If Favre wins the Superbowl

[BMoney 0]

the fact that we are even considering a favre super bowl just shows how he shouldve been MVP...the team shouldve have been 8-8

 

its the nfcs best..a battle between the coach no one wanted and the qb everyone said should leave....

 

tiki barber is the honorary coin flipper

[NewbieJr 541]

The dude is 60 years old and still the best QB in the NFC.

 

Just focking amazing.

[RoadLizard 73]

Sure, I'll give it a shot...

 

Much as I hate to say it, everytime I watch Brady play, I get the feeling I'm watching the greatest QB that's ever played, and he still has SO many years left to prove it.

 

Why??? Brady finally had a great season this year and its all thanks to Moss and the 5 WR spread offense. He doesnt make any diffcult throws. He just stands there and throws 5 yard doinkers to Welker and then a chuck and duck bomb to Moss. Sure, hes good at it, but with the time he has to throw 15 other QBs in the NFL could make the throws. Eeeking out SB wins with your FG kicker doesnt make one great.

 

Favre, Elway, and several others are WAY better than Brady from a purely QB talent perspective. Any non-Pat fan knows this, Im surprised you dont.

 

Now, if you want to discuss what QB had the best TEAMS to play with, then Brady/Montana are certainly 1 & 2.

[redtodd 7]

Why??? Brady finally had a great season this year and its all thanks to Moss and the 5 WR spread offense. He doesnt make any diffcult throws. He just stands there and throws 5 yard doinkers to Welker and then a chuck and duck bomb to Moss. Sure, hes good at it, but with the time he has to throw 15 other QBs in the NFL could make the throws. Eeeking out SB wins with your FG kicker doesnt make one great.

 

Favre, Elway, and several others are WAY better than Brady from a purely QB talent perspective. Any non-Pat fan knows this, Im surprised you dont.

 

Now, if you want to discuss what QB had the best TEAMS to play with, then Brady/Montana are certainly 1 & 2.

 

DUMB

[Joey Gladstone 33]

top 3 for sure.

 

If Brady wins it all, it'll be hard to argue against him as the best ever. Especially in light of Manning's premature exit.

[NewbieJr 541]

Favre, Elway, and several others are WAY better than Brady from a purely QB talent perspective.

If you had Favre, Elway, and Brady at a combine, what you say may be true. And , yes, Brady has been surrounded by more talent than the other two (including front office, coaches, ect), but Brady has a mental advantage that you can't really measure at a combine. To me, the 50 TDs isn't all that impressive considering 23 of them were to Moss. The 8 interceptions, however, is amazing. I'm not sure what the true guage of 'talent' is when measuring a QB. So, if you're eliminating poise and field intelligence from the equation, then I suppose that your statement could be considered accurate. Fortunately for New England, those two qualities aren't eliminated from NFL games.

[donhaas 19]

DUMB

 

Smart.

 

Have you ever seen Brady make a play where you go. "WOW! Only Tom "Freakin" Brady could have possibly made that play. That's why he's the greatest!!!"

 

A five yard screen to Maroney or Welker where they take it 60 yards or tossing up the jump ball to Randy doesn't count.

 

 

Brady's never faced adversity... Never had a crappy defense or crappy line where he had to improvise and make plays on his own. I'd love to see him do it.

 

Brady's never made a superstar and Super Bowl winner out of Antonio (I run a 4.8/40; I caught 7 total passes after I left the Packers because I'm really not that good) Freeman or a three-time 1,000 yard reciever out of Billy (I couldn't start on my Sheboygan South High School football team; I caught 5 total passes after I left the Packers) Schroeder.

 

And guess what... he never could... not in his wildest dreams.

 

Favre (especially in his prime) elevated the team around him. Brady is elevated by Moss.

 

Congrats to Brady for having awesome talent and coaching throughout him for his whole career.

 

Favre is a better football player. That's a no-brainer.

[NewbieJr 541]

Smart.

 

Have you ever seen Brady make a play where you go. "WOW! Only Tom "Freakin" Brady could have possibly made that play. That's why he's the greatest!!!"

 

A five yard screen to Maroney or Welker where they take it 60 yards or tossing up the jump ball to Randy doesn't count.

Brady's never faced adversity... Never had a crappy defense or crappy line where he had to improvise and make plays on his own. I'd love to see him do it.

 

Brady's never made a superstar and Super Bowl winner out of Antonio (I run a 4.8/40; I caught 7 total passes after I left the Packers because I'm really not that good) Freeman or a three-time 1,000 yard reciever out of Billy (I couldn't start on my Sheboygan South High School football team; I caught 5 total passes after I left the Packers) Schroeder.

 

And guess what... he never could... not in his wildest dreams.

 

Favre (especially in his prime) elevated the team around him. Brady is elevated by Moss.

 

Congrats to Brady for having awesome talent and coaching throughout him for his whole career.

 

Favre is a better football player. That's a no-brainer.

Although I've always spoken highly of Brady's accomplishments, It would be awesome to see him quarterback a team like the Dolphins or 49ers for one year. I think it would finally answer a lot of questions. And I don't necessarily mean negatively.

[edjr 7,016]

Favre might have 1 more year after this left. Brady has at least 5 to 10. Discussing the greatest of all time is dumn until they finish their careers

[Sho Nuff 720]

The wow factor that was brought up.

 

While that is great...a little baseball analogy is needed.

 

Brady is like Greg Maddux. He might not have the best fastball or even the best curve. But his control is remarkable. He hits his spots.

The first TD to Watson the other day is a good example. The defender is there, in good position. But Brady can read the back of his jersey, picks a spot, and hits that spot perfectly.

He did not overpower them with some crazy through or zip a 100mph fastball in there...he just hit his spot perfectly.

[edjr 7,016]

Smart.

 

Have you ever seen Brady make a play where you go. "WOW! Only Tom "Freakin" Brady could have possibly made that play. That's why he's the greatest!!!"

 

A five yard screen to Maroney or Welker where they take it 60 yards or tossing up the jump ball to Randy doesn't count.

Brady's never faced adversity... Never had a crappy defense or crappy line where he had to improvise and make plays on his own. I'd love to see him do it.

 

Brady's never made a superstar and Super Bowl winner out of Antonio (I run a 4.8/40; I caught 7 total passes after I left the Packers because I'm really not that good) Freeman or a three-time 1,000 yard reciever out of Billy (I couldn't start on my Sheboygan South High School football team; I caught 5 total passes after I left the Packers) Schroeder.

 

And guess what... he never could... not in his wildest dreams.

 

Favre (especially in his prime) elevated the team around him. Brady is elevated by Moss.

 

Congrats to Brady for having awesome talent and coaching throughout him for his whole career.

 

Favre is a better football player. That's a no-brainer.

 

WOW some people are delusional.

[Sho Nuff 720]

One of Favre's wow plays. One of the best throws I have seen...2nd one on the clip.

 

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Another good one with Randy wanting to watch...

[jgcrawfish 232]

Smart.

 

Have you ever seen Brady make a play where you go. "WOW! Only Tom "Freakin" Brady could have possibly made that play. That's why he's the greatest!!!"

 

A five yard screen to Maroney or Welker where they take it 60 yards or tossing up the jump ball to Randy doesn't count.

Brady's never faced adversity... Never had a crappy defense or crappy line where he had to improvise and make plays on his own. I'd love to see him do it.

 

Brady's never made a superstar and Super Bowl winner out of Antonio (I run a 4.8/40; I caught 7 total passes after I left the Packers because I'm really not that good) Freeman or a three-time 1,000 yard reciever out of Billy (I couldn't start on my Sheboygan South High School football team; I caught 5 total passes after I left the Packers) Schroeder.

 

And guess what... he never could... not in his wildest dreams.

 

Favre (especially in his prime) elevated the team around him. Brady is elevated by Moss.

 

Congrats to Brady for having awesome talent and coaching throughout him for his whole career.

 

Favre is a better football player. That's a no-brainer.

 

Short of Troy Aikman, I've never seen a QB with the accuracy that Brady displays on almost every throw, putting the ball EXACTLY where it needs to go, and rarely making mistakes. The same could never be said of Favre until this year, at 37 yrs old. Nor have I ever seen a player with the sheer understanding of what's happening on the football field. He is basically unfazed by anything and never seems to lose his cool. And if you weren't to at least consider Tom Brady in the top 3 of QB's you most want to have to win a game down the stretch, well, then you're as foolish as your statements indicate you are.

[donhaas 19]

The wow factor that was brought up.

 

While that is great...a little baseball analogy is needed.

 

Brady is like Greg Maddux. He might not have the best fastball or even the best curve. But his control is remarkable. He hits his spots.

The first TD to Watson the other day is a good example. The defender is there, in good position. But Brady can read the back of his jersey, picks a spot, and hits that spot perfectly.

He did not overpower them with some crazy through or zip a 100mph fastball in there...he just hit his spot perfectly.

 

I'm not doubting that Brady can hit a spot... but for me, that play was like "meh..."

 

8-yard pass... defender had his back turned... Nice...

 

 

Throwing a rainbow pass to the far corner of the endzone and hitting Jennings perfectly in stride in a pouring blizzard would have impressed me more.

[Mr. Dynasty 0]

Have you ever seen Brady make a play where you go. "WOW! Only Tom "Freakin" Brady could have possibly made that play. That's why he's the greatest!!!"

 

so you like Favre because he's the White-Vick.

 

WOW don't always win football games, Brady does.

[donhaas 19]

Short of Troy Aikman, I've never seen a QB with the accuracy that Brady displays on almost every throw, putting the ball EXACTLY where it needs to go, and rarely making mistakes. The same could never be said of Favre until this year, at 37 yrs old. Nor have I ever seen a player with the sheer understanding of what's happening on the football field. He is basically unfazed by anything and never seems to lose his cool. And if you weren't to at least consider Tom Brady in the top 3 of QB's you most want to have to win a game down the stretch, well, then you're as foolish as your statements indicate you are.

 

Again. In perfect conditions with excellent protection... Brady is very good. Nobody's arguing that.

[KSB2424 3,174]

I would rank them as follows (Superbowl Era):

 

1. Montana

2. Brady

3. Elway

4. Favre

5. Marino

6. Manning

7. Young

8. Bradshaw

9. Aikman

10. Kelly

 

The winner of this years Superbowl, unless its Rivers/Eli, would vault to #1 IMO.

[NewbieJr 541]

I would rank them as follows (Superbowl Era):

 

1. Montana

2. Brady

3. Elway

4. Favre

5. Marino

6. Manning

7. Young

8. Bradshaw

9. Aikman

10. Kelly

 

The winner of this years Superbowl, unless its Rivers/Eli, would vault to #1 IMO.

Wait, Marino and Kelly didn't win Super Bowls. And where's Doug Williams and Trent Dilfer?

[donhaas 19]

so you like Favre because he's the White-Vick.

 

WOW don't always win football games, Brady does.

 

WOW will win you football games (one losing season in 17 years) with inferior talent and will elevate the play of everybody around you.

 

 

Brady's one of 50 guys on a very talented, very well-coached team... Congrats on his titles.

 

Congratulate Jon Paxson and Luc Longley, too. All those guys do is win world championships.

[listen2me 23 1,964]

In my opinion Favre is already top 3

 

In my opinion you can't put Brady that far up with the time he still has left. If you are going by his SuperBowls then put Bradshaw up there too. Yes Brady had this great year but that is 1 year of GREAT stats. If Favre wins teh SB he is #1 but maybe not for long because of Brady and Manning's remaining years.

 

Favre has the most talent of any QB ever.

 

I'm just glad I was able to watch and followed the player who was most fun to watch. I love when teh Packers have success and it is entertaining. But a part of me says screw a few more superbowls with nothing exciting. (Brady) Players win SBs for themselves, fans watch their favorite players each week and the fans of Favre have been entertained to the max. No dis on Brady he is a great QB but I'd rather watch Favre anyday of the week.

 

Most exciting QBs:

 

Favre

 

Elways

Young

 

 

 

 

everyone else....

[FantasyBowl33 0]

Outside of this year when has Brady had the OL people are talking about? Matt Light last year was the first pro bow OL Brady ever had, and that was as an alternate. Since Brady has been here the OL has been switched around and played with due to injuries, talent and FA losses. I have never watched a QB where i am thinking he's dead in the water and then bang, he steps up, a duck there, a roll there and he's out of trouble, maybe the best pocket awareness ever.

 

People talk about Brady's talent around him, however until this year, his only real WR was Troy Brown, who, if I'm not mistaken won;t be going to the HOF anytime soon. With that liitle offensive talent around him Brady's numbers are on pace (and i stole this from someone else post earlier this month) :

 

Brady prior to this year has thrown more then 27 Td's twice and 4000 once. He has averaged 24.5 TD's a game and 3593 yards a year. Which if he played 14 years at that pace would be would be 343 TD's and 50,000+ yards which would rank him #3 All-time in TD's and 4th all-time in yards and the QB's that would be ahead of him played 15 years or more - once again, those are the numbers he was on pace for BEFORE this year.

 

John Elway never threw more then 27TD's and only threw for over 4000 once (brady has already equaled this)

 

Joe Montana only threw 30+ once in his career and never threw for more then 4000 (brady threw for 30+ this year and thrown for 4000 twice)

 

So to say Brady's numbers are only coming along this year is crazy, as the numbers show even prior to this year his numbers were Top 5 worthy.

 

Yes Brady has had some great Defenses but no one is putting them up there with the all-time greats. Heck without Reggie White does Green Bay even sniff a SB? I know they don't beat the pats without his 4 sack performance in 96. What I am saying is that every SB winning QB has had helped, none have done it on their own.

 

Anyway with that said, if Favre does win it this year, I'd put him #1 currently as he'd have longeivity, MVP's, multiple SB's and all-time stats but i truly think that Tom Brady or Manning will take that spot when they retire. I see them ending up 1 & 2 when they are done.

[RoadLizard 73]

Smart.

 

Have you ever seen Brady make a play where you go. "WOW! Only Tom "Freakin" Brady could have possibly made that play. That's why he's the greatest!!!"

 

A five yard screen to Maroney or Welker where they take it 60 yards or tossing up the jump ball to Randy doesn't count.

Brady's never faced adversity... Never had a crappy defense or crappy line where he had to improvise and make plays on his own. I'd love to see him do it.

 

Brady's never made a superstar and Super Bowl winner out of Antonio (I run a 4.8/40; I caught 7 total passes after I left the Packers because I'm really not that good) Freeman or a three-time 1,000 yard reciever out of Billy (I couldn't start on my Sheboygan South High School football team; I caught 5 total passes after I left the Packers) Schroeder.

 

And guess what... he never could... not in his wildest dreams.

 

Favre (especially in his prime) elevated the team around him. Brady is elevated by Moss.

 

Congrats to Brady for having awesome talent and coaching throughout him for his whole career.

 

Favre is a better football player. That's a no-brainer.

 

YES! Great to see someone else has a focking brain on this board full of Brady slobbers! Face it, Brady has had the proverbial silver spoon of the NFL in his mouth since day one. NO HOF QB has had more incredibly crazy things go their way than Brady has. Tuck rules, a great defense, cheesey calls, great coaching..... what NFL QB wouldnt have won at least one SB with all of these "freebies"? Fock, Kyle Boller would have a ring by now with all of the eh-hem "help". He has barely had to work for any of it.

 

Like you say...when is the last time Brady made an incredible throw? NEVER! Dink and dunks with an occassional Moss jump ball. Focking pretty basic stuff. Great O-line too, just in case he needed more help.

 

Lets use a financial analogy: Brady is like the kid whos Dad owns Wal-Mart or something....when he grows up to be successful and wealthy you are NOT that impressed because he had soooooo much help along the way. I mean, how could Brady have failed? Alls he had to do was pretty much show up. Unlike Favre or Elway who could be viewed as the poor kids that made something of themselves with NO help or built-in failsafe triggers.

 

Brady is a glorified or glossed-up Trent Dilfer.

 

[donkeyboy22 0]

No. I really have a hard time saying "best of all time"...of the elitest of the elite...yes.

 

Once you are talking the Favre, Brady, Marino, Elway, Manning, Montana, Unitas etc. you just have to say they are all unbelievable at thie craft. When you see that elite group, you then have to say that it may be something like a system or supporting cast that could win more championships or not.

 

I dont agree with the premise that Elway was not a great QB before he won his Super Bowls. We know great when we see it....I cant say that QB A would not have have won more rings if he were on QB B's team.

 

All that being said, if you asked me to start a franchise with any QB in history who would I choose, I would have a hard time deciding between Elway, Brady, and Montana. But I will do just fine with anyone I put in that elite group.

[parrot 790]

Why would picking up a second SB vault Favre ahead of Montana and his four?

[NewbieJr 541]

Why would picking up a second SB vault Favre ahead of Montana and his four?

Because it's not just a "how many Lombardis" contest. Is that how guards are judged? How about safeties? Long-snappers?

[Brad GLuckman 519]

There's no real way to tell who's the best of all time. No test given. It's all preception. And we all have different perceptions of greatness.

 

I will say I would rather have Brady for a team in a high-pressure situation. He just remains cool, doesn't get phased, and is very good at analyzing the defense and taking what he can. You can say Brady dinked and dunked his way through that Jags "D", but that's fine. He put up points and they won. If you want to take away Moss, Brady is smart enough to find another way to beat you. (good coaching there too)

 

If I had a team with average talent, I would want Favre. He, more than any QB I have ever seen can elevate the play of everyone around him. He could, by himself, win games. Look what he's done this year. Let's not forget there was no Ryan Grant thorugh week 8, and Green Bay was 7-1.

 

Smart QB's - Favre and Brady are smart - but to me Manning does it better than anyone else. Yes he has had great receivers. But he knows football, he studies football nonstop (like Brady) and he's one of the best because of it.

 

 

This is just among QB's today...throw in the great QB's we've had over the years of the Superbowl era and it gets even more confusing. But the debate is pointless. Some have mentioned it and I'll repeat it. Just enjoy it, all these guys are something special.

[KSB2424 3,174]

Why would picking up a second SB vault Favre ahead of Montana and his four?

A better question would be: How can the career leader in passing yards, passing TD's, and a multiple Superbowl winner under different coaches in different era's, not be considered the best ever?

[parrot 790]

Because it's not just a "how many Lombardis" contest. Is that how guards are judged? How about safeties? Long-snappers?

 

I never said it was a how many Lombardis contest or Terry Bradshaw would be in the discussion. But apparently Lombardis are pretty important judging by the topic heading and opinions on guys like Elway and Marino, and Montana will still have twice as many as Favre and great career stats to boot. What's the argument for Favre that trumps Montana?

[NewbieJr 541]

I never said it was a how many Lombardis contest or Terry Bradshaw would be in the discussion. But apparently Lombardis are pretty important judging by the topic heading and opinions on guys like Elway, and Montana will still have twice as many as Favre and great career stats to boot. What's the argument for Favre that trumps Montana?

Because getting a title with their third string running back and a team that was picked to be 8-8 at best would be a moment that pushes him even further ahead of the already legendary career he's had.

 

Going into the season as the Vegas favorite and winning it all is a great accomplishment, but not nearly as great as not even being picked to make the playoffs and making it. Can we agree on that?

[donhaas 19]

What's the argument for Favre that trumps Montana?

 

Talent.... and how he made the players around him better....

 

Do you think Favre could have won a Super Bowl with Craig, Rice, Taylor, and all the SF monster talent.??

Young did... and rather easily, I might add...

 

Do you think Montana could have won a Super Bowl with Freeman, Beebe, Levens, Bennett?

Could he win it with the youngest team in the league/rebuilding team of this year?

 

Is Elway an elite quarterback because he got destroyed in his prime but road TD's tails to wins later?

Would Elway have been a failure if TD had never come into his life? Or exactly the same QB?

 

Go ahead and speculate on all of these... that's what football forums are for....

[Dan 66]

Outside of this year when has Brady had the OL people are talking about? Matt Light last year was the first pro bow OL Brady ever had, and that was as an alternate. Since Brady has been here the OL has been switched around and played with due to injuries, talent and FA losses. I have never watched a QB where i am thinking he's dead in the water and then bang, he steps up, a duck there, a roll there and he's out of trouble, maybe the best pocket awareness ever.

 

I'm sorry. You're kidding, right? This paragraph was a joke? You're honestly suggesting that the O-Line can only be deemed great when it gets Pro Bowl bids? You honestly think that's the measure of a great offensive line?

 

I would not suggest that Brady has never thrown under pressure. Every QB has. But his lines have continuously given him an amazing amount of time to throw. Remember the Super Bowl against Carolina, when he won the only Super Bowl MVP that he deserved? Against the best front four in the NFL that year, Brady sat back and had coffee . . . play after play after play. No Pro-Bowlers on that line. Are you going to suggest that they were mediocre? Because you certainly cannot argue that Brady was "buying time" in the collapsing pocket; that would be a lie.

 

Best pocket awareness ever? That's probably overstated, but you're probably a fan. He's very good, but Marino was better - especially before his injury - and it's really not close.

 

Opinion, of course, but I absolutely disagree with your assertion that the line hasn't "been all that."

[listen2me 23 1,964]

I never said it was a how many Lombardis contest or Terry Bradshaw would be in the discussion. But apparently Lombardis are pretty important judging by the topic heading and opinions on guys like Elway, and Montana will still have twice as many as Favre and great career stats to boot. What's the argument for Favre that trumps Montana?

 

If Favre did it this year it would be more impressive to me than Bradshaw's Montana's and Brady's many rings. Yes it would only be 2 rings to their 4 4 and 3...but he did it with a different coach about 10 years apart. 1 in his prime and 1 in teh tail end of his career where people were telling him to quit 2 years prior, on a team that "should" be in the rebuilding mode (props to TT)....and its not like he would be riding a great Def into the SB (even though the D is solid) or a great running game (even though it has been great) The season consisted of no running game to a good running game, with 3-4 different RBs used.

 

It is certainly impressive to roll off 2 in a row or 3 in 5 years and what not, as a team. But its hard and lucky to be on a team 1st of all that is good enough to make it to the SB, but then be able to get there again 10 years later with all new players, it would certainly be a testiment to Favre and the only constant throughout the years.

 

Just out of curiousity has any QB ever won 2 Superbowls with totally different teams that far apart? I can't think of any.

[The Next Generation 11]

Do you think Montana could have won a Super Bowl with Freeman, Beebe, Levens, Bennett?

 

I think you forgot the SB MVP - D Howard

 

Montana = 3 SB MVPs

Brady = 2 SB MVPs

Elway = 1 SB MVP

Favre = 0 SB MVPs

 

Just sayin...

 

edited for D Howard

[Dan 66]

Just out of curiousity has any QB ever won 2 Superbowls with totally different teams that far apart? I can't think of any.

 

None. It has never been done, not by a QB anyway. Elway might be the QB with the longest gap between Super Bowl appearances as a QB, but I'm too lazy to look that up.

[listen2me 23 1,964]

None. It has never been done, not by a QB anyway. Elway might be the QB with the longest gap between Super Bowl appearances as a QB, but I'm too lazy to look that up.

 

Favre will break that record if he makes the Superbowl.

 

The record for longest time between superbowl starts by a QB.

 

I heard it a couple days ago.

[Dan 66]

I think you forgot the SB MVP - The Rocket

 

Montana = 3 SB MVPs

Brady = 2 SB MVPs

Elway = 1 SB MVP

Favre = 0 SB MVPs

 

Just sayin...

 

Super Bowl MVPs are not the ultimate measure of a player. One of Brady's is shaky at best. The Super Bowl is littered with MVPs that were given the award for lack of anyone else, or in some cases, just bad decisions.

 

Not worth mentioning, unless you're ready to put Bradshaw in this argument . . . just saying . . .

[Sho Nuff 720]

I think you forgot the SB MVP - The Rocket

 

Montana = 3 SB MVPs

Brady = 2 SB MVPs

Elway = 1 SB MVP

Favre = 0 SB MVPs

 

Just sayin...

 

The argument could be made that Favre deserved the MVP of their SB win more than Brady did for his first one.

 

Here are the numbers...

Favre - 14/27 246 yards, 2 passing TDs, 1 rushing TD...and a 14 point win.

Brady- 16/27 145 yards, 1 TD...and a 3 point win

[KSB2424 3,174]

I don't think no one has mentioned the fact that IF Favre wins the SB, it will prolly be against the undefeated powerhouse Patriots that are universely hated. That would only add to the legend.

 

John Maddens head would explode.

[DankNuggs 305]

Why??? Brady finally had a great season this year and its all thanks to Moss and the 5 WR spread offense. He doesnt make any diffcult throws. He just stands there and throws 5 yard doinkers to Welker and then a chuck and duck bomb to Moss. Sure, hes good at it, but with the time he has to throw 15 other QBs in the NFL could make the throws. Eeeking out SB wins with your FG kicker doesnt make one great.

 

Favre, Elway, and several others are WAY better than Brady from a purely QB talent perspective. Any non-Pat fan knows this, Im surprised you dont.

 

Now, if you want to discuss what QB had the best TEAMS to play with, then Brady/Montana are certainly 1 & 2.

LOL...

 

'Pure QB talent Perspective'

 

 

Every logical person here agrees that to be considered the greatest ever, you need SB rings... To get SB rings you need a talented team around you.

 

 

While Manning and Romo were chokejobbing it up, Brady goes 26 for 28.

 

 

its funny when people are really digging for an angle in an argument and make up these ridiculous 'categories' >>> Pure QB talent perspective.

 

 

Does the greatest ever need to be the guy who can throw it the furthest? Perhaps Jeff George should be in the discussion.... Or is it the guy who puts the team on his shoulders and wins in the clutch situations. Sometimes driving your team into FG range in a 2:00 drill to get your kicker on the field is what it takes to get it done...

 

3 rings in 6 years, looking for 4 in 7, that is frankly absurd.

 

 

The one thing i will say is that Brady still has plenty of his storyline left to write in the record books... Not even 7 years into his career he is standing shoulder to shoulder with the best of all time.