t.j 35 Posted January 11, 2009 It may have worked out better. Only getting 2 points and a free kick, if Ten does not score they are down by 1. Still at the time I would thing TEN would want the points. They fielded the ensuing punt, went down, and kicked a short FG. It wouldn't have been much harder to field the post-safety free kick, drove down, and kick a field goal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gocolts 300 Posted January 11, 2009 A stunner really. I didn't think there was anyway the Ravens would win this thing before it started. Incredible win by the Ravens today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill E. 703 Posted January 11, 2009 They fielded a punt, went down, and kicked a short FG. It wouldn't have been much harder to field the post-safety free kick, drove down, and kick a field goal. The way they were turning the ball over the fewer plays the better. Who knows at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted January 11, 2009 The way they were turning the ball over the fewer plays the better. Who knows at this point. They wouldn't have needed more plays. If they had the same drive, it would have just been a longer kick, but not very long. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mephisto 15 Posted January 11, 2009 Too many turnovers... BUT, those are key, critical penalties on key, critical drives and as a fan of football, it's unacceptable to me that this sh!t happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan 66 Posted January 11, 2009 Tennessee completely imploded in this game. Nonsense aside, they are going to have a long off-season looking in the mirror and realizing that they loss to a lesser team. They beat Baltimore up . . . but . . . 3 TOs down close to the Ravens' end zone 11 penalties (12? I might have missed one) Missed Field Goal (yes, I know it was 51 yards, but it was left and never budged) Squib kick after tying the game . . . What?!? Are you kidding me? Nice way to throw away a game. Well, here's hoping for Bloodbath III next week. Go Pittsburgh!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,367 Posted January 11, 2009 Boomer Esiason was contacted by several fans about that play that Flacco was near the back of the endzone. They showed the replay from the back of the endzone and there was clearly several inches of green grass and Flacco's back foot at all times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stonewall 647 Posted January 11, 2009 I thought the same thing and kept waiting for a replay. It never came Any update on this no-call? I, too, while watching it live thought he pulled an Orvlosky. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redtodd 7 Posted January 11, 2009 Damn shame that the Ravens won while being totally dominated all game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted January 11, 2009 Any update on this no-call? I, too, while watching it live thought he pulled an Orvlosky. Showed the replay on the postgame. He was in bounds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted January 11, 2009 The officiating for this game was pretty bad, and they inserted themselves into the outcome, just sickening.... The Titans were clearly the better team in this contest, and if not for some big mistakes at absolutely the WORST possible moments this game s is theirs 16-13...... I am so tired of seeing games decided by horrible officiating blunders.... I am almost certain that there is no way the Raven's make it past the Steelers ( I am pretty sure the Steelers beat the Chargers....) If will likely be a repeat of the first two games they played, which was much like the game today, and in THOSE two games the officials stole the game from the Raven's with their poor performance..... I would have VERY much like to have seen a game between the Steelers and Titans; with a healthy Chris Johnson..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
R8RMick 242 Posted January 11, 2009 Loved the way the announcer hacks were slobbering all over themselves in their praise of Flacco... "Oh he just won two playoff games as a rookie!" "He should've gotten Rookie of the Year!!!" "Doesn't he just look like JOE back there!" Then I see the guys stat line. 11/22 for 115 yds and 1 TD. WTF? If his defense gives up just TWO TDs this guy is getting killed by the media for posting those stats in a losing effort. And rightfully so. I hate announcer hacks who praise QB's for "managing" a game. That's like praising a ten-year-old for going deer hunting and not blowing his foot off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted January 11, 2009 Loved the way the announcer hacks were slobbering all over themselves in their praise of Flacco... "Oh he just won two playoff games as a rookie!" "He should've gotten ROY!!!" "Doesn't he just look like JOE back there!" Then I see the guys stat line. 11/22 for 115 yds and 1 TD. WTF? If his defense gives up just TWO TDs this guy is getting killed in the media for those stats in a losing effort. And rightfully so. I hate announcer hacks who praise QB's for "managing" a game. That's like praising a ten-year-old for going dear hunting and not blowing his foot off. Agreed.....lets call it what it is, the guy has enough raw talent to get by.......and has simply avoided mistakes......and when he needed to make a play, urgently needed to,he manged to pull it off. The Titans took themselves out of this game..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 547 Posted January 11, 2009 If Chris Johnson doesn't get hurt, the AFC Championship Game would be in Nashville next weekend. The Titans dominated this game and still lost it somehow. A really nice game by Kerry Collins in defeat for what it's worth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarheel Boy 0 Posted January 11, 2009 The officiating for this game was pretty bad, and they inserted themselves into the outcome, just sickening.... The Titans were clearly the better team in this contest, and if not for some big mistakes at absolutely the WORST possible moments this game s is theirs 16-13...... I am so tired of seeing games decided by horrible officiating blunders.... I am almost certain that there is no way the Raven's make it past the Steelers ( I am pretty sure the Steelers beat the Chargers....) If will likely be a repeat of the first two games they played, which was much like the game today, and in THOSE two games the officials stole the game from the Raven's with their poor performance..... I would have VERY much like to have seen a game between the Steelers and Titans; with a healthy Chris Johnson..... That game was in no shape or form decided by officials. Turnovers decided this game. Don't blame officiating. Blame the Titans for choking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted January 11, 2009 I am so tired of seeing games decided by horrible officiating blunders.... Yes indeed. And there is a huge diffeence between blunder and missed judgment call. The problem is the NFL accepts this incompetence. I mean what did the NFL do to Hochuli when he admitted he focked up the Den/SD game? They put a gag order on him Until the NFL holds these guys accountable for incompetent calls, nothing will change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted January 11, 2009 If Chris Johnson doesn't get hurt, the AFC Championship Game would be in Nashville next weekend. The Titans dominated this game and still lost it somehow. A really nice game by Kerry Collins in defeat for what it's worth. Yes, I think that the Titan's were right on their way to creating a very tired Raven's D by the end of the fourth quarter. AND you could tell that they were a different team in the third quarter without him on the field, almost sullen or something, and they clearly played a lower calibre game without him....although, White did fill in well.... Collins was impressive, he has put together a rather nice career..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted January 11, 2009 That game was in no shape or form decided by officials. Turnovers decided this game. Don't blame officiating. Blame the Titans for choking. Not making that delay of game call was the final factor, if they make that call its a different game, JMHO....and there was enough missed or just plain bad calls early on to add on to it..... In the last three years the quality of officiating has dropped noticeably, I would rather the game be decided ONLY by the teams, and I do not feel that is the case, and in fact I think the officiating is becoming too much of a factor in the games as time goes by... We can agree to disagree Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted January 11, 2009 Tennessee completely imploded in this game. Nonsense aside, they are going to have a long off-season looking in the mirror and realizing that they loss to a lesser team. Without Chris Johnson, the Titans are not a better team than the Ravens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted January 11, 2009 Boomer Esiason was contacted by several fans about that play that Flacco was near the back of the endzone. They showed the replay from the back of the endzone and there was clearly several inches of green grass and Flacco's back foot at all times. Cool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted January 11, 2009 although, White did fill in well.... Aside from his fumble and lack of CJ's ability to make the big play. Even at the end, when the Ravens kicked off at the last minute, wouldn't they rather have Johnson returning it than Griffin? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted January 11, 2009 Aside from his fumble and lack of CJ's ability to make the big play. Even at the end, when the Ravens kicked off at the last minute, wouldn't they rather have Johnson returning it than Griffin? Absolutely. The difference between the first half and second for the Titan's was obvious, and in fact they spent the entire third quarter trying to figure out what to do without CJ on the field. CJ was the cog that made the Titan's work, they are a good team without him, but a great team with him...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 547 Posted January 11, 2009 Ray...I thought you were a Ravens fan. Am I mistaken? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted January 11, 2009 Ray...I thought you were a Ravens fan. Am I mistaken? Yeah, I am a Raven's fan......but I still call it like I see, whether it supports my team or not.....its about what is right, not just what is right for the team I happen to like.... In this case, I think the Titan's clearly screwed themselves as I previously stated, but the officials blowing that delay of game call was just pivotal....and game changing, and ultimately unforgivable.... The game should be decided by the contestants, and every year.....more and more....the officials have a hand in the decisions of games...and I hate it.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
49ER MAN 0 Posted January 11, 2009 Yeah, I am a Raven's fan......but I still call it like I see, whether it supports my team or not.....its about what is right, not just what is right for the team I happen to like.... In this case, I think the Titan's clearly screwed themselves as I previously stated, but the officials blowing that delay of game call was just pivotal....and game changing, and ultimately unforgivable.... The game should be decided by the contestants, and every year.....more and more....the officials have a hand in the decisions of games...and I hate it.... I totally agree with you that the refs inexcusably missed the call on 3rd and 2. How on earth did they not see the play clock down to zero? That is totally unacceptable and someone should be fired for that mistake as it cost the Titans a chance to win the game. The refs helped the Ravens win but you also can't turn the ball over 3 times and expect to a win a big game like this though either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted January 11, 2009 That game was in no shape or form decided by officials. Turnovers decided this game. Don't blame officiating. Blame the Titans for choking. +1 Christ it was a missed 5 yd penalty guys; not a gamechanging event like Ed Hoculi's fockup. It would have still been 3rd and makeable yardage and there's no guarantee that Tennessee would have stopped them. 3 turnovers, Chris Johnson's injury, penalties and HUGE mental mistakes giving up those bombs to Mason cost the Titans the game. They were victims of misfortune and lack of discipline. Just like the Colts last weekend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted January 11, 2009 +1 Christ it was a missed 5 yd penalty guys; not a gamechanging event like Ed Hoculi's fockup. Hoculi's had a more certain effect on the outcome of the game. But missing a 5 yard penalty on 3rd & 2 on what proved to be the go-ahead touchdown is a big deal. And unlike many close judgement calls that officials have to make throughout a game, there is absolutely no excuse for missing such a blatant delay of game. Significant degree of impact: Check Inexcusable nature of mistake: Check That is a game-changing event. Not to mention, it was a playoff game, whereas the Hoculi game was week 2 of the regular season and, as it turned out, it ultimately did not decide either team's playoff fate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted January 11, 2009 Hoculi's had a more certain effect on the outcome of the game. But missing a 5 yard penalty on 3rd & 2 on what proved to be the go-ahead touchdown is a big deal. And unlike many close judgement calls that officials have to make throughout a game, there is absolutely no excuse for missing such a blatant delay of game.Significant degree of impact: Check Inexcusable nature of mistake: Check That is a game-changing event. Not to mention, it was a playoff game, whereas the Hoculi game was week 2 of the regular season and, as it turned out, it ultimately did not decide either team's playoff fate. Yeah and it would be 3rd and 7 and who knows what would happen. It was one or two seconds. How many times do we see one of the 'high profile' QBs get away with that? A LOT. If the Titans wouldn't have turned the ball over 3 times inside the 20 this wouldn't be an issue. IT'S THEIR FAULT THEY LOST. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan 66 Posted January 11, 2009 Without Chris Johnson, the Titans are not a better team than the Ravens. Which certainly would bear out with the second half stats, arguably. But I will submit to you that they were still good enough to get close to the endzone, only to have Crumpler fumble it away on the 8-yard line or so. They score there in any capacity, they don't lose. If Lendale protects the ball, they're close to score in the first half. Collins' interception was actually the least painful turnover, as it followed an improbably drive that started at their own half-yard line. Further, the Tennessee defense still had the opportunity to keep Baltimore away from their own end zone, instead of two quality defenders falling over themselves to ensure that Mark Clayton makes a catch at the 3 (Flacco's brilliance, I'm sure, made those defenders fall down). I guess what I'm saying is that I'm not so sure. Tennessee is a different offense, without Johnson, without a doubt. But Tennessee still outplayed them, or should have but for the boneheaded things that happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan 66 Posted January 11, 2009 Yes indeed. And there is a huge diffeence between blunder and missed judgment call. The problem is the NFL accepts this incompetence. I mean what did the NFL do to Hochuli when he admitted he focked up the Den/SD game? They put a gag order on him Until the NFL holds these guys accountable for incompetent calls, nothing will change. You really think that there was anything that they could have done to punish Hochuli more than what he put himself through? Come now, be fair. They put the gag order on him because he was destroying himself in his pennance. I agree that the officiating has been horrific this year, especially; I've seen more blown calls than ever. Some of it, I think, is because of the ever-changing rules and clarifications (late hits on the QB, for instance, which have been all over the place), but some of this makes the cynic in me wonder if the officials themselves set a lower bar before the season began in an effort to push the NFL into making them full-time. They are still better than Basketball refs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted January 11, 2009 Yeah and it would be 3rd and 7 and who knows what would happen That's the problem. The refs didnt allow us as fans to see what would have happened. That is the crime in that incompetent non call. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted January 11, 2009 You really think that there was anything that they could have done to punish Hochuli more than what he put himself through?Come now, be fair. They put the gag order on him because he was destroying himself in his pennance. I agree that the officiating has been horrific this year, especially; I've seen more blown calls than ever. Some of it, I think, is because of the ever-changing rules and clarifications (late hits on the QB, for instance, which have been all over the place), but some of this makes the cynic in me wonder if the officials themselves set a lower bar before the season began in an effort to push the NFL into making them full-time. They are still better than Basketball refs. The NFL didn't want Hochuli speaking because he was admitting a mistake. The NFL tries to put out an image that their refs are beyong reproach. I mean have you ever seen a Mike Periera segment on NFL Network? The refs can do no wrong and despite what your eyes show you, Periera will tell you why your eyes are wrong. I understand the whole the refs are human and they are going to make mistakes from time to time. I can deal with that on a bang bang judgement call. I can't deal with it when a clock runs out and no flag is thrown as it did yesterday. That is not a judgment call; that is incompetence. There is no excuse for that missed call. In the real world, people get fired for being incompetent. In the NFL nothing happens Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Next Generation 10 Posted January 11, 2009 The Titans reckless disregard for protecting the football cost them this game. Collins INT was him throwing it up-for-grabs in the middle of the field. Lendale White was carrying the ball with 1 hand and never protected it in traffic, same with Crumpler. All 3 plays killed scoring drives. These weren't great plays by the Ravens D, just sloppy boneheaded plays by the Titans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted January 11, 2009 The Titans reckless disregard for protecting the football cost them this game. Collins INT was him throwing it up-for-grabs in the middle of the field. Lendale White was carrying the ball with 1 hand and never protected it in traffic, same with Crumpler. All 3 plays killed scoring drives. These weren't great plays by the Ravens D, just sloppy boneheaded plays by the Titans. Thta's great. It still doesn't make the ref incompetence right, that's the point here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Next Generation 10 Posted January 11, 2009 Thta's great. It still doesn't make the ref incompetence right, that's the point here Agreed, refs blatently blew it there. P.S. I thought this was the Titans vs. Ravens thread, so not sure why only the refs blown call is the point here? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted January 11, 2009 Agreed, refs blatently blew it there. P.S. I thought this was the Titans vs. Ravens thread, so not sure why only the refs blown call is the point here? You are correct! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted January 11, 2009 Boys - I can't tell a lie. WHAT A GAG - shiet kept me awake in the middle of the night I was so pissed. Crumpler and Lendale must be kicking themselves. Collins interception didn't seem to be entirely his fault. I thought McCareins pulled up on the route at the very end. That injury to CJ was a killer blow also. Man how important is he to this team. You could just see there was no dynamic threat on the field once he was gone. I think Gage is becoming a great possession receiver, time to get a burner on the outside to stretch the field. This is going to leave a bad taste Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flipper 61 Posted January 11, 2009 Not that you can forgive ANY turnovers but the one by Crumpler was the worst. I think a guy "built" for the post-season knows when to take a knee and protect the ball. Hell, look at the Cardinals forcing turnovers. If anything you need to realize that the teams that should win - but cough the ball up - will lose no matter the opponent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted January 11, 2009 I think that Deirdorff had it outlined the best. The reason the Titans did not win big was 3 things: - turnovers. Turnovers that directly take points off the board are killer - Penalties. Lots of them and many of them were just stupid (you can't be offside that many times) - Chris Johnson getting hurt. The Ravens could not keep up with Johnson and not having him really stifled that offense None of those are related to that iffy delay of game call. BTW - congrats to the Ravens. That was a good game to watch, even for a fan of neither team. Definitely better than the crappy game later in the evening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
