuckin homeless guy and they are using that as if he was in a real job and got laid off. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-apos-tariffs-led-layoffs-161811827.html There are over 5 million job openings. No, there are not opening for lazy, drug addicted bums sitting on the street corner looking for a handout. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 1,853 Posted July 6, 2018 at this picture in this article. It's obviously a fuckin homeless guy and they are using that as if he was in a real job and got laid off. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-apos-tariffs-led-layoffs-161811827.html There are over 5 million job openings. No, there are not opening for lazy, drug addicted bums sitting on the street corner looking for a handout. It's not fake news though. Some companies are laying off employees due to these tariffs. There are still plenty of other jobs to be had out there though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted July 6, 2018 Im trying to find one person outside of this forum who thinks this is good. Businesses and hard working Americans who voted for Trump are already in panic mode. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted July 6, 2018 Im trying to find one person outside of this forum who thinks this is good. Businesses and hard working Americans who voted for Trump are already in panic mode. How hard you looking? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,485 Posted July 6, 2018 I have yet to see how this is benefiting us. That is because Liberals only think short term and never look at long term problems or advantages. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted July 6, 2018 That is because Liberals only think short term and never look at long term problems or advantages.Why would businesses who are affected by this care about long term if they stand to take heavy losses short term? Im just looking to be educated on what the goals of this are, long or short term. Ok I see it now. Its to promote buying these materials domestic and promote growth here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LOD01 191 Posted July 6, 2018 Number 1 in what, trolling? You just saying that doesn't mean anything. Where are the results? How are we improving? How is the pork industry losing millions winning? How is the steel industry laying off people winning? https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/%5EIXIC?p=^IXIC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted July 6, 2018 That is because Liberals only think short term and never look at long term problems or advantages. Human nature dictates that people being directly affected by something tend to think short term, while those that aren't directly affected in any significant way are resolute in that we need to just focus on the long term. People are funny in that way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 1,853 Posted July 7, 2018 That is because Liberals only think short term and never look at long term problems or advantages. Does Trump come off as the type of person that thinks long term? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LOD01 191 Posted July 12, 2018 Markets shrugging off the tariff BS. Trump slapping Xi whenever he wants to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,644 Posted July 12, 2018 It's like when George Costanza did the opposite and it worked. Trump is doing the opposite of whatever Obama or Hillary would have done. And it's working. MAGA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,080 Posted July 12, 2018 I have yet to see any effects of the trade war on my family or myself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mungwater 588 Posted July 12, 2018 I have yet to see any effects of the trade war on my family or myself. My old company laid off more than half of the people working there. Yay gig economy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,080 Posted July 12, 2018 My old company laid off more than half of the people working there. Yay gig economy The US Army? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LOD01 191 Posted July 12, 2018 My old company laid off more than half of the people working there. Yay gig economy God thing there are 5 million job openings nationwide. They can go from a loser company to a winner. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mungwater 588 Posted July 12, 2018 The US Army? No, thats only my side gig Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
