Westboro Baptist Church plan to protest at Newtown CT funerals

[NewbieJr 541]

Sack up and do it yourself, toughguy.

I'm not a grieving family member, jackhole.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

No one is claiming they should be arrested. We're just hoping some mourning family member snaps one day and blows them all away.

Gotta love the tolerant left. :lol:

 

Also hoping someone else comes along and does the work for him is another lefty trait.

[Thornton Melon 639]

Actually, during military funerals they hold signs saying "Soldiers Die, God Laughs", "Thank God For Dead Soldiers" etc. They also scream this garbage repeatedly at anyone who passes, including family members of said deceased soldier.

 

So, I pretty much summed it up correctly, then?

[Bruce Benedict 0]

I'm not a grieving family member, jackhole.

Typical liberal. Needing an actual family member to do the heavy lifting of being related to the deceased.

[NewbieJr 541]

So, I pretty much summed it up correctly, then?

I suppose someone could walk along side you telling you that you're a pussie and that they hope your children die and that would be cool with you, huh? Because he's just exercizing his right to free speech.

[NewbieJr 541]

Gotta love the tolerant left. :lol:

 

Also hoping someone else comes along and does the work for him is another lefty trait.

Sorry. Not tolerant of people showing a lack of ethics in a time of suffering. I'm pretty sure that isn't a lefty trait.

[Lackman 0]

I suppose someone could walk along side you telling you that you're a pussie and that they hope your children die and that would be cool with you, huh? Because he's just exercizing his right to free speech.

 

And in this week's episode of Internet Tough Guy...

[NewbieJr 541]

And in this week's episode of Internet Tough Guy...

LOL Yeah, because my analogy is an example of that. You're as dumb as you are unhealthy.

[Thornton Melon 639]

I suppose someone could walk along side you telling you that you're a pussie and that they hope your children die and that would be cool with you, huh? Because he's just exercizing his right to free speech.

 

Yes

[Thornton Melon 639]

No one is claiming they should be arrested. We're just hoping some mourning family member snaps one day and blows them all away.

 

That's not the vibe I'm getting from some of these posts....

[Lackman 0]

LOL Yeah, because my analogy is an example of that. You're as dumb as you are unhealthy.

 

You betcha. Y'all sure do talk all big and tough for a pussie.

[NewbieJr 541]

You betcha. Y'all sure do talk all big and tough for a pussie.

I don't talk big and tough. Saying I hope that a grieving family member snaps someday and blows away about a dozen of these WBC members is not me talking tough.

Had I said that one day I'm going to go to a protest and pound the snot out of those guys, would be me talking tough.

 

Sorry that you're own preconceived notions are getting in the way of understanding simple sentences.

[Phurfur 70]

 

So you think WBC is going too far by protesting a funeral? I agree. It's inhumane and goes against common human decency. People want to protect WBC's right for indecency, but then bemoan what's happening to our society.

 

but we are the Great Society!

[TimmySmith 2,783]

I'm not a grieving family member, jackhole.

Your family has to die before you take a stand on something you feel strongly about?

[NewbieJr 541]

Your family has to die before you take a stand on something you feel strongly about?

In the case of murder, yes.

[FeelingMN 273]

I would defend Rush Limbaugh's right to say whatever the fock he wants. You can always ignore it.

 

I would be against the morons who decide what is moral and what should be allowed as free speech on the air and then go threaten sponsors and businesses with their censorship ideals. "I don't like it so nobody should be able to enjoy it". Basically their arbitrary thoughts are how they want the rest of the world to feel as well.

 

I've been very consistent on this topic.

 

We're close to being on the same page. I'm fine with Rush et al. I also at those protesters going after folks they disagree with. What a waste of time. But I still support their right to do so. It seems like this is where we differ. Ultimately, sponsors need to have a backbone, absorb some bad pub for about four days then move on.

 

I support WBC protesting.....just not at a funeral. Announce you're gonna do your thing well in advance, away from the funeral services and everyone can go about living their lives. If that were the case, then I'd 100% agree with the OP in that we need to fight for these focks to exercise their rights. But to do it in close proximity to a funeral lacks humanity. Maybe they're not as close as I somehow think they are. But I envision them coming face to face with grief stricken families. Just a total lack of empathy and think their message is more important than a family burying their loved ones. If that's what they do.....it's sick.

[FeelingMN 273]

but we are the Great Society!

 

What we need is a New Deal?

 

[DankNuggs 305]

We're close to being on the same page. I'm fine with Rush et al. I also at those protesters going after folks they disagree with. What a waste of time. But I still support their right to do so. It seems like this is where we differ. Ultimately, sponsors need to have a backbone, absorb some bad pub for about four days then move on.

 

I support WBC protesting.....just not at a funeral. Announce you're gonna do your thing well in advance, away from the funeral services and everyone can go about living their lives. If that were the case, then I'd 100% agree with the OP in that we need to fight for these focks to exercise their rights. But to do it in close proximity to a funeral lacks humanity. Maybe they're not as close as I somehow think they are. But I envision them coming face to face with grief stricken families. Just a total lack of empathy and think their message is more important than a family burying their loved ones. If that's what they do.....it's sick.

That is what they do, it IS sick, and its not in the name of free speech, its in the name of getting cheap media attention... Its about on par with a guy streaking at a sports event carrying an obscene sign... And having the crowd say "yes, we need to protect this guys right to say whats on his mind"

 

Fock no it isn't... Get the taser out, drop him, and drag him in jail, its not his right to sabotage and harrass a solemn assembly... Your right to free speech can't trump their right to grieve peacefully...

[NewbieJr 541]

That is what they do, it IS sick, and its not in the name of free speech, its in the name of getting cheap media attention... Its about on par with a guy streaking at a sports event carrying an obscene sign... And having the crowd say "yes, we need to protect this guys right to say whats on his mind"

 

Fock no it isn't... Get the taser out, drop him, and drag him in jail, its not his right to sabotage and harrass a solemn assembly... Your right to free speech can't trump their right to grieve peacefully...

We don't normally see eye to eye on things, but you are 100% correct.

[DankNuggs 305]

We don't normally see eye to eye on things, but you are 100% correct.

[tikigods 76]

The KKK is a hate group.....and yet you include them and WBC with Gandhi and MLK. Just trying to figure out your arbitrary classifications.

 

It really doesn't matter. All of them have the right to assemble....so not sure why you keep arguing that point. WBC can assemble....the question is, should they be allowed to assemble at a funeral? You seem to think the Constitution provides all of us the freedom to do anything we want as long as it's legal. I say that some things are morally wrong even if they're permitted.

 

There are certain limits on free speech. Don't see the damage in saying there should be a limit to where you can and cannot assemble. Funerals seem to be a logical consideration. But you wanna say anything goes.

 

Let WBC assemble on Main St Newtown. Let them go wherever they want as long as they allow suffering individuals grieve. The fact that you said the Constitution doesn't mention anything about grieving is pretty focking dim. It's just basic human focking decency. Imposing that limit on assembly does not damage the foundation of America. Not sure why you think it does.

 

Abstract arbitrary morality and decency have nothing at all to do with concrete, defined freedom and rights.

 

Any limitations are an outrage.

 

This.

[Sho Nuff 720]

That is what they do, it IS sick, and its not in the name of free speech, its in the name of getting cheap media attention... Its about on par with a guy streaking at a sports event carrying an obscene sign... And having the crowd say "yes, we need to protect this guys right to say whats on his mind"

 

Fock no it isn't... Get the taser out, drop him, and drag him in jail, its not his right to sabotage and harrass a solemn assembly... Your right to free speech can't trump their right to grieve peacefully...

 

I think, in a way, some of them even hope someone does something to "take them on"...will just give them more attention to get out their ignorant message.

[naomi 360]

I think, in a way, some of them even hope someone does something to "take them on"...will just give them more attention to get out their ignorant message.

 

They do, just not when there's a decent chance the backlash against them could seriously endanger them.

 

The message is either just a tool for them, which makes sense with how they've been profiting from what they do for years before they were a household name. Or it's their business and they're serious. Their stated beliefs and reason for their actions don't check out (if you're accepting their doctrinal presuppositions). It's like they bank on people being too shocked and/or incensed by them on the surface to not notice that part of things. Most cults check out more in their logic (good logic, just erroneous presuppositions) than they do.

 

After the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the hate-spewing Westboro Baptist Church has a right to picket military funerals, Shirley Phelps-Roper promised to "double and triple our efforts" to stage anti-gay protests in the most unwelcome places.

 

The 8-1 decision in Snyder v. Phelps means "you can still stand on the streets of doomed America and warn people they have to obey God, that their destruction is eminent," she said in a phone interview Thursday with AOL News.

 

But if Fred Phelps' daughter claimed a heavenly ordained legal victory, few longtime observers of the outcast family from Topeka, Kan., were willing to give them much credit for the outcome.

 

"The First Amendment won yesterday, not the Fred Phelps family. Every lawyer in the country knows that eight members of the court held their nose pretty hard" to protect a constitutional right, said Kansas Bar Association President Glenn Braun. He was in the same class as Phelps' daughter Margie at Washburn University School of Law in Topeka and clerked in an office down the street from Fred Phelps' old law office.

 

"They are smart people and they are passionate," Braun said. "Doesn't make them good people. But you can't underestimate their abilities."

 

Margie Phelps, who was once suspended from practicing in federal and state courts, argued the case before the high court. Her sister Shirley, also a lawyer, was at her side and is the family spokeswoman. The two are the heirs apparent to their father, now 81 and frail, even though Phelps-Roper said, "God hates women preachers" and she considers herself more a "prophetess."

 

Eleven of Fred Phelps' 13 children are lawyers, many of them graduates of Washburn. They have been widely vilified since they picketed the 1998 funeral of Matthew Shepard, who was murdered because he was gay. Their patriarch has been called "America's most notorious anti-gay activist." But they know their legal rights.

 

"They scrupulously obeyed the ordinance" that kept them and their "God hates fags" and "America is doomed" signs away from the funeral of Marine Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder, said Mark Potok, who directs Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Project.

 

"They're good at this," Potok said, noting that the family has successfully sued many communities for monetary damages after they tried to restrict the family's constitutionally protected protests. "They understand the First Amendment very, very well. They are not stupid people. They are vile people."

[Savage Beast 1]

The media should collectively agree to ignore this organization. The media coverage is the reason they do it.

 

 

If the newspapers and TV stations ignored them, they would go away.

 

They are celebrities in their own right thanks to the news media. And they love it.

[tikigods 76]

 

If the newspapers and TV stations ignored them, they would go away.

 

They are celebrities in their own right thanks to the news media. And they love it.

 

I was under the impression you belonged to this church.

[wiffleball 4,793]

That is what they do, it IS sick, and its not in the name of free speech, its in the name of getting cheap media attention... Its about on par with a guy streaking at a sports event carrying an obscene sign... And having the crowd say "yes, we need to protect this guys right to say whats on his mind"

 

Fock no it isn't... Get the taser out, drop him, and drag him in jail, its not his right to sabotage and harrass a solemn assembly... Your right to free speech can't trump their right to grieve peacefully...

[Savage Beast 1]

I was under the impression you belonged to this church.

 

I am a member of no organized American church. There is no American church that I know of who teaches and preaches the scriptures properly in both their historical and grammatical context? If there is, I haven't seen or heard of one?

[wiffleball 4,793]

New Twist:

 

What if these morons had signs that said "God hates Niiggers or: God hates Mooslims?" "Amuricans deserve to die because they allow Niiggers to serve in the military / marry white wimmens, etc."

 

 

Which, BTW - sparks a bit of a brainstorm - Photoshop, then distribute to our "Brothas in arms".

[wiffleball 4,793]

I am a member of no organized American church. There is no American church that I know of who teaches and preaches the scriptures properly in both their historical and grammatical context? If there is, I haven't seen or heard of one?

 

 

 

Might want to try these guys. They only deal with facts:

 

http://atheists.org/

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Might want to try these guys. They only deal with facts:

 

http://atheists.org/

 

[tikigods 76]

I am a member of no organized American church. There is no American church that I know of who teaches and preaches the scriptures properly in both their historical and grammatical context? If there is, I haven't seen or heard of one?

 

So what do you do, just read the Bible?

[Frozenbeernuts 2,292]

 

If the newspapers and TV stations ignored them, they would go away.

 

They are celebrities in their own right thanks to the news media. And they love it.

I think you are a bit misguided there. The media covers them because the public tunes in. If the public refused to watch any coverage designated to these focks the media would no longer have a reason to follow them.

[hoytdwow 202]

Anonymous hacks Westboro Baptist Church

 

But this weekend, members of the hacker collective Anonymous gave the Westboro wackos a form of attention they might not have been seeking. Anonymous apparently hacked the church's website, godhatesfags.com. It took over the Twitter account of Shirley Phelps-Roper, the Westboro member who announced the picket plans. It is pushing a whitehouse.gov petition to have Westboro declared a hate group. And it published online the names and personal details of Westboro Baptist Church members.

 

I don't necessarily support Anonymous, however, in this case,

 

link

[Savage Beast 1]

So what do you do, just read the Bible?

 

I "study" the Bible in both the Hebrew and Koine Greek. And not the American English language canonized versions either. The Apocryphal and Pseudepigraphical(book of Enoch for example) texts should be used as well to study the Biblical scriptures in their proper historical context. There is valuable ancient Hebraic history in these texts, even if they are not inspired scripture. These texts can be used to get the proper historical context of the inspired texts. You can't get the proper ancient historical context of the Hebrew scriptures by using the Americanized English Bibles(KJV included, it comes from the Roman Catholic Latin Vulgate and sucks), the English Bible translations suck mostly(Young's Literal Bible translation being the exception for example).

 

I grew up in American Churches, and they don't know their elbow from their @sshole when it comes to teaching the ancient Hebraic scriptures. They refuse to teach them in their ancient historical and proper grammatical context, and instead act as if the Bible was written to 21st century Americans by 21st century Americans by people who can't tell the difference between nouns and verbs. They abuse the Bible's history and grammar worse then Flavor Flav abuses the English language.

[Frank M 181]

I "study" the Bible in both the Hebrew and Koine Greek. And not the American English language canonized versions either. The Apocryphal and Pseudepigraphical(book of Enoch for example) texts should be used as well to study the Biblical scriptures in their proper historical context. There is valuable ancient Hebraic history in these texts, even if they are not inspired scripture. These texts can be used to get the proper historical context of the inspired texts. You can't get the proper ancient historical context of the Hebrew scriptures by using the Americanized English Bibles(KJV included, it comes from the Roman Catholic Latin Vulgate and sucks), the English Bible translations suck mostly(Young's Literal Bible translation being the exception for example).

 

I grew up in American Churches, and they don't know their elbow from their @sshole when it comes to teaching the ancient Hebraic scriptures. They refuse to teach them in their ancient historical and proper grammatical context, and instead act as if the Bible was written to 21st century Americans by 21st century Americans by people who can't tell the difference between nouns and verbs. They abuse the Bible's history and grammar worse then Flavor Flav abuses the English language.

 

Why do I keep getting the picture of a Star Wars/Lord of the Rings/Dungeons and Dragons nerd poring over every scrap of information written about their chosen obsession in a vain attempt to escape this world for another?

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Why do I keep getting the picture of a Star Wars/Lord of the Rings/Dungeons and Dragons nerd poring over every scrap of information written about their chosen obsession in a vain attempt to escape this world for another?

 

I love how he wastes time learning dead languages instead if something useful, so he can read the "OFFICIAL" fairy tale.

[Frank M 181]

I love how he wastes time learning dead languages instead if something useful, so he can read the "OFFICIAL" fairy tale.

 

I have a feeling he's going to be surprised at the end of it all. Gandalf's not coming back in real life.

[naomi 360]

You can't get the proper ancient historical context of the Hebrew scriptures by using the Americanized English Bibles (KJV included, it comes from the Roman Catholic Latin Vulgate and sucks)

 

The KJV went off the Old Latin Vulgate which predates Jerome's Vulgate...what we know as 'the' Latin Vulgate....that the Roman Catholic Church recognized (before adopting the Alexandrian translations), by two hundred years. After spoken Latin lost relevance and after mass persecution of Christians, Jerome's was the forwarded common text. The KJV isn't a perfect rendering, but as far as a version that doesn't corrupt critical doctrine, it's solid.

[Savage Beast 1]

The KJV went off the Old Latin Vulgate which predates Jerome's Vulgate...what we know as 'the' Latin Vulgate....that the Roman Catholic Church recognized (before adopting the Alexandrian translations), by two hundred years. After spoken Latin lost relevance and after mass persecution of Christians, Jerome's was the forwarded common text. The KJV isn't a perfect rendering, but as far as a version that doesn't corrupt critical doctrine, it's solid.

 

The KJV is perfectly rendered to perpetuate Roman Catholic mythology about fallen angelic creatures from Heaven that do not exist for example. But I agree it does not corrupt the gospel of Christ. But the KJV does teach blatant false secondary doctrines that are held as orthodox because of the Roman catholic doctrines that the Protestants kept during the reformation.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Would you two just fock already?