why wont obama show his birth certificate

[IMMensaMind 462]

Actually, Its more like a police officer in carrying out a search warrant who flashes his library card at the homeowner as proof he can do what he wants...

 

[MDC 7,225]

Suppose a rumor spread that George W. Bush likes to go to the zoo and shove his head in the rectum of elephants and hippos. Now, this is not true. I made the rumor up just now because I need a clearly ridiculous example to make a point.

 

And this is my point: since I like to imagine him doing this, perhaps other people do to. If somehow the rumor spread that George Bush likes to shove his head up the ass of large mammals spreads, and it becomes a big enough deal that a pollster asked me if I believe it, I might actually say "yes" even though I know that it's false. I'd say "yes" because I hate George W. Bush so much, because it's fun to think of him in this manner, and because I want to register a big "fock you" to him.

 

Anyways, this Birther stuff is clearly, really focking pathetic. I hope that most of you don't actually believe this nonsense. I hope that your reasons for going along with it are the same reason with my anti-Bush rumor: that you don't like Obama and so you latch onto any anti-Obama story that comes down the pipe, no matter how crazy, because it's fun to believe even though you know it makes no sense.

 

Or maybe not, who knows. I'm really not good with conspiracy theories, I'm missing that gene.

 

I think you're right about this, and most of the "birthers" out there don't honestly believe that Obama isn't a US citizen. That's not surprising. What's sad is that several candidates for the GOP nomination either believe this fiction or pretend they do to pander to the mental midgets of their ranks.

 

At this point, I can seriously imagine a moderator asking every GOP candidate in a primary debate whether they believe Obama was born in Hawaii. And I can imagine most of those candidates hedging their bets, because they'd be afraid that popping this bubblle will hurt their chances at winning the nomination.

 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

Still waiting for Phurfur to prove he isn't a Neanderthal man.

[Phurfur 70]

Still waiting for Phurfur to prove he isn't a Neanderthal man.

 

I have shown my Birth Certificate to the authorities and they will be sending me a monthly check for the rest of my life. Thanks for helping a Neanderthal out. In a few hours I will be going out to Happy Hour on your dime. Thanks again.

[Mike Honcho 5,230]

1.) Short form - not enough

2.) Stamp on short form - not enough

3.) Short form - not enough

4.) Announcement in Newspaper - Once again not enough

 

Are you people seriously retarded? Short form DOESN"T cut it... People asking for a birth cert. are asking for a specific document, not a generic shortform...That is just a strawman and proves nothing...

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

[MDC 7,225]

Know what's crazy? This Obamer fellow managed to get a passport without having a birth certificate.

 

[Phurfur 70]

Know what's crazy? This Obamer fellow managed to get a passport without having a birth certificate.

 

 

 

I have never seen his passport, have you? Is it a US passport?

[MDC 7,225]

I have never seen his passport, have you? Is it a US passport?

 

[Voltaire 5,277]

I was having fun with all of this but this post is really ignorant and shows an extreme a lack of knowledge.

 

You're right. When it comes to illogical thinking, I truly am ignorant and have an extreme lack of knowledge. I'm just thinking of how I might come to that conclusion.

 

In fact, there was a rumor that made the rounds that Bush was complicit in 9/11. Now, no matter how much I hate him, I never bought into it. I always thought Bush was asleep at he wheel on 9/11, not an active participant. Even I can't get around to the thought that he would purposely harm America.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Certificate of Live Birth

 

More

 

Still more

 

 

 

I'm impressed. Hawaii must have been using the first inkjet printer ever. I didn't know they came out in 1961.

[DankNuggs 305]

Know what's crazy? This Obamer fellow managed to get a passport without having a birth certificate.

 

Short form is sufficient for a regular citizen to get a passport. It is the office of the POTUS that requires "natural born citizenship"

 

once again, nice strawman.

[Voltaire 5,277]

Short form is sufficient for a regular citizen to get a passport. It is the office of the POTUS that requires "natural born citizenship"

 

once again, nice strawman.

 

You might be onto somethng here. He has not proven that he wasn't born by Cesarean section. He has only provided evidence that he was pulled out of an American woman in Hawaii.

 

Heck, he might have been hatched from an egg in a scientific experiment. The attending physicians may have been Nikita Kruschev and Ayatollah Khomani.

[DankNuggs 305]

You might be onto somethng here. He has not proven that he wasn't born by Cesarean section. He has only provided evidence that he was pulled out of an American woman in Hawaii.

 

Heck, he might have been hatched from an egg in a scientific experiment. The attending physicians may have been Nikita Kruschev and Ayatollah Khomani.

Redact the law or play by the rules. The law is very vague and sketchy, but it nonetheless exists. It isn't right that anyone can evade complying and evoke racial bias as a defense.

 

Honestly, i dont see why the Governator shouldn't have an opportunity to be POTUS if he wanted to and it was the will of the people. You would hope the people would elect someone sovereign to the country.

 

My interest is purely in technical terms. I'd have the same viewpoint if the situation was for say a Ricky Rubio, whose politics I more closely align with.

[SUXBNME 1,467]

Heck, he might have been hatched from an egg in a scientific experiment.

 

Which came first ? Obama or the egg?

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

As the Republican candidates tiptoe through the mine field, Democrats are watching. They hope the debate will fire up their liberal base and perhaps tie the eventual GOP nominee to fringe beliefs that swing voters will reject.

 

In recent days several prominent Republicans have distanced themselves, with varying degrees of emphasis, from the false claim that Obama was born in a foreign country. But with a new poll showing that two-thirds of adult Republicans either embrace the claim or are open to it, nearly all these GOP leaders are not calling for a broader effort to stamp out the allegations.

 

"It's a real challenge for the Republican Party and virtually every Republican candidate for president," contends Democratic pollster Geoff Garin. If it's not handled well, he said, all-important independent voters might see Republicans as extreme or irrelevant.

 

Many Americans consider claims of Obama's foreign birth to be preposterous, unworthy of serious debate. Yet the "birther" issue threatens to overshadow the early stages of the GOP effort to choose a presidential nominee for 2012. Real estate mogul Donald Trump has stirred the pot lately, repeatedly saying Obama should provide his original birth certificate.

 

From a political standpoint, it's impossible to dismiss the matter as conspiratorial fantasy, akin to, say, claims that the 1969 moon landing was staged. In the latest New York Times-CBS News poll, 45 percent of adult Republicans said they believe Obama was born in another country, and 22 percent said they don't know. One-third of Republicans said they believe the president is native born.

 

Ten percent of Democrats said Obama was born overseas, and 9 percent were unsure.

 

......

 

Moreover, some pollsters think respondents will seize a chance to call Obama a Muslim or non-citizen to convey something else: a dislike for him or his policies.

 

"Some people who strongly oppose a person or proposition will take virtually any opportunity to express that antipathy," writes Gary Langer, who polls for ABC News.

 

Garin, the Democratic pollster, doesn't buy it in this case. The birthers' claims are so prevalent, especially on conservative TV and radio shows, he said, that poll respondents are likely to say what they truly believe about a much-discussed topic.

 

"There are high- profile people, including Donald Trump and many others in the conservative media, who advocate and validate this point of view each and every day," Garin said. The big question about the birthplace issue, he said, "is the extent to which it drives a wedge within the Republican Party" and turns off independents in November 2012.

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42723024/ns/politics-decision_2012/

[Recliner Pilot 61]

 

Many Americans consider claims of Obama's foreign birth to be preposterous

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42723024/ns/politics-decision_2012/

 

Many? Exactly what is that number you cite?

[DankNuggs 305]

Many? Exactly what is that number you cite?

His citation is MSNBC

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

Many? Exactly what is that number you cite?

 

434,203

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

His citation is MSNBC

 

The survey was conducted by NY-times, a much more conservative news source.

 

 

The reason I posted that link is because the author stated twice that the birther movement has a chance to drive independents to vote for democrats.

 

 

 

The goal is to get republican control of the POTUS in the next election(unless it is Palin ) Wouldn't consant rehashing of this issue actually hurt the republicans chances.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

Redact the law or play by the rules.

 

That doesn't even make any sense. You don't "redact" laws. "Redact" means to remove offending information from a document. You redact top secret intelligence reports that are released to the public. You redact dates of birth and social security numbers from documents filed in court. You don't "redact" a law.

 

Maybe a visual will help you: http://www.defense.gov/news/transcript_isn10024.pdf

[Gepetto 1,330]

It doesn't focking matter anymore. They already let him take office and he's a horrible president. Get a candidate who can beat him or suffer the consequences of another 4 years of Obama.

 

And Palin or Trump or Gingritch aren't getting my vote. I'll abstain again.

[Mike Honcho 5,230]

That doesn't even make any sense. You don't "redact" laws. "Redact" means to remove offending information from a document. You redact top secret intelligence reports that are released to the public. You redact dates of birth and social security numbers from documents filed in court. You don't "redact" a law.

 

Maybe a visual will help you: http://www.defense.g...pt_isn10024.pdf

 

He seems to think using words like redact and strawman bolster his argument...he doesn't use them correctly, but he sure likes to use them.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

He seems to think using words like redact and strawman bolster his argument...he doesn't use them correctly, but he sure likes to use them.

 

Well the thing that got me is that "redact" isn't even remotely close to what he's trying to say. My first thought was "did he mean retract"? But that really doesn't make much sense either. What he meant was "repeal", and "repeal" is pretty damn far off from "redact." My point is, the man is clearly stupid. Which is why he buys into the birther thing. Birthers are stupid.

[Gepetto 1,330]

Oh here we go...liberals acting like they're smarter than everyone else and know how social, political, economics all should work. NEWSFLASH: You're not that smart.

[IMMensaMind 462]

Oh here we go...liberals acting like they're smarter than everyone else and know how social, political, economics all should work. NEWSFLASH: You're not that smart.

 

Hey...but don't you understand?? Everyone else is arrogant.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

Oh here we go...liberals acting like they're smarter than everyone else and know how social, political, economics all should work. NEWSFLASH: You're not that smart.

 

Whatever dude. You don't have to agree with my politics to be smart. I know plenty of conservatives who are much brighter than myself. But if you really buy into the birther conspiracy then you're obviously an idiot. DankNuggs proved that time and time again and that's all I was pointing out.

[drobeski 3,061]

Well the thing that got me is that "redact" isn't even remotely close to what he's trying to say. My first thought was "did he mean retract"? But that really doesn't make much sense either. What he meant was "repeal", and "repeal" is pretty damn far off from "redact." My point is, the man is clearly stupid. Which is why he buys into the birther thing. Birthers are stupid.

when youre doing as good as the birther donald trump, let me know. Until then, you and the rest of the granola gay crowd can go suck a cack, because as far as I can tell its the only thing any of you fags have mastered.

[Dr.Grimm 0]

Obama has been so honest about everything, we should take his word for it.

[drobeski 3,061]

Obama has been so honest about everything, we should take his word for it.

igotworms does and he is wicked smart

[IGotWorms 4,057]

Obama has been so honest about everything, we should take his word for it.

 

Not you too gocolts! Don't tell me our GOTY is a closet birther.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

when youre doing as good as the birther donald trump, let me know. Until then, you and the rest of the granola gay crowd can go suck a cack, because as far as I can tell its the only thing any of you fags have mastered.

 

And another mouth breather chimes in. You are really doing a good job of proving me wrong.

 

 

And for the record, I have never had to claim bankruptcy. Can your hero Donald Trump say that?

[drobeski 3,061]

Not you too gocolts! Don't tell me our GOTY is a closet birther.

what is a birther ? whats wrong with wanting to see or him showing his long form birth certificate ? seriously...wtf...you girls call names like tea baggers and birthers but you cant never ever ever logically refute anything any of them stand for.. so you call out names your puppet mind has been trained to do instead of sitting back and saying...yeah, why the fock doesnt he show it....he laughs at the puppets like you who vote for him.

[drobeski 3,061]

And another mouth breather chimes in. You are really doing a good job of proving me wrong.

hey mouth breather another focking homo name the libs created.... is there any faggity name you dont repeat ? Holy fock what a robotic pathetic empty head you are.

[Dr.Grimm 0]

Not you too gocolts! Don't tell me our GOTY is a closet birther.

 

Rest easy, I am not a birther.

[Dr.Grimm 0]

igotworms does and he is wicked smart

 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

hey mouth breather another focking homo name the libs created.... is there any faggity name you dont repeat ? Holy fock what a robotic pathetic empty head you are.

 

You're right, it's pretty hard to compete with "faggit".

[IGotWorms 4,057]

OK well now I'm drunk and feeling gregarious and I want to bury the hatchet here. Look guys, sorry I was an @sshole earlier. We're all entitled to our opinions. I think some of yours are dumb but then again you think some of mine are dumb. Truth is we're probably both right.

 

Fock I don't even know why I defend Obama. All politicians are out to fock us one or the other. I prefer getting focked by the likes of Obama & Biden over the likes of Bush & Cheney, but that's kinda like saying I'd rather get punched in the balls than focked in the ass.

 

Anyway you're alright by me.

[peenie 1,906]

this is what my and my daughter's nj birth certificate looks like: scroll down to the yellow one

 

when i wanted to enroll my daughter in college and have her tuition waived i had to show proof of birth.

i gave them the birth certificate shown in the above link.

i was told that it was not proof that she was my daughter.

i actually argued with the lady on the phone and explained to her that it was the only birth certificate i'd ever had for her and myself, that there is no other type of birth certificate and why would i pay for her healthcare benefits all these years if she wasn't my daughter?

the answer was to simply avoid having to pay $40,000 a year in tuition.

 

the woman explained on the phone that unless i came up with another birth certificate, my daughter's tuition would not be waived.

 

lo and behold with little effort i found i could order the long detailed form online.

 

i still haven't seen mine.

 

my point is.....if there is a long detailed birth certificate then i see no reason why it hasn't been available for everyone to see.

 

it doesn't matter what the reason is, if i had to dig it up, why shouldn't my president have to dig his up?

 

if the short form wasn't enough to show proof that she's my daughter, i can understand why it's not enough for many people to become president of the united states.

 

do i personally care? no, not really. i don't care where he was born. his mother is american and that is enough for me. the location of where he popped out of his mother's vagina makes no difference to me.

STILL, he should be able to provide a long detailed form to the public, imo.

 

also, since when is african a race?

they always used the word negro or black.

[penultimatestraw 473]

what is a birther ? whats wrong with wanting to see or him showing his long form birth certificate ? seriously...wtf...you girls call names like tea baggers and birthers but you cant never ever ever logically refute anything any of them stand for.. so you call out names your puppet mind has been trained to do instead of sitting back and saying...yeah, why the fock doesnt he show it....he laughs at the puppets like you who vote for him.

I just think this whole exercise is a colossal waste of time, in the context of our country's other problems. This is politics as usual for both parties, however, who seek to polarize people on hot button topics which have no meaningful impact on the bigger picture.

 

For the sake of argument, I'll ask again:

What consequences have occurred because of the inadequate documentation?

What should happen to Obama if he cannot produce the long form?

Why is it so hard to believe that the form was lost or destroyed?

 

And for the record, I didn't vote Obama. Because I believe the most plausible scenario is the long form was lost, rather than an unlikely, irrelevant conspiracy doesn't mean I am a puppet incapable of logical thought. HTH

[IMMensaMind 462]

I just think this whole exercise is a colossal waste of time, in the context of our country's other problems. This is politics as usual for both parties, however, who seek to polarize people on hot button topics which have no meaningful impact on the bigger picture.

 

For the sake of argument, I'll ask again:

What consequences have occurred because of the inadequate documentation?

 

We may have violated our own Constitutional tenets, and granted someone half of us didn't want an office illegitimately. That person has done much damage to our fiscal condition, and shifted the ideology of the SCOTUS. Every bill that he has signed would be illegit.

 

What should happen to Obama if he cannot produce the long form?

 

SCOTUS ruling on eligibility based upon the evidence; review of Natural Born Citizen requirement (doesn't it require two US citizen parents? Obama's father is not a citizen regardless; this is part of the issue with me).

 

 

Why is it so hard to believe that the form was lost or destroyed?

 

Because he hasn't produced it; because Hawaii is on record saying it exists.

 

And for the record, I didn't vote Obama. Because I believe the most plausible scenario is the long form was lost, rather than an unlikely, irrelevant conspiracy doesn't mean I am a puppet incapable of logical thought. HTH

 

I'm sure you're not. The most information I've found on this topic is at the Sean Hannity website forum, where there are people literally obsessed with this topic. There is a ton of information available there that I hadn't seen before; many knowledgeable people and a couple of kooks (on both sides of the political spectrum). Nonetheless, the conversations on this topic there take place at the highest levels:

 

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1216821&page=3588