Bier Meister 1,514 Posted July 30, 2017 I will never buy a European car again. Way too expensive to fix. They're nice, but you can get other luxury brands that are much more economical. Infiniti, Acura, Lexus, etc. I am very sold on my car's brand. The 11 hard winters on my last one sealed it for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted July 30, 2017 Goto a real dealership not a used car one. Wait til Labor Day if you can. That 19-31 mpg screens bs to me anyways I'm getting myself a GMC Terrain in a couple months can still find new 2016 if I look and payment is only 400 and I get 75k miles of protection For yourself or the wife? Wondering because I was told on here and by other people it's a chick car. Personally I like the look a lot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted July 30, 2017 The body and interior of Chrysler cars (and most American ones) just don't seem to last. I probably wouldn't buy a 4 year old American vehicle unless it was a truck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,315 Posted July 30, 2017 For yourself or the wife? Wondering because I was told on here and by other people it's a chick car. Personally I like the look a lot. I was kinda led to believe the Terrain was the chick car and the Acadia was the family crossover. But who really cares? Hell I thought about getting a RAV4 because the deal was so good Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmmmm...beer 691 Posted July 30, 2017 https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=455885275&zip=98642&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D98642%26startYear%3D2013%26maxMileage%3D30000%26sortBy%3DderivedpriceASC%26maxPrice%3D20000%26vehicleStyleCodes%3DLUXURY%26incremental%3Dall%26firstRecord%3D0%26endYear%3D2018%26makeCodeList%3DBMW%252CINFIN%252CMB%26searchRadius%3D100&startYear=2013&numRecords=25&maxPrice=20000&vehicleStyleCodes=LUXURY&firstRecord=0&endYear=2018&makeCodeList=BMW%2CINFIN%2CMB&searchRadius=100&makeCode1=MB&modelCode1=C250 https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=456209584&zip=98642&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D98642%26startYear%3D2013%26maxMileage%3D30000%26sortBy%3DderivedpriceASC%26maxPrice%3D20000%26vehicleStyleCodes%3DLUXURY%26incremental%3Dall%26firstRecord%3D0%26endYear%3D2018%26makeCodeList%3DBMW%252CINFIN%252CMB%26searchRadius%3D100&startYear=2013&numRecords=25&maxPrice=20000&vehicleStyleCodes=LUXURY&firstRecord=0&endYear=2018&makeCodeList=BMW%2CINFIN%2CMB&searchRadius=100&makeCode1=MB&modelCode1=C250 But are they very comfortable? Just buying a name? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTSkiBum 1,594 Posted July 30, 2017 https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=455885275&zip=98642&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D98642%26startYear%3D2013%26maxMileage%3D30000%26sortBy%3DderivedpriceASC%26maxPrice%3D20000%26vehicleStyleCodes%3DLUXURY%26incremental%3Dall%26firstRecord%3D0%26endYear%3D2018%26makeCodeList%3DBMW%252CINFIN%252CMB%26searchRadius%3D100&startYear=2013&numRecords=25&maxPrice=20000&vehicleStyleCodes=LUXURY&firstRecord=0&endYear=2018&makeCodeList=BMW%2CINFIN%2CMB&searchRadius=100&makeCode1=MB&modelCode1=C250 https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=456209584&zip=98642&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D98642%26startYear%3D2013%26maxMileage%3D30000%26sortBy%3DderivedpriceASC%26maxPrice%3D20000%26vehicleStyleCodes%3DLUXURY%26incremental%3Dall%26firstRecord%3D0%26endYear%3D2018%26makeCodeList%3DBMW%252CINFIN%252CMB%26searchRadius%3D100&startYear=2013&numRecords=25&maxPrice=20000&vehicleStyleCodes=LUXURY&firstRecord=0&endYear=2018&makeCodeList=BMW%2CINFIN%2CMB&searchRadius=100&makeCode1=MB&modelCode1=C250 But are they very comfortable? Just buying a name? Just a name at that price. Acura, Lexus, and infinity are also not very luxurious, but at least they are Honda, Toyota, and Nissan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUXBNME 1,335 Posted July 30, 2017 my real answer is= wait until your next trip to europe and do a euro-delivery for either bmw, benz, or audi Wost advice evah. You should be ashamed at yourself for suggesting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUXBNME 1,335 Posted July 30, 2017 Just a name at that price. Acura, Lexus, and infinity are also not very luxurious, but at least they are Honda, Toyota, and Nissan. They aren't? Not trying to be a dik here, but I drive all makes and models on a daily basis and I can honestly say that Acura, Lexus and Infinity are every bit as luxurious as their euro trash counterparts in the same price range. Much better, imo. Stay away from BMW, Mercedes, Audi and VW at all costs. There is a reason why they are so inexpensive used. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTSkiBum 1,594 Posted July 30, 2017 They aren't? Not trying to be a dik here, but I drive all makes and models on a daily basis and I can honestly say that Acura, Lexus and Infinity are every bit as luxurious as their euro trash counterparts in the same price range. Much better, imo. Stay away from BMW, Mercedes, Audi and VW at all costs. There is a reason why they are so inexpensive used. My wife has an Acura MDX, and I would not call it a luxurious vehicle. A domestic vehicle has more luxury options, of course they all break in the first few years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUXBNME 1,335 Posted July 30, 2017 My wife has an Acura MDX, and I would not call it a luxurious vehicle. A domestic vehicle has more luxury options, of course they all break in the first few years. https://www.carsdirect.com/compare/acura-mdx-vs-bmw-x5 https://www.acura.com/sem.aspx?model=mdx&competitor=bmw-x5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,315 Posted July 30, 2017 My wife has an Acura MDX, and I would not call it a luxurious vehicle. A domestic vehicle has more luxury options, of course they all break in the first few years. I test drove an MDX 6 months ago and it was fairly luxurious. Not top of the line but that's why you can get em new for 45k Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,514 Posted July 30, 2017 Wost advice evah. You should be ashamed at yourself for suggesting it. They aren't? Not trying to be a dik here, but I drive all makes and models on a daily basis and I can honestly say that Acura, Lexus and Infinity are every bit as luxurious as their euro trash counterparts in the same price range. Much better, imo. Stay away from BMW, Mercedes, Audi and VW at all costs. There is a reason why they are so inexpensive used. that's a broad brush you have there. if you have a few year, make, model to avoid sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUXBNME 1,335 Posted July 30, 2017 that's a broad brush you have there. if you have a few year, make, model to avoid sure. A very experienced broad brush Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTSkiBum 1,594 Posted July 30, 2017 https://www.carsdirect.com/compare/acura-mdx-vs-bmw-x5 https://www.acura.com/sem.aspx?model=mdx&competitor=bmw-x5 I test drove an MDX 6 months ago and it was fairly luxurious. Not top of the line but that's why you can get em new for 45k Ours is almost 10 years old already, we bought it a couple years ago and it was 7 years old at time of purchase. I am sure the new ones are better, but also the new toyota's and honda's are also probably better than the ones 10 years ago. I still think the Acura's do not have as much standard features as some cheap domestic models. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUXBNME 1,335 Posted July 30, 2017 I still think the Acura's do not have as much standard features as some cheap domestic models. We'll just have to agree to disagree, then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmh6476 755 Posted July 30, 2017 I love my free and clear car Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 917 Posted July 30, 2017 You seem to constantly need help making financial decisions. Or maybe it's all just a look at me look at me thing. I suggest you get a financial advisor or grow a pair of balls. HTH. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmmmm...beer 691 Posted July 30, 2017 You seem to constantly need help making financial decisions. Or maybe it's all just a look at me look at me thing. I suggest you get a financial advisor or grow a pair of balls. HTH. Or it's just fun to bounce sh!t off the gents here. There is a sh!t ton of life experience here focker. Why not here some ideas and opinions not my own? Or should we talk about Trump, the russians, welfare, thugs/cops, and healthcare some more? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted July 30, 2017 What constitutes "luxury" anyway? Up until a few years ago, any car over ~$30K had leather interiors with wood trim, auto windows, rear view camera, decent stereo, ABS/traction control, GPS etc. Only in the last few years have things like collision avoidance, auto-park/pilot and internet connectivity come into vogue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmmmm...beer 691 Posted July 30, 2017 They aren't? Not trying to be a dik here, but I drive all makes and models on a daily basis and I can honestly say that Acura, Lexus and Infinity are every bit as luxurious as their euro trash counterparts in the same price range. Much better, imo. Stay away from BMW, Mercedes, Audi and VW at all costs. There is a reason why they are so inexpensive used. Alrighty then Mo.. give some perspective from a full time grease monkey. What's a good mid-sized sedan that you don't see break down much and the non-engine sh!t doesn't fall apart quickly? Luxery-ish would be nice if there is something that falls into that category that won't break the bank used. 2013 or newer... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,584 Posted July 30, 2017 For yourself or the wife? Wondering because I was told on here and by other people it's a chick car. Personally I like the look a lot. myself, I just bought my wife a Limited Flex, Red with all black trim. I love the way the Terrain looks, has Wi-fi as well, and the seats are super sleek I like the square SUV's more though, the round ones look like van's to me add in 26-32 mpg and I think its a great car, dont care if people think its a chick car. They have good deals on 2016's right now if you look Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,315 Posted July 30, 2017 What constitutes "luxury" anyway? Up until a few years ago, any car over ~$30K had leather interiors with wood trim, auto windows, rear view camera, decent stereo, ABS/traction control, GPS etc. Only in the last few years have things like collision avoidance, auto-park/pilot and internet connectivity come into vogue. Comfort, mainly. Leather, heated seats, more climate zones and all that crap. But it's not just obvious features. It's stuff like better soundproofing for a much quieter ride and better suspension for a smoother experience. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted July 30, 2017 My wife has an Acura MDX, and I would not call it a luxurious vehicle. A domestic vehicle has more luxury options, of course they all break in the first few years. Same my wife has a '16 mdx and it's pretty nice. BMW and Mercedes have their own interior design language, but quality wise it's pretty good. I think my 09 TL is actually a bit more luxurious, and I prefer some buttons over all touchscreen, but they overdesigned that model and released it right into a recession. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUXBNME 1,335 Posted July 30, 2017 Alrighty then Mo.. give some perspective from a full time grease monkey. What's a good mid-sized sedan that you don't see break down much and the non-engine sh!t doesn't fall apart quickly? Luxery-ish would be nice if there is something that falls into that category that won't break the bank used. 2013 or newer... Toyota, Lexus, Honda, Acura 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted July 30, 2017 Alrighty then Mo.. give some perspective from a full time grease monkey. What's a good mid-sized sedan that you don't see break down much and the non-engine sh!t doesn't fall apart quickly? Luxery-ish would be nice if there is something that falls into that category that won't break the bank used. 2013 or newer... I'd suggest you take a look at the Hyundai Genesis, friend of mine got a '15 that has he redesigned front and rear end, it's really nice. I'd get the Korean wing badges on it instead of the crooked H, I think his came that way. Big, nice and seems like it'd be reliable Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BufordT 371 Posted July 31, 2017 Toyota, Lexus, Honda, Acura or Lexus, Acura, Toyota, Honda?? I agree btw Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,584 Posted July 31, 2017 gimme a Lincoln all day foreigners Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,941 Posted July 31, 2017 Toyota, Lexus, Honda, AcuraIt's no secret that Jap cars are the most reliable, but they've raised the bar enough that US makers have been forced to up their game in the past 20 years. When I was growing up, getting to 100K miles in an American car was a major milestone. Once you reached the 60-70K range, you were living on borrowed time. That's no longer the case. 169K on a T&C isn't the best, but it's not bad for a loaded and leathered minivan. I'm sure you'll say the Odyssey is a better choice, and you'd be right, but it's not nearly as comfortable. Especially for someone over 6' tall. We owned an Odyssey once and the seat and foot positioning were so uncomfortable that I couldn't stand to drive it more than a few miles at a time. Our T&C is much more comfortable. I do think the 4Runner and it's Lexus equivalent are standouts in the SUV category. For my money, the loaded up Maxima I had was the best car I ever owned. But it's just wasn't all that useful as a family vehicle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUXBNME 1,335 Posted July 31, 2017 It's no secret that Jap cars are the most reliable, but they've raised the bar enough that US makers have been forced to up their game in the past 20 years. When I was growing up, getting to 100K miles in an American car was a major milestone. Once you reached the 60-70K range, you were living on borrowed time. That's no longer the case. 169K on a T&C isn't the best, but it's not bad for a loaded and leathered minivan. I'm sure you'll say the Odyssey is a better choice, and you'd be right, but it's not nearly as comfortable. Especially for someone over 6' tall. We owned an Odyssey once and the seat and foot positioning were so uncomfortable that I couldn't stand to drive it more than a few miles at a time. Our T&C is much more comfortable. I do think the 4Runner and it's Lexus equivalent are standouts in the SUV category. For my money, the loaded up Maxima I had was the best car I ever owned. But it's just wasn't all that useful as a family vehicle. Most of the American entry level cars still seem to be throwaways by 90k. (Or at least spending more money than the car is worth to keep it on the road for the 150K + it should last) Same with VW, Fiat and Mini (BMW). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,941 Posted July 31, 2017 Most of the American entry level cars still seem to be throwaways by 90k. (Or at least spending more money than the car is worth to keep it on the road for the 150K + it should last) Same with VW, Fiat and Mini (BMW). I'll trust your judgement on that. I really don't know much about the Ford Focus, and Chevy Cruze range of cars. I'd be interested to get your opinions on the 2002 Suburban mini restoration project I'm working on. I've got about $4500 in it now after replacing all brake and fuel lines. Having the AC looked at by a 2nd mechanic Tuesday since I'm $500 into it with the first guy and it's still not fixed. I know the book value isn't real high but I'm looking to take this thing near the 300K mile mark. So far, I love the ride, the handling and both the interior and cargo room. I'm hoping a few grand vs $60K for a new one ends up being a good choice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUXBNME 1,335 Posted July 31, 2017 I'll trust your judgement on that. I really don't know much about the Ford Focus, and Chevy Cruze range of cars. I'd be interested to get your opinions on the 2002 Suburban mini restoration project I'm working on. I've got about $4500 in it now after replacing all brake and fuel lines. Having the AC looked at by a 2nd mechanic Tuesday since I'm $500 into it with the first guy and it's still not fixed. I know the book value isn't real high but I'm looking to take this thing near the 300K mile mark. So far, I love the ride, the handling and both the interior and cargo room. I'm hoping a few grand vs $60K for a new one ends up being a good choice. Does it have the 5.3? Fairly reliable engines depending on which heads they put on at the factory Any A/C questions, I'm your man I'll hit you up on PM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,941 Posted July 31, 2017 Does it have the 5.3? Fairly reliable engines depending on which heads they put on at the factory Any A/C questions, I'm your man I'll hit you up on PM Yes. The 5.3. I'll pull the mechanic's AC bill out tomorrow and answer your PM with what's been done so far. You da man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmmmm...beer 691 Posted December 10, 2017 Alrighty the Sux... took your advice and went with the Toyota Camery. Found one a good amount below book for its years ,miles, and, trim (love that word). http://www.luxurysportautos.com/detail-2016-toyota-camry-4dr_sedan_i4_automatic_xle-used-17081148.html Got it for $18,5.. I think it books around 20.. Also found out a first for me... finally broke into the 800's for the ol credit score! Sure it's 801 but still! So the wife got her commuter and the boy probably got his car 5 years hence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmmmm...beer 691 Posted December 10, 2017 Also.. does anyone want to buy a 2005 Chrysler T&C Touring Edition with about 171k miles, heated leather seats, and a possibly tranny thats going? You realky can't tell mostly! Dealer wanted to give me $200.... dollars... haha.. should be able to craigslist it for 1000-1500. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted December 11, 2017 Also.. does anyone want to buy a 2005 Chrysler T&C Touring Edition with about 171k miles, heated leather seats, and a possibly tranny thats going? You realky can't tell mostly! Dealer wanted to give me $200.... dollars... haha.. should be able to craigslist it for 1000-1500. If it includes a tranny, then edjr is probably all over that purchase. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,567 Posted December 11, 2017 I pay 270 for a monthly train pass Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
