Seahawks fans

[Joey Gladstone 33]

No pass rush, no pass defense.

 

Lack of pass rush will be the team's downfall, as it has played a huge role the past two seasons. Norton was raving about Dexter Davis the other day, it would be nice if somebody like him came out of nowhere. Curry pulling his head out of his ass would help too.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

How are Trufant and Josh Wilson looking great? They are getting beat every fking pass play and every 3rd down. Two games now and the the first team O's are passing at will against our horrid corners and secondary. Our rookie safety Thomas looks like our best Defense back already to me. (Our Def as a whole is horid everywhere)

 

It hasn't been Tru and Wilson's fault. With everything around them, you could only expect the Nnamdi's and Revis' of the world not to look bad.

 

The front 7 as a whole should look better with Tatupu healthy and playing.

[WhiteWonder 2,685]

i hope Okung heals fast

[nobody 2,581]

Whitehurst competes with Hasselbeck for the starting job next year in training camp, but more likely we cut Hasselbeck in the off season so he can latch on somewhere else.

 

 

You won't even have to cut him will you? Isn't he a free agent next year?

[WhiteWonder 2,685]

Flahawker,

 

if you can put the petty BS aside for a moment, ive linked an article that sort of goes along with my feelings on Carroll as they relate the the media. The author is actually a Carroll supporter but the first part of the story exhibits what I was talking about.

 

Clark Judge on Carroll

 

i realize you have twisted my words in an effort to make me look bad or something but just for clarification, i will repeat.

 

If the Seahawks get off to a rocky start, I fear the media will have a field day with Carroll. They are likely to point out that he was a bit overmatched in his past pro stints and he left a very cushy job at USC right before scandal hit. They are also likely to be extra harsh on him due to the recent examples of high profile college coaches failing at the NFL level and leaving with their tails between their legs. Hopefully this doesn't result in Carroll not receiving the proper amount of time needed to turn around a situation such as Seattle's.

 

One thing I found funny in this article is near the end where carrol says the following:

"I've never gone for safe and secure," said Carroll. "That's not my way. USC was awesome, but this is a different challenge.

I can't imagine a situation more safe and secure than his job at USC

[Hawkfin 32]

Seriously, watch the games. Tru and Wilson have looked fine. Kelly Jennings, on the other hand, is getting beat like a drum.

 

Ah, I guess you know and see it all for us Hawks now? Ya, I just watch them lose for the fun of it and I need to go rewatch that sick display of def again to see you're point maybe.

 

I've seen All the corners get beat as each of them take turns getting beat depending on how the other teams want to do it. You can blame just the pass rush (with good reason) all you want, but it aint all there fault by any means.

You can't get a pass rush with a quick 3 step drop and pass - And they light up all our corners with that most every time. On 3rd downs when we KNOW they have to pass and it's 3rd and long. Not even close. Wide open. Doesn't matter so far who's back there between these 3.

And sometimes we do get a pass rush - Don't matter. Corners beat.

 

Tru gets beat like a drum every year and if he's not being beat he's interefering for a huge loss. Wilson is a #3 corner at best.

 

If you can't stop the pass EVER then you might want to think about your Def Backfield too! (I'm happy for the new Safety at least, He could help)

 

Tenn of all teams lit them up through the air too. First team o's have scored at will and everytime against our first D.

 

I agree about Thurmond. I could see him being a starter VERY SOON. I'm hopefull for that anyway. I do like that kid.

 

It is only preason - But I still don't see how anybody could say they "look great". Do we know what great is?

We would stop somebody sometime if they were great.

[FlaHawker 24]

Ah, I guess you know and see it all for us Hawks now? Ya, I just watch them lose for the fun of it and I need to go rewatch that sick display of def again to see you're point maybe.

 

I've seen All the corners get beat as each of them take turns getting beat depending on how the other teams want to do it. You can blame just the pass rush (with good reason) all you want, but it aint all there fault by any means.

You can't get a pass rush with a quick 3 step drop and pass - And they light up all our corners with that most every time. On 3rd downs when we KNOW they have to pass and it's 3rd and long. Not even close. Wide open. Doesn't matter so far who's back there between these 3.

And sometimes we do get a pass rush - Don't matter. Corners beat.

 

Tru gets beat like a drum every year and if he's not being beat he's interefering for a huge loss. Wilson is a #3 corner at best.

 

If you can't stop the pass EVER then you might want to think about your Def Backfield too! (I'm happy for the new Safety at least, He could help)

 

Tenn of all teams lit them up through the air too. First team o's have scored at will and everytime against our first D.

 

I agree about Thurmond. I could see him being a starter VERY SOON. I'm hopefull for that anyway. I do like that kid.

 

It is only preason - But I still don't see how anybody could say they "look great". Do we know what great is?

We would stop somebody sometime if they were great.

Seahawks cornerback Marcus Trufant playing like his old self

ERIC D. WILLIAMS; Staff writer

 

 

RENTON - A year ago, Seattle Seahawks cornerback Marcus Trufant toiled in the shadows, working out in the team's weight room behind a wall of glass while his teammates prepared for the beginning of the regular season out on the practice field.

 

Dealing with the uncertainty of a balky back that sidelined him for the first six weeks of the season, Trufant eventually returned to action but did not have his trademark explosiveness or play-making ability. The result was a lot of bumping and tugging on jerseys to keep guys close, leading to a team-high eight defensive penalties in just 10 games and a forgettable season for the one-time Pro Bowl player.

 

Fast forward to this season, and Trufant, who will turn 30 on Christmas day, has looked like his former self on the field, moving fluidly and playing physical, man-to-man defense on the perimeter.

 

“I’m feeling good, man,” he said after practice. “I haven’t felt this good in a while. And it’s good to be out here with the guys during training camp, out here grinding it out. I missed it last year. So I feel good. I think we’re heading in the right direction as a team, and that’s what it’s about now.

 

“It makes a big difference for me being out here. I’ve always been one of those guys where I need to come out and do things, come out and work with the guys. I need to see stuff on the field. So I think that’s going to be good for me. And I think I’m up to speed now. I kind of felt like last year I was playing catch-up.”

 

One person taking notice is secondary coach Jerry Gray. During his time coaching with the Washington Redskins, Gray got an up-close look at how a healthy Trufant could change an outcome of a game. Trufant returned an interception 78 yards for a touchdown in a 35-14 playoff win over Washington in the 2007 season. Gray expects Trufant to get back to that level of play, which should rub off on the rest of the defensive backfield.

 

“It’s very important because you need a top corner,” Gray said. “You need a guy that’s going to say, ‘Hey look, I’m going to be here. I’m going to be the rock of the defense. I’m going to be out here competing against your top receivers.’

 

“And once you get that, I think you again establish yourself as being one of the top guys in the league. And then the other corner has to step up, because if they can throw at both corners, you’re in trouble. Now if they can’t throw at both corners and the other corner steps up, that’s how you get good in the NFL.”

 

Along with being healthy, another thing that should help Trufant’s production this season is the team’s switch to more bump-and-run coverage on the perimeter and the added protection of rangy rookie safety Earl Thomas at the back end of the defense.

 

“You get to move around, and you get to kind of get in guys’ faces,” Trufant said about the new scheme. “And it’s all about competing. Any time they give a chance to get close to receivers to compete, it’s going to be good for us.”

 

Gray said after reviewing last week’s game film that not a single pass went Trufant’s way against Tennessee in his 19 plays on the field.

 

Trufant’s hoping that the close coverage will result in more interceptions. Since his 2007 Pro Bowl season, Trufant has just three picks in the past two years.

 

Trufant and Seattle’s new scheme will get a stiff test on Saturday at home against Green Bay in the Seahawks’ second preseason game.

 

The Packers have one of the best passing attacks in the league. Last week against Cleveland, Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers finished 12-for-13 for 159 yards and a touchdown in just one quarter of work.

 

“This week is going to be a really big challenge for us,” Gray said. “They’ve got great receivers and a really good quarterback. And they’ve got a really good passing game. So this will be really good for us this week.”

 

 

 

Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2010/08/21/v-print/1342690/trufant-back-to-his-old-self.html#ixzz0xZK1erAf

[FlaHawker 24]

Flahawker,

 

if you can put the petty BS aside for a moment, ive linked an article that sort of goes along with my feelings on Carroll as they relate the the media. The author is actually a Carroll supporter but the first part of the story exhibits what I was talking about.

 

Clark Judge on Carroll

 

i realize you have twisted my words in an effort to make me look bad or something but just for clarification, i will repeat.

 

If the Seahawks get off to a rocky start, I fear the media will have a field day with Carroll. They are likely to point out that he was a bit overmatched in his past pro stints and he left a very cushy job at USC right before scandal hit. They are also likely to be extra harsh on him due to the recent examples of high profile college coaches failing at the NFL level and leaving with their tails between their legs. Hopefully this doesn't result in Carroll not receiving the proper amount of time needed to turn around a situation such as Seattle's.

 

One thing I found funny in this article is near the end where carrol says the following:

 

I can't imagine a situation more safe and secure than his job at USC

So Judge points out three college coaches who, by the way, have nothing in common with Carroll's NFL experience, failed miserably in the NFL and to you that is a guarentee that Carroll is doomed? Three coaches? That is some solid sample size.

 

The Seahawks are expected to have a rocky season. The roster is practically bankrupt thanks to Ruskell. Do you think the media views this team as a SB contender and are licking their chops hoping Carroll fails this year so they can run him out of town? C'mon, your point is just as misguided now as it was when you made it, and I did not twist your words. You back yourself into a corner with flawed logic and then claim everyone twists your words.

 

Carroll has a minimum of three years before the heat gets turned up. And should he get canned at some point in the next five years, it will NOT be due to media pressure.

[WhiteWonder 2,685]

So Judge points out three college coaches who, by the way, have nothing in common with Carroll's NFL experience, failed miserably in the NFL and to you that is a guarentee that Carroll is doomed? Three coaches? That is some solid sample size.

 

The Seahawks are expected to have a rocky season. The roster is practically bankrupt thanks to Ruskell. Do you think the media views this team as a SB contender and are licking their chops hoping Carroll fails this year so they can run him out of town? C'mon, your point is just as misguided now as it was when you made it, and I did not twist your words. You back yourself into a corner with flawed logic and then claim everyone twists your words.

 

Carroll has a minimum of three years before the heat gets turned up. And should he get canned at some point in the next five years, it will NOT be due to media pressure.

 

to use a classic flahawker line..

 

link to where I guaranteed Carroll was doomed?

 

not shocked you couldn't leave the petty stuff behind and have a legit conversation.

 

you twist my words because i never once said Carroll would fail DUE to media pressure. Maybe thats how you took it but thats just silly. Media pressure is only going to come if he struggles first. I said the media would be all over him if the Hawks started off poorly.

 

i sincerely hope Carroll gets 3 years. Thats what he will need, at least. But this is the NFL bro. Coaches don't always get a fair shake unless they are long tenured.

[FlaHawker 24]

to use a classic flahawker line..

 

link to where I guaranteed Carroll was doomed?

 

not shocked you couldn't leave the petty stuff behind and have a legit conversation.

 

you twist my words because i never once said Carroll would fail DUE to media pressure. Maybe thats how you took it but thats just silly. Media pressure is only going to come if he struggles first. I said the media would be all over him if the Hawks started off poorly.

 

i sincerely hope Carroll gets 3 years. Thats what he will need, at least. But this is the NFL bro. Coaches don't always get a fair shake unless they are long tenured.

Petty stuff? You mean like calling you out for your lack of logic? Kinda hard when you keep pushing an argument that makes no sense. That's on you. You absolutely said Carroll would fail due to media pressure, and like you did in the Stewart vs DeAngelo thread, you slightly change your position and wording to fit the post. Everyone under the sun knows the Hawks will struggle this year, heck probably even next year as well. Paul Allen has been a model of stability as an owner. Last year was an exception in his reign as Seahawk owner not the rule. Carroll won't be dumped this year or next because the media starts turning on him if the Hawks are not winning. Kinda hard to kill a guy when he is playing with a shite hand. The man needs at least three years to really start to turn this around and get his guys in the program. After that, then there will be pressure to win. Go back and look at Holmgren's tenure. Holmgren was under the gun a bit between 2002-2004. He even almsot walked away until Allen fired Whitsitt. Then 2005 happened and Holmgren was king again. He only walked away from the Hawks because of Ruskell.

 

So let's get the facts straight. Pete Carroll will probably struggle with this team for the next 2 maybe 3 years. The media will turn on him, like they do every coach, if the Hawks do not win. However, media pressure will have nothing to do with Carroll succeeding or failing. So basically, you have no argument and I have spent way too many words on this topic. OUT!

[Joey Gladstone 33]

WTF?!? Wilson for a 5th round pick?

[FlaHawker 24]

WTF?!? Wilson for a 5th round pick?

On the surface it makes no sense. However, he doesn't fit the Carroll profile for corners and Walter Thurmond has come along much faster than expected. So....

[jgcrawfish 232]

So basically, unless you agree completely with my point of view, you have no authority to post in this thread and we all have spent way too many words on this topic. OUT!

 

 

couldn't agree more

 

 

[FlaHawker 24]

couldn't agree more

who cares about you

[jgcrawfish 232]

who cares about you

 

 

 

 

[SUXBNME 1,458]

On the surface it makes no sense. However, he doesn't fit the Carroll profile for corners and Walter Thurmond has come along much faster than expected. So....

Phillybear told me earlier tonight that he is jumping ship to become a 49ers fan

 

Then again, he was pretty drunk

[Joey Gladstone 33]

On the surface it makes no sense. However, he doesn't fit the Carroll profile for corners and Walter Thurmond has come along much faster than expected. So....

 

The Ravens are going to love Wilson.

[FlaHawker 24]

Phillybear told me earlier tonight that he is jumping ship to become a 49ers fan

 

Then again, he was pretty drunk

NEVER!

[Kopy 559]

On the surface it makes no sense. However, he doesn't fit the Carroll profile for corners and Walter Thurmond has come along much faster than expected. So....

Kind of in the same boat as you.

Hate to see him go. But Carroll likes big CB's, and your right Thurmand looks good. As does Roy Lewis.

 

I think this might even help out Jennings as now he moves to the nickel. As long as he's not left 1 on 1 with the WR running down the sideline, he's not that bad.

 

It's a 5th rounder, but playing time would give us a 4th.

[phillybear 366]

I was never a big fan of Wilson or Jennings, from the moment they were drafted. You knew what you got from those guys. Borderline mediocre cornerbacks. Wilson might make a big play here and there, but both were lacking. I thought the corner opposite of Trufant was a big need area going into the draft, and was thrilled at all the defensive backfield picks. To be a good team in the NFL, you need two good corners. We have Trufant and....

 

When you are rebuilding, you might as well let the young guys play. Wilson and Jennings just weren't good enough, and how much worse can the backfield cover than they have been? It's just a matter of time before Milloy gets bumped from the lineup and ultimately cut too.

[Hawkfin 32]

I was never a big fan of Wilson or Jennings, from the moment they were drafted. You knew what you got from those guys. Borderline mediocre cornerbacks. Wilson might make a big play here and there, but both were lacking. I thought the corner opposite of Trufant was a big need area going into the draft, and was thrilled at all the defensive backfield picks. To be a good team in the NFL, you need two good corners. We have Trufant and....

 

When you are rebuilding, you might as well let the young guys play. Wilson and Jennings just weren't good enough, and how much worse can the backfield cover than they have been? It's just a matter of time before Milloy gets bumped from the lineup and ultimately cut too.

 

I agree with most of this... Accept the great backing for Trufant. I don't even think he's that good either if they bother going his way.

(We would be lucky to get a 3rd for him even)

 

Trufant gets burned like the rest of them IMO.

 

This is about the right amount of draft pick value we could get for Wilson I think. We'll have all new corners in the next 3 years anyway I bet. I don't mind getting a draft pick before he ends up being cut or benched.

Depth will hurt for this year.

 

Earl already looks far and above better then anybody else on Def backfield in my view.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

I guess these things happen. I loved Wilson, if he was bigger he'd be a pro-bowler. I suppose a 5th is more then we would have received letting him walk. Losing one of the very few playmakers on the team will hurt this year.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

I agree with most of this... Accept the great backing for Trufant. I don't even think he's that good either if they bother going his way.

(We would be lucky to get a 3rd for him even)

 

Trufant gets burned like the rest of them IMO.

 

This is about the right amount of draft pick value we could get for Wilson I think. We'll have all new corners in the next 3 years anyway I bet. I don't mind getting a draft pick before he ends up being cut or benched.

Depth will hurt for this year.

 

Earl already looks far and above better then anybody else on Def backfield in my view.

 

Trufant is a good, technically sound CB. He's far from a shutdown guy, but you never really have more then two to three of those types in the league any given season. If he's healthy and gets a decent pass rush in front of him he's as good as any corner in the NFL not named Nnamdi, Revis, or Champ.

[phillybear 366]

I guess these things happen. I loved Wilson, if he was bigger he'd be a pro-bowler. I suppose a 5th is more then we would have received letting him walk. Losing one of the very few playmakers on the team will hurt this year.

 

Based on the injured and shaky Baltimore defensive backfield, I fully expect the pick to end up being a 4th. He'll play a lot. I think his contract was up after this season too.

 

Next year, if I'm not mistaken, we would have no 3rd, but three 4th rounders.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Based on the injured and shaky Baltimore defensive backfield, I fully expect the pick to end up being a 4th. He'll play a lot. I think his contract was up after this season too.

 

Next year, if I'm not mistaken, we would have no 3rd, but three 4th rounders.

 

That's right, I keep forgetting it can turn into a 4th.

[Hawkfin 32]

Trufant is a good, technically sound CB. He's far from a shutdown guy, but you never really have more then two to three of those types in the league any given season. If he's healthy and gets a decent pass rush in front of him he's as good as any corner in the NFL not named Nnamdi, Revis, or Champ.

 

We'll see how he does this year now that he's healthy. I just think of him as more of a #2 corner. I mean I put Cramarti as good as Trufant.

 

I'd just like to get a "shutdown" corner as our #1 and move Trufant to the #2. And if he's still getting beat or giving up pass interferances there - Then he's DONE in my mind.

 

I've never liked any of our corners all that much for a very long time.

[WhiteWonder 2,685]

Petty stuff? You mean like calling you out for your lack of logic? Kinda hard when you keep pushing an argument that makes no sense. That's on you. You absolutely said Carroll would fail due to media pressure, and like you did in the Stewart vs DeAngelo thread, you slightly change your position and wording to fit the post. Everyone under the sun knows the Hawks will struggle this year, heck probably even next year as well. Paul Allen has been a model of stability as an owner. Last year was an exception in his reign as Seahawk owner not the rule. Carroll won't be dumped this year or next because the media starts turning on him if the Hawks are not winning. Kinda hard to kill a guy when he is playing with a shite hand. The man needs at least three years to really start to turn this around and get his guys in the program. After that, then there will be pressure to win. Go back and look at Holmgren's tenure. Holmgren was under the gun a bit between 2002-2004. He even almsot walked away until Allen fired Whitsitt. Then 2005 happened and Holmgren was king again. He only walked away from the Hawks because of Ruskell.

 

So let's get the facts straight. Pete Carroll will probably struggle with this team for the next 2 maybe 3 years. The media will turn on him, like they do every coach, if the Hawks do not win. However, media pressure will have nothing to do with Carroll succeeding or failing. So basically, you have no argument and I have spent way too many words on this topic. OUT!

 

yeah, the reason i say petty is that you simply take offense to any point of view that goes against the Seahawks. Understandable. But then you follow me around in other threads for no other reason but to try and jab me. I guess I should be flattered

 

point is, the idea i put out there about carroll and his situation is both valid and obviously one the media is aware of. i linked you an article that shows its at least in the minds of the media already, so what arguement do you have?

 

apparantly i guaranteed Carroll would fail. I'm still awaiting the link on that one. But I suppose its fine for you to speak out your ass

[SUXBNME 1,458]

Which is a bigger joke :

 

The Seadonkeys or this thread ?

[FlaHawker 24]

yeah, the reason i say petty is that you simply take offense to any point of view that goes against the Seahawks. Understandable. But then you follow me around in other threads for no other reason but to try and jab me. I guess I should be flattered

 

point is, the idea i put out there about carroll and his situation is both valid and obviously one the media is aware of. i linked you an article that shows its at least in the minds of the media already, so what arguement do you have?

 

apparantly i guaranteed Carroll would fail. I'm still awaiting the link on that one. But I suppose its fine for you to speak out your ass

I didn't bother reading this BS. I guess you missed where I stated--OUT. Reading comprehension. Catch it!

[FlaHawker 24]

Which is a bigger joke :

 

The Seadonkeys or this thread ?

[Joey Gladstone 33]

We'll see how he does this year now that he's healthy. I just think of him as more of a #2 corner. I mean I put Cramarti as good as Trufant.

 

I'd just like to get a "shutdown" corner as our #1 and move Trufant to the #2. And if he's still getting beat or giving up pass interferances there - Then he's DONE in my mind.

 

I've never liked any of our corners all that much for a very long time.

 

I'd love it if the Hawks got a shutdown corner too. Problem is, they aren't easy to come by.

 

I dont expect much of a pass rush, so even at 100% health, Tru will get torched a few times this season. If Carroll can manufacture a solid rush with his current personnel I'll be VERY excited about the future of this defense.

[FlaHawker 24]

I'd love it if the Hawks got a shutdown corner too. Problem is, they aren't easy to come by.

 

I dont expect much of a pass rush, so even at 100% health, Tru will get torched a few times this season. If Carroll can manufacture a solid rush with his current personnel I'll be VERY excited about the future of this defense.

Cripes, I can name 99 problems with this Seahawk team before I get to Tru.

[WhiteWonder 2,685]

how you guys feel about the Housh thing? He isn't the greatest and not worth 7 million but i feel like it leaves them pretty thin unless they are definately working something for V-Jax... but that deadline is today or he misses 6 games i think.

 

Mike Williams going to be the #1?

[Joey Gladstone 33]

how you guys feel about the Housh thing? He isn't the greatest and not worth 7 million but i feel like it leaves them pretty thin unless they are definately working something for V-Jax... but that deadline is today or he misses 6 games i think.

 

Mike Williams going to be the #1?

 

It's going to make this season even shakier. Long-term I could care less, more PT for the younger guys.

 

This along with trading Josh Wilson will make my prediction of a 6-10 season less likely. Everything is set for Mike Williams. I am cautiously optimistic about him

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Alex Gibbs resigns?!?!

 

Also we got Stacy Andrews, mildly intriguing but he doesn't fit the offense at all. WTF?!? It's going to be a looooooooooooooooooooong season.

[onejayhawk 3]

I am amazed this thread has gotten as long as it has. In another thread, on another site, Seattle was my pick for #1 draft choice, so we are starting from a low base. I see major holes in all the skill positions, DL, OL and team speed. I also consider Carroll a negative. The team is not without talent, but I do not see an awareness of the need to do a complete rebuild.

 

J

[FlaHawker 24]

I am amazed this thread has gotten as long as it has. In another thread, on another site, Seattle was my pick for #1 draft choice, so we are starting from a low base. I see major holes in all the skill positions, DL, OL and team speed. I also consider Carroll a negative. The team is not without talent, but I do not see an awareness of the need to do a complete rebuild.

 

J

thanks for the insight

[FlaHawker 24]

Alex Gibbs resigns?!?!

 

Also we got Stacy Andrews, mildly intriguing but he doesn't fit the offense at all. WTF?!? It's going to be a looooooooooooooooooooong season.

Heading into preseason I thought 7-9 wins possible. Now, I think 4-6. But that being said, I'm glad Carroll and Schneider blew this thing up. I mean it's not like they dumped a bunch of pro bowl players. Teams that win 9 games over two years get blown up. Now we move on and get better.

[tikigods 76]

I am amazed this thread has gotten as long as it has. In another thread, on another site, Seattle was my pick for #1 draft choice, so we are starting from a low base. I see major holes in all the skill positions, DL, OL and team speed. I also consider Carroll a negative. The team is not without talent, but I do not see an awareness of the need to do a complete rebuild.

 

J

 

Carroll is cleaning house and building his own team. I see it as a positive.

[FlaHawker 24]

Locklear now on trading block