Kopy 571 Posted April 4, 2013 Projects are probably what we're looking at. Without a 1 and 4. I don't see us taking a QB at 2 or 3. I think both of those picks are guys who play immediatly for us. Then with 2, 5's, and so on. That's when we're looking at our backup's and future players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkfin 32 Posted April 4, 2013 I'm sure Hawkfin will give his thoughts on the position at some point after doing his research. I'm still putting my board together. The two commons names associated with going to Seattle are Tyler Wilson and Matt Scott. Now, Wilson was a bit banged up this year, but ultimately was very disappointing in leading a very disappointing Arkansas team. He can sling it, sometimes when he shouldn't, and has the mobility of an apartment building. He seems to project to be in the 2nd round. Another 2nd round QB is Ryan Nassib, who I liked in Syracuse. Somewhat mobile, accurate, smart, but you have to think Buffalo grabs him in the 2nd round, as his college coach is the Bills coach. Matt Scott has some speed and ran a read option under Rich Rodriguez in Arizona. However, that was for just one season. Scott is questionable at decision making and footwork and is a huge project who will go in the 4th or 5th round. A couple of guys that I watched in college that I liked, who may or may not translate well to Seattle specifically, that will go very late in the draft and are people to keep an eye on. Colby Cameron from LA Tech, incredible numbers running the Sonny Dykes wide open system, very accurate, efficient, won't throw picks as he set an NCAA record for amount of passes in a row without a pick, better than expected arm strength, short in size. This is the guy I want the Seahawks to take a close look at. Alex Carder from Western Michigan, had a very productive career, fought through some finger injuries last year, lost all of his supporting cast this year at line and skill positions so he is under the radar, good numbers, good size, decent arm Yeah, this is a great post. I agree with the views, and this is what I'm hearing too. I havn't done my QB's evaluations yet myself, but I will try and get them to you guy's if possible. I still need to post my CB's. I'll do that later today. I agree that Scott and Wilson are the two I keep hearing about. Scott seems like the perfect fit to come in and do what Wilson does. He had good numbers overall too and is in for a visit. But, I still have a lot of research to do. A guy that's not talked about much at all anymore, that was a border line top QB before this last year, is Landry Jones. Like I said, lots of research still to do. But, he kind of peaks my interest. I'm also hearing Mike Glennon and Tyler Bray for a lot of likes. EJ Manuel has issues, but I've seen his name too. P.S. I would probably stay clear though if you were talking F.F. prospects? The only guy that would be on my rador is Geno Smith. I think this QB class is pretty bad. And I do not like Barkley! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkfin 32 Posted April 4, 2013 Projects are probably what we're looking at. Without a 1 and 4. I don't see us taking a QB at 2 or 3. I think both of those picks are guys who play immediatly for us. Then with 2, 5's, and so on. That's when we're looking at our backup's and future players. I thought we still had a 4th? Am I wrong on that? And we have two 5th's I believe. I think we could take a QB anywhere, but I prefer to maybe do it after the 3rd somewhere and maybe with one of those extra 5th's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkfin 32 Posted April 4, 2013 I thought we still had a 4th? Am I wrong on that? And we have two 5th's I believe. I think we could take a QB anywhere, but I prefer to maybe do it after the 3rd somewhere and maybe with one of those extra 5th's. Draft picks: #56 - 2nd round #87 - 3rd round #123 - 4th round (We do have a 4th.. Maybe just a miss print on your part) #138 - 5th round (from oakland) #158 - 5th round #194 - 6th round #214 - 7th round (from bills)#220 - 7th round (Traded away) #231 - 7th round #241 - 7th round (compensatory) #242 - 7th round (compensatory) WOW, I did not know we had all those 7th rounders. I think this site is up to date that I used. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted April 4, 2013 The 4th in the Harvin deal is next year's pick. We gave up our 1st round pick and one of our 7th round picks from this year. Next year, no 4th, but two 5ths. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kopy 571 Posted April 4, 2013 Draft picks: #56 - 2nd round #87 - 3rd round #123 - 4th round (We do have a 4th.. Maybe just a miss print on your part) #138 - 5th round (from oakland) #158 - 5th round #194 - 6th round #214 - 7th round (from bills) #220 - 7th round (from saints) #231 - 7th round #241 - 7th round (compensatory) #242 - 7th round (compensatory) WOW, I did not know we had all those 7th rounders. I think this site is up to date that I used. I'm sure your right. I made my post without checking our draft status. I had thought we traded that round away at some point. Glad we didn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted April 4, 2013 Draft picks: #56 - 2nd round #87 - 3rd round #123 - 4th round (We do have a 4th.. Maybe just a miss print on your part) #138 - 5th round (from oakland) #158 - 5th round #194 - 6th round #214 - 7th round (from bills) #220 - 7th round (from saints) #231 - 7th round #241 - 7th round (compensatory) #242 - 7th round (compensatory) WOW, I did not know we had all those 7th rounders. I think this site is up to date that I used. Delete #214. That went away in the Harvin deal. Total of 10 picks as of right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kopy 571 Posted April 4, 2013 The 4th in the Harvin deal is next year's pick. We gave up our 1st round pick and one of our 7th round picks from this year. Next year, no 4th, but two 5ths. Yeah I know. I got a lot of beer in me right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kopy 571 Posted April 4, 2013 Am I the only guy worried about not having a Kicker at this point? We have some smuck I never even heard of, and probably a draft pick? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkfin 32 Posted April 4, 2013 The 4th in the Harvin deal is next year's pick. We gave up our 1st round pick and one of our 7th round picks from this year. Next year, no 4th, but two 5ths. Good catch, thanks. Wasn't it a 3rd next year in the Harvin trade, instead of a 4th. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted April 4, 2013 Good catch, thanks. Wasn't it a 3rd next year in the Harvin trade, instead of a 4th. Really? I thought it was initially widely reported that next year's mid round draft pick was a 4th. Is it being reported as a 3rd? That's troubling, as that makes the trade worse than originally perceived. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Groundhog 24 Posted April 4, 2013 Am I the only guy worried about not having a Kicker at this point? We have some smuck I never even heard of, and probably a draft pick? This is one thing I am not worried about. There were six kickers last year who kicked at least 30 FG over the course of the season: Blair Walsh - 6th rd pick Matt Bryant - UFA Lawrence Tynes - UFA Jason Hanson - 2nd rd pick (!) Sebastian Janikowski - 1st rd pick (!!) Justin Tucker - UFA So in 4 of 6 cases, the guys who hit the most field goals were either low draft picks or available on the street after the draft. The fact that the Lions and Raiders picked a kicker in high-value rounds says more about those organizations than it does about the kickers themselves. Of course, this doesn't say much about whether kickers can deliver booming kickoffs that give the other team crappy field position. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkfin 32 Posted April 4, 2013 Really? I thought it was initially widely reported that next year's mid round draft pick was a 4th. Is it being reported as a 3rd? That's troubling, as that makes the trade worse than originally perceived. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/21861980/vikings-and-seahawks-make-percy-harvin-trade-official This say's third rounder..... I never heard it was a 4th rounder. I don't think it makes it worse. P. Harvin is special, and will be HUGE for us. We have plenty of draft picks. I still really like the move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Gladstone 33 Posted April 4, 2013 I just read on Rotoworld that with Buffalo probably drafting somebody and Kolb in town, our boy Tarvaris Jackson would be 3rd string at best. Why can't we just wait for them to cut him this summer? If Wilson goes on IR we aren't going anywhere anyways. We could win a few games with TJax back in familiar surroundings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted April 4, 2013 I just read on Rotoworld that with Buffalo probably drafting somebody and Kolb in town, our boy Tarvaris Jackson would be 3rd string at best. Why can't we just wait for them to cut him this summer? If Wilson goes on IR we aren't going anywhere anyways. We could win a few games with TJax back in familiar surroundings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Groundhog 24 Posted April 5, 2013 Another 3 weeks to go until the draft. This seems like as good a time as any to get the blood pumping with THIS: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkfin 32 Posted April 5, 2013 My CB's rated if you would like to see: 1st round grade: 1. Dee Millner - Stud, shutdown type. Really like him. Not much needs to be said. 2. Xavier Rhodes - Stud, little more risky. But solid. 3. Jamar Taylor - 4.39, 5'11, 22 bench - "Fast on tape" - Shows great bump and run. Great in coverage. decent to good in run support and his bench shows his power. Small school. We upgraded him with high marks to make 1st round grade. 2nd round grade: 4. Desmond Trufant - Would be a great nickel corner with possible shut down skills. Good in coverage, Swift, and throws his body out there in run support even though I'm not that high on it. He was better tested the year before with 14 pd's, and then his stats dropped off his Sr year. I'm sure they started to go away from him. Pro pedigree. Could be a 1st round grade, but I was never that much of a fan of our Trufant actually. I know he played a lot of good years for us and I'm not going to argue that he wasn't a solid pro, but I felt he was always overrated. I see similar things with Desmond. I think he's prone to getting beat or fouls. 5. Logan Ryan - 6'0, 190, 93 tackels! - Fast, Swift, and good in coverage. High production with 17/14 Pd's in 2 years, 4 int's. He would make a good nickel corner worse case. Very good against the run/tackles. Can get beat deep sometimes and get turned around from what I saw on tape. But overall, very good with some decent size to him. Bad bump and run. Small school could have inflated stats maybe? 6. Johnathon Banks - 6'2, 185 - I was higher on him then my Bro. I think the stats and skinny body frame and poor speed time at combine gave him a bad feel for his taste. I agreed, but his tape looked pretty good. We agreed to put him here. The other negative was that he always seemed to give a big cushion and no press. But, he's tall and a playmaker and he jumps super high and attacks the ball. Seems like slow lateral and not shifty, but overall has some speed for coverage. Good run supporter. He doesn't make a good nickel corner, (Which I think is more our need) but he is more viable for a pure starter to take over for Browner some day. Could be a boom or bust pick possibly. 3rd round grade: 7. Sanders Commings - 6'2, 216, 4.41!! - We put major high marks on him as he was rated so low when we started. He was originally our sleeper and had him pegged in the 4-5 round or something. We loved him so much that we just went ahead and put him at the top of our 3rd list. I'm actually not sure where he's typically rated? This screams R. Sherman to us. Great size, big frame, and he runs an amazing 4.41. Then when you watch the tape he is massive looking, but shows his speed. He's quick all around. Then I watched the Tenn tape, and he took on Patterson and was all over him and manned him up. That is some speed and height he covered there. He matches up against the #1's/speed. His coverage is real good. I think he might make a first round grade actually and be a #1 corner, but his value/draft stock fits here. He tackles with power, so I think he can be good. But, this might be the one area where he could struggle. The production is the biggest problem maybe. Pretty low stats across the board is the other issue. Plays for Georgia so he's faced some good wides. We really like. High marks. Love to land him in the 4th or even later? 8. Leon McFadden - 5'10(I heard a bit smaller), 193, 4.54 - Ok, well, everything measurable say's no. Speed say's no, etc. But, we loved his tape. To us, he was a "perfect" nickel corner to take on small shifty guy's like Welker types. He's got potential to be a shutdown even. This guy just seemed super smart to us, and we thought the best zone def reader out there. He sat in his zones, but always stepped up perfectly and even covered multiple guy's at a time. Saw this over and over. However, he also showed press coverage at times too. He looked fast on tape, so maybe he's got the shiftiness about him or faster then he times. I'm thinking he just doesn't have the "long speed" (cause he's short , but he seems fast. He really does good run support too, and throws his body around with purpose. He reminded me of when I saw E. Thomas tackle on tape. Looked really good for a little guy. 61 tackles supports it, 12 PD, 3 int's. Put high marks on him, but later I heard he's 5'9. I'm not sure about that? Either way, if he goes late. Perfect little corner for our nickel packages and zones that I hate so much. (I think shuttle and 3 cone was fast to support his shiftiness) 9. David Amerson- 6'3, 194, 4.4!! - Maybe this guy should be ahead of the above two. Tall and fast. But, we were not as impressed by the tape. He plays way deep, and never in press coverage. With that speed, I don't understand? Maybe it's just what they do? 55 tackles, but he didn't stand out very well in run support and did a lot of arm tackles and missed a good number that we saw. 13 Int's! 5 pd's. So this number was pretty impressive. He's a "Playmaker and always jumps routes, plays big" He seemed raw to us in coverage, and I wonder if that is why he plays so deep which concerns me. He did have seasoned stats. He's a solid prospect and I could understand a much higher ranking. (Put a high star mark on him) 10. Robert Alfford - 5'10, 186, 4.39!! - Another super fast guy that looks good. But, he had bad overall stats and had injury history. We think he could be a injury prone player. Does good bump and run though and good run support. He's a solid player if healthy and also deserves a higher ranking probably. We were impressed overall, but did not add a star on him. 4th round grade: 11. DJ Hayden - 5'11, 192 - 60 tackles 8/11 Pd's, 2 years of good production - No combine. This is another guy we kind of liked and could be considered higher. Good coverage/Nickle or starter. Quick and fast so I'm sure he would time well. We see he works really hard and will cover the top WR's. Major potential here, but we saw him beat deep way to much. He battled Patton (top 8 WR's I ranked) all game long and it was fun to watch. He knocked him out for awhile, but then Patton lit him up. Other games he was good, but still got beat at times. He was always right there, but beat. His run support is a little weak to us. He will make plays and he's very well tested. (We put a like mark on him) 12. Dwayne Gratz - 6'1, 198, 4.47!, 22 bench! - Great combine and size, etc.54 tack, 11 pd's, 3 int's. He looks very solid on tape. Looked fast and is a nice coverage guy. Nothing stood out about him and don't see a major playmaker or anything, but he was solid all around. I'm kind of interested in going back on him to evaluated again. (Put a like mark on him too) 13. Jordan Poyer - 6'0, 182, 4.54 - 50 tackles, 7 int's, 7/12 pd's - Another solid so so player. The int's were nice, but weak at run support. Showed so so coverage, but gives big gap. Not much press coverage and to much zone. He did do punt return so he's got some skill and speed to him. Maybe a good nickel corner. Doesn't blitz much at all. No mark given to him, but seemed solid for a 4th round grade. 5th round grade: 14. Darius Slay - 6'1, 190, 4.36!! - 41 tack, 6 pd's, 5 int's. Very fast guy, and with that size and speed deserves special attention. But, no man or press. Sits in a zone and very deep. Looks timid and weak at times and not a great run support. Didn't like the tape so much, but there is potential flashing. 15. Terry Hawthorne - 6'0, 190, 4.44! - 43 tack, 4 pd's, 1 int - Low production, but he works real hard in run support. Lots of tape showing great run support. He hustles with a fast motor. I was shocked on the low production considering so much tape on his run support. Not much in coverage? Which concerns me. And those stats are real low. What we saw on tape we liked, but we need to see more coverage tape. We were getting a little tired by this time and couldn't find much. Potential is there. 16. Johney Adams - 5'11, 177, 4.48! - Average stats, average coverage skills, small school. Seems thin. I'm thinking the small school with all this average is not a great mix. The speed kept him here. But, what we did like was he was solid in bump and run and did it often. 6th-7th round grade: 17. Will Davis - 6'0, 182, 4.51 - 74 tack!!, 17 pd's!!, 5 Int's! - He even covered Patton and held his own. So really, he should be right there with DJ Hayden. Amazing stats. He was rated really low, so this is why we have him here. He's a coverage guy and tries to bump and run. Misses the bump sometimes, but stays with the guy. He holds a lot, and this was our biggest issue. The speed lacks, even though it looks decent on tape. The holding might be the big problem, but he plays aggressive at least. (Gave a like mark) 18. T. Simon - 6'3, 187, 4.51 - 45 tack, 8 pd's, 4 int's - Shows coverage, looks slow. Weak on run support. This frame. Press coverage not bad. Has great size. 19. Blid, Wreh Wilson - 6'2, 190, 4.53 -47 tack, 9pd's, 1 int. - Not shifty and looks slow. We down graded him really far compared to where others have him. Not a big fan and didn't like the tape that much. Shows some decent coverage so maybe were hard on him. But, the speed just didn't seem there. Production not that great. Sleepers with a high like mark: 20. Josh Johnson 21. Rod Sweeting Wow - I felt like a wrote a book. Tried to be brief, but as detailed as I could. We LOVED this class! There will be studs and potential across the board. The speed and size is amazing. There is lots to like. I actually at one time, didn't even want a CB drafted. Now, I wouldn't mind getting 2 of them. I do think we need a good nickel corner and future Browner replacement. I'd like to get one anywhere from the 3rd on down and even the 2nd could hold value. We could also wait and get a really good one or two. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted April 6, 2013 My CB's rated if you would like to see: 1st round grade: 1. Dee Millner - Stud, shutdown type. Really like him. Not much needs to be said. 2. Xavier Rhodes - Stud, little more risky. But solid. 3. Jamar Taylor - 4.39, 5'11, 22 bench - "Fast on tape" - Shows great bump and run. Great in coverage. decent to good in run support and his bench shows his power. Small school. We upgraded him with high marks to make 1st round grade. 2nd round grade: 4. Desmond Trufant - Would be a great nickel corner with possible shut down skills. Good in coverage, Swift, and throws his body out there in run support even though I'm not that high on it. He was better tested the year before with 14 pd's, and then his stats dropped off his Sr year. I'm sure they started to go away from him. Pro pedigree. Could be a 1st round grade, but I was never that much of a fan of our Trufant actually. I know he played a lot of good years for us and I'm not going to argue that he wasn't a solid pro, but I felt he was always overrated. I see similar things with Desmond. I think he's prone to getting beat or fouls. 5. Logan Ryan - 6'0, 190, 93 tackels! - Fast, Swift, and good in coverage. High production with 17/14 Pd's in 2 years, 4 int's. He would make a good nickel corner worse case. Very good against the run/tackles. Can get beat deep sometimes and get turned around from what I saw on tape. But overall, very good with some decent size to him. Bad bump and run. Small school could have inflated stats maybe? 6. Johnathon Banks - 6'2, 185 - I was higher on him then my Bro. I think the stats and skinny body frame and poor speed time at combine gave him a bad feel for his taste. I agreed, but his tape looked pretty good. We agreed to put him here. The other negative was that he always seemed to give a big cushion and no press. But, he's tall and a playmaker and he jumps super high and attacks the ball. Seems like slow lateral and not shifty, but overall has some speed for coverage. Good run supporter. He doesn't make a good nickel corner, (Which I think is more our need) but he is more viable for a pure starter to take over for Browner some day. Could be a boom or bust pick possibly. 3rd round grade: 7. Sanders Commings - 6'2, 216, 4.41!! - We put major high marks on him as he was rated so low when we started. He was originally our sleeper and had him pegged in the 4-5 round or something. We loved him so much that we just went ahead and put him at the top of our 3rd list. I'm actually not sure where he's typically rated? This screams R. Sherman to us. Great size, big frame, and he runs an amazing 4.41. Then when you watch the tape he is massive looking, but shows his speed. He's quick all around. Then I watched the Tenn tape, and he took on Patterson and was all over him and manned him up. That is some speed and height he covered there. He matches up against the #1's/speed. His coverage is real good. I think he might make a first round grade actually and be a #1 corner, but his value/draft stock fits here. He tackles with power, so I think he can be good. But, this might be the one area where he could struggle. The production is the biggest problem maybe. Pretty low stats across the board is the other issue. Plays for Georgia so he's faced some good wides. We really like. High marks. Love to land him in the 4th or even later? 8. Leon McFadden - 5'10(I heard a bit smaller), 193, 4.54 - Ok, well, everything measurable say's no. Speed say's no, etc. But, we loved his tape. To us, he was a "perfect" nickel corner to take on small shifty guy's like Welker types. He's got potential to be a shutdown even. This guy just seemed super smart to us, and we thought the best zone def reader out there. He sat in his zones, but always stepped up perfectly and even covered multiple guy's at a time. Saw this over and over. However, he also showed press coverage at times too. He looked fast on tape, so maybe he's got the shiftiness about him or faster then he times. I'm thinking he just doesn't have the "long speed" (cause he's short , but he seems fast. He really does good run support too, and throws his body around with purpose. He reminded me of when I saw E. Thomas tackle on tape. Looked really good for a little guy. 61 tackles supports it, 12 PD, 3 int's. Put high marks on him, but later I heard he's 5'9. I'm not sure about that? Either way, if he goes late. Perfect little corner for our nickel packages and zones that I hate so much. (I think shuttle and 3 cone was fast to support his shiftiness) 9. David Amerson- 6'3, 194, 4.4!! - Maybe this guy should be ahead of the above two. Tall and fast. But, we were not as impressed by the tape. He plays way deep, and never in press coverage. With that speed, I don't understand? Maybe it's just what they do? 55 tackles, but he didn't stand out very well in run support and did a lot of arm tackles and missed a good number that we saw. 13 Int's! 5 pd's. So this number was pretty impressive. He's a "Playmaker and always jumps routes, plays big" He seemed raw to us in coverage, and I wonder if that is why he plays so deep which concerns me. He did have seasoned stats. He's a solid prospect and I could understand a much higher ranking. (Put a high star mark on him) 10. Robert Alfford - 5'10, 186, 4.39!! - Another super fast guy that looks good. But, he had bad overall stats and had injury history. We think he could be a injury prone player. Does good bump and run though and good run support. He's a solid player if healthy and also deserves a higher ranking probably. We were impressed overall, but did not add a star on him. 4th round grade: 11. DJ Hayden - 5'11, 192 - 60 tackles 8/11 Pd's, 2 years of good production - No combine. This is another guy we kind of liked and could be considered higher. Good coverage/Nickle or starter. Quick and fast so I'm sure he would time well. We see he works really hard and will cover the top WR's. Major potential here, but we saw him beat deep way to much. He battled Patton (top 8 WR's I ranked) all game long and it was fun to watch. He knocked him out for awhile, but then Patton lit him up. Other games he was good, but still got beat at times. He was always right there, but beat. His run support is a little weak to us. He will make plays and he's very well tested. (We put a like mark on him) 12. Dwayne Gratz - 6'1, 198, 4.47!, 22 bench! - Great combine and size, etc.54 tack, 11 pd's, 3 int's. He looks very solid on tape. Looked fast and is a nice coverage guy. Nothing stood out about him and don't see a major playmaker or anything, but he was solid all around. I'm kind of interested in going back on him to evaluated again. (Put a like mark on him too) 13. Jordan Poyer - 6'0, 182, 4.54 - 50 tackles, 7 int's, 7/12 pd's - Another solid so so player. The int's were nice, but weak at run support. Showed so so coverage, but gives big gap. Not much press coverage and to much zone. He did do punt return so he's got some skill and speed to him. Maybe a good nickel corner. Doesn't blitz much at all. No mark given to him, but seemed solid for a 4th round grade. 5th round grade: 14. Darius Slay - 6'1, 190, 4.36!! - 41 tack, 6 pd's, 5 int's. Very fast guy, and with that size and speed deserves special attention. But, no man or press. Sits in a zone and very deep. Looks timid and weak at times and not a great run support. Didn't like the tape so much, but there is potential flashing. 15. Terry Hawthorne - 6'0, 190, 4.44! - 43 tack, 4 pd's, 1 int - Low production, but he works real hard in run support. Lots of tape showing great run support. He hustles with a fast motor. I was shocked on the low production considering so much tape on his run support. Not much in coverage? Which concerns me. And those stats are real low. What we saw on tape we liked, but we need to see more coverage tape. We were getting a little tired by this time and couldn't find much. Potential is there. 16. Johney Adams - 5'11, 177, 4.48! - Average stats, average coverage skills, small school. Seems thin. I'm thinking the small school with all this average is not a great mix. The speed kept him here. But, what we did like was he was solid in bump and run and did it often. 6th-7th round grade: 17. Will Davis - 6'0, 182, 4.51 - 74 tack!!, 17 pd's!!, 5 Int's! - He even covered Patton and held his own. So really, he should be right there with DJ Hayden. Amazing stats. He was rated really low, so this is why we have him here. He's a coverage guy and tries to bump and run. Misses the bump sometimes, but stays with the guy. He holds a lot, and this was our biggest issue. The speed lacks, even though it looks decent on tape. The holding might be the big problem, but he plays aggressive at least. (Gave a like mark) 18. T. Simon - 6'3, 187, 4.51 - 45 tack, 8 pd's, 4 int's - Shows coverage, looks slow. Weak on run support. This frame. Press coverage not bad. Has great size. 19. Blid, Wreh Wilson - 6'2, 190, 4.53 -47 tack, 9pd's, 1 int. - Not shifty and looks slow. We down graded him really far compared to where others have him. Not a big fan and didn't like the tape that much. Shows some decent coverage so maybe were hard on him. But, the speed just didn't seem there. Production not that great. Sleepers with a high like mark: 20. Josh Johnson 21. Rod Sweeting Wow - I felt like a wrote a book. Tried to be brief, but as detailed as I could. We LOVED this class! There will be studs and potential across the board. The speed and size is amazing. There is lots to like. I actually at one time, didn't even want a CB drafted. Now, I wouldn't mind getting 2 of them. I do think we need a good nickel corner and future Browner replacement. I'd like to get one anywhere from the 3rd on down and even the 2nd could hold value. We could also wait and get a really good one or two. No Honeybadger? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkfin 32 Posted April 6, 2013 No Honeybadger? Nope, Didn't like him so he didn't make our personal list. There were to many other good CB's that we liked far ahead of him. To us, he's got issues and he's not that good to begin with. Just lots of hype/combine. IMO way to many red flags and coverage skills overall weak. I don't have my full notes, but he dropped out and would have been at the bottom of this list. We just went ahead and crossed him out, like some others too. I know that might not be a popular view. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted April 7, 2013 Seahawks holding auditon for backup QB: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/report-seahawks-check-four-potential-193020794--nfl.html I vote for Wallace or Thigpen. Fock Quinn and Leinart. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted April 7, 2013 Nope, Didn't like him so he didn't make our personal list. There were to many other good CB's that we liked far ahead of him. To us, he's got issues and he's not that good to begin with. Just lots of hype/combine. IMO way to many red flags and coverage skills overall weak. I don't have my full notes, but he dropped out and would have been at the bottom of this list. We just went ahead and crossed him out, like some others too. I know that might not be a popular view. Question to you wannabe GMs. When you make your "boards" do you create it with the current makeup of this Seahawks team in mind or in terms of the NFL overall. JS & PC look at players quite differently than most so if you are doing this to try and figure what Seattle will do in the draft it will be an exercise in futility and you will just be pissed off during the draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkfin 32 Posted April 8, 2013 Question to you wannabe GMs. When you make your "boards" do you create it with the current makeup of this Seahawks team in mind or in terms of the NFL overall. JS & PC look at players quite differently than most so if you are doing this to try and figure what Seattle will do in the draft it will be an exercise in futility and you will just be pissed off during the draft. I do both... I base it off the overall quality of the player and what I see on tape, stats, combine, etc. So it wouldn't be just Seahawks related. But, I always have our team in mind too. However, I'll also give more value to a guy that might be of our interest also. Such as, if we need a nickel corner and not necessarily a #1 then I might look at a small shifty guy more then I normally would. And I will also look at a position harder IF it fits our need. Example of this, is I had WR as our #1 need this year. So I evaluated them hard. Seahawks to me, also saw this as a major need and they went out and got Harvin. I mean you can look at that 2 different ways. Sure, I'm wrong with what we did, however I was right about the position of need. We were "close" and on the same lines of thinking. I'm not expecting them to draft according to me. I'm no scout. That being said, guy's I've liked have really done well. And SINCE this FO got in, they have hit a lot more of me and my bro's picks more then EVER before. I used to never be right. Now, I've hit some and the position usually is right. To name a few: Earl Thomas (He was my #1 safety, over Berry), Golden Tate, R. Wilson, Chanchler was on my list. Also, they drafted two positions that I wanted but just the wrong guy. (Irvin was suppose to be W. Mercules, and Carpenter was suppose to be the dude bears got) But, the positions were actually right. I'm not expecting them to draft what I rank. But as a fan, I have the right to get mad if it's not want I was hoping for. I give it the benefit of the doubt and do further research on who we do pick. So I was mad at the Irvin and Carpenter picks, and really to me, I still am not that wrong about that. I really liked the rest of our draft last year. R. Wilson was my top 5 QB and way ahead of Tannehill. Kuechly was the LB I liked the most, and look what he did. Hightower I liked, and he started for NE and did well. BUT, after I looked at our LB I loved the pick. I just couldn't find much tape on him at the time, so he was a guy I hadn't really rated much. But, his speed was amazing and I did find tape eventually on him. Loved the RB too and he was on my list also. Moffitt I loved too. We didn't think it was a need though. CJ Spiller was another guy I was super high on. Look how he's turning out. When we didn't land Spiller that year, we went out and got L. Washington and Lynch. I was happy, and to me it felt SPiller was in fact on there list. I was wrong on Mallett, but he never got much of a chance yet. BUT, NE drafted him who's a good drafter. Bottom line: Me and my brother have much fun doing it. It's our hobby. It does help us in our F.F. leagues too. And I think it really is something we enjoy and would love to have as an actual job. We love the Hawks and part of the fun of the draft for us, is this whole experience in rooting for certain guy's, positions, and seeing if we were right, etc. I actually don't think this FO is that off the wall with there picks. They are right on point with the position of need. There first round picks have been a little off to me, but then again, those aren't there best one's either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted April 8, 2013 Question to you wannabe GMs. When you make your "boards" do you create it with the current makeup of this Seahawks team in mind or in terms of the NFL overall. JS & PC look at players quite differently than most so if you are doing this to try and figure what Seattle will do in the draft it will be an exercise in futility and you will just be pissed off during the draft. It's everything. You have to make a big board to anticipate the overall value of a player in relation to the entire league, while making slight adjustments to fit team needs. Value, value, value. A team can sit back and just draft guys they love. The problem is getting the proper value for that guy in the game of poker being played. If you reach, you pass on other talented guys that you might have been able to get in addition to the guy you love. Classic example: Schneider wanted to grab Russell Wilson in the 2nd round last year. Carroll talked him out of it and told him to wait. So, they took Bobby Wagner and still got Wilson in the 3rd. Just getting Wilson in the 2nd would have been fine in the postmortem, despite my bellyaching for weeks over the blunder, but they got another decent player in Wagner in addition to the guy they wanted. Wilson was more of a 4th round guy, and I didn't like the pick in the 3rd anyway, but at least they didn't panic and semi-reached for a guy they coveted and didn't toss away the value of the 2nd round pick. In the recent past, it was much more important to get as many talented players aboard a roster lacking basic talent. Now, you can do some more cherry picking to fill specific needs. As long as it's within the realm of projected average draft slot. So, don't reach for a punter in 3rd round and I won't hurt myself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted April 8, 2013 Antoine Winfield is being given a look for a nickel back role and depth. On the down side, the guy is old. On the good side, he is still one of the most effective tacklers in the game at run support and can still thump. The saturation of veteran defensive backs this offseason could lead to a modest deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted April 8, 2013 Seahawks holding auditon for backup QB: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/report-seahawks-check-four-potential-193020794--nfl.html I vote for Wallace or Thigpen. Fock Quinn and Leinart. I hope all of them are in the same car as it catches on fire and falls off a cliff into a volcano filled with volcano alligators. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted April 9, 2013 Say hello to Brady Quinn, backup QB. And thus then dispelling the myth that Seattle wanted to bring in a QB to be able to run a read option. I'd rather have kept Flynn. Eh, yadda, yadda, yadda, spilled milk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted April 10, 2013 Say hello to Brady Quinn, backup QB. And thus then dispelling the myth that Seattle wanted to bring in a QB to be able to run a read option. I'd rather have kept Flynn. Eh, yadda, yadda, yadda, spilled milk. Doesn't mean he will be on the final roster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kopy 571 Posted April 10, 2013 Doesn't mean he will be on the final roster. Hope not. I would've just stuck with Portis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted April 10, 2013 Doesn't mean he will be on the final roster. While this is true, it's most likely Quinn is going to be the #2 while Portis fights with whomever they may draft for the final spot. Then again, they carried only 2 QBs for most of last season, so it might just be Wilson and Quinn. It's hard to envision a team cutting a decent QB in the next few months that would cost very little to sign, and Quinn I guess is the best of the underwhelming garbage floating around in free agency. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted April 10, 2013 While this is true, it's most likely Quinn is going to be the #2 while Portis fights with whomever they may draft for the final spot. Then again, they carried only 2 QBs for most of last season, so it might just be Wilson and Quinn. It's hard to envision a team cutting a decent QB in the next few months that would cost very little to sign, and Quinn I guess is the best of the underwhelming garbage floating around in free agency. I think it depends on what they do in the draft. I can see a scenario where they draft say a Matt Scott and just go with Wilson and Scott. I don't think Quinn is a slam dunk to be on the roster, at least I hope not. I can't stand him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Gladstone 33 Posted April 10, 2013 No matter what happens Seattle should have the most handsome QB duo in the league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fantasy Noob 10 Posted April 10, 2013 I miss the clip board jesus. Mainly because that is my favorite nickname of all time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uwmalcolm 74 Posted April 10, 2013 ESPN's Ed Werder reports the Seahawks are "closing in" on signing free agent CB Antoine Winfield. It would mean the aggressive 'Hawks beat out the Vikings and Redskins for Winfield's services, who both have bigger needs at cornerback. Although he's going on 36, Winfield remains one of the league's best nickel corners. Winfield would be a big upgrade on Marcus Trufant, and make for one of the league's most imposing CB trios alongside Richard Sherman and Brandon Browner. Per rotoworld http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/259516/report-seattle-closing-in-on-cb-winfield Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted April 10, 2013 ESPN's Ed Werder reports the Seahawks are "closing in" on signing free agent CB Antoine Winfield. It would mean the aggressive 'Hawks beat out the Vikings and Redskins for Winfield's services, who both have bigger needs at cornerback. Although he's going on 36, Winfield remains one of the league's best nickel corners. Winfield would be a big upgrade on Marcus Trufant, and make for one of the league's most imposing CB trios alongside Richard Sherman and Brandon Browner. Per rotoworld http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/259516/report-seattle-closing-in-on-cb-winfield As much as I'm hoping for this, Minnesota is still alive in talks. So...does Winfield take less money and a shot at a ring, or a bigger paycheck? Damn, how awesome would it be to keep siphoning off the talent from Minnesota, short of AP? Never forget Hutchinson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uwmalcolm 74 Posted April 11, 2013 As much as I'm hoping for this, Minnesota is still alive in talks. So...does Winfield take less money and a shot at a ring, or a bigger paycheck? Damn, how awesome would it be to keep siphoning off the talent from Minnesota, short of AP? Never forget Hutchinson. Yeah, I almost didn't post it because I didn't want to jinx it. And it's not like the Vikings are a horrible team that makes it a no-brainer for him to leave for the Hawks. They aren't looking as strong as Seattle but could certainly make the playoffs with AD running for 3k yards on superhuman knees. Hopefully he took being cut by the Vikings personally and comes here to play with his buddy Percy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted April 11, 2013 Yeah, I almost didn't post it because I didn't want to jinx it. And it's not like the Vikings are a horrible team that makes it a no-brainer for him to leave for the Hawks. They aren't looking as strong as Seattle but could certainly make the playoffs with AD running for 3k yards on superhuman knees. Hopefully he took being cut by the Vikings personally and comes here to play with his buddy Percy Oh, you have to post it. It's definitely newsworthy. Geez, it might be the cherry on top of a sundae of extraordinary proportions of free agent activity without precedent. But I understand the need to temper the enthusiasm too. It's uncharted waters. From the latest news I've come across, Seattle still has twice the cap room of Minnesota left, about 9 million vs 4.5 million. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted April 11, 2013 Never forget Hutchinson. N-E-V-E-R F-O-R-G-E-T! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Gladstone 33 Posted April 11, 2013 The Vikings fans I know do not like the Seahawks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted April 12, 2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlf7sN2p59s SEPARATION BY PREPARATION Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uwmalcolm 74 Posted April 12, 2013 From rotoworld: Seahawks agreed to terms with CB Antoine Winfield, formerly of the Vikings, on a one-year contract. Winfield, 36 in June, picked the Seahawks over the Vikings and Redskins. His addition is a massive upgrade on injury-prone burn victim Marcus Trufant, who manned the slot for Seattle last season. Sandwiching Winfield between Richard Sherman and Brandon Browner gives Seattle arguably the top cornerback trio in the league. The Seahawks' roster has no holes outside of a questionable offensive line, and they're shaping up as the early Super Bowl favorite. Yeah buddy!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites