The End of Recycling?

[fandandy 3,311]

A couple of months ago I read an article and was surprised to learn that most of our recycling gets shipped to China and that they were refusing to take it.  Just saw this article on Drudge and thought it might interest a few here.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/03/china-has-stopped-accepting-our-trash/584131/

After decades of earnest public-information campaigns, Americans are finally recycling. Airports, malls, schools, and office buildings across the country have bins for plastic bottles and aluminum cans and newspapers. In some cities, you can be fined if inspectors discover you haven’t recycled appropriately.

But now, much of that carefully sorted recycling is ending up in the trash.

For decades, we were sending the bulk of our recycling to China—tons and tons of it, sent over on ships to be made into goods like shoes and bags and new plastic products. But last year, the country restricted imports of certain recyclables, including mixed paper—magazines, office paper, junk mail—and most plastics. Waste-management companies across the country are telling towns, cities, and counties that there is no longer a market for their recycling. These municipalities have two choices: pay much higher rates to get rid of recycling, or throw it all away.

Most are choosing the latter. “We are doing our best to be environmentally responsible, but we can’t afford it,” said Judie Milner, the city manager of Franklin, New Hampshire. Since 2010, Franklin has offered curbside recycling and encouraged residents to put paper, metal, and plastics in their green bins. When the program launched, Franklin could break even on recycling by selling for $6 a ton. Now, Milner told me, the transfer station is charging the town $125 a ton to recycle, or $68 per ton to incinerate. One-fifth of Franklin’s residents live below the poverty line, and the city government didn’t want to ask them to pay more to recycle, so all those carefully sorted bottles and cans are being burned. Milner hates knowing that Franklin is releasing toxins into the environment, but there’s not much she can do. “Plastic is just not one of the things we have a market for,” she said.

The same is happening across the country. Broadway, Virginia, had a recycling program for 22 years, but recently suspended it after Waste Management told the town prices would increase by 63%, and then stopped offering recycling pickup as a service. “It almost feels illegal, to throw plastic bottles away,” the town manager, Kyle O’Brien, told me.

Without a market for mixed paper, bales of the stuff started to pile up in Blaine County, Idaho; the county eventually stopped collecting it and took the 35 bales it had hoped to recycle to a landfill.The town of Fort Edward, in New York,suspended its recycling program in July, and admitted it had actually been taking recycling to an incinerator for months. Determined to hold out until the market turns around, the nonprofit Keep Northern Illinois Beautiful has collected 400,000 tons of plastic. But for now, it is piling the bales behind the facility where it collects plastic.

This end of recycling is coming at a time when the United States is creating more waste than ever. In 2015, the most recent year for which national data are available, America generated 262.4 million tons of waste, up 4.5 percent from 2010 and 60 percent from 1985. That amounts to nearly five pounds per person a day. New York City collected 934 tons of metal, plastic, and glass a day from residents last year, a 33 percent increase from 2013.

For a long time, Americans have had little incentive to consume less. It’s inexpensive to buy products, and it’s even cheaper to throw them away at the end of their short lives. But the costs of all this garbage are growing, especially now that bottles and papers that were once recycled are now ending up in the trash.

One of those costs is environmental: When organic waste sits in a landfill it decomposes, emitting methane, which is bad for the climate—landfills are the third-largest source of methane emissions in the country. Burning plastic may create some energy, but it also produces carbon emissions. And while many incineration facilities bill themselves as “waste-to-energy” plants, studies have found that they release more harmful chemicals like mercury and lead into the air per unit of energy than do coal plants.

And as cities are now learning, the other cost is financial. The United States still has a fair amount of landfill space left, but it’s getting expensive to ship waste hundreds of miles away to those landfills. Some dumps are raising costs to deal with all this extra waste—according to one estimate, along the West Coast, landfill fees increased by $8 a ton from 2017 to 2018. Some of these costs are already being passed on to consumers, but most haven’t—yet.

Americans are going to have to come to terms with a new reality: All those toothpaste tubes and shopping bags and water bottles that didn’t exist 50 years ago need to go somewhere, and creating this much waste has a price we haven’t had to pay so far. “We’ve had an ostrich-in-the-sand approach to the entire system,” said Jeremy O’Brien, director of applied research at the Solid Waste Association of North America, a trade association. “We’re producing a lot of waste ourselves, and we should take care of it ourselves.”

As the trash piles up, American cities are scrambling to figure out what to do with everything they had previously sent to China. But few businesses want it domestically for one very big reason: Despite all those advertising campaigns, Americans are terrible at recycling.

About 25 percent of what ends up in the blue bins is contaminated, according to The National Waste & Recycling Association. For decades, we’ve been throwing just about whatever we wanted—wire hangers and pizza boxes and ketchup bottles and yogurt containers—in the bin and sending it to China, where low-paid workers sorted through it and cleaned it up. That’s no longer an option. And in the U.S., at least, it rarely makes sense to employ people to sort through our recycling so that it can be made into new material, because virgin plastics and paper are still cheaper in comparison.

Even in San Francisco, often lauded for its environmentalism, waste management companies struggle to keep recycling uncontaminated. I visited a state-of-the-art facility operated by San Francisco’s recycling provider, Recology, where million-dollar machines separate aluminum from paper from plastic from garbage. But as Recology spokesman Robert Reed walked me through the plant, he kept pointing out non-recyclables gumming up the works. Workers wearing masks and helmets grabbed laundry baskets off a fast-moving conveyor belt of cardboard as some non-cardboard items escaped their gloved hands. Recology has to stop another machine twice a day so a technician can pry plastic bags from where they’ve clogged up the gear.

Cleaning up recycling means employing people to slowly go through materials, which is expensive. Jacob Greenberg, a commissioner in Blaine County, Idaho, told me that the county’s mixed paper recycling was about 90 percent clean. But its paper broker said it needed to be 99 percent clean for anyone to buy it, and elected officials didn’t want to hike fees in order to get there. “At what point do you feel like you’re spending more money than what it takes for people to feel good about recycling?” he said.

Then there’s the challenge of educating people about what can and can’t be recycled, even as the number of items they touch on a daily basis grows. Americans tend to be “aspirational” about their recycling, tossing an item in the blue bin because it makes them feel less guilty about consuming it and throwing it away. Even in San Francisco, Reed kept pointing out items that aren’t easily recyclable but that keep showing up at the Recology plant—soy sauce packets and pizza boxes, candy bar wrappers and dry cleaner bags, the lids of to-go coffee cups and plastic take-out containers.

If we can somehow figure out to better sort recycling, some U.S. markets for plastics and paper may emerge. But selling it domestically will still be harder than it would be in a place like China, where a booming manufacturing sector has constant demand for materials. The viability of recycling varies tremendously by locale; San Francisco can recycle its glass back into bottles in six weeks, according to Recology, while many other cities are finding that glass is so heavy and breaks so easily that it is nearly impossible to truck it to a place that will recycle it. Akron, Ohio is just one of many cities that have ended glass recycling since the China policy changes.

For now, it’s still often cheaper for companies to manufacture using new materials than recycled ones. Michael Rohwer, a director at Business for Social Responsibility, works with companies trying to be more environmentally friendly. He told me that recycled plastic costs pennies more than new plastic, and those pennies add up when you’re manufacturing millions of items. Items made of different types of plastic nearly always end up in the trash, because recyclers can’t separate the plastics from one another—Reed equates it to trying to get the sugar and eggs out of a cake after you’ve baked it—but because companies don’t bear the costs of disposal, they have no incentive to manufacture products out of material that will be easier to recycle.

The best way to fix recycling is probably convincing people to buy less stuff, which would also have the benefit of reducing some of the upstream waste created when products are made. But that’s a hard sell in the United States, where consumer spending accounts for 68% of the GDP. The strong economy means more people have more spending money, too, and often the things they buy, like new phones, and the places they shop, like Amazon, have figured out how to sell them even more things. The average American spent 7 percent more on food and 8 percent more on personal care products and services in 2017 than 2016, according to government data.

Some places are still trying to get people to buy less. The city of San Francisco, for instance, is trying to get residents to think of a fourth “R” beyond “reduce, reuse, and recycle”—“refuse.” It wants people to be smarter about what they purchase, avoiding plastic bottles and straws and other disposable goods. But it’s been tough in a place centered on acquiring the newest technology. “This is our big challenge – how do you take a culture like San Francisco and get people excited about less?” Debbie Raphael, director of the San Francisco Department of the Environment, told me. The city passed an ordinance that required 10 percent of beverages sold be available in reusable containers and is trying to make reuse “hip” through an online campaign and dedicated website, Raphael said. San Francisco and other Bay Area cities have banned plastic bags and plastic straws, but that option isn’t available in many other parts of the country, where recently passed state laws prevent cities from banning products.

But even in San Francisco, the most careful consumers still generate a lot of waste. Plastic clamshell containers are difficult to recycle because the material they’re made of is so flimsy—but it’s hard to find berries not sold in those containers, even at most farmer’s markets. Go into a Best Buy or Target in San Francisco to buy headphones or a charger and you’ll still end up with plastic packaging to throw away. Amazon has tried to reduce waste by sending products in white and blue plastic envelopes, but when I visited the Recology plant, they littered the floor because they’re very hard to recycle. Even at Recology, an employee-owned company that benefits when people recycle well, the hurdles to getting rid of plastics were evident. Reed chided me for eating my daily Chobani yogurt out of small 5-ounce containers, rather than out of big 32-ounce tubs, but I saw a 5-ounce Yoplait container in a trash can of the control room of the Recology plant. While there, Reed handed me a pair of small orange ear plugs meant to protect my ears from the noise of the plant. They were wrapped in a type of flimsy plastic that is nearly impossible to recycle. When I left the plant, I kept the earplugs and the plastic in my bag, not sure what to do with them. Eventually, I threw them in the trash.

[SenatorRock 708]

Consumerism and environmentalism do not go hand in hand.

It would be awesome if the US shifted to a more minimalist and self sufficient mindset but that would probably tank the economy.

And nobody likes having to be individually responsible for their actions, much easier to just blame it on a generic boogeyman like climate change and not have to worry about it.

[SenatorRock 708]

Shipping our recyclables to China reminds me of NYC shipping their sewage to some bum fkck county in west Texas. 

 Millions of pounds of literal shite sent by train every week to be buried in the desert.

Eventually kids started getting sick and they stopped, no idea where they send their waste now.

[GobbleDog 816]

In my small city (Belle Isle in south Orlando), city leaders decided to quit recycling 5+ years ago, but didn't tell the citizens for fear of pissing everyone off. So they still collect recycle bins, but they all get secretly dumped in the regular landfill.

[Fireballer 2,382]

42 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

In my small city (Belle Isle in south Orlando)

So youre by Golf channel studios and the big Crayola place.  Did you live on north side of Orlando or is that another geek?  Or am I just making sh!t up?  Anyway, Im headed down there in about 12 years to retire on a golf course.  We spend about 2 weeks down there most years.  You going to Bay Hill this weekend?  Id be there all week if I was as close as you.  ~end stalker rant

[BiPolarBear 476]

Smerconish, on CNN, had a guy on that wrote a book about bought recycling. Smerconish ask him what he recycled, and he said: nothing. Basically, he said if you buy anything that needs to be recycled; you should not have bought it. 

 

[lod001 1,237]

I got an idea, no more plastic bottles and every glass bottle has value. You take them back to the store for a refund.......like we did in the 70s.

[RLLD 3,455]

31 minutes ago, lod001 said:

I got an idea, no more plastic bottles and every glass bottle has value. You take them back to the store for a refund.......like we did in the 70s.

I can get with this.

[jerryskids 5,206]

We recycle but only because Phoenix lets you throw everything in one big blue can so it is easy.  That being said, water is a valuable resource here, so if something needs to be cleaned first (say a jar of peanut butter) we just throw it away.

I have no idea what the city does with it, I should look into it out of curiosity...

[bandrus1 413]

11 hours ago, SenatorRock said:

Consumerism and environmentalism do not go hand in hand.

It would be awesome if the US shifted to a more minimalist and self sufficient mindset but that would probably tank the economy.

And nobody likes having to be individually responsible for their actions, much easier to just blame it on a generic boogeyman like climate change and not have to worry about it.

Check out loopstore and their model..

 

I think it is an awesome concept that world work well with amazon

[iam90sbaby 2,125]

We will be okay, I’m sure AOC is working on a solution right now 

[porkbutt 861]

12 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

We will be okay, I’m sure AOC is working on a solution right now 

[Reality 2,710]

1 hour ago, porkbutt said:

That sums her up perfectly.

[GobbleDog 816]

18 hours ago, Fireballer said:

So youre by Golf channel studios and the big Crayola place.  Did you live on north side of Orlando or is that another geek?  Or am I just making sh!t up?  Anyway, Im headed down there in about 12 years to retire on a golf course.  We spend about 2 weeks down there most years.  You going to Bay Hill this weekend?  Id be there all week if I was as close as you.  ~end stalker rant

I did't know the Golf channel was nearby and never heard of Crayola place. I'm south Orlando exclusive.

I'm not going to Bay Hill this weekend or any weekend ever. Even with free tickets, free drinks and a limo ride, no thank you. To hell with those rich a-holes who make golf look easy.

 

I golf about 2 times a year. My all-time best is 118 and that's with a "double par" limit. 

[avoiding injuries 1,220]

I stopped recycling a few weeks ago when I learned the World was ending in 12 years. What’s the point?

[avoiding injuries 1,220]

11 hours ago, lod001 said:

I got an idea, no more plastic bottles and every glass bottle has value. You take them back to the store for a refund.......like we did in the 70s.

I go through 3-4 of these plastic bottles a day and just toss them out the window when they start to clutter the car. 

[Fireballer 2,382]

1 hour ago, GobbleDog said:

I did't know the Golf channel was nearby and never heard of Crayola place. I'm south Orlando exclusive.

I'm not going to Bay Hill this weekend or any weekend ever. Even with free tickets, free drinks and a limo ride, no thank you. To hell with those rich a-holes who make golf look easy.

 

I golf about 2 times a year. My all-time best is 118 and that's with a "double par" limit. 

Im famliar with it cuz I played golf in the Nona area and have driven past it.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

On 3/5/2019 at 6:49 PM, SenatorRock said:

Consumerism and environmentalism do not go hand in hand.

It would be awesome if the US shifted to a more minimalist and self sufficient mindset.

 

 

That would be a return to Soviet Russia, where the government restricts goods from the masses.  The masses live in poverty "for their own good".  Only the elites have riches.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

34 minutes ago, riversco said:

 

That would be a return to Soviet Russia, where the government restricts goods from the masses.  The masses live in poverty "for their own good".  Only the elites have riches.

Come on. There is a pretty large middle ground.

We Americans waste far more, per person, than any other people on Earth.

We could address a lot of that without going to a gulag state.

For example. Here, instead of bottles of water, people carry a bottle and fill it from fountains. That's hundreds of millions of tons of plastic waste gone, right there.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

45 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Come on. There is a pretty large middle ground.

We Americans waste far more, per person, than any other people on Earth.

We could address a lot of that without going to a gulag state.

For example. Here, instead of bottles of water, people carry a bottle and fill it from fountains. That's hundreds of millions of tons of plastic waste gone, right there.

I would be fine with the middle ground argument if both the left and right were compelled by it.   If you want the right wing to move on their views of consumerism to accomodate a middle ground, then the only fair thing to do would be to start having the left wing move on their views of religion to accomodate a middle ground.

So middle ground both ways.  The right gives on consumerism a little bit, and the left has to start allowing a freer expression of religious views on public ground like it was done for 200 years.  Fair?  Or maybe move back on abortion laws a little bit to a middle ground.  Fair?  Or roll back teaching left wing social issues in the classroom a bit and ramp up teaching right wing social issues a little bit.  Fair?

Or perhaps you don't really believe in a middle ground argument and just want to use it when you feel like it?

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

19 minutes ago, riversco said:

I would be fine with the middle ground argument if both the left and right were compelled by it.   If you want the right wing to move on their views of consumerism to accomodate a middle ground, then the only fair thing to do would be to start having the left wing move on their views of religion to accomodate a middle ground.

So middle ground both ways.  The right gives on consumerism a little bit, and the left has to start allowing a freer expression of religious views on public ground like it was done for 200 years.  Fair?  Or maybe move back on abortion laws a little bit to a middle ground.  Fair?  Or roll back teaching left wing social issues in the classroom a bit and ramp up teaching right wing social issues a little bit.  Fair?

Or perhaps you don't really believe in a middle ground argument and just want to use it when you feel like it?

JFC. Talk about reduing plastic waste, and some nut job wants to bring up abortion, evolution, and the ten commandments on public ground crap.

This country is focked.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

1 minute ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

JFC. Talk about reduing plastic waste, and some nut job wants to bring up abortion, evolution, and the ten commandments on public ground crap.

This country is focked.

You are changing the subject.  You brought the idea of reaching a common ground into the issue.  Now you want to run away from it.  I don't like you.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Just now, riversco said:

You are changing the subject.  You brought the idea of reaching a common ground into the issue.  Now you want to run away from it.  I don't like you.

I pointed out that there is a lot of middle ground between wild west capitalist consumerism and a gulag totalitarianism.

You then mumbled something nonsensense about silly issues that have nothing to do with what we are talking about.

I don't know you, but get the impression you're not real bright. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

1 minute ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

I pointed out that there is a lot of middle ground between wild west capitalist consumerism and a gulag totalitarianism.

You then mumbled something nonsensense about silly issues that have nothing to do with what we are talking about.

I don't know you, but get the impression you're not real bright. 

I get the impression you aren't real bright.  You used an argument and then got real angry when someone used it against you.

[sderk 1,040]

On 3/5/2019 at 9:55 PM, SenatorRock said:

Shipping our recyclables to China reminds me of NYC shipping their sewage to some bum fkck county in west Texas. 

 Millions of pounds of literal shite sent by train every week to be buried in the desert.

Eventually kids started getting sick and they stopped, no idea where they send their waste now.

Into congress.