Buy Low Baby...

[Mad Brad 0]

Yaaa boieeee....

 

 

Check it out... In my keeper league, where we keep six... Me and a guy are both 0-2... I heard from another owner his was offering Palmer up for trade... So Bradley mcMAdly steps into the frey and offers him...

 

P. Rivers, M. Hasselsuck, and Deshawn (my boy, who likes to leave the rock at the 1 yard line after a big play) Jackson

 

and I get... Drum roll please...

 

 

 

Carson Palmer, Chad (the artist formerly known as ocho cinco) Johnson and Chad Pennington...

 

 

GOD I LOVE THIS COUNTRY !!!!!! MB

[mdm_1971 0]

if you got Palmer, ocho cinco and pennington you got the short end of the stick.....you gave up too much for that....Phillip rivers is going to be a top 10 qb if not top 5, Jackson may end up being top 15 wr...... but i think you gave up too much

[WhiteWonder 2,737]

Yaaa boieeee....

Check it out... In my keeper league, where we keep six... Me and a guy are both 0-2... I heard from another owner his was offering Palmer up for trade... So Bradley mcMAdly steps into the frey and offers him...

 

P. Rivers, M. Hasselsuck, and Deshawn (my boy, who likes to leave the rock at the 1 yard line after a big play) Jackson

 

and I get... Drum roll please...

Carson Palmer, Chad (the artist formerly known as ocho cinco) Johnson and Chad Pennington...

GOD I LOVE THIS COUNTRY !!!!!! MB

 

DeSean

 

your boy's name is DeSean

[Mad Brad 0]

if you got Palmer, ocho cinco and pennington you got the short end of the stick.....you gave up too much for that....Phillip rivers is going to be a top 10 qb if not top 5, Jackson may end up being top 15 wr...... but i think you gave up too much

 

 

Well see I have LT as well, and don't really like playing Lt and Rivers at the same time... Plus I have Chad Johnson as a bench warmer as I have...

 

Palmer (now), LT, Moss, Braylon, A. Johnson, B. Marshall... as my core starters.... Now I can plug in ocho stinko during bye weeks instead of Edgerrin James... MB

 

ps. Plus I kinda like having WR's that keep the ball in their hands as they cross the goal line... It kinda helps the bottom line ya know what I'm sayin'...

[Guest BernardPollardFan]

if you got Palmer, ocho cinco and pennington you got the short end of the stick.....you gave up too much for that....Phillip rivers is going to be a top 10 qb if not top 5, Jackson may end up being top 15 wr...... but i think you gave up too much

I'm gonna have to agree. With the state of the Bengals, I could easily see a new QB drafted or brought in and Ocho Cinco getting shipped out of town. You gave up a QB that has been lights out the first 2 weeks and one of the only rookie WRs in recent memory to actually make a splash. Not only are you overplaying the fact that it's a keeper league by getting Palmer and Chad Johnson, you're also underplaying it by getting rid of Rivers, who keeps getting better every year, and DeSean Jackson.

[Guest BernardPollardFan]

Well see I have LT as well, and don't really like playing Lt and Rivers at the same time...

Why not? One of them has to do well, if not both.

[Mad Brad 0]

DeSean

 

your boy's name is DeSean

 

 

Thank you for the correction... The Corona's are to blame... MB

[throttlers 0]

Um...I don't think you did yourself any favors.

 

Rivers is playing much better than Palmer right now and has a very good schedule. He could easily outproduce Palmer the rest of the year the way things are going. I think coming off 2 3 td games in a row, his value should be a little higher if you were going to trade him.

 

I'd take Desean over 85 in a keeper league right now. This kid looks to be the real deal.

 

I like Hass over Pennington too, but it's close.

 

All in all, it's probably a pretty even trade, but I like the other side of it.

[Eagles Green 34]

So in a keeper league, you traded young, high scoring future stars for older, underchieving guys.

 

And then came here to brag.

 

 

Nice work.

[Mad Brad 0]

So in a keeper league, you traded young, high scoring future stars for older, underchieving guys.

 

And then came here to brag.

Nice work.

 

 

I like the trade... So in 4-6 weeks we'll see how it plays out... The Bengals can't continue to be this bad... And Rivers will return to earth shortly... Where I come from it's called sell high, and buy low... Maybe you've heard of the stock market... You know like wall street... This just in, this litlle FF game is the same thing... We'll talk in 6-8 weeks... Not 1-2 weeks AGO !!!!!!!!

 

None of you can convince me you wouldn't have done this trade a month ago... and I'm not going to let the last 2 weeks of games played, tell me this was a bad trade for me at this point, cause on paper it's a good one for me... In real life we'll find out in about a month or two... MB

[16 and 33 0]

Horrible trade.

 

So in a keeper league, you traded young, high scoring future stars for older, underchieving guys.

 

And then came here to brag.

 

 

Nice work.

 

The Corona's are to blame... MB

 

Note to self: DRINKING + TRADING = BAD IDEA

[Mad Brad 0]

Horrible trade.

Note to self: DRINKING + TRADING = BAD IDEA

 

 

Sorry the drinking came after the trade... It's called celebrating... HTH MB

[Gepetto 1,368]

[KingMathers8 0]

LOL at people who think Rivers will keep it up. I had this guy all last year he doesn't even throw the ball he pushes it. Sorry but Palmer is a much better QB he had 2 tough games they will get him protection and Chad will turn it up. Jeeez it's only been 2 games. I guess S. Jackson, MJD, Peyton, Hush, LT all suck. I like the trade and whoever said Cinn will draft another QB doesn't know anything about football Palmer is NOT the problem it's the O-Line just Like S.Jackson isn't the problem.

 

Look at chads numbers the last 5 years. His track record speaks for itself. Some moron dropped Mcfadden after week 1 hahaha. Just be patient...

[the_risen_demon 0]

The "am I jumping the gun or missing the boat?" question causes more ulcers in fantasy football than Shanahanigans, but I have to say I look at Cincy 2008 and see St. Louis, 2007. Former Pro Bowlers at the skill positions, but a quickly deteriorating line holds it all back. St. Louis at least had a good running back, but absent that I don't hold much hope that the running game will take pressure off Palmer and the receivers. If defenses don't fear the run, they will tee up against the QB and that line does not appear capable of stopping them. If you wanted a Bengal now's the time to move, but I don't think I would be celebrating the acquisition. I own Bulger in my dynasty and had to sit through some miserable Rams games. He's now buried behind Rivers and Rodgers.

[Guest BernardPollardFan]

LOL at people who think Rivers will keep it up. I had this guy all last year he doesn't even throw the ball he pushes it. Sorry but Palmer is a much better QB he had 2 tough games they will get him protection and Chad will turn it up. Jeeez it's only been 2 games. I guess S. Jackson, MJD, Peyton, Hush, LT all suck. I like the trade and whoever said Cinn will draft another QB doesn't know anything about football Palmer is NOT the problem it's the O-Line just Like S.Jackson isn't the problem.

 

Look at chads numbers the last 5 years. His track record speaks for itself. Some moron dropped Mcfadden after week 1 hahaha. Just be patient...

Mathers, you must not even watch Charger games. Rivers has an absolute cannon, and he's putting it on display so far. I'd bet money that Rivers finishes with more yards, TDs, better rating, and higher completion percentage than Palmer this season, ALL with less interceptions.

 

If you'd read my post more carefully, I never said "Cinncinati will draft another QB"

 

I was more making a point that nothing on that team is certain for next year.

[Dr Hook 6]

This is the obligatory "can I play in your league" reply.

[PackYourNut 47]

I like the trade... So in 4-6 weeks we'll see how it plays out... The Bengals can't continue to be this bad... And Rivers will return to earth shortly... Where I come from it's called sell high, and buy low... Maybe you've heard of the stock market... You know like wall street... This just in, this litlle FF game is the same thing... We'll talk in 6-8 weeks... Not 1-2 weeks AGO !!!!!!!!

 

None of you can convince me you wouldn't have done this trade a month ago... and I'm not going to let the last 2 weeks of games played, tell me this was a bad trade for me at this point, cause on paper it's a good one for me... In real life we'll find out in about a month or two... MB

 

 

Last time I checked, FF and the stock market werent played out on "paper"... You got hosed and your celebrating... You should be Mad... Brad!

[bpork 0]

This is the obligatory "can I play in your league" reply.

 

lol, haven't seen much of that this year

 

maybe it's the in thing now

[hyness 0]

You gave up an investment in two the best offenses in the NFL (Bolts and Eagles) for an investment in two of the worst (Bengals and Dolphins)? I'm really shocked after your post about DeSean, I mean I couldn't imagine you trading ADP last year.

 

And for all of the Rivers haters, he is the real deal. The trade for Chambers really changed the complexion of the entire offense. They finally have the legitimate #1 WR that they have been lacking since Rivers has the been the starter. Plus, he really showed the heart of a champion last year the way he played so injured without complaint while LT sulked on the sidelines with his helmet on in the AFC championship. With Merriman out for the year, SD will be in shootouts all year, plus they have 4 games with Raiders and Chiefs still to come.

 

I think you will also regret giving up Hass this weekend, the Hawks are playing the Rams on Sunday.

[Dr. Octopus 0]

So in a keeper league, you traded young, high scoring future stars for older, underchieving guys.

 

And then came here to brag.

Nice work.

 

Palmer's old?

[slamminsam56 0]

Truly a terrible trade. I can't believe you honestly came to this message board to brag about that. That's like saying "Hey I traded Brandon Marshall and Chris Johnson for Marvin Harrison and Deuce McAllister! How lucky am I?!"

[enis_44 0]

HAHAAHAHAAHAHAAH! He took you to the cleaners.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

That's the problem with making your team moves public. Sometimes it doesn't go well.

 

You're getting killed in this thread.

[Gepetto 1,368]

That's the problem with making your team moves public. Sometimes it doesn't go well.

 

You're getting killed in this thread.

 

FFToday consensus opinions are usually wrong. I refer you to the Brees/Selvin Young for McNabb/Parker. I think I'll just wait for the end of the season results on everything and ignore the majority opinion here.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

FFToday consensus opinions are usually wrong. I refer you to the Brees/Selvin Young for McNabb/Parker. I think I'll just wait for the end of the season results on everything and ignore the majority opinion here.

 

What's your point? I'm saying the same thing. You make it public, you may pay the price.

 

The OP for this thread created this topic with the belief that everyone would let him know how great he was for his keeper league trade. It backfired on him and I think it's pretty damn funny.

[jgcrawfish 232]

MadBrad...um, hate to break it to you, but i think you double focked yourself. Here's how I see the scenario playing out...

 

First, LT simply ain't what he used to be. I think we are seeing the beginning of the end there. Health obviously is a major concern. The loss of Turner is also one, because I will not deny the talent of Sproles, Turner is a much better and more complete back. Then there is the fact that thus far, their defense is leakier than an old guy with a bladder problem. In two games, it's pretty clear the Chargers are more of a passing team at this point because of LT and his status. Rivers may not continue at his current pace, but his #'s for this year will definitely be considerably higher and he has an outstanding group of pass catchers in Chamber/Jackson and Gates. LT will come back and be effective at times, but I think he's gonna miss more time than we're used to and the offense will sputter in his absence because they no longer have Turner to fall back on. That will put much more pressure on Rivers and he will have to throw more, as we have seen in games this year.

 

Carson Palmer is playing behind arguably the worst offensive line in the league, has no running game, has two hurt WR's and a pathetic defense. Things may improve when they get their redzone guy Chris Henry back, but they look putrid thus far and still have games face the following defenses: Giants, Cowboys, Steelers (twice), Jaguars, Ravens, Colts and Redskins. That's 8 games out of 14 against teams that really get after the QB and have fairly stout defenses. This year doesn't bode will for Palmer or his teammates.

 

Hasselbeck...he's play with guys like me out of the stands as WR. Hell, his rookie TE is far and away the best pass catcher active on the roster right now. I'll go on record right now by predicting that Hass finishes as a top 8 QB in the 2nd half of the season after Engram and Branch come back. He plays in a weak division against a lot suspect passing defenses, and he will turn it around!

 

Chad Pennington is garbage, nuff said.

 

Ocho Cinco is hurt, disinterested and has the same issues that I outlined in Palmer.

 

DeSean Jackson (spelling counts) is a wildcard right now. When Curtis and Reggie Brown come back, I see him having substantially less of a role. Plus I also see teams adjusting to him around week 4-5, once they have a lot of gamefilm of him. His receptions will slow down and he won't be getting open as much, particularly on deep routes. That said, at this point he's better than Chad Johnson.

 

Soooooo...

 

Rivers > Palmer

Hasselbeck >>>>>>> Chad Pennington

DeSean Jackson = Chad Ocho Stinko (I say this because, as you admit, you only have Ocho Stinko around for bye weeks. His history is 2-4 huge games a year and mediocre #'s the rest of the time, so if you get lucky, he'll be in your lineup when that happens, but most likely he won't...which is why I think Jackson and he are a wash).

 

So my breakdown is that you lose out at just about every position in this trade. Additionally...

 

Palmer (now), LT, Moss, Braylon, A. Johnson, B. Marshall... as my core starters.... Now I can plug in ocho stinko during bye weeks instead of Edgerrin James... MB

 

I personally would like to nominate you as the forerunner in the "All Bust Team" for the year. LT, Moss, Braylon and Chad Ocho Stinko all sound great, but, um, let's see how they pan out. I like AJ and Marshall, but me thinks you're in for a loooooong season.

[CookieG 4]

Hate to pile on dude.. but what about Palmer & Ocho Stinko is reading future yatzee to you? Rivers should be real productive for the next six seasons.. and the punk from Philly looks pretty good too.

[enis_44 0]

Guys! I just RIPPED a guy off in my league. The ultimate buy low.

I got Rudi Johnson and S Alexander for Matt Forte!

 

A perrnial 1500 yard rusher and an absolute Td MACHINE for this unknown rookie!

 

Oh, and it's a keeper league!!!!

[doctorlw 0]

Ha what a laugh. How many of you responding own Philip Rivers?

 

While I think DeSean looks like a solid player for a keeper league and that Chad Johnson is actually a step back thinking long term in a keeper... Palmer will turn it around and in the end be a better QB than Rivers. Not that Palmer will be great this year, but better than Rivers.

 

This is a fact.

 

Philip Rivers... are you guys kidding me? He sucks, always has and always will. Will be an average QB at the end of the year, or any other year, and will never have any significant impact on anyones rosters. I'm having a hard time believing most of the criticism is revolving around him in this thread. One or two good games, or bad games, a fantasy season does not make.

[Gepetto 1,368]

What's your point? I'm saying the same thing. You make it public, you may pay the price.

 

The OP for this thread created this topic with the belief that everyone would let him know how great he was for his keeper league trade. It backfired on him and I think it's pretty damn funny.

 

True. My point is simply that he made a great trade and the bashing is not deserved and that people are just way off in their evaluation of this trade.

[mobb_deep 920]

Classic thread. MadBrad for the win.

[Spec7ral 6]

Truly a terrible trade. I can't believe you honestly came to this message board to brag about that. That's like saying "Hey I traded Brandon Marshall and Chris Johnson for Marvin Harrison and Deuce McAllister! How lucky am I?!"

 

 

I think it must be a pretty resoundingly bad trade due to the following:

 

It's sam's 4th post in four years.

 

If that isn't a manifestation of disgust, I don't know what is.

[Mad Brad 0]

Fact is... Two games have been played... Rivers prolly played his best 2 games ever in his career, and those were certainly C. Palmer's WORST 2 games ever in his career...

 

Now according to you clowns Rivers is now the next coming of Jesus H. Christ, and Palmer is now old and sucks... wtf???

 

The simple fact is... most trades can't be measured in the 1st 48 hours... Try more like 10 weeks to 2 years... A month ago EVERY ONE OF YOU WOULD HAVE MADE THAT TRADE !!!! Now after 2 weeks into a season... I got taken ??? We'll talk in 3 months from now, or a year from now... Finally, I think the other party to the trade said it best... and I quote... MB

 

"I guess after last year and this year I am just fed up on waiting. If you look at Och stinko stats overall they are very nice, but if you look at his game to game stats they are misleading. They certainly have all the talent in the world, but no offensive line or a running game. Like any trade we will just have to wait and see."

[jgcrawfish 232]

Fact is... Two games have been played... Rivers prolly played his best 2 games ever in his career, and those were certainly C. Palmer's WORST 2 games ever in his career...

 

Now according to you clowns Rivers is now the next coming of Jesus H. Christ, and Palmer is now old and sucks... wtf???

 

The simple fact is... most trades can't be measured in the 1st 48 hours... Try more like 10 weeks to 2 years... A month ago EVERY ONE OF YOU WOULD HAVE MADE THAT TRADE !!!! Now after 2 weeks into a season... I got taken ??? We'll talk in 3 months from now, or a year from now... Finally, I think the other party to the trade said it best... and I quote... MB

 

"I guess after last year and this year I am just fed up on waiting. If you look at Och stinko stats overall they are very nice, but if you look at his game to game stats they are misleading. They certainly have all the talent in the world, but no offensive line or a running game. Like any trade we will just have to wait and see."

 

Um, ok, I'll play. Was Carson Palmer a top QB from the moment he walked into the league? I believe he sat behind Kitna in Cincy for a year and half or something and still struggled a bit in the 2nd half of that year. He became a good QB in part because he matured and because he had a good WR core. Soooo, looking at Rivers, what's to prevent him from hitting that same point in his career right now, albeit a bit behind where Palmer was? Face facts, he started to come to life last year when Chambers arrived and started to get acclimated to the offense. That one move shifted defensive focus from LT/Gates to the outside more and allowed Vincent Jackson to start developing. Rivers has as many weapons now as anybody else in the league and a good command of his offense and a defense that is looking suspect and appears to be requiring their offense to score more to have a chance to win. I drafted Rivers as a my backup, and really only took him because I wanted Schaub but he had the same bye week as Cutler. I have no loyalty to him other than I started him in week 1.

 

However, anyone who gets on here and blindly states that Palmer is the better QB and will finish with better #'s is a fool. Fact is that each year 4 of the top 10 QB from the previous year drop out of the top 10. How the fock do you presume to know which four???

 

Last Year:

1 Brady, Tom QB NE

2 Romo, Tony QB DAL

3 Manning, Peyton QB IND

4 Favre, Brett QB NYJ

5 Brees, Drew QB NO

6 Anderson, Derek QB CLE

7 Palmer, Carson QB CIN

8 Roethlisberger, Ben QB PIT

9 Hasselbeck, Matt QB SEA

10 Warner, Kurt QB ARI

 

This Year thus far:

1 Rivers, Philip QB SD

2 Cutler, Jay QB DEN

3 Rodgers, Aaron QB GB

4 McNabb, Donovan QB PHI

5 Romo, Tony QB DAL

6 Warner, Kurt QB ARI

7 Brees, Drew QB NO

8 Manning, Eli QB NYG

9 Kitna, Jon QB DET

10 Campbell, Jason QB WAS

 

I think guys like Palmer, Peyton, Big Ben and Favre will trend upward (all just outside the top 10 currently) and guys like Kitna and Campbell will come down. But to assume that Rivers is incapable of being a top 10 QB ain't so smart on yer part...

[Guest BernardPollardFan]

Ha what a laugh. How many of you responding own Philip Rivers?

 

While I think DeSean looks like a solid player for a keeper league and that Chad Johnson is actually a step back thinking long term in a keeper... Palmer will turn it around and in the end be a better QB than Rivers. Not that Palmer will be great this year, but better than Rivers.

 

This is a fact.

 

Philip Rivers... are you guys kidding me? He sucks, always has and always will. Will be an average QB at the end of the year, or any other year, and will never have any significant impact on anyones rosters. I'm having a hard time believing most of the criticism is revolving around him in this thread. One or two good games, or bad games, a fantasy season does not make.

Lot of insight in this post.

 

Rivers has a 6 TD, 400 yd head start on Palmer. Palmer's line can't buy him 3 seconds back there, while San Diego's line is still providing great protection with 2 backups. How has Rivers 'always' sucked? He made the pro-bowl in his first year starting, he's still approaching his prime. He has virtually the same stats as Cutler thus far into the season, and Cutler's stats are because he's the best, and Rivers' stats are because he got lucky? Not to mention that he's just beginning to approach his prime.

 

"This is a fact." No, it's your OPINION that Palmer will have a better year than Rivers somehow. It can't be a fact if it hasn't happened yet.

[stosher1 0]

Palmer will turn it around and in the end be a better QB than Rivers. Not that Palmer will be great this year, but better than Rivers.

This is a fact.

 

 

Lot of insight in this post.

 

Rivers has a 6 TD, 400 yd head start on Palmer. Palmer's line can't buy him 3 seconds back there, while San Diego's line is still providing great protection with 2 backups. How has Rivers 'always' sucked? He made the pro-bowl in his first year starting, he's still approaching his prime. He has virtually the same stats as Cutler thus far into the season, and Cutler's stats are because he's the best, and Rivers' stats are because he got lucky? Not to mention that he's just beginning to approach his prime.

 

"This is a fact." No, it's your OPINION that Palmer will have a better year than Rivers somehow. It can't be a fact if it hasn't happened yet.

A fact

The only "facts" are what's in books so far this year - see BPF's facts!

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Fact is... Two games have been played... Rivers prolly played his best 2 games ever in his career, and those were certainly C. Palmer's WORST 2 games ever in his career...

 

Now according to you clowns Rivers is now the next coming of Jesus H. Christ, and Palmer is now old and sucks... wtf???

 

The simple fact is... most trades can't be measured in the 1st 48 hours... Try more like 10 weeks to 2 years... A month ago EVERY ONE OF YOU WOULD HAVE MADE THAT TRADE !!!! Now after 2 weeks into a season... I got taken ??? We'll talk in 3 months from now, or a year from now... Finally, I think the other party to the trade said it best... and I quote... MB

 

"I guess after last year and this year I am just fed up on waiting. If you look at Och stinko stats overall they are very nice, but if you look at his game to game stats they are misleading. They certainly have all the talent in the world, but no offensive line or a running game. Like any trade we will just have to wait and see."

 

This is a much different tone than in your initial post. That one had the confident/cocky overtones of a lopsided trade. Now you're lashing out and sound a lot less confident.

 

Like the guy you traded said, we'll have to wait and see. As an 85 owner, I hope he can give just a wee bit more than he has so far

[jgcrawfish 232]

Here's one more thing to consider...Rivers will extend his lead over Palmer this weekend, meaning that nearly 20% into the season he'll have put up better #'s 100% of the time.

[CookieG 4]

Palmer is certainly a stud talent.. and 85 has some good years left in him from a talent standpoint. It all comes down to team situations. I dunno his contract sitch & NFL trades for franchise QBs aren't likely.

 

Assuming Marvin is toast.. How long until Palmer has a line and running game again? Rivers isn't as talented but he's on the team with the sick Oline and more weapons now.

 

Carson's a stand up guy and River's is a collosal p*nis.. and I own neither in a keeper.. so i'm rooting for you Mad Brad.