Westboro Baptist Church plan to protest at Newtown CT funerals

[tikigods 76]

Good idea.

 

You sit on the edge of your seat and wait form someone to try to intelligently debate the position that Constitutional rights shouldn't be defended because.....ya know....the Constitution was written a long time ago.

 

I almost feel sorry for Gepetto. Luckily he'll have that piece of old paper to defend his ability to create stupid posts.

[naomi 360]

It'll take too much typing so I'll spare you guys, but if you study up on what the people who comprise the Westboro "baptist" "church" actually gain in their minds from their shenanigans, it has nothing to do with what they suggest to people. Those who have stayed in good graces with the family are all either attorneys or working on being. They've won a lot of suits against people that have lashed out at them in one way or another, having been provoked by the utter crap they were spewing.

 

In the last few years they've announced they'll show up at places where there's a good chance they would get killed if they followed through, and naturally, they don't show up.

 

Patriarch Fred Phelps political/social advocacy history isn't what you would guess, if you were in stereotyping mode.

[tikigods 76]

It'll take too much typing so I'll spare you guys, but if you study up on what the people who comprise the Westboro "baptist" "church" actually gain in their minds from their shenanigans, it has nothing to do with what they suggest to people. Those who have stayed in good graces with the family are all either attorneys or working on being. They've won a lot of suits against people that have lashed out at them in one way or another, having been provoked by the utter crap they were spewing.

 

In the last few years they've announced they'll show up at places where there's a good chance they would get killed if they followed through, and naturally, they don't show up.

 

Patriarch Fred Phelps political/social advocacy history isn't what you would guess, if you were in stereotyping mode.

 

Do you feel they have the right to protest at these funerals?

[tikigods 76]

I support their right to protest. And I hope a sniper opens fire on the whole lot of them.

 

See...that is exactly what they would want you to do. Then they are the victims and sue the sh1t out of you.

 

The SCLC did the same thing in Birmingham, Alabama and Bull Conner took it hook, line, and sinker. Hosing black children in the streets. Attacking them with German shepherds.

 

The irony of all this is that those gutless bustards don't have the balls to show up in Newtown.

[tikigods 76]

You can give up on expecting an intelligent conversation from tikigods or from recliner pilot. Probably on the wrong forum for an intelligent conversation.

 

With posts like this, it's hard to have an intelligent conversation.

 

 

It amazes me how brainwashed Americans are to protect and uphold the Constitution at all costs.

 

[naomi 360]

Do you feel they have the right to protest at these funerals?

 

Yeah, I do. If they stay within the parameters (so much distance, etc) for demonstrations where they would be at.

 

They're not going to though.

[tikigods 76]

Yeah, I do. If they stay within the parameters (so much distance, etc) for demonstrations where they would be at.

 

They're not going to though.

 

Do you even think they show up?

[naomi 360]

Do you even think they show up?

Probably not. And 99% not out in the open congregating to the extent people realize who their little crowd is.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,292]

You can give up on expecting an intelligent conversation from tikigods or from recliner pilot. Probably on the wrong forum for an intelligent conversation.

I think everyone here is guilty of confusing difference of opinion with a lack of intellegence. I think tiki supported his side well even if i only part agree with it. And i was guilty of sounding condescending without a rational reason also.

 

As for the constitution comment

[tikigods 76]

Probably not. And 99% not out in the open congregating to the extent people realize who their little crowd is.

 

I agree.

[BudBro 183]

But if you people were capable of an intelligent debate, you choose not to show it. So maybe some other time when more intelligent acting posters enter the thread.

i missed the "righteous indignation" posts about the 3000 or so other babies that were killed on friday, not as a result of guns. nothing from you, gepetto, edjr, none of you. and i must've missed the "righteous indignation" posts on thursday about the 3000 or so killed on thursday, and the 3000 on wednesday, and tuesday and monday. i missed all of them throughout the year that have amounted to over 1 million babies that have been killed in 2012. hmmmm, that's odd, right? how can so much outrage be expressed when a gun was irresponsibly and illegally used, and not a word of outrage from any of "you people" about those other babies.

 

surely, you would like to have an "intelligent conversation" regarding the deaths of all children, right? or would you rather keep the intelligent debate just about the issues that suit your political agendas? surely, you would like to have an intelligent debate about the first amendment now, or is that only if you get to set the terms of that debate also?

[FeelingMN 273]

Osama Bin Laden killed people, bro .

 

Nor was he and American citizen.

 

Didn't the KKK kill a few folks here and there too?

 

Yet you include them and the WBC with Gandhi and MLK. Not sure I see the connection.

 

Also, I'm no historian but at the time when the Revolutionary War was fought.....didn't they cease fire to attend to the dead and wounded. Didn't they take time out of fighting to show some respect for casualities? Do you really think the founding fathers would smile upon protests at a funeral?

 

And if there were a law prohibiting protests at a funeral, do you think it would be unconstitutional? Do you think it somehow undermines something fundamental about America?

[NewbieJr 541]

If someone ever opened fire and killed about 30 or so of thesde Westboro Baprist asswholes at one of their funersl protests, he would become one of this country's biggest all-time heroes. 99% of the population would idolize the guy.

 

If one of these desparate whackos wants to truly be remembered and in history books, he should wipe out the Westboro Church, not a school or movie theater. He'd be remembered fondly, not as a villain.

[Little Rusty 18]

WBC are a bunch of evil assclowns most likely created by looney left to make "Christians" look bad.

[MDC 7,652]

WBC are a bunch of evil assclowns most likely created by looney left to make "Christians" look bad.

 

Your schtick has really run its course.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

WBC are a bunch of evil assclowns most likely created by looney left to make "Christians" look bad.

 

We would hardly need to go to that sort of trouble. They do fine making themselves look bad on their own. See...

 

Pedophile priests

Jerry Falwell

Mike huckabee

westboro baptist

Those nutty William Jeffers worshiping polygamy focks.

 

Etc. Ad nauseum

[Little Rusty 18]

Your schtick has really run its course.

you wish it was a schtick

[Little Rusty 18]

We would hardly need to go to that sort of trouble. They do fine making themselves look bad on their own. See...

 

Pedophile priests

Jerry Falwell

Mike huckabee

westboro baptist

Those nutty William Jeffers worshiping polygamy focks.

 

Etc. Ad nauseum

I didn't say they were they ONLY ones.

 

And what's wrong with Falwell & Huckabee? ......As far as I know they haven't said or done anything outside of what Christianity supports. And even if they did, they're imperfect humans too.

 

Unlike the evil idiots @ Westboro

[Voltaire 5,388]

If someone ever opened fire and killed about 30 or so of thesde Westboro Baprist asswholes at one of their funersl protests, he would become one of this country's biggest all-time heroes. 99% of the population would idolize the guy.

 

If one of these desparate whackos wants to truly be remembered and in history books, he should wipe out the Westboro Church, not a school or movie theater. He'd be remembered fondly, not as a villain.

See...that is exactly what they would want you to do. Then they are the victims and sue the sh1t out of you.

Maybe I can convince my dad to shoot them. He's completly un-sueable and could certainly use the hero status.

[tikigods 76]

Didn't the KKK kill a few folks here and there too?

 

Yet you include them and the WBC with Gandhi and MLK. Not sure I see the connection.

 

Also, I'm no historian but at the time when the Revolutionary War was fought.....didn't they cease fire to attend to the dead and wounded. Didn't they take time out of fighting to show some respect for casualities? Do you really think the founding fathers would smile upon protests at a funeral?

 

And if there were a law prohibiting protests at a funeral, do you think it would be unconstitutional? Do you think it somehow undermines something fundamental about America?

 

The individual members of the KKK I"m sure have killed people. I"m also sure Baptists have killed people. I'm also sure Indians have killed people. Pretty sure women have killed people. Does that negate the entire group's right to assemble? Does it strip away their freedom of speech because we don't like what they have to say?

 

I am a historian and I'm sure from time to time they took breaks to bury their dead. I'm not sure what your point is there. Do you think the founding fathers would approve of red tube.com? Or the end of slavery? Different time, different set of circumstances.

 

I'm sure a law protesting at a funeral would most certainly found unConstitutional much like flag burning laws were.

[Voltaire 5,388]

If someone ever opened fire and killed about 30 or so of thesde Westboro Baprist asswholes at one of their funersl protests, he would become one of this country's biggest all-time heroes. 99% of the population would idolize the guy.

 

If one of these desparate whackos wants to truly be remembered and in history books, he should wipe out the Westboro Church, not a school or movie theater. He'd be remembered fondly, not as a villain.

 

Thank You your honor.

 

After reviewing the confession, the video evidence, the eyewitness testimony, the fingerprints on the weapon, the receipts for the guns and ammo, and the facebook posting telling what he intended to do an hour before the incident, we the jury, after forty-five seconds of deliberation, unanimously find the accused not guilty on all charges.

[Lackman 0]

I like what I'm hearing. Anybody have an address for these Westboro folks? I'd like to send them a donation.

[MDC 7,652]

you wish it was a schtick

 

For your sake I do.

[FeelingMN 273]

The individual members of the KKK I"m sure have killed people. I"m also sure Baptists have killed people. I'm also sure Indians have killed people. Pretty sure women have killed people. Does that negate the entire group's right to assemble? Does it strip away their freedom of speech because we don't like what they have to say?

 

I am a historian and I'm sure from time to time they took breaks to bury their dead. I'm not sure what your point is there. Do you think the founding fathers would approve of red tube.com? Or the end of slavery? Different time, different set of circumstances.

 

I'm sure a law protesting at a funeral would most certainly found unConstitutional much like flag burning laws were.

 

The KKK is a hate group.....and yet you include them and WBC with Gandhi and MLK. Just trying to figure out your arbitrary classifications.

 

It really doesn't matter. All of them have the right to assemble....so not sure why you keep arguing that point. WBC can assemble....the question is, should they be allowed to assemble at a funeral? You seem to think the Constitution provides all of us the freedom to do anything we want as long as it's legal. I say that some things are morally wrong even if they're permitted.

 

There are certain limits on free speech. Don't see the damage in saying there should be a limit to where you can and cannot assemble. Funerals seem to be a logical consideration. But you wanna say anything goes.

 

Let WBC assemble on Main St Newtown. Let them go wherever they want as long as they allow suffering individuals grieve. The fact that you said the Constitution doesn't mention anything about grieving is pretty focking dim. It's just basic human focking decency. Imposing that limit on assembly does not damage the foundation of America. Not sure why you think it does.

[Lackman 0]

The KKK is a hate group.....and yet you include them and WBC with Gandhi and MLK. Just trying to figure out your arbitrary classifications.

 

It really doesn't matter. All of them have the right to assemble....so not sure why you keep arguing that point. WBC can assemble....the question is, should they be allowed to assemble at a funeral? You seem to think the Constitution provides all of us the freedom to do anything we want as long as it's legal. I say that some things are morally wrong even if they're permitted.

 

There are certain limits on free speech. Don't see the damage in saying there should be a limit to where you can and cannot assemble. Funerals seem to be a logical consideration. But you wanna say anything goes.

 

Let WBC assemble on Main St Newtown. Let them go wherever they want as long as they allow suffering individuals grieve. The fact that you said the Constitution doesn't mention anything about grieving is pretty focking dim. It's just basic human focking decency. Imposing that limit on assembly does not damage the foundation of America. Not sure why you think it does.

 

Abstract arbitrary morality and decency have nothing at all to do with concrete, defined freedom and rights.

 

Any limitations are an outrage.

[NewbieJr 541]

Abstract arbitrary morality and decency have nothing at all to do with concrete, defined freedom and rights.

 

Any limitations are an outrage.

What are your thoughts on yelling "fire!!" in a crowded movie house?

[Lackman 0]

What are your thoughts on yelling "fire!!" in a crowded movie house?

 

Funny and harmless.

 

More funner is actually starting the fire.

[Frank M 181]

you wish it was a schtick

 

That's the sad part. We suspect that it's not.

[Phurfur 70]

A bunch of posters wishing violent deaths on people demonstrating at funerals. I would say that puts you in a similar category as WBC.

[NewbieJr 541]

A bunch of posters wishing violent deaths on people demonstrating at funerals. I would say that puts you in a similar category as WBC.

I can live with that.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

A bunch of posters wishing violent deaths on people demonstrating at funerals. I would say that puts you in a similar category as WBC.

Libtards are very tolerant of free speech, as long as your speech agrees with their opinions.

[DankNuggs 305]

Libtards are very tolerant of free speech, as long as your speech agrees with their opinions.

Ya, funny the vitriol against Chick Fil-a.... But we must protect these azztards rights to inhumanely harrass grieving families

[FeelingMN 273]

Abstract arbitrary morality and decency have nothing at all to do with concrete, defined freedom and rights.

 

Any limitations are an outrage.

 

Says the guy who doesn't think folks should protest the Rush Limbaughs of the world when they say something stupid.

 

Ya, funny the vitriol against Chick Fil-a.... But we must protect these azztards rights to inhumanely harrass grieving families

 

So you think WBC is going too far by protesting a funeral? I agree. It's inhumane and goes against common human decency. People want to protect WBC's right for indecency, but then bemoan what's happening to our society.

[KSB2424 3,153]

If the U.S. Contstitution was always cut and dry as written then we really wouldn't need a U.S. Supreme Court now would we?

 

Freedom of speech does not include the right:

 

To incite actions that would harm others (e.g. shouting 'fire'in a crowded theater.). - Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 (1919).

 

To make or distribute obscene materials. Roth v. United States, 354 U.S. 476 (1957).

 

If WBC gets all the proper paperwork, is set up away from the site of the funeral or procession or families homes, and is not distrubiting what can be shown as 'obscene' material they they should have the right to peacefully protest.

 

However.... NO, you can't just say anything at anytime, anything you want in this country. Freedom of Speech isn't some liscense to say anything you want, at anytime. There are parameters.

[Lackman 0]

Says the guy who doesn't think folks should protest the Rush Limbaughs of the world when they say something stupid.

 

I would defend Rush Limbaugh's right to say whatever the fock he wants. You can always ignore it.

 

I would be against the morons who decide what is moral and what should be allowed as free speech on the air and then go threaten sponsors and businesses with their censorship ideals. "I don't like it so nobody should be able to enjoy it". Basically their arbitrary thoughts are how they want the rest of the world to feel as well.

 

I've been very consistent on this topic.

[Thornton Melon 639]

As far as I know, they don't actually disrupt funerals, or prevent access to funerals, right? They just gather at the entry to the cemetery and hold up signs saying "God hates phags", and that kind of stuff? So, they're exercising their rights, without infringing on anyone else's rights? Does that about sum it up?

 

Move along. Nothing to see here.....

[ZeroTolerance 584]

As far as I know, they don't actually disrupt funerals, or prevent access to funerals, right? They just gather at the entry to the cemetery and hold up signs saying "God hates phags", and that kind of stuff? So, they're exercising their rights, without infringing on anyone else's rights? Does that about sum it up?

 

Move along. Nothing to see here.....

Actually, during military funerals they hold signs saying "Soldiers Die, God Laughs", "Thank God For Dead Soldiers" etc. They also scream this garbage repeatedly at anyone who passes, including family members of said deceased soldier.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

How many times are these guys going to suck people in? It's clear free speech and they probably won't show anyway.

[NewbieJr 541]

As far as I know, they don't actually disrupt funerals, or prevent access to funerals, right? They just gather at the entry to the cemetery and hold up signs saying "God hates phags", and that kind of stuff? So, they're exercising their rights, without infringing on anyone else's rights? Does that about sum it up?

 

Move along. Nothing to see here.....

No one is claiming they should be arrested. We're just hoping some mourning family member snaps one day and blows them all away.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

No one is claiming they should be arrested. We're just hoping some mourning family member snaps one day and blows them all away.

Sack up and do it yourself, toughguy.