Green Bay Coach and GM

[Walter34 3]

so one can tell me what the back and forth was?

 

This is what I saw but then I don't watch ESPN, maybe that is your problem?

 

1. Favre retires

2. Rodgers is named starter

3. Favre changes his mind

4. Packer attempt to trade Favre

5. Favre is gone

 

Here's an article from 2009.

 

http://community.sportsbubbler.com/forums/t/86190.aspx

 

It wasnt a clean break up, but messy where both sides had blood on their hands. This isn't opinion, its just the way it went down.

 

The soap apera played out in the press on both sides. Why did TT try and block favre from the vikings if he had moved on? Why did he not have the frank discussion with Favre in march man to man and avois the whole drame? I'm by no means on favre's side on this overall, but the pack could have handled it much better.

[donhaas 18]

Why did TT try and block favre from the vikings if he had moved on?

 

He didn't want his rival to have a great quarterback when we all know that they can't draft one themselves

 

 

This was not the Packers moving on from Shane McNown to Shane Krenzel here....

[Sho Nuff 720]

so one can tell me what the back and forth was?

 

This is what I saw but then I don't watch ESPN, maybe that is your problem?

 

1. Favre retires

2. Rodgers is named starter

3. Favre changes his mind

4. Packer attempt to trade Favre

5. Favre is gone

Between 3-4...there were several instances where both sides were going through the media. If you can't see that, I don't know if I can help. It was not just as simple as you are laying out.

Or do you not remember the Packers trying to push back when they made a decision on Favre and having the commish tell them they had to do something with him.

Ive said it from the beginning...Ted's biggest mistake was letting it play out on ESPN...rather than getting on a plane to see Favre as soon as he said he wanted back. It should have been taken care of long before the trade happened, and it should have been done without being a mess on ESPN. Both sides screwed the pooch.

You want specific incidents...meh, no point in again searching up each article from between the time he said he did not want to retire and the time they traded him. Its been done over and over on several different boards.

And Ive been a strong Thompson supporter, so its not just me supporting Favre here. Both sides screwed up...in the end, Ted made the right decision and it worked out well for GB...so I don't care to rehash every little detail again.

[Phurfur 70]

Between 3-4...there were several instances where both sides were going through the media. If you can't see that, I don't know if I can help. It was not just as simple as you are laying out.

Or do you not remember the Packers trying to push back when they made a decision on Favre and having the commish tell them they had to do something with him.

Ive said it from the beginning...Ted's biggest mistake was letting it play out on ESPN...rather than getting on a plane to see Favre as soon as he said he wanted back. It should have been taken care of long before the trade happened, and it should have been done without being a mess on ESPN. Both sides screwed the pooch.

You want specific incidents...meh, no point in again searching up each article from between the time he said he did not want to retire and the time they traded him. Its been done over and over on several different boards.

And Ive been a strong Thompson supporter, so its not just me supporting Favre here. Both sides screwed up...in the end, Ted made the right decision and it worked out well for GB...so I don't care to rehash every little detail again.

 

I will repeat, I do not watch the soap opera many of you call ESPN.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I will repeat, I do not watch the soap opera many of you call ESPN.

 

Then don't claim there was no back and forth. Because there was.

[Phurfur 70]

Then don't claim there was no back and forth. Because there was.

 

On the soap opera ESPN a lot of things happen that don't happen in real life. They are currently no more than a National Inquirer for sports.

 

I can not understand how any REAL sports fan can give them any credibility. ESPN is a JOKE!

 

By back and forth do you mean Favre saying I want back in and TT saying Rodgers is my QB?

[Sho Nuff 720]

On the soap opera ESPN a lot of things happen that don't happen in real life. They are currently no more than a National Inquirer for sports.

 

I can not understand how any REAL sports fan can give them any credibility. ESPN is a JOKE!

 

By back and forth do you mean Favre saying I want back in and TT saying Rodgers is my QB?

 

Problem is...it played out on more than just that network.

By back and forth I mean the two sides played out a ton through the media before Favre came in to GB and actually met with the Packers and was ultimately traded.

[Phurfur 70]

Problem is...it played out on more than just that network.

By back and forth I mean the two sides played out a ton through the media before Favre came in to GB and actually met with the Packers and was ultimately traded.

 

Please show me where TT "went to the media" with the Favre situation. The way I remember it was that Favre went to the media and the media would ask TT about the situation at every news conference. Is that your idea of TT going back and forth?

 

I would agree the media went back and forth but once TT made the change to Rodgers he never waivered and never gave Favre false hope of starting again in GB.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Thompson took over the general manager duties from Mike Sherman, who had been serving as both head coach and general manager. Prior to becoming the Packers' general manager, Thompson served with the Seattle Seahawks as their vice president of operations from 2000 to 2004.

 

I forgot he came from Seattle. Fittingly his first draft pick in Green Bay was Rodgers.

 

Luckily, Seattle filled his position with Tim Ruskell who luckily (for Seahawks and Packer fans) is in Chicago now.

[Cuse9 129]

In fairness to Sweetness...wasn't he saying the Packers would be better "this year" which was 2009 with Favre? Maybe I'm too lazy to read everything, but it looks like we're reading more into this post than there actucally is?

 

But I dunno, I'm just posting to get me over 10,000 posts....woo hoo

[Sho Nuff 720]

Please show me where TT "went to the media" with the Favre situation. The way I remember it was that Favre went to the media and the media would ask TT about the situation at every news conference. Is that your idea of TT going back and forth?

 

I would agree the media went back and forth but once TT made the change to Rodgers he never waivered and never gave Favre false hope of starting again in GB.

As I said, Im not going to go back and rehash every article written to satisfy you.

I think most realize it was there.

As far as the not waivering and no false hope...here is one for you that I knew about easily that shows you are wrong.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700248045/Packers-president-Murphy-says-team-will-welcome-Favre-back.html

 

Its not TT saying he will start...its the president and CEO saying they would welcome him back.

[Phurfur 70]

As I said, Im not going to go back and rehash every article written to satisfy you.

I think most realize it was there.

As far as the not waivering and no false hope...here is one for you that I knew about easily that shows you are wrong.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700248045/Packers-president-Murphy-says-team-will-welcome-Favre-back.html

 

Its not TT saying he will start...its the president and CEO saying they would welcome him back.

 

 

I thought we were talking about TT going back and forth?

[Sho Nuff 720]

I thought we were talking about TT going back and forth?

 

I was talking about he and the Packers.

You claimed there was not false hope. Sorry I don't have a quote from TT (not shocking as you won't get much of him in front of the media ever).

But there was most certainly back and forth in the media between the team and Favre (whether it was TT, McCarthy, or Murphy).

[Phurfur 70]

I was talking about he and the Packers.You claimed there was not false hope. Sorry I don't have a quote from TT (not shocking as you won't get much of him in front of the media ever).

But there was most certainly back and forth in the media between the team and Favre (whether it was TT, McCarthy, or Murphy).

 

 

That is not a very good backpedal. Below is the original post you replied to. I never mentioned anyone but TT.

 

 

Phurfur, on 18 February 2011 - 03:55 PM, said:

Favre retired, TT named Rodgers the starter and that was it, there was no back and forth. Once Favre retired he was not coming back. Tell me how TT went back and forth!

[Sho Nuff 720]

That is not a very good backpedal. Below is the original post you replied to. I never mentioned anyone but TT.

 

Well, it was not meant as a back pedal. The team and Favre had a lot of back and forth. You just won't see many quotes from TT...because he simply does not give the press much in direct quotes.

I don't just separate out TT though...not with a team like GB. I put them all together between he, Murphy, and McCarthy.

 

So ok, there was not much back and forth between Favre and any direct quote from Ted Thompson. Yippee.

[fanfootballtn 33]

This thread keeps getting bumped to rub it in the faces of posters that on the most part are no longer here. Why keep it going?

 

Are you kidding me? Most of those A-holes will NEVER leave this site.

[Arsenal 3]

 

This is what I saw but then I don't watch ESPN, maybe that is your problem?

 

1. Favre retires

2. Rodgers is named starter

3. Favre changes his mind

4. Packer attempt to trade Favre

5. Favre is gone

 

If memory serves - Favre was fairly wishy washy about if he was even coming back for a long time. What he was looking for was the treatment that the Vikes gave him where he mentions that he might be interested in coming back, and then to have everyone fawn over him, send an escort down to Mississippi and beg him to come back. That didn't happen, TT and the Packers had moved on and believed that he would stay retired. When Favre finally did decide that he definitely wanted to come back, the Packers tried to negotiate a position for him to come on a coach/consultant instead (with a rather massive salary) - obviously it was not about the money for him and he declined. Then finally they were going to bring Favre into camp and have him compete with Rodgers for the starting position - which really ticked Favre off because he felt it was disrespectful (and he clearly did not want to even bother with training camps at that stage in his career). At that point Favre wanted to be cut so he could go play for the Vikes but there was no way the Packers were going to do that so they eventually ended up managing the trade to NY.

 

Does this qualify as "back and forth"? It certainly took a while for this stuff to play out, and it happened in a very public way. It definitely was not as clear cut as you are trying to make it out to be. Even in hind sight I am not sure how you can really say that the Packers handled the situation terribly - sure, it would have been great if it was less public, but there is only so much you can do in this day and age to accomplish that and you cannot simply ignore the media.

[IMMensaMind 462]

If memory serves - Favre was fairly wishy washy about if he was even coming back for a long time. What he was looking for was the treatment that the Vikes gave him where he mentions that he might be interested in coming back, and then to have everyone fawn over him, send an escort down to Mississippi and beg him to come back. That didn't happen, TT and the Packers had moved on and believed that he would stay retired. When Favre finally did decide that he definitely wanted to come back, the Packers tried to negotiate a position for him to come on a coach/consultant instead (with a rather massive salary) - obviously it was not about the money for him and he declined. Then finally they were going to bring Favre into camp and have him compete with Rodgers for the starting position - which really ticked Favre off because he felt it was disrespectful (and he clearly did not want to even bother with training camps at that stage in his career). At that point Favre wanted to be cut so he could go play for the Vikes but there was no way the Packers were going to do that so they eventually ended up managing the trade to NY.

 

Does this qualify as "back and forth"? It certainly took a while for this stuff to play out, and it happened in a very public way. It definitely was not as clear cut as you are trying to make it out to be. Even in hind sight I am not sure how you can really say that the Packers handled the situation terribly - sure, it would have been great if it was less public, but there is only so much you can do in this day and age to accomplish that and you cannot simply ignore the media.

 

^^^this.

[shovelheadt 71]

If memory serves - Favre was fairly wishy washy about if he was even coming back for a long time. What he was looking for was the treatment that the Vikes gave him where he mentions that he might be interested in coming back, and then to have everyone fawn over him, send an escort down to Mississippi and beg him to come back. That didn't happen, TT and the Packers had moved on and believed that he would stay retired. When Favre finally did decide that he definitely wanted to come back, the Packers tried to negotiate a position for him to come on a coach/consultant instead (with a rather massive salary) - obviously it was not about the money for him and he declined. Then finally they were going to bring Favre into camp and have him compete with Rodgers for the starting position - which really ticked Favre off because he felt it was disrespectful (and he clearly did not want to even bother with training camps at that stage in his career). At that point Favre wanted to be cut so he could go play for the Vikes but there was no way the Packers were going to do that so they eventually ended up managing the trade to NY.

 

Does this qualify as "back and forth"? It certainly took a while for this stuff to play out, and it happened in a very public way. It definitely was not as clear cut as you are trying to make it out to be. Even in hind sight I am not sure how you can really say that the Packers handled the situation terribly - sure, it would have been great if it was less public, but there is only so much you can do in this day and age to accomplish that and you cannot simply ignore the media.

 

Best description I've seen in this thread. Favre was a b!tch and completely planned on skipping most of camp until he saw they were moving on.

[remote controller 143]

Hey.... I found this half way down page one!??

[Sho Nuff 720]

Oh Sweetness......

 

Hah!!!!!

This thread is still great.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Where is that little tw@t? I'm sure he'll be all over the Seahawk thread if they lose Sunday.

 

ball-less, fairweather fans.

[donhaas 18]

as I said in the summer..this 3-4 switch was basically done to buy this regime more time.....

 

cant fire them NOW..they have a new qb...

 

cant fire them NOW..they just switched their defense....

 

they are simply masking the fact that this is a bad team led by a GM who traded the franchise for a single pick...all the while praying that his qb isnt what he is..a dime a dozen...

 

i love it and ill say it yet again...the TT being fired countdown is on..no matter how much in denial some of you are...

 

 

I love BMoney :banana:

[Sho Nuff 720]

I love BMoney :banana:

 

Its bad when BMoney might have looked worse than Sweetness in this.

At least with Sweetness you just knew he was an ignorant Bear homer with no clue about football.

Bmoney acted like he knew something...pretended to be a Packer fan eventhough he was a Seahawks fan...but he was dead wrong on everything about Thompson, McCarthy, and Rodgers. And then he ran away.

[tanatastic 2,062]

As a packer fan I have to say this necro is pretty great. Im not a coward, ill even come out and say I was a rodgers hater when favre left. Never have I had such a turnaround from contempt to adoration, its just stunning. The TT transformation from goat to god has been awsome. As a true fan, owning up and admitting ou mistakes feels so much better than backpedaling and claiming we knew all along.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

I love BMoney :banana:

 

Wasn't who I was talking about but now that you mention it he has been MIA too.

[donhaas 18]

Favre says Rodgers should have won Lombardi Trophy earlier; and benefited from watching his greatness

 

 

Brett Favre acquired but one Super Bowl title during his otherwise iconic 16-year run with the Green Bay Packers, but he remains intrigued that his successor, Aaron Rodgers, took so long to do the same.

 

Emerging from the Mississippi wilderness this week for a rare interview with WQXI-AM (via SportsRadioInterviews.com), Favre riffed on Rodgers' career thus far, saying: "I'm going to be honest, I was not surprised (he won a title). The biggest surprise to me would be that he didn't do it sooner.

 

 

"I'd like to think that he watched, he learned, and then when he got a chance to play, he brought in his ability, which obviously is very good or they wouldn't have drafted him in the first round," Favre said of Rodgers, who won the Super Bowl in his third season as Green Bay's starter after three years as the backup. "He's got tremendous talent, he's very bright, and he got a chance to watch and he saw successful teams do it right. ... He just kind of fell into a good situation. On top of that, he's a good player. ... The talent around him is even better than when I was there. So I'm really kind of surprised it took him so long."

 

If it reads like a backhanded compliment from Favre, who won his Super Bowl in his fifth season as a starter, his voice suggested no resentment or bitterness. It's just the Favre we've always known -- competitive, heart on his sleeve -- but one year removed from the game and content with his new life farming in his "tight little shorts, no shirt and his little red hat."

 

Favre, who turns 42 on Oct. 10, isn't about to stage another comeback. Guy's clearly over it. He bemoaned the monotonous grind between games and the "draining" week-to-week pressure to perform at peak level.

 

Still, there's this gem, floating in the ether.

 

"That's not to say one day I'll become bored. We all become bored with whatever we do, at some point," Favre said. "But I've got this philosophy right now to kind of just take everything as it comes, don't get hurried, there's no reason to -- and just enjoy life."

[Grateful Parrot 0]

Favre says Rodgers should have won Lombardi Trophy earlier; and benefited from watching his greatness

 

 

Brett Favre acquired but one Super Bowl title during his otherwise iconic 16-year run with the Green Bay Packers, but he remains intrigued that his successor, Aaron Rodgers, took so long to do the same.

 

Emerging from the Mississippi wilderness this week for a rare interview with WQXI-AM (via SportsRadioInterviews.com), Favre riffed on Rodgers' career thus far, saying: "I'm going to be honest, I was not surprised (he won a title). The biggest surprise to me would be that he didn't do it sooner.

 

 

"I'd like to think that he watched, he learned, and then when he got a chance to play, he brought in his ability, which obviously is very good or they wouldn't have drafted him in the first round," Favre said of Rodgers, who won the Super Bowl in his third season as Green Bay's starter after three years as the backup. "He's got tremendous talent, he's very bright, and he got a chance to watch and he saw successful teams do it right. ... He just kind of fell into a good situation. On top of that, he's a good player. ... The talent around him is even better than when I was there. So I'm really kind of surprised it took him so long."

 

If it reads like a backhanded compliment from Favre, who won his Super Bowl in his fifth season as a starter, his voice suggested no resentment or bitterness. It's just the Favre we've always known -- competitive, heart on his sleeve -- but one year removed from the game and content with his new life farming in his "tight little shorts, no shirt and his little red hat."

 

Favre, who turns 42 on Oct. 10, isn't about to stage another comeback. Guy's clearly over it. He bemoaned the monotonous grind between games and the "draining" week-to-week pressure to perform at peak level.

 

Still, there's this gem, floating in the ether.

 

"That's not to say one day I'll become bored. We all become bored with whatever we do, at some point," Favre said. "But I've got this philosophy right now to kind of just take everything as it comes, don't get hurried, there's no reason to -- and just enjoy life."

 

Still don't know how to take this. It still sounds condescending to me. We all heard that Favre didn't want to coach Rodgers, but now he's saying, since he watched me, he should have known what to do, even though I couldn't do it myself. I was Favre fan, up until the sexting issue, that pretty much tarnished him for me as far as him being a somewhat nice person. It's also still hard for me living through the "i'm retiring..not retiring..retiring..not retiring" years that Rodgers had to go through. I think Rodgers is right on track and looks good for the future. And I don't miss the last minute heroics/interceptions that we went through with Favre, even though some of the heroics were phenomenal.

[Arsenal 3]

He just kind of fell into a good situation

 

Favre left GB a circus of drama and uncertainty - I'd hardly say it was a good situation. I'm a Favre fan - how can you not be after watching him successfully lead your team for all those years, but these kinds of statements are pretty ridiculous.

 

The thing that strikes me though is that I don't think Favre could do what Rodgers is doing right now. He never had the ability to essentially run the entire offense through him because he didn't have that consistency to his game and eventually he would find a way to fock it up. Favre was a great QB, and to have stability at that position for so many years is a HUGE deal for a franchise, but he needed a lot more help from defense and special teams in order to win his ring. For him to sit there and say Rodgers should have won it earlier... like I said earlier, that is pretty ridiculous. Look Favre, you are not protecting your legacy with these kinds of comments, you are diminishing it.

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

FARVE = ######

[Walter34 3]

favre is a putz. Rodgers has been playing at a higher level the past 3 years than Favre ever did. The ego is out of this world and the comments are very back handed and condescending. While favre was the "gunslinger", you were always waiting for the other shoe to drop. His inconsistency was epic and throughout the 2000s, every season ended with a dumbassed throw from him. Rodgers is precise, consistent and robotic in his game. As a bears fan, I fear Rodgers more than I ever did Favre.

[Boilermaker04 11]

It reads much worse than it sounds

[Forbess 0]

I dont think Favre's intent is near what this quote is being twisted in to. Everyone is reading "geez what took this bum so long to get a ring" when I think he just meant "Rodgers is so good and the team is so talented I thought they would have won before last year".

 

Anything out of Brett's mouth that is anything short of total praise for Aaron Rodgers is gonna get played up in the media.

[donhaas 18]

It reads much worse than it sounds

 

No, I've heard it... He sounds like a bitter old douche

[donhaas 18]

rodney harrison weighs in

[Boilermaker04 11]

rodney harrison weighs in

 

Irony.

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

rodney harrison weighs in

So true.

 

Brett Farve is about Brett Farve.

 

That's it.

[Bouve-Rules 0]

On a side note: Randall Cobb mentioned of his 108 yard TD return in week 1 that 'God told him to return it', Favre was asked about that during his interview, his answer: "Nah. Shucks. I didn't tell Cobb nuthin like that, I was in my living room watchin TV last Sunday afternoon."

 

PS - I totally stole that from someone else but thought it was worthy of a re-post!

 

I loved Favre as a player but I've moved on from his BS. He's making a fool of himself and it's ugly. Have some class - see Joe Montana's exit from San Francisco. Joe had 10 times more reason to be upset with the 49ers and Steve Young but he kept his dignity.

[donhaas 18]

Favre helped get this team to 13-3 and even earned an MVP vote. He is ignorant to think that rodgers could come in and do the same.

 

judging by the practice the other day, inside the 5, rodgers fumbles a snap..throws an INT, nearly throws another..he is singlehandedly trying to kill all momentum.

 

he drafted very well for the seahawks but like u said..refuses to spend $..it wasnt til he left that fa's were brought in and they reached the super bowl..

 

TT needs to go...

 

[donhaas 18]

Packer fans: I'm trying to remember what Rodgers' third interception was this year [been bothering me this morning...]

 

 

He had that one beautiful long ball to Jennings that bounced off Jennings hands and into a safety's hands

That one where Urlacher dropped back into coverage and made a great play....

 

 

Can't think of the third one