Game of Thrones (no spoilers)

[parrot 790]

no - but I am disappointed then that it's "formulaic" and I mean it like this:

 

Freud was easy, just make anything/everything about sex no matter how far reaching, ta-da! great Freudian analysis.

 

Martin is like that except just figure out the most thoroughly woven series of tragic events for a "good guy" and write it.

Kill him? no, kill his unborn child, then his wife, his dog - make his mother beg, then kill him and his mother, oh... and make the mother commit murder on some innocent girl too even though she doesn't really want that on her heaven-resume.

Sound good?

nope. let's make his kid sister watch the whole thing and escape by being kidnapped by a ruthless, deformed, murdered.

 

WINNER!

 

Yeah, I get frustrated with this too. It seems like Martin almost makes it a point to never give readers/viewers what they want, either in terms of things going well for the good guys, or for the bad guys to get their comeuppance in the way we might like. I guess in a way it is formulaic in that he tries so hard not to be formulaic or predictable that he tends to piss his fans off. That and the 12 years between books.

[OldMaid 2,135]

These shows would blow if i read the books

It would blow our minds if we found out you could read.

 

 

:smooches:

[TD Ryan2 316]

you can watch the show, THEN read the books and still enjoy the books because there is so much more detail in the books.

you can NOT read the books, THEN watch the show with an equal level of enjoyment as having done the opposite.

reading the books, then watching the show is simply inconceivable.

it is known.

[drobeski 3,061]

It would blow our minds if we found out you could read.

 

 

:smooches:

Even cancer would be scared of your twat

[OldMaid 2,135]

you can watch the show, THEN read the books and still enjoy the books because there is so much more detail in the books.

you can NOT read the books, THEN watch the show with an equal level of enjoyment as having done the opposite.

reading the books, then watching the show is simply inconceivable.

it is known.

Many people disagree...

 

 

The important thing is: just enjoy. There doesn't have to be a "right" way or a "wrong" way.

[OldMaid 2,135]

Even cancer would be scared of your twat

You say that like it's a bad thing.

[TD Ryan2 316]

 

Yeah, I get frustrated with this too. It seems like Martin almost makes it a point to never give readers/viewers what they want, either in terms of things going well for the good guys, or for the bad guys to get their comeuppance in the way we might like. I guess in a way it is formulaic in that he tries so hard not to be formulaic or predictable that he tends to piss his fans off. That and the 12 years between books.

I just want balance - that's what's most realistic and least formulaic.

The good guys don't always win nor do the bad guys - 50/50, or even 40/60. Martin is batting about 20/80 right now and while it's train-wreck intriguing, it will get old soon.

[TD Ryan2 316]

Many people disagree...

 

 

The important thing is: just enjoy. There doesn't have to be a "right" way or a "wrong" way.

it's funny that you think I'm serious... this is how I know you're really female... other wise you'd know I don't focking care, like every red-blooded man - except your boyfriend, and Quickolas - but I don't hold it against Quick or you for that matter b/c you guys have been great about not spoiling AND answering my "who's that guy" questions.

[Big Blue 06 196]

I'm glad I read the books first. I say this, even remembering how much I have been dreading this whole season because of the Red Wedding. I enjoyed the books so much that it made it worth that feeling.

 

Having said that, when books 6 and 7 come out (assuming they do before we all die of old age), I will not read them. I will watch the rest of the show as fresh as I can and then go read the books. I liked having that feeling of shock when Ned's head falled off at the same time that everyone else did (I read the books, from the beginning, after season 1). I think I'd like to watch the last 2 seasons along with everyone else again.

 

Still, I agree with whoever said that there's no wrong way to enjoy this series.

[parrot 790]

I just want balance - that's what's most realistic and least formulaic.

The good guys don't always win nor do the bad guys - 50/50, or even 40/60. Martin is batting about 20/80 right now and while it's train-wreck intriguing, it will get old soon.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/06/02/game-of-thrones-author-george-r-r-martin-why-he-wrote-the-red-wedding/

 

 

 

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: How early in the process of writing the book series did you know you were gonna kill off Robb and Catelyn?

 

 

GEORGE R.R. MARTIN: I knew it almost from the beginning. Not the first day, but very soon. I’ve said in many interviews that I like my fiction to be unpredictable. I like there to be considerable suspense. I killed Ned in the first book and it shocked a lot of people. I killed Ned because everybody thinks he’s the hero and that, sure, he’s going to get into trouble, but then he’ll somehow get out of it. The next predictable thing is to think his eldest son is going to rise up and avenge his father. And everybody is going to expect that. So immediately [killing Robb] became the next thing I had to do.

[OldMaid 2,135]

it's funny that you think I'm serious... this is how I know you're really female... other wise you'd know I don't focking care, like every red-blooded man - except your boyfriend, and Quickolas - but I don't hold it against Quick or you for that matter b/c you guys have been great about not spoiling AND answering my "who's that guy" questions.

 

 

It's okay. I was half-assed joking with you, too. Wait... does that mean you're a hermaphrodite?

[The Moz 71]

I'm glad I read the books first. I say this, even remembering how much I have been dreading this whole season because of the Red Wedding. I enjoyed the books so much that it made it worth that feeling.

 

Having said that, when books 6 and 7 come out (assuming they do before we all die of old age), I will not read them. I will watch the rest of the show as fresh as I can and then go read the books. I liked having that feeling of shock when Ned's head falled off at the same time that everyone else did (I read the books, from the beginning, after season 1). I think I'd like to watch the last 2 seasons along with everyone else again.

 

Still, I agree with whoever said that there's no wrong way to enjoy this series.

I have been dreading this entire season because it was split in half and they are focking waiting a entire year to show the second half. Hell even Harry Potter book 7 that was split in half 0nly waited like 6 months and thats a movie.

 

I wonder if they are doing a book 4 season - if they do so many characters won't be there. Book 5 is so big I wonder if they cut it into 3rds

[OldMaid 2,135]

Came across this while researching a release date for book 6...

 

 

http://screenrant.com/game-thrones-george-martin-song-fire-ice-book-6-winds-winter-7-dream-spring-release-dates/

 

 

 

Can you imagine what a clusterfock it will be if they catch up before Martin gets his sh!t together?

[TD Ryan2 316]

thanks parrot.

 

... does that mean you're a hermaphrodite?

sorry to disappoint... I'm not... now close your mouth.

[parrot 790]

Came across this while researching a release date for book 6...

 

 

http://screenrant.com/game-thrones-george-martin-song-fire-ice-book-6-winds-winter-7-dream-spring-release-dates/

 

 

 

Can you imagine what a clusterfock it will be if they catch up before Martin gets his sh!t together?

 

I can't decide if the show is a curse or a charm as far as the books getting finished. Yeah, there's some added motivation to write faster, but at the same time he's pretty involved in the show so it's just one more thing taking his attention away from the books.

 

I read somewhere that Martin has already gone over the broad strokes of how the story ends with Weiss and Benioff. I wonder if he'll end up regretting that once the show catches up with him? I don't think HBO is going to sit around and wait for him to finish his books. They may just take their notes and run with their own conclusion to the story.

[OldMaid 2,135]

thanks parrot.

 

 

sorry to disappoint... I'm not... now close your mouth.

That is definitely not a very "guy" thing to say.

[OldMaid 2,135]

I can't decide if the show is a curse or a charm as far as the books getting finished. Yeah, there's some added motivation to write faster, but at the same time he's pretty involved in the show so it's just one more thing taking his attention away from the books.

 

I read somewhere that Martin has already gone over the broad strokes of how the story ends with Weiss and Benioff. I wonder if he'll end up regretting that once the show catches up with him? I don't think HBO is going to sit around and wait for him to finish his books. They may just take their notes and run with their own conclusion to the story.

 

I'm inclined to agree with you on this.

 

I'll add: Even if it does end up spurring Martin to write faster... I'm afraid that it might show in his work. It would be such a shame if he blows the last two books, because he felt pressured and rushed.

[TD Ryan2 316]

 

I can't decide if the show is a curse or a charm as far as the books getting finished. Yeah, there's some added motivation to write faster, but at the same time he's pretty involved in the show so it's just one more thing taking his attention away from the books.

 

I read somewhere that Martin has already gone over the broad strokes of how the story ends with Weiss and Benioff. I wonder if he'll end up regretting that once the show catches up with him? I don't think HBO is going to sit around and wait for him to finish his books. They may just take their notes and run with their own conclusion to the story.

any sort of writing or creative endeavor can't really be rushed... it's why artists are starving, generally.

Weiss and Benioff could do a fine job of finishing it off with just notes - but Martin's masterpiece would really be unfinished - and even now, I'd guess Weiss and Benioff are influencing/contributing to his ending.

[The Moz 71]

It is going to be at least 5 years before a book 6 season would even be aired anyway. next year is book 3 2nd 1/2 then book 4 then likely book 5 split into 2 seasons or a 3 seasons if they incorporate book 4 into 5 to include all the characters. I am pretty confident he has the entire series written and out before the 2nd part of season 5 ends.

[Quickolas1 80]

dude has taken 20 years to write 5 books when he knows the story.

 

I'm not sure the show pushing him can be much of a bad thing.

[WahooJim 4]

any sort of writing or creative endeavor can't really be rushed... it's why artists are starving, generally.

Weiss and Benioff could do a fine job of finishing it off with just notes - but Martin's masterpiece would really be unfinished - and even now, I'd guess Weiss and Benioff are influencing/contributing to his ending.

 

Hence why James Patterson's book blow so bad. Dude writes 5 books a year..........

[parrot 790]

It is going to be at least 5 years before a book 6 season would even be aired anyway. next year is book 3 2nd 1/2 then book 4 then likely book 5 split into 2 seasons or a 3 seasons if they incorporate book 4 into 5 to include all the characters. I am pretty confident he has the entire series written and out before the 2nd part of season 5 ends.

 

It is going to be at least 5 years before a book 6 season would even be aired anyway. next year is book 3 2nd 1/2 then book 4 then likely book 5 split into 2 seasons or a 3 seasons if they incorporate book 4 into 5 to include all the characters. I am pretty confident he has the entire series written and out before the 2nd part of season 5 ends.

No one who knows much of anything about Martin's writing of this series believes he has it done. Last I heard he was about 1/3 of the way through book 6, and some of that was written before book 5 was released, two years ago.

[parrot 790]

any sort of writing or creative endeavor can't really be rushed... it's why artists are starving, generally.

Weiss and Benioff could do a fine job of finishing it off with just notes - but Martin's masterpiece would really be unfinished - and even now, I'd guess Weiss and Benioff are influencing/contributing to his ending.

I don't know that this is necessarily the case here. For starters, I don't know that expecting a book say, every five years, can be defined as rushing. As others have mentioned, he presumably knows pretty much where the story is going at this point, he just needs to make the time to put it on paper. He has hands in tons of different things that keep him from the series. The general belief is that it's more a matter of making time than hitting his creative stride. Less inspiration, more perspiration.

[MedStudent 56]

dude has taken 20 years to write 5 books when he knows the story.

 

I'm not sure the show pushing him can be much of a bad thing.

I think he's in his 60's and he doesn't look like the healthiest guy in the world either. If no one pushes him, he may not live long enough to finish.

[OldMaid 2,135]

I think he's in his 60's and he doesn't look like the healthiest guy in the world either. If no one pushes him, he may not live long enough to finish.

If he dies now, before finishing... I'm gonna come looking for you!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[The Moz 71]

I think I have read that his Next book will be out no later than Jan. 15'.

[parrot 790]

I think I have read that his Next book will be out no later than Jan. 15'.

That I can believe, the question is what year?

[Quickolas1 80]

these people were REALLY attached to robb's direwolf !

 

[The Moz 71]

That I can believe, the question is what year?

Jan. 2015

[frank 2,347]

Jan. 2015

Is that military time?

[Bill E. 703]

Just watched the ep. I figured there would be a happy reunion w/ Aria. I guess I should not been surprised but I really was. I suck at predicting things. That really blew.

[CantTouchThis 23]

it still kinda felt like a letdown. It was SO much more intense and gruesome in my head.

 

You have a focked up head then my dear. That was one of the more intense, gruesome moments in TV history.

 

I know there wasn't going be be a reunion(though, Bran/Jon was close). That's too good for this show. I was NOT expecting that at all, even remotely. I actually thought Frey was going to either ask to bang Stark's wife or just rape her at some point. Even when Catelyn saw Bolton was wearing armor, I wasn't expecting a bloodbath, I thought they were just going to take the girl away to be raped or something. That was certainly among the most shocking moments I've seen on a show.

 

They still have Arya/Snow/Bran/Rickon, and those first 3 are enough to take over all of Westeros.

 

BTW, didn't get to seeing it until just now, saw A LOT of statuses on FB and twitter about how shocking and depressing it was. I actually thought that Ygritte was going to die. I knew that whole thing wasn't going to last, but I don't think she can kill him. I am very interested in seeing Jaime's return to King's Landing.

[WhiteWonder 2,932]

 

Yeah, I get frustrated with this too. It seems like Martin almost makes it a point to never give readers/viewers what they want, either in terms of things going well for the good guys, or for the bad guys to get their comeuppance in the way we might like. I guess in a way it is formulaic in that he tries so hard not to be formulaic or predictable that he tends to piss his fans off. That and the 12 years between books.

 

he tries so hard to do the opposite of what fans want that i think it becomes too predictable in the opposite direction.

[WhiteWonder 2,932]

It is going to be at least 5 years before a book 6 season would even be aired anyway. next year is book 3 2nd 1/2 then book 4 then likely book 5 split into 2 seasons or a 3 seasons if they incorporate book 4 into 5 to include all the characters. I am pretty confident he has the entire series written and out before the 2nd part of season 5 ends.

 

i have heard he will not finish the series until the show has caught up with the books

[parrot 790]

 

he tries so hard to do the opposite of what fans want that i think it becomes too predictable in the opposite direction.

 

[TD Ryan2 316]

 

i have heard he will not finish the series until the show has caught up with the books

 

yup. and that's a tough approach to take - GRRM admitted that he immediately knew Rob had to die b/c fans expected him to avenge his father - and the reason the story OFTEN plays out the way we expect it to is because that's realistic too... the next Bin Laden is out there b/c his house and neighborhood were bombed, his family and friends were all killed, and now his only scarred, insane purpose his revenge on the USA - it's how it works - the only way you get someone that committed, desperate, and focused is dumping a situation like that on them.

[The Moz 71]

 

he tries so hard to do the opposite of what fans want that i think it becomes too predictable in the opposite direction.

No real spoiler but I think it is safe to claim that Martin has a chance to disprove or prove that statement in book 6 in regards to how 5 ended

[frank 2,347]

No real spoiler but I think it is safe to claim that Martin has a chance to disprove or prove that statement in book 6 in regards to how 5 ended

A friend thinks the ending of book 5 will be reversed in some sense. If I had to guess, I disagree. With any other author, I would have been surprised and expect some way out of it. With Martin, I am taking it at face value.

[The Moz 71]

A friend thinks the ending of book 5 will be reversed in some sense. If I had to guess, I disagree. With any other author, I would have been surprised and expect some way out of it. With Martin, I am taking it at face value.

 

I was referring to whether or Not Jon Snow is dead or not. If dead he is doing the same thing he did with Ned and Robb if not he is changing it up -- if he is dead then DAMN Martin hates the Stark Family.

 

[Big Blue 06 196]

 

I was referring to whether or Not Jon Snow is dead or not. If dead he is doing the same thing he did with Ned and Robb if not he is changing it up -- if he is dead then DAMN Martin hates the Stark Family.

 

 

If you google the words, "why does George Martin", the first choice for auto complete is "hate the Starks" .