How dumb is Josh McDaniels?

[Admiral Awesome 0]

Discuss.

[Big_Pete 0]

Overall, I really like what he's done with the Broncos. I really don't mind the Cutler trade, however, if we lose Marshall, then this is a disaster.

I like the coaches he kept and the coaches he brought in.

I like our draft

I like what he did for our Defense

I like our offense, but I think that Marshall is the focal point of our offense, even moreso than Cutler would have been.

[Cara 0]

Discuss.

 

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "how dumb is Josh McDaniels". I rather believe you to be dumb for posting something so stupid. McDaniels, whether you like him or not, ran a great offense last season. The Broncos have Marshall, Royal, Scheffler, Moreno, and they have depth behind all of these guys. I could care less if they win/lose. They WILL put up a lot of offensive points and that is all I care about. If you think Orton isn't going to be good enough, look at his early games last season. He was putting up similar numbers to Cutler and he was doing it with no offensive weapons at WR and behind a crap offensive line.

 

 

McDaniels is dumb? Dumb like an Offensive Savant.

[remote controller 136]

He has made a mess out of things anyway you slice it in Denver. It's called EGO! He'll be lucky to last the season at this rate.

[the_risen_demon 0]

McDaniels is dumb? Dumb like an Offensive Savant.

 

The league's history is littered with offensive and defensive savants who crashed and burned as head coaches. As a Lions fan, I've seen more than my share. McDaniels has not even had his first game, so I hate to judge a guy too soon, but if he can't resolve this Marshall situation he's a great candidate to be the next one.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

I'm not sure what you mean by "how dumb is Josh McDaniels". I rather believe you to be dumb for posting something so stupid. McDaniels, whether you like him or not, ran a great offense last season. The Broncos have Marshall, Royal, Scheffler, Moreno, and they have depth behind all of these guys. I could care less if they win/lose. They WILL put up a lot of offensive points and that is all I care about. If you think Orton isn't going to be good enough, look at his early games last season. He was putting up similar numbers to Cutler and he was doing it with no offensive weapons at WR and behind a crap offensive line.

 

 

McDaniels is dumb? Dumb like an Offensive Savant.

 

As someone who has watched him through this progression, I think that you are overestimating his impact on the Patriots offense. There were many times when it appeared that Josh was playing Madden 2008 with the team and not really coaching or coordinating. With him running the show, I think that he is going to have an even worse time than Mangini did, who had a worse time than Crennel. I don't think that you are going to see the necessary respect from players that McDaniels is going to need. Good luck, though.

[TheBlade 3]

If he fails to fix this Marshall issue, he's doomed. Marshall, for all the negatives that seem to come with him, is a franchise player any way you cut it. You don't just let a guy like that walk away (cut, hold-out, whatever) and survive long term.

[madd futher mucker 36]

Like most other disinterested observers, IMO he botched almost all of the off-season (other than getting Moreno). Now I fear he'll waste Moreno's talent in some kind of goofy RBBC. I think Denver will be waiting for another regime change - at least - before they get back to the glory days. If McDunce is the answer, then I don't understand the question.

[DocNiner 45]

I think it goes back to and starts with the way he handled the Cutler situation. Cutler didn't handle it too well either. Now the Cutler's gone it doesn't matter whos the Qb. What gonna matter is how the rest of the players feel abot McDaniels and he handled one of his first ecexcutive football decisions in tradinf Cutler to the Bears. Yeah Cutler's a whiny-arse but a whiny-arse that produced, certainly more than Orton. How are the players gonna feel about Josh-boy and him letting one of their top players go in pursuit of a guy who actually had really proved anything in the NFL other than doing a decent job filling in for Brady. I'll give him credit there, but If I was McDaniels I woulda kept my Pro Bowl QB in lieu of a guy that I am sure I could make into Brady II with my ego. Guess what, the whole danged scenario Josh-boy was planning on by him coming in and being the Broncos savior after Rat-bastard and bulding his own personal west coast Patriots kind just fell through the floor and I think the players see that. Are they gonna want to play for a guy like that? We'll see.

 

He did in all due credit take the best player,Moreno, when it came to the Broncos first pick If anything, THAT pick of Moreno could salvage McDaniels whole season and make people forget about Jay who? Although, if Marshall's gone I don't think Royal can step up and be a #1 guy. Neither can Engram at his age. Maybe for a little while but not all season. If Marshall misses time the weight is gonna be put on Moreno's shoulders to help keep Denver above water and winning games. Best of luck Joshie-boy but you sure gotta a lot on your plate this year. Hope you got a huge appetite.

[davidbostonisgood 2]

I think it goes back to and starts with the way he handled the Cutler situation. Cutler didn't handle it too well either. Now the Cutler's gone it doesn't matter whos the Qb. What gonna matter is how the rest of the players feel abot McDaniels and he handled one of his first ecexcutive football decisions in tradinf Cutler to the Bears. Yeah Cutler's a whiny-arse but a whiny-arse that produced, certainly more than Orton. How are the players gonna feel about Josh-boy and him letting one of their top players go in pursuit of a guy who actually had really proved anything in the NFL other than doing a decent job filling in for Brady. I'll give him credit there, but If I was McDaniels I woulda kept my Pro Bowl QB in lieu of a guy that I am sure I could make into Brady II with my ego. Guess what, the whole danged scenario Josh-boy was planning on by him coming in and being the Broncos savior after Rat-bastard and bulding his own personal west coast Patriots kind just fell through the floor and I think the players see that. Are they gonna want to play for a guy like that? We'll see.

 

He did in all due credit take the best player,Moreno, when it came to the Broncos first pick If anything, THAT pick of Moreno could salvage McDaniels whole season and make people forget about Jay who? Although, if Marshall's gone I don't think Royal can step up and be a #1 guy. Neither can Engram at his age. Maybe for a little while but not all season. If Marshall misses time the weight is gonna be put on Moreno's shoulders to help keep Denver above water and winning games. Best of luck Joshie-boy but you sure gotta a lot on your plate this year. Hope you got a huge appetite.

I don't think Josh is going to read this.

[ROCKET 0]

The best thing he could do is get rid of the head case that is Marshall now before another inevitable incident lands him suspened or in jail. I like how everyone is judge and jury before the guy has even coached a game yet. It's obvious he's gutting the team and starting over. With the roster he was handed that looks like a great idea to me. If I were him Marshall would have been the first to go. Lets wait a couple years before we judge how good of a job he has done. It's not like he took over a perrenial playoff team when he got there.

[NewbieJr 541]

I honestly can't remember a worse off-season in all my years of following football. Absolutely horrible.

[the_risen_demon 0]

I honestly can't remember a worse off-season in all my years of following football. Absolutely horrible.

 

To be fair, a lot of people said the same of Atlanta last year.

[mahoney 9]

The best thing he could do is get rid of the head case that is Marshall now before another inevitable incident lands him suspened or in jail. I like how everyone is judge and jury before the guy has even coached a game yet. It's obvious he's gutting the team and starting over. With the roster he was handed that looks like a great idea to me. If I were him Marshall would have been the first to go. Lets wait a couple years before we judge how good of a job he has done. It's not like he took over a perrenial playoff team when he got there.

 

 

 

He was handed Cutler and Marshall...now not only one but both may be gone.

That's going backwards...at least to me.

[Fantasycrazy 0]

Overall, I really like what he's done with the Broncos. I really don't mind the Cutler trade, however, if we lose Marshall, then this is a disaster.

I like the coaches he kept and the coaches he brought in.

I like our draft

I like what he did for our Defense

I like our offense, but I think that Marshall is the focal point of our offense, even moreso than Cutler would have been.

 

Only time will tell.

 

It kinda reminds me of when Bill Belicheck got his first head coaching job in Clevland. He came in evaluated everything and started making changes right from the get go, including cutting fan favorite Bernie Kosar and replacing him with Vinny Testaverde (although this happened a little later on). Bill learned that if he got another chance to be a H.C. next time he would be more patient and sit back and evaluate players and situations longer before making decisons.

 

I'm sure Josh wishes already he would have taken it a little slower.

 

But seriously, any WR not named Jerry Rice should NOT be the focal point of your offense EVERY game. Even at that, Rice had a ton of help on those offenses. And Marshall has proven to have some "issues" shall we say when he had a star QB.

 

I think they have enough other weapons on that team, Royal,scheffler,Knowshon that they can spread it around and don't have to emphasis the game plan around one player.

[madd futher mucker 36]

I don't know much about the Nuggets, but I kinda thought their problem was, um, defense?

[LordOpie 0]

I don't know much about the Nuggets, but I kinda thought their problem was, um, defense?

I love living here and have a love hate relationship with the enver Nuggets and enver Broncos

[berven 0]

Josh could go 11-3 and force some of us to eat our words with a side of crow. Right now, though, he looks to be a young coach whose career slide began earlier than any head coach's ever has--namely, before he has even coached.

 

The Cutler thing boggles the mind. As Aikman has said, it looks like McDaniels had designs on Cassel before he took the job. The greenhorn boss alienated Cutler, failing to realize that once you start feuding with a player, the player has the advantage. The coach has to remain above the fray while the aggrieved player can spout freely to any journalist who happens by. Cutler did not handle himself badly; he shrewdly realized that he could talk his way right out of Denver, and kept talking until his wish was granted. I thought Jay showed the cunning of a seasoned vet, saying inflammatory things without getting so extravagant as to make other teams leery. I'm sure his agent helped him fine-tune the act. McDaniels was totally outgunned.

 

Josh did pick a fine RB, but this was hardly the team's most glaring need. Its most conspicuous need is for a QB like the one he ran out of town. He picked a dwarf CB who will make many nostalgic for Ahmad "Hands to the Face," Carroll, a similar pick here in Packerland some years ago. Strange draft.

 

Marshall will be trouble as long as he's around. When Brandon is interviewed, he seems like a bright, well-adjusted young man, but, like too many in this world, he feels a void in his life when he's not in trouble. The fledgling coach's mettle will soon be tested again.

 

I foresee a long season for McDaniels, I don't think he's so much dumb as grandiose. He read so many clippings about how he was the Next Big Thing that he decided it must be true. Time will tell--or is already in the process of telling.

[ROCKET 0]

He was handed Cutler and Marshall...now not only one but both may be gone.

That's going backwards...at least to me.

 

How many games did that duo help Shanny win last year? He was handed a team with an absolutely horrendous defense and whose top playmaker is a headcase waiting to implode. The Cutler move can be questioned but I'll give McDaniels the benefit of the doubt til he's had some time to build the team. Personally I'm not that high on Cutler but I will concede he's better than what they have now. I think the fantasy angle clouds a lot of peoples judgements towards personel moves.

[TheBlade 3]

The best thing he could do is get rid of the head case that is Marshall now before another inevitable incident lands him suspened or in jail. I like how everyone is judge and jury before the guy has even coached a game yet. It's obvious he's gutting the team and starting over. With the roster he was handed that looks like a great idea to me. If I were him Marshall would have been the first to go. Lets wait a couple years before we judge how good of a job he has done. It's not like he took over a perrenial playoff team when he got there.

Yes, but you don't do this by jettisoning your two most consistent offensive weapons. Especially when you have MUCH greater needs on the defensive side of the ball.

 

There's nothing wrong with Marshall getting moved out of town due to his history and such, but this is not the right time to do that. And when you do, you need to have a definitive replacement in mind for somebody of Marshall's talent, 'cuz you don't find that kind of talent very often. And Royal certainly won't fit the bill. He's a very good #2 to Marshall's #1, but he won't fit the bill of a #1 all season long.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Mangina, Crennel, Weis, and now McDaniels. These Bellichick guys bring the ego and swagger, but really seem to be in over their heads when it comes to running their own show.

[madd futher mucker 36]

I question Pat Bowlen's intelligence as well.

 

It's kinda like if Steinbrenner had an expensive pitcher experiencing rotator cuff problems, so instead of bringing in an experienced specialist with a reputation for curing shoulder problems, he brings a young inexperienced brain surgeon.

 

(OK, forget the Steinbrenner analogy; he'd just go out and sign another pitcher to a huge contract and think he solved the problem.)

[ROCKET 0]

Yes, but you don't do this by jettisoning your two most consistent offensive weapons. Especially when you have MUCH greater needs on the defensive side of the ball.

 

There's nothing wrong with Marshall getting moved out of town due to his history and such, but this is not the right time to do that. And when you do, you need to have a definitive replacement in mind for somebody of Marshall's talent, 'cuz you don't find that kind of talent very often. And Royal certainly won't fit the bill. He's a very good #2 to Marshall's #1, but he won't fit the bill of a #1 all season long.

 

Ok, so who would you have traded to help you address the defense? And when would be the right time to move Marshall, after his next incident?

[Lionsjunkie 1]

I think it goes back to and starts with the way he handled the Cutler situation. Cutler didn't handle it too well either. Now the Cutler's gone it doesn't matter whos the Qb. What gonna matter is how the rest of the players feel abot McDaniels and he handled one of his first ecexcutive football decisions in tradinf Cutler to the Bears. Yeah Cutler's a whiny-arse but a whiny-arse that produced, certainly more than Orton. How are the players gonna feel about Josh-boy and him letting one of their top players go in pursuit of a guy who actually had really proved anything in the NFL other than doing a decent job filling in for Brady. I'll give him credit there, but If I was McDaniels I woulda kept my Pro Bowl QB in lieu of a guy that I am sure I could make into Brady II with my ego. Guess what, the whole danged scenario Josh-boy was planning on by him coming in and being the Broncos savior after Rat-bastard and bulding his own personal west coast Patriots kind just fell through the floor and I think the players see that. Are they gonna want to play for a guy like that? We'll see.

 

He did in all due credit take the best player,Moreno, when it came to the Broncos first pick If anything, THAT pick of Moreno could salvage McDaniels whole season and make people forget about Jay who? Although, if Marshall's gone I don't think Royal can step up and be a #1 guy. Neither can Engram at his age. Maybe for a little while but not all season. If Marshall misses time the weight is gonna be put on Moreno's shoulders to help keep Denver above water and winning games. Best of luck Joshie-boy but you sure gotta a lot on your plate this year. Hope you got a huge appetite.

 

I don't think Josh is going to read this.

 

I wish I'd never read that...felt like it was chinese or summthin

[TheBlade 3]

Ok, so who would you have traded to help you address the defense? And when would be the right time to move Marshall, after his next incident?

First, I'd do anything I could to address the defense issue. I'd move Cutler or Marshall in that situation if I got the right offer, however McDaniels didn't do that. He basically turned his back on Cutler from day 1 and then had no choice but to move him someplace in order to save face. That had him dealing from a position of weakness, not strength or equal footing. He'll lose that battle every time, just like he did this one.

 

As for Marshall, you don't know that he's going to have another issue. I agree that it's a legitimate possibility, but try working with the guy behind the scenes to keep his life in order. If he does this and Marshall focks up again, then he comes across looking like the good guy who went above and beyond to help out one of his players. His status would rise in the players' eyes, as well as the public's eyes, regardless of what he had to do to Marshall at that point. You move Marshall when it's most advantageous to the team, and now ain't the time.

 

He should have come in and addressed the glaring defensive issues. After he makes strides in that area and gets through his first season, then he could look at other pending issues such as Marshall. That gives him time to gameplan how to handle those situations, including looking for a legitimate replacement for Marshall so that the offense doesn't lose too much when he's gone.

[Gepetto 1,006]

Mangina, Crennel, Weis, and now McDaniels. These Bellichick guys bring the ego and swagger, but really seem to be in over their heads when it comes to running their own show.

 

They need better covert cameramen is all.

[shovelheadt 62]

I like our offense, but I think that Marshall is the focal point of our offense, even moreso than Cutler would have been.

 

And you're happy with this why? That dude is a train wreck with a multiple game suspension waiting to happen.

[shovelheadt 62]

Mangina, Crennel, Weis, and now McDaniels. These Bellichick guys bring the ego and swagger, but really seem to be in over their heads when it comes to running their own show.

 

I leave Crennel out of this. He never struck me as an ass. If not with the Browns, I would have wished him well. But I agree with your point.

[edjr 5,715]

It's nice to see a coach step up and do the right thing with career idiots such as Marshall. I don't care how good he is.

 

Would be nice if every other team would follow suit.

[dhockster 0]

I love living here and have a love hate relationship with the enver Nuggets and enver Broncos

Are you saying that there is no D in Denver?

[Joey Gladstone 33]

I leave Crennel out of this. He never struck me as an ass. If not with the Browns, I would have wished him well. But I agree with your point.

 

True, he's always struck me as pretty humble. I just listed him because he has proven to be a bad head coach. The other 3 (Mangina in particular) are model d-bags.

[DankNuggs 305]

While Belicheck protege's have gotten nothing but EXPOSED when taking career leaps... McDaniels was going to live or die by the defensive progress he makes with the franchise... He is still in the easiest conference in the AFC...

 

Now he has put himself in a situation where he can only lose... (if orton flourishes, people wonder what cutler could have done...etc..etc)

 

They need to make defensive progress, and win... Cutler or not, if the defense doesn't improve, he is no better than Shanny...

 

Personally, I think Orton has the makings of a great QB if properly trained and in the right system... Just because he failed in Chi, doesn't mean anything to me...

 

 

Let him install the offense and go from there...

[wiffleball 4,679]

Ok, so who would you have traded to help you address the defense? And when would be the right time to move Marshall, after his next incident?

 

Addressing many people: A trade wasn't necessary. Blade's right about the defense needing to be a priority. Pete's wrong about the draft.

 

 

 

McDaniels even admitted that he got rattled trying to do a deal with Moreno, but since it was on the radio I don't have a link. So - skipping that. How the FOCK given that McD had already brought in FA RB's, and you have one of the WORST D's in the league, do you pick up Moreno at 13 and Miss Orakpro (who went 14)?

 

If McD wanted Moreno, nobody was going to touch him before 18. He easily could have have Orakpro AND Moreno. HUGE choke. Does anybody honestly think Ayers is better than Arakpro?

 

Then he picks up a woefully undersized corner in Alphonso Smith (who will be lucky to make special teams) and completely MISS a possible nose tackle (Boston College's Ron Brace) and inside linebacker (USC ballhawk Rey Maualuga). Both Brace and Maualuga were gone in three picks.

 

Of all the needs they have at D, they pick up one single lineman. Incredible.

 

But hey - Nine RB's just in case they have another year like last year!

28 Buckhalter, Correll RB ACT 6'0" 217 10/6/1978 9 Nebraska

23 Hall, Andre RB ACT 5'10" 212 8/20/1982 3 South Florida

22 Hillis, Peyton RB ACT 6'2" 250 1/21/1986 2 Arkansas

32 Jordan, LaMont RB ACT 5'10" 230 11/11/1978 9 Maryland

38 Moore, Kestahn RB ACT 5'10" 207 4/13/1987 0 Florida

27 Moreno, Knowshon RB UDF 5'11" 217 7/16/1987 0 Georgia

42 Torain, Ryan RB ACT 6'1" 225 8/10/1986 2 Arizona State

43 Walker, Darius RB ACT 5'11" 205 10/21/1985 2 Notre Dame

35 Young, Selvin RB ACT 5'11" 215 10/1/1983 3 Texas

 

Definitely RB was the number one priority on this roster.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Addressing many people: A trade wasn't necessary. Blade's right about the defense needing to be a priority. Pete's wrong about the draft.

McDaniels even admitted that he got rattled trying to do a deal with Moreno, but since it was on the radio I don't have a link. So - skipping that. How the FOCK given that McD had already brought in FA RB's, and you have one of the WORST D's in the league, do you pick up Moreno at 13 and Miss Orakpro (who went 14)?

 

If McD wanted Moreno, nobody was going to touch him before 18. He easily could have have Orakpro AND Moreno. HUGE choke. Does anybody honestly think Ayers is better than Arakpro?

 

Then he picks up a woefully undersized corner in Alphonso Smith (who will be lucky to make special teams) and completely MISS a possible nose tackle (Boston College's Ron Brace) and inside linebacker (USC ballhawk Rey Maualuga). Both Brace and Maualuga were gone in three picks.

 

Of all the needs they have at D, they pick up one single lineman. Incredible.

 

But hey - Nine RB's just in case they have another year like last year!

28 Buckhalter, Correll RB ACT 6'0" 217 10/6/1978 9 Nebraska

23 Hall, Andre RB ACT 5'10" 212 8/20/1982 3 South Florida

22 Hillis, Peyton RB ACT 6'2" 250 1/21/1986 2 Arkansas

32 Jordan, LaMont RB ACT 5'10" 230 11/11/1978 9 Maryland

38 Moore, Kestahn RB ACT 5'10" 207 4/13/1987 0 Florida

27 Moreno, Knowshon RB UDF 5'11" 217 7/16/1987 0 Georgia

42 Torain, Ryan RB ACT 6'1" 225 8/10/1986 2 Arizona State

43 Walker, Darius RB ACT 5'11" 205 10/21/1985 2 Notre Dame

35 Young, Selvin RB ACT 5'11" 215 10/1/1983 3 Texas

 

Definitely RB was the number one priority on this roster.

 

I'm happy with the way he handled the draft!!

 

This guy is in way over his head. How come Shannahan always looks like solid gold whenever he gets fired?

[RLLD 3,539]

If he manages to pull off a winning record, or even <gasp> make the playoffs, then he will be heralded as a genius.

 

If the team does not at least make .500, he will be castigated. By losing Cutler, and then also perhaps Marshall, his main issue is that he is slowing minimizing any tolerance for later failure.

 

For all we know, the guy is brilliant and makes some magic...

[Road_Cats 1]

If he manages to pull off a winning record, or even <gasp> make the playoffs, then he will be heralded as a genius.

 

If the team does not at least make .500, he will be castigated. By losing Cutler, and then also perhaps Marshall, his main issue is that he is slowing minimizing any tolerance for later failure.

 

For all we know, the guy is brilliant and makes some magic...

 

Broncos will win 6 games or less

They are the worse team in the division

Orton does suck

No Defense , they can't tackle or shed a block.

He has done nothing but come in and make a mess of things. Its going to get alot worse before it gets better.

On the bright side They will have a good draft pick next year and prolly waste it on a potential franchise QB like the one they gave away this season.

[LordOpie 0]

Broncos will win 6 games or less

They are the worse team in the division

Orton does suck

No Defense , they can't tackle or shed a block.

He has done nothing but come in and make a mess of things. Its going to get alot worse before it gets better.

On the bright side They will have a good draft pick next year and prolly waste it on a potential franchise QB like the one they gave away this season.

I'm guessing that you don't follow the Broncos closely?

 

Our DEF will still suck, but we will have at least twice as many turnovers (not that hard to do from a near history league worst of 13). Orton is a pretty darn good system QB... assuming he can learn the system well enough. We don't have any Devin Hester's here, so his weak arm won't be a huge issue. And lastly, we traded our number one pick next year, hence my "follow" comment.

 

 

EDIT: i forgot my point... we'll have six wins, but under Shanny, we would've had four. McDaniels will most definitely get another year or two to succeed.

[NewbieJr 541]

While Belicheck protege's have gotten nothing but EXPOSED when taking career leaps...

Don't be surprised to see more or the same from McDaniel and Cassel this year. I think people underestimate the role that cheating plays in an organizations success.

[Dan 59]

Are you saying that there is no D in Denver?

 

Freudian slip . . .

[Bishop82 61]

Very