breaking news on Vick

[devilsden 0]

That "hiding" is on the advice of his lawyer. It's common practice 100% of the time in this country. Can you provide a link to these pictures? I've never seen them, I don't think. I did see the pictures on Vicks K-9 Kennels and it looked decent enough to me. Oh, and the reason he purchase dog food and medical supplies from a pet store owner is b/c he's a dog breeder!!

 

I will try and locate the link, it was when the story first broke but I will see what I can do.

 

My point is that if he has nothing to hid I would think and it may just be me that I would be doing everything that I can to refute the accusations that are being put against him. So far all he has done is let his cousin make himsellf look even more rediculous. See most of the time if you have nothing to hide then you do not need a lawyer. You get a lawyer when you want to make sure you are not controdicting yourself.

 

But his claim to not be at the location is being refuted by the same person that you are staying he had a reason to be there. See what I am saying, if he was NEVER at the property as he is claiming then WHY is he being linked to buying the supplies that the owner has seen him buying. Also if he's the dog breeder as you say, then how can he do it with any responsibilty and not be at the property. It has to be one or the other, he is either the dog breeder and at the property orrrrrrrrrrrr he is never at the property and thus should not have his name associated with breeding animals.

[Dr. Octopus 0]

Oh, and the reason he purchase dog food and medical supplies from a pet store owner is b/c he's a dog breeder!!

 

 

 

He just breeds them, if they happen to maul each other to death in fighting pits afterwards, hey that's their perogative and he knows nothing about that.

[Gepetto 1,292]

He just breeds them, if they happen to maul each other to death in fighting pits afterwards, hey that's their perogative and he knows nothing about that.

 

That reply was a direct response to a poster who questioned why the Pet Store owner would have seen Vick in his store and the implication it means he breeds dogs to fight. Try reading rather than trying to imply that I'm saying something else.

 

I will try and locate the link, it was when the story first broke but I will see what I can do.

 

My point is that if he has nothing to hid I would think and it may just be me that I would be doing everything that I can to refute the accusations that are being put against him. So far all he has done is let his cousin make himsellf look even more rediculous. See most of the time if you have nothing to hide then you do not need a lawyer. You get a lawyer when you want to make sure you are not controdicting yourself.

 

But his claim to not be at the location is being refuted by the same person that you are staying he had a reason to be there. See what I am saying, if he was NEVER at the property as he is claiming then WHY is he being linked to buying the supplies that the owner has seen him buying. Also if he's the dog breeder as you say, then how can he do it with any responsibilty and not be at the property. It has to be one or the other, he is either the dog breeder and at the property orrrrrrrrrrrr he is never at the property and thus should not have his name associated with breeding animals.

 

I don't think any of us know how much he's there. I do know that his full time job is as a professional football player and he's usually lifting weights, running, or practicing football.

[famousb 11]

...and he's usually lifting weights, running, or practicing football.

 

or smoking blunts and giving girls herpes....

[devilsden 0]

You asked why everyone takes a guilty until proven innocent stance when law enforcement becomes involved, I was just giving you examples of why people have taken the stance that they have. I said earlier that 2+2=4 and that just because it has not gone to a jury does not make people automatically presume he is guilty. I have looked at what the news has reported, I have read the articles and I have made a PERSONAL decision based on the information that has been provided. I did not take the information from one source, but read the same report over numerous publications and took the information that was common to all of them to base MY OPINION.

 

Same as if I was on a Jury, you have to weed through all the information provided, see what is credible and what is not and then make an intelegent decision based on the information provided. Based on what I read and the analysis of the information my decision is that Michael Vick is heavily involved in dog fighting.

[Dr. Octopus 0]

That reply was a direct response to a poster who questioned why the Pet Store owner would have seen Vick in his store and the implication it means he breeds dogs to fight. Try reading rather than trying to imply that I'm saying something else.

 

I did read it, and the other time you said he was just a dog breeder as well. If the pet shop owner did testify it would be just another piece of circumstantial evidence to add to the pile. Sure he could say he was "just a dog breeder", but given all the other evidence of dog fighting, would that really be a credible defense?

[Sho Nuff 720]

That reply was a direct response to a poster who questioned why the Pet Store owner would have seen Vick in his store and the implication it means he breeds dogs to fight. Try reading rather than trying to imply that I'm saying something else.

I don't think any of us know how much he's there. I do know that his full time job is as a professional football player and he's usually lifting weights, running, or practicing football.

 

 

The problem is it was a local pet store in VA...where he claims he was not at the house or had anything to do with it.

 

If he was never at that house...and had no knowledge of the dogs...and the store owner is telling the truth...why would he be there buying dog breeding supplies?

[football_scooter 0]

I don't think any of us know how much he's there. I do know that his full time job is as a professional football player and he's usually lifting weights, running, or practicing football.

 

the point is though that if he was EVER there, he cannot claim to not know what was going on. The buildings behind the house are all painted black, 60+ kennels with horrid conditions, sick and injured dogs everywhere, and the dead giveaway, the dog fighting pit!

 

Plausible deniability only goes so far my friend.

 

If Vick was there at all, he is busted. It is his property, he paid for supplies, he visited the site - if he even suspected that anything illegal was going on, then it was his responsibility to take care of business on his property. Failing to do so makes everything that transpired there his responsibility.

 

I cannot stress this enough: if he can be placed at the scene at any time that dog fighting occurred, he's busted. That will be the "smoking gun" - they don't need to have a photo of Vick holding a fist full of $ in one hand, a betting slip in the other and a mutilated dog at his feet, with his grandmother holding his driver's license up next to his face in the photo.

 

(with credit to Dave Chappelle for the R-Kelly bit)

 

No, all they need to do is establish his presence there at the time of dog fighting and he's toast. There will be no way that he can claim ignorance. He will go to jail and I will

 

The problem is it was a local pet store in VA...where he claims he was not at the house or had anything to do with it.

 

If he was never at that house...and had no knowledge of the dogs...and the store owner is telling the truth...why would he be there buying dog breeding supplies?

 

winnah!

[fastfish 0]

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[LunaTick 30]

Scooter,

 

go to

http://www.kfan.com/cc-common/podcast/sing...AN_Barreiro.xml

I think it is the "dog story", in it is an interview with a Twin City officer involved in such cases.

 

As for criminal charges, he stated it will be hard to get any kind of conviction.

 

As for the NFL and Sponsors, this is where the hit is going to happen $$$$$

 

But being as high profiled as he is, I think the Feds will be making his life as miserable as they can just short of a conviction. This may include Senate hearings at some point.

[football_scooter 0]

Scooter,

 

go to

http://www.kfan.com/cc-common/podcast/sing...AN_Barreiro.xml

I think it is the "dog story", in it is an interview with a Twin City officer involved in such cases.

 

As for criminal charges, he stated it will be hard to get any kind of conviction.

 

As for the NFL and Sponsors, this is where the hit is going to happen $$$$$

 

But being as high profiled as he is, I think the Feds will be making his life as miserable as they can just short of a conviction. This may include Senate hearings at some point.

 

One guy's opinion - I'll take it for what it is. he makes some valid points, but I have a mother who works training police dogs...her mentor is a dispatcher who's husband is a canine officer - he's been following this closely, and it is his belief that Vick is going to go to jail, so long as they can place him at the scene.

 

It's the federal racketeering laws that will get him if nothing else sticks...the fact that a gambling ring was being conducted on his property is very damaging and could land him in significant hot water based on his ownership of the property alone. Same if you own a house that was used as a brothel - doesn't matter if you were turning tricks yourself, or collecting the money or even hiring the girls. An illegal operation run on your property is your responsibility.

 

As for the dog fighting itself, and the corpses and whatnot - I'll offer this: Scott Peterson was convicted on a hell of a lot less circumstantial evidence, and this is one of those hot button issues.....people love dogs. People hate people who abuse dogs. People hate pit bulls. People hate people who breed pit bulls. People hate people who pay for, facilitate, enable or support any operation involving any of the aforementioned dog-related issues.

 

It will be extremely difficult for Vick's lawyers to convince a jury that he can be absolved of all charges. A mountain of circumstantial evidence will add up and will hurt him.

 

Just as the "court of public opinion" is capable of adding 2+2, I cannot imagine any jury letting Vick off with a slap on the wrist - especially with all of the artful dodging, selling the property, hiding behind his attorneys, claiming no knowledge, etc.

 

One man's opinion. I believe that at the end of the day, the minimum that will happen is that Vick will be suspended for the 2007 season, in order to save the NFL from getting egg on their face. They might be taking a wait & see attitude now, but they surely won't want games to be boycotted by animal rights activists, PETA, soccer moms, etc. They don't want the "thuggery" that's associated with the NBA to be associated with the NFL. They will act swiftly and severely when even the thinnest link of Vick to dogfighting emerges, and as I suggested before: dating the carcases on his property will do exactly that.

 

As for the federal racketeering charges, he may or may not be convicted there...I would be amazed if he got off Scott free though. The Feds wouldn't be running this dog & pony show without 1st determining if there's enough to pursue. Since they got involved, and were able to get a full warrant from a judge, that means that they already had enough evidence to support their case to pursue it further. A federal judge will NEVER issue a search warrant for a fishing expedition - warrants are issued to gather additional incriminating evidence, not to build an initial case. There's plenty that the feds know right now that we aren't privileged to.

(no, I'm not a lawyer, but I have a close relative who is, and I learn all sorts of useful stuff from)

 

That is where I question the Vick supporters "big picture knowledge" - it's easy for Vick's attorneys to try to make this out to be some sort of racially biased thing, or say that the Feds are on a fishing expedition because while the Feds are building a case, they keep it close to the vest. Vick's attorneys are attempting to use this to win over the court of public opinion. Seems to be having the opposite effect.

[fastfish 0]

 

One guy's opinion - I'll take it for what it is. he makes some valid points, but I have a mother who works training police dogs...her mentor is a dispatcher who's husband is a canine officer - he's been following this closely, and it is his belief that Vick is going to go to jail, so long as they can place him at the scene.

 

It's the federal racketeering laws that will get him if nothing else sticks...the fact that a gambling ring was being conducted on his property is very damaging and could land him in significant hot water based on his ownership of the property alone. Same if you own a house that was used as a brothel - doesn't matter if you were turning tricks yourself, or collecting the money or even hiring the girls. An illegal operation run on your property is your responsibility.

 

As for the dog fighting itself, and the corpses and whatnot - I'll offer this: Scott Peterson was convicted on a hell of a lot less circumstantial evidence, and this is one of those hot button issues.....people love dogs. People hate people who abuse dogs. People hate pit bulls. People hate people who breed pit bulls. People hate people who pay for, facilitate, enable or support any operation involving any of the aforementioned dog-related issues.

 

It will be extremely difficult for Vick's lawyers to convince a jury that he can be absolved of all charges. A mountain of circumstantial evidence will add up and will hurt him.

 

Just as the "court of public opinion" is capable of adding 2+2, I cannot imagine any jury letting Vick off with a slap on the wrist - especially with all of the artful dodging, selling the property, hiding behind his attorneys, claiming no knowledge, etc.

 

One man's opinion. I believe that at the end of the day, the minimum that will happen is that Vick will be suspended for the 2007 season, in order to save the NFL from getting egg on their face. They might be taking a wait & see attitude now, but they surely won't want games to be boycotted by animal rights activists, PETA, soccer moms, etc. They don't want the "thuggery" that's associated with the NBA to be associated with the NFL. They will act swiftly and severely when even the thinnest link of Vick to dogfighting emerges, and as I suggested before: dating the carcases on his property will do exactly that.

 

As for the federal racketeering charges, he may or may not be convicted there...I would be amazed if he got off Scott free though. The Feds wouldn't be running this dog & pony show without 1st determining if there's enough to pursue. Since they got involved, and were able to get a full warrant from a judge, that means that they already had enough evidence to support their case to pursue it further. A federal judge will NEVER issue a search warrant for a fishing expedition - warrants are issued to gather additional incriminating evidence, not to build an initial case. There's plenty that the feds know right now that we aren't privileged to.

(no, I'm not a lawyer, but I have a close relative who is, and I learn all sorts of useful stuff from)

 

That is where I question the Vick supporters "big picture knowledge" - it's easy for Vick's attorneys to try to make this out to be some sort of racially biased thing, or say that the Feds are on a fishing expedition because while the Feds are building a case, they keep it close to the vest. Vick's attorneys are attempting to use this to win over the court of public opinion. Seems to be having the opposite effect.

As far as where this case stands at this point in time...the above recap is as good as it gets. The next steps taken by the prosecutors will determine Vick's fate in the NFL, no matter the court eventually decides.

[Inhiding 0]

I've got a great stud and a ###### in heat and now way I'm going to get beat

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Just a quick thought here for those Vick supporters that truly believe people want him to go down just because he's rich and black. Ever wonder why (for the most part) that the same guys that want Vick to go down (myself included) also list Tiger Woods as their favorite golfer or Michael Jordan as their favorite basketball player? Those two guys are black and their assets represent nearly a billion dollars. If it was based on race, why don't we have a problem with those two guys?

 

The answer is simple; those two guys don't have that ghetto thug attitude and are bright enough to keep their noses clean and their mouths shut when they have nothing intelligent to say.

[fastfish 0]

If someone even hints that dog fighting is in anyway acceptable or tolerable, the reaction is furious. Portis found out and now Vilma is moon-walking away from his own comments as fast as he can. When the charges actually go public, ya think ANYONE will come to Vick's defense 'cept those he pays to do so? http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-v...p&type=lgns

[Phurfur 70]

If someone even hints that dog fighting is in anyway acceptable or tolerable, the reaction is furious. Portis found out and now Vilma is moon-walking away from his own comments as fast as he can. When the charges actually go public, ya think ANYONE will come to Vick's defense 'cept those he pays to do so?http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-vilma-dogfighting&prov=ap&type=lgns

 

Vilma, heading into his fourth pro season, said he recognizes the visibility athletes have and how they often are held to different standards than the general population.

 

I really believe that allot of these athletes really don't see anything wrong with dog fighting. Many of them are confused by the whole Vick situation.

[fastfish 0]

 

Vilma, heading into his fourth pro season, said he recognizes the visibility athletes have and how they often are held to different standards than the general population.

 

I really believe that allot of these athletes really don't see anything wrong with dog fighting. Many of them are confused by the whole Vick situation.

this could be true...but they are learning. It's PR suicide to be involved in dog fighting....and it's just as bad to defend this vile "sport"

[manola 0]

It doesn't really sound like Vilma was trying to defend dog fighting to me. It really sounds like he was comparing it to horse racing in that a lot of people think horse racing is cruel. I think he was mostly trying to give an answer that wouldn't offend anybody, but ended up pissing people off anyway.

[Phurfur 70]

It doesn't really sound like Vilma was trying to defend dog fighting to me. It really sounds like he was comparing it to horse racing in that a lot of people think horse racing is cruel. I think he was mostly trying to give an answer that wouldn't offend anybody, but ended up pissing people off anyway.

 

 

There is no way you can compare dog fighting to horse racing. You can't even compare dog racing to horse racing.

[famousb 11]

You can't even compare dog racing to horse racing.

ok, that part of your statement puzzled me...

[Phurfur 70]

ok, that part of your statement puzzled me...

 

 

Horses are treated much better than greyhounds, especially the ones that don't make it as racers.

[famousb 11]

and on a similar note, i just read this story...

 

Man jailed for feeding puppy to pet boa

The Associated Press

 

PHOENIX --A man who coated a 3-week-old puppy in cooking oil and fed it to his pet boa constrictor was sentenced to 90 days in jail Thursday.

 

Joseph Beadle, 40, also must serve two years' probation. He pleaded guilty to animal cruelty in March and has already spent 51 days in jail while his case was pending.

 

Police said Beadle poured cooking oil onto the mixed-breed puppy to make it easier for the snake to swallow. He then fed the snake as two 15-year-old boys watched.

 

Investigators seized the 8-foot-long boa after finding it had been neglected.

 

if he can get 90 days for that, anyone organizing and running a dogfighting ring will definitely get a MUCH longer sentence... if not, there is definitely some injustice in the world...

 

personally, i'm just curious to 1. how they found out the boa was being neglected, and 2. how they figured out about him feeding it the puppy unless his kids ratted him out... (maybe they spilled the beans to their friends while bragging?? )

[manola 0]

Horses are treated much better than greyhounds, especially the ones that don't make it as racers.

 

Right...but that's still a comparison.

 

He started it by saying that dog fighting is much worse. His point was that some people think horse racing is cruel too...which I do to a much lesser extent.

[Dan 62]

Popular questions answered

 

 

This guy is a lawyer. Thought it might be interesting to see his take on this. Pretty good read.

[fastfish 0]

Popular questions answered

 

 

This guy is a lawyer. Thought it might be interesting to see his take on this. Pretty good read.

a hot read Dan. 2 things jump out at me. The fact that a prosecutor let's a search warrant expire is "rare". And that the Feds are using a law A MONTH OLD to take over this case. Vick likely had thought far enough ahead to have Poindexter on his payroll...but no way he ever imagined Federal prosecution. Bye-bye dog killer

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

a hot read Dan. 2 things jump out at me. The fact that a prosecutor let's a search warrant expire is "rare". And that the Feds are using a law A MONTH OLD to take over this case. Vick likely had thought far enough ahead to have Poindexter on his payroll...but no way he ever imagined Federal prosecution. Bye-bye dog killer

 

 

Thought the exact same thing. Ironically, Poondickster letting that warrant expire might have been the trigger for the Feds to move in. **Insert Nelson from Simpsons 'Ha Ha' laugh here............

 

I still have a hard time believing justice will be served with this thug. Somehow, someway this drippy-d!ck assclown will thwart the jailtime he's got coming to him.

[football_scooter 0]

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This guy is a lawyer. Thought it might be interesting to see his take on this. Pretty good read.

 

hey, what's that sound I hear? Oh! It's the unsurprising "thump!" of the other shoe dropping.

 

That was a great article, thanks for posting it Dan.

 

The part where they address the "wealthy black man" aspect was interesting as well...it really works in the gov't's favor that they have a very similar case going on right now with a similar number of animals and lots of precident to show that they aren't just singling out Vick with any of their actions.

 

I especially thought this part was important:

If he was involved but not actually in attendance at the dogfights, though, Vick could still be charged under the law's prohibition of sponsorship or promotion of dogfighting.

 

echoes what I've said many times in here. If he is conntected to it, he's toast regardless of whether he was physically on the premisis.

 

But the really interesting part is where this new task force is run by the USDA, FBI, IRS and others. This bit seems to spell doom for Vick:

The USDA and other federal agencies will now be sifting through all aspects of his life. The dogfighting investigation easily could grow into examinations of his income, taxes and other holdings. If they find sufficient evidence, the federal agencies will submit it to the U.S. Department of Justice and then, possibly, to a grand jury for indictment.

 

Man....I dunno about you all, but not everyone in the world is squeaky clean. If they dig through Vick's finances, he better pray he's squeaky clean. Someone who's got money to burn, has an alias (Ron Mexico) smokes weed and is (allegedly) associated with dog fighting doesn't seem like the kind of person who wants every detail of his financial and personal life investigated by those agencies. And before anyone argues that it doesn't matter what Vick did if they're investigating dog fighting, keep in mind that taxes got Al Copone in the end. As described in the article, guns, drugs, stolen cars, and many other things were uncovered while investigating that other ring. Who knows what skeletons might pop out of Vick's closet during the course of the investigation.

 

If I had Vick on a fantasy team in a keeper league, I'd be offering him up for Ashlie Lelie and a 1/2 full can of flat grape soda.

 

Somehow, someway this drippy-d!ck assclown will thwart the jailtime he's got coming to him.

 

Yes, but regardless I don't think he'll play football again any time soon.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

1/2 can of flat grape soda Nice one scooter

 

 

I don't see how there won't be SOME sort of paper trail leading back to Vick. He had to have supplied all the money for the breeding operation and if would stand to reason, the dogfighting equipment. Dropping $30-40k a fight, you'd think there some record somewhere that the feds will now have access too.

 

Also, a big WTF is the USDA doing as part of that alliance?! Making sure the dogs' carcasses are disease free for human consumption?!

[Road_Cats 1]

1/2 can of flat grape soda Nice one scooter

I don't see how there won't be SOME sort of paper trail leading back to Vick. He had to have supplied all the money for the breeding operation and if would stand to reason, the dogfighting equipment. Dropping $30-40k a fight, you'd think there some record somewhere that the feds will now have access too.

 

Also, a big WTF is the USDA doing as part of that alliance?! Making sure the dogs' carcasses are disease free for human consumption?!

 

Personally I like my Korean food disease free and safe to eat.

[fastfish 0]

This article's Q & A format, using ESPN as the messenger, is by itself a strong indicator of Vick's upcoming indictment. It's the media being used to prepare public opinion. The Feds can and will go after those who are too big for local law enforcement. Al Capone was a good example as he was put away for tax evasion 'cause Chicago law enforcement was in big Al's pocket. A newer example was United States vs. Microsoft. Bill Gates found out that winning in a federal court when the US government wants a conviction is not something you can prevent just by having money. I have faith that there is sometimes justice in this life..... and this justice will be visiting gangstah Vick and his posse real soon.

[nobody 2,574]

I think I'm going with no indictment still. Again we all know Vick is guilty of participating in dogfighting, but his cousin is still there as a buffer. I believe the new law attacks dog fighting from the angle of advertising across state lines. That means they will have to find emails or something coming from Vick himself to indict. They may exist, but I doubt it. You would figure he would be on the receiving end of such dog fighting propaganda.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

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This guy is a lawyer. Thought it might be interesting to see his take on this. Pretty good read.

 

What better way to get out the message that the Feds are serious about stopping dog-fighting than to arrest and imprison a high-profile professional athlete?

 

Vick is screwed.

[fastfish 0]

Nike refused...for now. It don't get more mainstrean-middle America than the Humane Society..... The Humane Society of the United States http://www.hsus.org/

[Gepetto 1,292]

Here is the full story:

 

Nike: Michael Vick Is Presumed Innocent

Posted Jun 19th 2007 4:48PM by Michael David Smith

Filed under: Falcons, NFL Gossip, NFL Rumors, Atlanta

 

The Humane Society of the United States today called on Nike to end its association with Michael Vick because of allegations that Vick is involved in dog fighting. But Nike released its own statement today saying that there are no changes in its relationship with the Falcons quarterback:

 

There is no change in the status of the agreement between Nike and football player Michael Vick; he is rightfully presumed innocent and afforded the same due process as any citizen, rather than be tried in the court of public opinion. Nike will continue to monitor the situation, but has nothing further to say at this time.

[jocstrap 8]

He needs to start saving all his money b/c in 15 years he might just be broke.

[famousb 11]

Here is the full story:

 

Nike: Michael Vick Is Presumed Innocent

Posted Jun 19th 2007 4:48PM by Michael David Smith

Filed under: Falcons, NFL Gossip, NFL Rumors, Atlanta

 

The Humane Society of the United States today called on Nike to end its association with Michael Vick because of allegations that Vick is involved in dog fighting. But Nike released its own statement today saying that there are no changes in its relationship with the Falcons quarterback:

 

There is no change in the status of the agreement between Nike and football player Michael Vick; he is rightfully presumed innocent and afforded the same due process as any citizen, rather than be tried in the court of public opinion. Nike will continue to monitor the situation, but has nothing further to say at this time.

 

of course Nike isn't going to drop him, they already exploit 3rd world country labor, employing sweatshops to produce $2 sneakers that poor inner city kids kill for because they can't afford the $150 Nike sells them for... why would they care if Vick is involved in dog fighting??

They already have shown they have no moral fiber...

[Gepetto 1,292]

of course Nike isn't going to drop him, they already exploit 3rd world country labor, employing sweatshops to produce $2 sneakers that poor inner city kids kill for because they can't afford the $150 Nike sells them for... why would they care if Vick is involved in dog fighting??

They already have shown they have no moral fiber...

 

Why should the Humane Society get involved in someones business? That's vindictive and revengeful and just plain wrong.

 

I have a pair of NIKE 95s blue/gray ($170 bought new, deadstock) and I love them... NIKE

[famousb 11]

Why should the Humane Society get involved in someones business? That's vindictive and revengeful and just plain wrong.

 

I have a pair of NIKE 95s blue/gray ($170 bought new, deadstock) and I love them... NIKE

 

i don't own any Nike myself, heck, i wear flip-flops about 98% of the time that i have any footwear on... why do i need sneakers??

[Dan 62]

Nike refused...for now. It don't get more mainstrean-middle America than the Humane Society..... The Humane Society of the United States http://www.hsus.org/

 

The Humane Society may be mainstream, but you don't want them running America. What happens if Nike cow-tows because the Humane Society makes a complaint? What happens the next time they make a demand? You start to feed power with concession. I am glad that Nike made it's own decision. Frankly, even though I think that things are looking bleak for Vick, Nike made the right decision. Waiting for the facts to play themselves out allows the courts to do their job. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Dr. Octopus 0]

Why should the Humane Society get involved in someones business? That's vindictive and revengeful and just plain wrong.

 

I have a pair of NIKE 95s blue/gray ($170 bought new, deadstock) and I love them... NIKE

 

It is their business (they are an organization that seeks fair treatment of all animals) and their right to seek Nike's cooperation, just as it is Nike's right to turn down their request. I'm glad that Nike stood its ground for now as I don't exactly like the pressuer/boycott tactic employed by some of these groups, but once they do relaize that Vick is guilty in the "court of public opinion" and that the public is the one that buy's their product they will drop him on their own.

 

Also what are you 14? Bragging about overpaying for sneakers.