IGotWorms 4,058 Posted March 30, 2014 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/30/us/new-gop-bid-to-limit-voting-in-swing-states.html?hp&_r=0&referrer= New G.O.P. Bid to Limit Voting in Swing States CINCINNATI Pivotal swing states under Republican control are embracing significant new electoral restrictions on registering and voting that go beyond the voter identification requirements that have caused fierce partisan brawls. The bills, laws and administrative rules some of them tried before shake up fundamental components of state election systems, including the days and times polls are open and the locations where people vote. Republicans in Ohio and Wisconsin this winter pushed through measures limiting the time polls are open, in particular cutting into weekend voting favored by low-income voters and blacks, who sometimes caravan from churches to polls on the Sunday before election. Democrats in North Carolina are scrambling to fight back against the nations most restrictive voting laws, passed by Republicans there last year. The measures, taken together, sharply reduce the number of early voting days and establish rules that make it more difficult for people to register to vote, cast provisional ballots or, in a few cases, vote absentee. In all, nine states have passed measures making it harder to vote since the beginning of 2013. Most have to do with voter ID laws. Other states are considering mandating proof of citizenship, like a birth certificate or a passport, after a federal court judge recently upheld such laws passed in Arizona and Kansas. Because many poor people do not have either and because documents can take time and money to obtain, Democrats say the ruling makes it far more difficult for people to register. This kind of stuff is treasonous, IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,482 Posted March 30, 2014 They should create a participation trophy so Republicans have positive self esteem after losing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,270 Posted March 30, 2014 This dude is a front runner for geek doosh of the year, right? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted March 30, 2014 Can Republicans use the same argument as democrats do? It's the law...get over it?? I see nothing wrong with voter identification, the rest are a little suspect. Everyone in those states now have to follow the law of those states, so it's the law...get over it. Much like Obama care, certain laws won't make everyone happy. I guess people will have to vote out old and get new in to change the laws. Thats what makes this land great. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted March 30, 2014 This dude is a front runner for geek doosh of the year, right?god i hope so Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted March 30, 2014 Good reason for a few safeguards ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gocolts 300 Posted March 30, 2014 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/30/us/new-gop-bid-to-limit-voting-in-swing-states.html?hp&_r=0&referrer= This kind of stuff is treasonous, IMO. It is EXTREMELY racist to think minorities are too stupid to get an ID so they can vote. It is offensive actually. We as American citizens should not have our votes canceled out simply because most democrats think only white folks are capable of getting an ID to vote. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted March 30, 2014 Treasonous to have a focking ID.... Some people are just beyond reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted March 30, 2014 Hmmmm. What is the republican's reason for wanting to eliminate weekend voting? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted March 30, 2014 Hmmmm. What is the republican's reason for wanting to eliminate weekend voting? Don't both parties have to follow these rules/laws? It's the law, like obama care, so we just have to deal with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted March 30, 2014 Don't both parties have to follow these rules/laws? It's the law, like obama care, so we just have to deal with it.Yes they would. But that doesn't answer my question. Why do you suppose Republicans want to do away with weekend voting? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drizzay 723 Posted March 30, 2014 Why don't they come up with some sort of test or monetary amount one could pay in order to vote? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted March 31, 2014 Why don't they come up with some sort of test or monetary amount one could pay in order to vote?Lol. Maybe you should have to make $75,000 per year to be able to vote. Or own a home. Lolol. How else can we ensure that Republicans have a huge advantage? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 31, 2014 Can Republicans use the same argument as democrats do? It's the law...get over it?? I see nothing wrong with voter identification, the rest are a little suspect. Everyone in those states now have to follow the law of those states, so it's the law...get over it. Much like Obama care, certain laws won't make everyone happy. I guess people will have to vote out old and get new in to change the laws. Thats what makes this land great. I have no problem with voter ID either. Limiting what days and hours the polls are open is ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted March 31, 2014 Making the rules the same for everyone certainly is unfair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 31, 2014 Good reason for a few safeguards ? So...lets close the polls early to prevent that which this women claimed right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted March 31, 2014 Yes they would. But that doesn't answer my question. Why do you suppose Republicans want to do away with weekend voting? Don't know, don't care. Like I said it affects both parties equally. They both have the same rules, laid out in black and white to follow. That to me means equal playing field. Both parties make laws that benefits their constituencies, so what difference does it make? Republicans at every law the dems make and we hear it's the law, the dems won, get over it. Repubs make laws, the dems about it, so we hear it's the law get over it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 31, 2014 Making the rules the same for everyone certainly is unfair. Unfair? No, but certainly done to supress voting for the other side. Do you think either side doesn't think they are getting an advantage when they push through such laws? And fair or not...its just a ridiculous thing to limit how long polls stay open or on what days. Not one single voter should be for this...not one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted March 31, 2014 Unfair? No, but certainly done to supress voting for the other side. Do you think either side doesn't think they are getting an advantage when they push through such laws? And fair or not...its just a ridiculous thing to limit how long polls stay open or on what days. Not one single voter should be for this...not one. Why should voters not be for it? I now know the rules, so I can now adjust my schedule. Everyone knows the rules so follow them. How hard is it? Unemployed, poor, the less fortunate can still make it to the polls. They just need to make plans ahead of time. I'm sure they can find a way to the polls if they plan accordingly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,317 Posted March 31, 2014 Can Republicans use the same argument as democrats do? It's the law...get over it?? I see nothing wrong with voter identification, the rest are a little suspect. Everyone in those states now have to follow the law of those states, so it's the law...get over it. Much like Obama care, certain laws won't make everyone happy. I guess people will have to vote out old and get new in to change the laws. Thats what makes this land great. Agree that voter ID makes a lot of sense. These other things like restricting early voting -like you said- are more suspect. They would tend to diminish turnout which does improve GOP victory chances but is a really shady way to go about achieving it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted March 31, 2014 The less fortunate are not helpless. We need to stop handling them with kid gloves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted March 31, 2014 Don't know, don't care. Like I said it affects both parties equally. They both have the same rules, laid out in black and white to follow. That to me means equal playing field. Both parties make laws that benefits their constituencies, so what difference does it make? Republicans ###### at every law the dems make and we hear it's the law, the dems won, get over it. Repubs make laws, the dems ###### about it, so we hear it's the law get over it.you're not as dumb as you're pretending to be. The Republicans are pushing for voting changes that they feel will give them an advantage. I'm not entirely opposed to the voter id thing. Reducing the time people can vote is laughable ad transparent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted March 31, 2014 you're not as dumb as you're pretending to be. The Republicans are pushing for voting changes that they feel will give them an advantage. I'm not entirely opposed to the voter id thing. Reducing the time people can vote is laughable ad transparent. Both parties have to follow these rules. I wasn't for obama care, but I have to follow the law...so what. Make plans to get to the polls...any adult should be able to do this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 31, 2014 Why should voters not be for it? I now know the rules, so I can now adjust my schedule. Everyone knows the rules so follow them. How hard is it? Unemployed, poor, the less fortunate can still make it to the polls. They just need to make plans ahead of time. I'm sure they can find a way to the polls if they plan accordingly. Why would you want less time available to you? Polls already have ridiculously long lines many times. Why make it worse? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted March 31, 2014 Why would you want less time available to you? Polls already have ridiculously long lines many times. Why make it worse? I'm not say I like it, but it is what it is. What can you do about it? You have to find a way to get out and vote so you can get people in to change the laws. Do you think that most grown men and women can't find a way there? If both parties have the same rules to follow, then what's the problem? If people truly want to vote, they will find a way. Walk. Ride a bike. Call a church. Call your parties headquarters. Call a friend. There are ways to get it done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted March 31, 2014 I'm not say I like it, but it is what it is. What can you do about it? You have to find a way to get out and vote so you can get people in to change the laws. Do you think that most grown men and women can't find a way there? If both parties have the same rules to follow, then what's the problem? If people truly want to vote, they will find a way. Walk. Ride a bike. Call a church. Call your parties headquarters. Call a friend. There are ways to get it done.its difficult to vote 6 times in one day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 31, 2014 I'm not say I like it, but it is what it is. What can you do about it? You have to find a way to get out and vote so you can get people in to change the laws. Do you think that most grown men and women can't find a way there? If both parties have the same rules to follow, then what's the problem? If people truly want to vote, they will find a way. Walk. Ride a bike. Call a church. Call your parties headquarters. Call a friend. There are ways to get it done. True...it is what it is...an attempt by Republicans to take away time where their rivals historically vote. Or to have a lower voter turnout...which historically has favored them. The only thing that can be done is elect people who would change it back (problem with that is there are many other issues that come along with what other things those people would enact). But we shouldn't, as an electorate, be "making people have to find a way". Voting should be something made extremely easy and convenient for every eligible IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted March 31, 2014 True...it is what it is...an attempt by Republicans to take away time where their rivals historically vote. Or to have a lower voter turnout...which historically has favored them. The only thing that can be done is elect people who would change it back (problem with that is there are many other issues that come along with what other things those people would enact). But we shouldn't, as an electorate, be "making people have to find a way". Voting should be something made extremely easy and convenient for every eligible IMO. I agree with this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted March 31, 2014 Making the rules the same for everyone certainly is unfair. "The same for everyone"? What the fock are you babbling about? I don't have to show ID to vote. I can participate in early voting. So how the hell is getting rid of those privileges in ethnic and low-income areas making it "the same for everyone"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted March 31, 2014 Why don't they come up with some sort of test or monetary amount one could pay in order to vote? Poll taxes are illegal. Don't think they haven't thought of that before, to stop blacks from voting during Jim Crow, actually. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,450 Posted March 31, 2014 True...it is what it is...an attempt by Republicans to take away time where their rivals historically vote. Or to have a lower voter turnout...which historically has favored them. The only thing that can be done is elect people who would change it back (problem with that is there are many other issues that come along with what other things those people would enact). But we shouldn't, as an electorate, be "making people have to find a way". Voting should be something made extremely easy and convenient for every eligible IMO. We should make voting laws easy? A consttutional right? Agreed. And we should also make gun ownership just as easy? It's in the constitution right? If I have to register my guns, I should also have to register my vote? It's in the realms if of the most important document we covenant? No? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,450 Posted March 31, 2014 Poll taxes are illegal. Don't think they haven't thought of that before, to stop blacks from voting during Jim Crow, actually. Really? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted March 31, 2014 Really? Yes, really. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,450 Posted March 31, 2014 Yes, really. So Jim Crow Laws are sti in effect? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,450 Posted March 31, 2014 Yes, really. Do you find yourself agreeing with our forefathers more or not? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,450 Posted March 31, 2014 Yes, really. Are they smarter than you and I? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,450 Posted March 31, 2014 Did they plan well? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,450 Posted March 31, 2014 Or are you smartest? If so......please tell us how? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
