KSB2424 3,173 Posted August 17, 2009 So who was the greatest? This is the modern era of fantasy, 1995 to Present. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted August 17, 2009 Tough question. Smith and Sanders deserve consideration, but they were before I was into FF, so I didn't witness firstahand their domination. Faulk had a nice run where he put up some gawdy stats. He's in the discussion for sure. Holmes was dominant, but only for a brief stretch. Ultimately, I went with LT. The guy is starting to tail off, but for 7-8 years, he has been a FF cornerstone. He arguably had the greatest FF season a few years ago, and singlehandedly brought championships to millions of owners. LT gets my vote for longevity and consistency. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,928 Posted August 17, 2009 it depends on league scoring but I think its pretty safe to say LT's 2006 season was the best single season FF performance. The guy scored 31 total TD's... and when has he failed to be a top 10 fantasy RB? his rookie season maybe? im not looking it up but I would venture to guess that more often than not he has been a top 5 PPR back. while many of these names have had some nice stretches, the only one who comes close imo is Marshall for his seasons like 2000 and 2001 with the Rams when he was catching 80+ balls to go along with 20+ total TD's in those years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,173 Posted August 17, 2009 I voted Faulk. LT2 is prolly the choice, but Faulk was the man for several years. He was the first dynamite guy and has a special place in my heart. I think Kurt Warner may have single handidly brought more FF championships however. The team owner who picked him up the first year he blew up won it all 9 times out 10 leagues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted August 17, 2009 Tough call between tommy maddox and stephen davis... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 316 Posted August 17, 2009 Emmitt Smith Brett Favre Marshall Faulk Priest Holmes Ladanian Tomlinson that would be the list to start from if we go back to the early 90s. and starting with Faulk thru LT... they have been the Kings of fantasy production. offensive records were set under these guys, statistical production that has never before been seen. So, there really isn't much room for debate. Fantasy football is numbers/stats and these three put up the best numbers. When we say Greatest of All-Time are we talking single season? because that's LT's 2323yards, 31TDs in 2006 (418 fantasy points) or are we saying high productivity for a number of seasons? lets compare Faulk/Priest/LT: Faulk: 1998 2227, 10TD (282 fantasy points) 1999 2429, 12TD (314 fantasy points) 2000 2189, 26TD (374 fantrasy points) 2001 2147, 21TD (340 fantasy points) 4 year average: 327.5 fantasy points best 3 years average: 342.6 Priest: 2001 2169, 10 (276 fantasy points) 2002 2287 24 (368 fp) 2003 2110 27 (373 fp) 2004 1079 15 (197 fp) 4 year average: (303.3 fp) best 3 years average: (339 fp) LT: 2002 2172 15 2003 2370 17 (339fp) 2004 1776 18 (285fp) 2005 1832 20 (303 fp) 2006 2323 31 (418 fp) 2007 1949 18 (302 fp) 5 year average (329.4 fp) best 4 years average (340.5 fp) best 3 years average (353.3 fp) So, after looking at the numbers, it becomes clear that LT is the true king of fantasy football. He has 5 elite seasons to choose from to go along with the single greatest fantasy season (RB). His top 3 and 4 season averages are above both Priest and Faulk. I'm not a big LT fan. But there is no questioning his numbers and statistical dominance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TK0001 99 Posted August 17, 2009 Emmitt SmithBrett Favre Marshall Faulk Priest Holmes Ladanian Tomlinson that would be the list to start from if we go back to the early 90s. and starting with Faulk thru LT... they have been the Kings of fantasy production. offensive records were set under these guys, statistical production that has never before been seen. So, there really isn't much room for debate. Fantasy football is numbers/stats and these three put up the best numbers. When we say Greatest of All-Time are we talking single season? because that's LT's 2323yards, 31TDs in 2006 (418 fantasy points) or are we saying high productivity for a number of seasons? lets compare Faulk/Priest/LT: Faulk: 1998 2227, 10TD (282 fantasy points) 1999 2429, 12TD (314 fantasy points) 2000 2189, 26TD (374 fantrasy points) 2001 2147, 21TD (340 fantasy points) 4 year average: 327.5 fantasy points best 3 years average: 342.6 Priest: 2001 2169, 10 (276 fantasy points) 2002 2287 24 (368 fp) 2003 2110 27 (373 fp) 2004 1079 15 (197 fp) 4 year average: (303.3 fp) best 3 years average: (339 fp) LT: 2002 2172 15 2003 2370 17 (339fp) 2004 1776 18 (285fp) 2005 1832 20 (303 fp) 2006 2323 31 (418 fp) 2007 1949 18 (302 fp) 5 year average (329.4 fp) best 4 years average (340.5 fp) best 3 years average (353.3 fp) So, after looking at the numbers, it becomes clear that LT is the true king of fantasy football. He has 5 elite seasons to choose from to go along with the single greatest fantasy season (RB). His top 3 and 4 season averages are above both Priest and Faulk. I'm not a big LT fan. But there is no questioning his numbers and statistical dominance. Solid analysis.......so how does Favre rank ahead of all these guys? Was he really that dominant, considering all the INT's? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 316 Posted August 17, 2009 Solid analysis.......so how does Favre rank ahead of all these guys? Was he really that dominant, considering all the INT's? I didn't intend to rank Favre or Emmitt ahead of anyone. Just saying they'd be considered and they were first on the list because of chronology. I just remember Favre and Emmitt being dominant in the 90s. Favre: 38, 39, 35, 31 TDs with (about) 4000 yards each year 95, 95, 97, 98 that's 4 straight years of 4000 30+. pretty impressive. not sure how it stacks up. now we're getting into QBs vs. RBs. IMO, RBs are still and always will be the backbones of fantasy teams. RBs are the most valuable position. RBs still dominant the first round in drafts. for this reason I did not bring up Brady/Moss in the 2007 season. Sure, statistically dominant, but it's a QB and WR.... they can't compete with a RB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,898 Posted August 17, 2009 Before my league changed to decimal scoring Marshall Faulk for my league's scoring. There is a bonus for a RB that catches for more than 50 yards and or a receiving td if you add in QB's to the conversation, it very well could be fav-ruh or manning Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 316 Posted August 17, 2009 Before my league changed to decimal scoring Marshall Faulk for my league's scoring. There is a bonus for a RB that catches for more than 50 yards and or a receiving td I think that for this debate, you can't include all the unique rules that leagues have. you have to assume standard, non-ppr scoring: 1pt/10yards, 6/td. keep it simple/basic. we'll have some clown arguing that his league rewards triple points for out-of-position scoring and Colston (TE) and Reggie Bush are the greatest fantasy players ever. oh and don't forget the 1,000 point day David PatterN had a few years ago either! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longlurker 0 Posted August 17, 2009 Never had the stats that Faulk, Preist or LT2 had but for a couple of seasons Terrell Davis was awesome! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,898 Posted August 17, 2009 What about CPepp? Here is my league scoring leaders for QB and RB since 2000 2000 Culpepper, Daunte 418.8 James, Edgerrin 354.8 2001 Garcia, Jeff 361.4 Green, Ahman 268.8 2002 Culpepper, Daunte 357.3 Williams, Ricky 324.2 2003 Culpepper, Daunte 399.1 Tomlinson, LaDainian 394.2 2004 Culpepper, Daunte 434.4 Alexander, Shaun 317.6 2005 Palmer, Carson 393.2 Alexander, Shaun 389.7 2006 Tomlinson, LaDainian 485.4 Manning, Peyton 407.0 2007 Brady, Tom QB 572.3 Tomlinson, LaDainian 349.6 2008 Brees, Drew 428.6 Williams, DeAngelo 332.8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FantasyKing 4 Posted August 17, 2009 If you were talking single season you cant leave out Terrell Davis..2000 yard season and 21 TDs, and 200 plus receiving and 2 more TDs. He was an absolute fantasy beast, but unfortunately similar to Priest Holmes, it was only about 3 years. LT is definitely the greatest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeaLerZ 0 Posted August 17, 2009 gotta go with LT here.. the guy has consistently been at the top his whole career Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtywhiteboy01 0 Posted August 17, 2009 Don't know about Greatest of all time but there was a 4 year period in the 90's where Terrell Davis was the greatest at that time. I rode his back to several FF Super Bowls. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,928 Posted August 17, 2009 I think that for this debate, you can't include all the unique rules that leagues have.you have to assume standard, non-ppr scoring: 1pt/10yards, 6/td. keep it simple/basic. we'll have some clown arguing that his league rewards triple points for out-of-position scoring and Colston (TE) and Reggie Bush are the greatest fantasy players ever. oh and don't forget the 1,000 point day David PatterN had a few years ago either! i think PPR is becoming standard enough these days that it can be a part of the debate at least. but I agree we can't include yardage bonuses or out of position scoring bonuses and stuff like that. Its not standard enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Next Generation 11 Posted August 17, 2009 Don't forget Jerry Rice and Randall Cunningham, either. Yes, they are both in the conversation. I voted Marshall Faulk, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,952 Posted August 17, 2009 I say Faulk. But LT has to be right there too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted August 17, 2009 Marshall Faulk in 2002 or 2003? i forget which year... I got to watch the season from atop his shoulders... it was a fun year... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9-Route 0 Posted August 17, 2009 i voted faulk. lot of guys deserve consideration, including culpepper [agree he should be on the list] and rice for power and longevity. there are a lot of ultra-explosive/destructive forces in fantasy [moss, barry, westbrook], and to me it is about longevity versus crowns. tomlinson has given a nice 6-7 yr track record, but i say u only really assured 1 crown during his tenure: aside from his career yr, alexander and LJ were producing similar stats during the tenure, along with flashes from ahman green [career 1800-20] and ricky williams [career 1800-17], so the "other owner" had the same nuclear bomb u did. priest holmes also had a powerful 2 yr crown level, but i give him 3yrs because his system was so awesome, that 3rd season when he posted 900/14, it was lights out for that half a yr, and owning the backup finished off the rest of the season. it also merged and gave birth to LJ back-to-back monster yrs [so the kc run game has a 5 yr crown stretch]. if the choice had been "rams qb position", then id vote with this---the stretch from '99-01 was sick, in yds and TDs, whether it was warner or trent green. faulk was a machine, pure and simple. the back-to-back 20+TD seasons is just his start: the 5 straight yrs of 700+rec yds, including 2 times approaching 1000 and 1 time hitting it, the 5 straight seasons of 80+recs [how many wideouts can boast that feat??!!], and most importantly, the timely explosive game when u needed it. no one was doing it like faulk during his stretch [tdavis was out by then; edge had started, was awesome, but not at that ultra-elite level]. i gave it to him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gladiators 2,032 Posted August 17, 2009 I owned Faulk and he was the reason our 1 player keeper league created a rule against keeping a guy for more than 3 seasons... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9-Route 0 Posted August 17, 2009 I owned Faulk and he was the reason our 1 player keeper league created a rule against keeping a guy for more than 3 seasons... that says it all----there has to be a rule made cause the player is making it unfair. [just like in madden from 1999-2004 where my crew had a "anti-moss rule" cause it was unfair to keep bombing it to him.....] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarvis Basnight 119 Posted August 17, 2009 it depends on league scoring but I think its pretty safe to say LT's 2006 season was the best single season FF performance. The guy scored 31 total TD's... and when has he failed to be a top 10 fantasy RB? his rookie season maybe? In my league, thrown TD's count so he actually had 33 TD's in 2006. He made me some cash that year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0 Posted August 17, 2009 I voted for Faulk. Too good for too long. Don't forget the Indy years. If it was single season I might give it to Brady 2 years ago. He was so far ahead of everybody QBs and RBs that year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted August 17, 2009 Faulk, Favre, Moss and LT have to be in the discussion....Favre has just done it for so many years but QB has that unfair advantage. So Id give it to Faulk for the reasons others ahve mentioned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dice_Dominator 0 Posted August 17, 2009 Emmitt Smith Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cuse9 131 Posted August 17, 2009 Best fantay QB ever: Peyton Manning......2nd Minnesota QB's Jeff George, Randall Cunningham, Daunte Culpepper Best fantasy RB ever: Marshall Faulk.....2nd Ladainian Tomlinson Best fantasy WR ever: Randy Moss.....2nd Marvin Harrison Best Fantasy TE ever: Tony Gonzalez.....2nd Wesley Walls Best Fantasy K ever: Jason Elam.....2nd John Kasay Best Fantasy D ever: Chicago Bears.....2nd Baltimore Ravens Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
berven 0 Posted August 17, 2009 My first year of playing FF, I had the #1 pick in the draft. Novice that I was, I passed on Faulk to take Warner. I then watched, aghast, as Faulk piled up stupifying point totals. There were several weeks in which Faulk alone outscored an opponent's entire FF team. I voted for Faulk, in part because he taught me a lesson I shan't forget. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,096 Posted August 18, 2009 Faulk you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 7,085 Posted August 18, 2009 I voted Faulk but I'm biased. My first year in FF: got a call from a good friend, he was in a fantasy league with other people I knew from our company, it was two days before the draft and an owner backed out, was I interested? This was a keeper league, and as I dug into this new hobby, I found that only Dorsey Levens and Mark Brunell were worth keeping. So we have our draft and afterwards, that same friend liked Levens and traded me that guy who was moving from Indy to STL... he hasn't traded with me again since that day. As a bonus, in the actual draft I took as my #2 QB the guy who was slated to throw to Carter and Moss. I figured that since they were rated so high, the QB throwing to them must be an OK play? Enter Culp. I still use that strategery by the way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justforbeer 41 Posted August 18, 2009 Hey Jerryskids Does that mean you are taking ORTON #2? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rozniarek 0 Posted August 18, 2009 Ive won 4 titles with Warner and had him on my team 5 times.i think Shawn Alexander should of got some love. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites