tanatastic 2,062 Posted February 11, 2014 So mike sam has come out as gay. He was projected as a 3rd-5th round pick in the draft. Im predicting he never sees an nfl down. Here is why...Teams will not want the media distraction and circus that will follow him every step of his career. Lets forget for a second that 90% of an nfl team will not want to play with him, nomatter what they say or tell the media. Its just fact, gangsters, thugs and rednecks dont like gay people. That is pretty much every nfl player besides the qbs and kickers, so he is out of luck. Is it right? No, its terrible, but its true. Ok so maybe it wont be 90, maybe just 50%. Im sorry to tell the tyruth but this kid ruined his career. No coach will want to touch him and risk getting blasted by the media if god forbid they have to cut him or reprimand him. That coach will immediately be branded a bigot and get hate mail. Sam will also be heckled and hazed 10x worse than that baby Martin on the dolphins. The hate he will get from opposing teams and fans will be too much for him to deal with. He MAY get drafted, this isnot guarabteed...but he may. If he does, I feel he wont make an opening day roster. Im sorry, I know this is hard for you all to hear and you want to belive it isnt true but mark my words. Everyone points to Jason Collins as an active player who has come out. collins isnT ACTIVE...he hasnt layed basketball since coming out. Yes I understand that hes old and wasnt even very good, so theres def football reasons behind it. But the fact remains he is not active so does not count as an active player in a major sport to come out. Sam is a great kid and very brave, but he has killed his career by coming out. He will never play a single down of nfl football. you heard it here first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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the spanker 28 Posted February 11, 2014 Sigh. The whole thing is just stupid. Who cares if you're gay? What are you proving by revealing your sexuality? That you get fame because you're the first to do it? What does it have to do with playing the game? I agree with the OP it's just a unnecessary distraction and some people are really getting fed up with hearing how gay people are heroes for coming out. It's like a bitter pill you have to stomach every time you hear about it, which is why someone like Sam will be heckled and won't have any peace going forward. Yeah he stated he had the support of his college brethren but he's in for a rude awakening, you're not in Kansas anymore Dorothy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,347 Posted February 11, 2014 So mike sam has come out as gay. He was projected as a 3rd-5th round pick in the draft. Im predicting he never sees an nfl down. Here is why...Teams will not want the media distraction and circus that will follow him every step of his career. Lets forget for a second that 90% of an nfl team will not want to play with him, nomatter what they say or tell the media. Its just fact, gangsters, thugs and rednecks dont like gay people. That is pretty much every nfl player besides the qbs and kickers, so he is out of luck. Is it right? No, its terrible, but its true. Ok so maybe it wont be 90, maybe just 50%. Im sorry to tell the tyruth but this kid ruined his career. No coach will want to touch him and risk getting blasted by the media if god forbid they have to cut him or reprimand him. That coach will immediately be branded a bigot and get hate mail. Sam will also be heckled and hazed 10x worse than that baby Martin on the dolphins. The hate he will get from opposing teams and fans will be too much for him to deal with. He MAY get drafted, this isnot guarabteed...but he may. If he does, I feel he wont make an opening day roster. Im sorry, I know this is hard for you all to hear and you want to belive it isnt true but mark my words. Everyone points to Jason Collins as an active player who has come out. collins isnT ACTIVE...he hasnt layed basketball since coming out. Yes I understand that hes old and wasnt even very good, so theres def football reasons behind it. But the fact remains he is not active so does not count as an active player in a major sport to come out. Sam is a great kid and very brave, but he has killed his career by coming out. He will never play a single down of nfl football. you heard it here fir brave for ? being brave is walking down the road here in reno where the local gangs live and inviting them to church and telling them and there kids about the lord . now thats brave . coming out before the nfl draft to tell everyone that you are gay is not brave thats just a choice . and a move to get more air time on tv and radio the kid is everywhere . now the person who's walking around knowing he will get yelled at and even chased after for spreading the lords name now thats a brave person . i for one dont care if he is gay or not gay i dont need to know . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnnybmoto 0 Posted February 11, 2014 He is exactly the kind of player a team like the Seahawks like to draft. If he slips towards the later rounds I would bet the hawks give him a chance, and you know once he gets there Pete will give him a shot at winning the job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
giraldi02 476 Posted February 11, 2014 Sigh. The whole thing is just stupid. Who cares if you're gay? I love naivety. Evidently...the entire NFL does. Why else were scouts and most team executives allegedly already aware that he was gay? Why else would teams ask prospects during the combine whether or not they have girlfriends? Seriously...it's like people read and absorb information and then instantly can't apply it to real life situations. If he doesn't take control of the situation, some Bleacher Report article does. If he doesn't arrange the story being publicized from ESPN and NY Times, then CBS Sportsline will. The difference between the two is major. By doing it himself, he's instantly viewed as stronger than those that kept it a secret. Imagine if he denied being gay until his third season in the NFL and came out then. Think of what some of those teammates (ie: John Vilma, Chris Culliver) would say post-fact. I don't care what happens between another person's sheets. I don't like seeing a man and a woman demonstrate PDA in front of me and I don't like seeing gay people do it (hot lesbian porn excluded). But here's how to deal with it. Don't read articles or watch the programs that are making this into a three ring circus. We already know all the details now that we need to. He's gay. I don't need to read about how he felt he became it, and any assumptions regarding his draft status is just the same as those of Johnny Manziel's. It's that simple. Just because you're inundated with it doesn't mean you have to click the article. Televisions have a mute button. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadLizard 73 Posted February 11, 2014 Honestly - this gay thing is starting to become the defacto for so many people. Just be gay and move on with your life. Why does it have to be news. Why does it have to be pushed on everyone? Why does everyone have to reveal their sexuality now, as if its s rite of passage or something? Its just gay, gay, and more gay. Ive yet to hear an athelete come "out" and say "by the way, Im hetero sexual and like chicks". Why not? Shouldnt we "celebrate" everyones sexuality? Why is it only gayness that has to be told to everyone? Its an awkward thing too for the the other players. Why? Because in the locker room you had better realize that a gay man standing next to you in your undies IS a little weird. I know, I know - damned right wing religious zealots. Yeah, whatever. The point is that its awkward and these folks should just keep it to themselves. But No - the "new" thing now is to harp on your gayness, make national news, get on The Ellen show, write a book, blah blah focking blah. So annoying now. And they wonder why people get tired of this? Its like we can ACCEPT your gayness but not all of us want to embrace it or whatever the buzzword is now. Just be gay but do it in privacy which is how regular folks do it. No one needs to know. Geeshus.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted February 11, 2014 He is exactly the kind of player a team like the Seahawks like to draft. If he slips towards the later rounds I would bet the hawks give him a chance, and you know once he gets there Pete will give him a shot at winning the job. Geez, man. The Seahawks already drafted Girl's Name at RB last year. You think they're going to add another one? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,783 Posted February 11, 2014 Goodell will move mountains to ensure that he plays at least one down. I doubt we will see a prolonged career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,996 Posted February 11, 2014 Michael Sam isn't infected with the Ebola virus - he's gay, that's it. The close mindedness of some people is beyond ignorant, sad really. This kid is an amazing football talent and (barring injury) this kid will enjoy a pretty productive NFL career. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,783 Posted February 11, 2014 Michael Sam isn't infected with the Ebola virus - he's gay, that's it. The close mindedness of some people is beyond ignorant, sad really. This kid is an amazing football talent and (barring injury) this kid will enjoy a pretty productive NFL career. Meh, at the end of the day he is a mid rounder who needs a position. Let's not let his gayness cloud our judgement in the other direction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikings4ever 568 Posted February 11, 2014 Michael Sam isn't infected with the Ebola virus - he's gay, that's it. The close mindedness of some people is beyond ignorant, sad really. This kid is an amazing football talent and (barring injury) this kid will enjoy a pretty productive NFL career. Except when he makes national news for his off the field stuff, it's not a case of "that's it". What's the over/under on the number of times his sexuality is talked about on the draft coverage? He's a middle round pick that lacks the prototypical size to be an end and may not have the abilities needed to be a LB. Some players overcome that, many don't. Add in a media circus, and there are certainly going to be teams that shy away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,996 Posted February 11, 2014 Except when he makes national news for his off the field stuff, it's not a case of "that's it". What's the over/under on the number of times his sexuality is talked about on the draft coverage? I'm betting Sam hopes it's not talked about at all. Any and all talk about it so far has only hurt, not helped, his draft position. But it will be talked about bcoz there are tons of ignorant focks who think homosexuality has anything to do with football ability. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikings4ever 568 Posted February 11, 2014 I'm betting Sam hopes it's not talked about at all. Any and all talk about it so far has only hurt, not helped, his draft position. But it will be talked about bcoz there are tons of ignorant focks who think homosexuality has anything to do with football ability. I'm sure he's hoping it doesn't get talked about. And, in an ideal world, it's be "He's gay. Rat's ass". But it's getting talked about more with the angle of "first openly gay player in the NFL". In all likelihood, his sexuality is this year's Manti Te'o's fake girlfriend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Showboat 290 Posted February 11, 2014 Ive yet to hear an athelete come "out" and say "by the way, Im hetero sexual and like chicks". Why not? Shouldnt we "celebrate" everyones sexuality? Why is it only gayness that has to be told to everyone? Never heard of Wilt Chamberlain? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted February 11, 2014 I'm betting Sam hopes it's not talked about at all. :lol: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,996 Posted February 11, 2014 I'm sure he's hoping it doesn't get talked about. And, in an ideal world, it's be "He's gay. Rat's ass". But it's getting talked about more with the angle of "first openly gay player in the NFL". In all likelihood, his sexuality is this year's Manti Te'o's fake girlfriend. The day was coming - the day a top NFL prospect came out and announced that he was gay before the draft. Fortunately, or unfortunately, it happened to be Michael Sam. The homophobes will go down to the end convinced he's doing this for publicity and attention. Others will see it for what it is - Sam being the first to have the stones to come out and face it head on, before the draft. The kid is a trailblazer - by definition the very word means 'a person who blazes a trail for others to follow through unsettled country or wilderness.' This will eventually die down and one day, many many days down the road, the fear and shock of it will wear off and people will learn to accept it for what it is - and one day others will announce the same and nobody will bat and eye. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted February 11, 2014 The NFL is screwed because of this guy. If doesn't get drafted high it's because the NFL is anti gay. If gets drafted too low it's because the NFL is anti gay. If gets drafted and cut, that team is anti gay. No win situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadLizard 73 Posted February 11, 2014 The NFL is screwed because of this guy. If doesn't get drafted high it's because the NFL is anti gay. If gets drafted too low it's because the NFL is anti gay. If gets drafted and cut, that team is anti gay. No win situation. Right - its affirmative action but in a different form. Damned if ya do, damned if ya dont. Its amazing how this is all going. Its only going to get worse too. Just like some "other" groups, the gays will play the "gay" card when needed but then scream "we are just like everyone else" when needed which just srews up the whole process. God, I miss the 1950's and I wasnt even born then..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted February 11, 2014 Right - its affirmative action but in a different form. Damned if ya do, damned if ya dont. Its amazing how this is all going. Its only going to get worse too. Just like some "other" groups, the gays will play the "gay" card when needed but then scream "we are just like everyone else" when needed which just srews up the whole process. God, I miss the 1950's and I wasnt even born then..... yup Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murf74 461 Posted February 11, 2014 The NFL is screwed because of this guy. If doesn't get drafted high it's because the NFL is anti gay. If gets drafted too low it's because the NFL is anti gay. If gets drafted and cut, that team is anti gay. No win situation. Someone must have hacked your account cause this post makes too much sense to have come from you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,996 Posted February 11, 2014 The NFL is screwed because of this guy. If doesn't get drafted high it's because the NFL is anti gay. If gets drafted too low it's because the NFL is anti gay. If gets drafted and cut, that team is anti gay. No win situation. The NFL earned about $10 Billion bucks last season. They will be fine with or w/out Michael Sam - he won't even make a dent in the pot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skinny_Bastard 159 Posted February 11, 2014 Should had stayed in the closet. Wait til get drafted....sign that bonus money... Make a name for yourself.... Sign the big gurantee money... Then come out.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Showboat 290 Posted February 11, 2014 Should had stayed in the closet. Wait til get drafted....sign that bonus money... Make a name for yourself.... Sign the big gurantee money... Then come out.. He was projected as a late round pick! He was not getting any guaranteed money. Your scenario requires him to succeed in the NFL. Coming out now puts him in the public eye and makes him an immediate celebrity. It was a brilliant no-risk move. Now, even if he can't make it in the NFL, he is almost assured of getting on some reality show (Dancing with the Stars?). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,062 Posted February 11, 2014 The NFL is screwed because of this guy. If doesn't get drafted high it's because the NFL is anti gay. If gets drafted too low it's because the NFL is anti gay. If gets drafted and cut, that team is anti gay. No win situation. Exactly this. This will be the reason NO team touches him, they dont want the guaranteed bad press that will come from it somewhere down the road. Good lord man the fans already call player homophobic slurs, imagine when they get a guy thats actually gay! Hes given the NFL a black eye already and its not even draft time! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murf74 461 Posted February 12, 2014 Vilma should not be apologizing for asking how he is supposed to handle the locker and shower room. Why should he feel guilty for feeling uncomfortable being naked around a guy that is not straight. That is a natural feeling that most whether they want to admit it are not feel. Would we tell a woman to apologize for feeling uncomfortable if someone stuck a man in the woman's athlete locker room at the Olympics? Heck let's just get rid of woman / men designation for locker rooms Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,062 Posted February 12, 2014 Vilma should not be apologizing for asking how he is supposed to handle the locker and shower room. Why should he feel guilty for feeling uncomfortable being naked around a guy that is not straight. That is a natural feeling that most whether they want to admit it are not feel. Would we tell a woman to apologize for feeling uncomfortable if someone stuck a man in the woman's athlete locker room at the Olympics? Heck let's just get rid of woman / men designation for locker rooms So true! A gay man in a mens lockerroom is the same as a straight man in a womans locker room. He is attracted to men right?? Ok, so how can he not want to look at the people he is attracted to? As a man, if im in a room with hot women getting naked, doesnt matter if they are my friends or teammates, im gonna look and im gonna get aroused plain and simple. Why would I not? NOBODY in that lockerroom is going to want this guy in there when they know he is like a kid in a candy store. We are men, we are pigs and horny and we want sex all the time. Gay men are no different. If it were me would I care? No, I have no problem with gay men. But we will see. Wont matter in the end, cuz like I said, he will never play a single down of nfl football. Hes going to get famous throught the draft hoopla and the following media outcry when no one wants him and the massive media distraction he brings. He will be on tv, prob get an endorsement deal and all that without ever playing. Kind of like Jason Collins who hasnt touched a ball in the nba since coming out, yet hes knows as "the first openly gay active player." WRONG, hes not active! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadLizard 73 Posted February 12, 2014 Heck let's just get rid of woman / men designation for locker rooms Like they did in the TV series Battlestar Galactica. Im sure the guys were more for it than the ladies Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,996 Posted February 12, 2014 So true! A gay man in a mens lockerroom is the same as a straight man in a womans locker room. He is attracted to men right?? Ok, so how can he not want to look at the people he is attracted to? As a man, if im in a room with hot women getting naked, doesnt matter if they are my friends or teammates, im gonna look and im gonna get aroused plain and simple. Why would I not? NOBODY in that lockerroom is going to want this guy in there when they know he is like a kid in a candy store. We are men, we are pigs and horny and we want sex all the time. Gay men are no different. If it were me would I care? No, I have no problem with gay men. But we will see. Women have been granted access to mens' locker rooms for years now. The number of attempted (and actual) locker room rapes during that time is the same amount as there are flying unicorns in world. With Sandusky locked up, I think all can sleep easy at night knowing that 1 openly gay player isn't going to run over and suck the qb's ball sack............ 'Gay men are no different" - you seem to know a lot about the make up and inner workings of homosexual people. Lucky guess or do you have some kind of first hand knowledge? How do you know so much about what they are thinking and their desires? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raider 84 29 Posted February 12, 2014 He should have waited until after the draft. This can't help his draft stock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,883 Posted February 12, 2014 Mike Sam is projected as a 4-5 round type from what I've read so it wouldn't be too unusual for him to not play a down. I think 90% of NFL locker rooms already have gay players and the other players just ignore it. The only difference now is that a player will be open about it. I think this will be much less of an issue than people are assuming. If he's cut or his draft stock tanks a small handful of powerless cranks may blame his orientation. The rest of the world really won't give a sh1t. There was literally no way for this guy to come out that wasn't going to piss homerphobes off so fock em. After the draft this will be a non issue and every time another player comes out we will hear less and less about it. Cheers to Mike Sam. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murf74 461 Posted February 12, 2014 Women have been granted access to mens' locker rooms for years now. The number of attempted (and actual) locker room rapes during that time is the same amount as there are flying unicorns in world. With Sandusky locked up, I think all can sleep easy at night knowing that 1 openly gay player isn't going to run over and suck the qb's ball sack............ 'Gay men are no different" - you seem to know a lot about the make up and inner workings of homosexual people. Lucky guess or do you have some kind of first hand knowledge? How do you know so much about what they are thinking and their desires? So why not let men in women's locker rooms? Is Jonathan Vilma wrong then for feeling uncomfortable?? Not getting the point of your post other than implying something about OP which you especially seemed intrigued about! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murf74 461 Posted February 12, 2014 Democrats: Yeah good for him, what an inspiration, where is my free stuff Republicans: Shut up and play football Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted February 13, 2014 After the draft this will be a non issue and every time another player comes out we will hear less and less about it. You're clueless. Mini camps and training camps will be a zoo with the media. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,883 Posted February 13, 2014 You're clueless. Mini camps and training camps will be a zoo with the media. The national media is going to follow Sam around asking if he's still ghey? It's a blip on the radar, relax. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted February 13, 2014 The national media is going to follow Sam around asking if he's still ghey? It's a blip on the radar, relax. I didn't say that. But nice spin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stonewall 647 Posted February 13, 2014 There was literally no way for this guy to come out that wasn't going to piss homerphobes off so fock em. Cheers to Mike Sam. Define Homerphopes <sic> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,883 Posted February 13, 2014 Define Homerphopes <sic> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,996 Posted February 13, 2014 So why not let men in women's locker rooms? Is Jonathan Vilma wrong then for feeling uncomfortable?? Not getting the point of your post other than implying something about OP which you especially seemed intrigued about! 1) Bcoz nobody really gives a fock enough to care what women say after a sporting event. Bosses aren't going to waste money on getting tape from somebody nobody is going to want to read/hear about. 2) As much as you want to draw a correlation, it's just not there. Fair or not, like it or not, there is a sizable difference between men walking around naked in a locker room and women. Most women don't even like dressing in front of each other much less with men around. There is something that's sacred about a woman's body and her privacy - if you don't understand that, you won't understand the rest of it either. I'm sorry, in this case 2 +2 doesn't = 4. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murf74 461 Posted February 13, 2014 1) Bcoz nobody really gives a fock enough to care what women say after a sporting event. Bosses aren't going to waste money on getting tape from somebody nobody is going to want to read/hear about. 2) As much as you want to draw a correlation, it's just not there. Fair or not, like it or not, there is a sizable difference between men walking around naked in a locker room and women. Most women don't even like dressing in front of each other much less with men around. There is something that's sacred about a woman's body and her privacy - if you don't understand that, you won't understand the rest of it either. I'm sorry, in this case 2 +2 doesn't = 4. You are in to girls so of course you don't think anyone would want to look at a guy. You are straight. What if you were not? Sorry, what categorizes men as gay is if they are attracted to men period. That is a fact! For you to think that a gay guy would ignore those naked men around him is naive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites