Gordon/Welker vote TOMORROW

[bjsteel 34]

So right now it's looking like Gordon will almost certainly miss Week 2 plus two games for his DWI?

AuntMarie, stop with your negativity! LOL

 

And part of the revision of the agreement is to not suspend for a DWI until the legal process has been completed...so no, he'll be playing a 14-game schedule, and how did that work out last year? Oh yeah, the #1 WR by the end of the 2014 season!

[bfros 53]

the DWI will eventually catch up with him, but not likely this season (or not until very late in the season, if at all)....in short, the DWI will not be fantasy relevant for this year. You can search around to find this information...it's been cited numerous times...I'm too lazy to look it up

[mobb_deep 920]

All fantasy football implications aside, I'm really rooting for Josh Gordon. He's a special talent and really fun to watch. With the right support, he could have a great career.

 

That being said, Brian Hoyer sucks. I don't see Gordon as a top 10 WR as long as he's under center. I project him as a mid level WR2 (which is still really good).

 

Good luck to you Gordon owners either way. I wish I was one of them.

[Sho Nuff 720]

All fantasy football implications aside, I'm really rooting for Josh Gordon. He's a special talent and really fun to watch. With the right support, he could have a great career.

 

That being said, Brian Hoyer sucks. I don't see Gordon as a top 10 WR as long as he's under center. I project him as a mid level WR2 (which is still really good).

 

Good luck to you Gordon owners either way. I wish I was one of them.

 

He was fine in limited time with Hoyer last year (10 for 146 and a TD on 19 targets) (4 for 71 on 9 targets)...as well as having to play with Jason Campbell and Brandon Weeden.

He wasn't just top 10...but #1 in my league last year (non-ppr)

[bjsteel 34]

 

He was fine in limited time with Hoyer last year (10 for 146 and a TD on 19 targets) (4 for 71 on 9 targets)...as well as having to play with Jason Campbell and Brandon Weeden.

He wasn't just top 10...but #1 in my league last year (non-ppr)

Nice reply Sho Nuff, I was about to say the same thing...mobb_deep obviously didn't do his homework before posting, who the heck did he think was the QB of the Browns last year?

[AintNoStoppinMeNow 68]

All fantasy football implications aside, I'm really rooting for Josh Gordon. He's a special talent and really fun to watch. With the right support, he could have a great career.

 

That being said, Brian Hoyer sucks. I don't see Gordon as a top 10 WR as long as he's under center. I project him as a mid level WR2 (which is still really good).

 

Good luck to you Gordon owners either way. I wish I was one of them.

 

Gordon was killing it at the beginning of last season with Hoyer at QB. They were linking up and the Browns were winning games. Then Hoyer went down and all of us Gordon owners started to worry a bit. That was until we saw him do what he does week in and week out regardless of QB, opposing CB, defense. Gordon could play with Hoyer, Manziel, Tebow, etc and still post great numbers. He's a special talent.

[mobb_deep 920]

Nice reply Sho Nuff, I was about to say the same thing...mobb_deep obviously didn't do his homework before posting, who the heck did he think was the QB of the Browns last year?

I'm well aware of what his stats were the 2 1/2 games he played with Hoyer last year. I have the internet, just like you all. I'm also well aware of Ratface Jr. Being the new OC, and how utterly craptastic Hoyer has looked so far this season.

 

I'm not trying to rain on the Josh Gordon circle jerk. I'm just giving my opinion, based on what I've seen through the preseason and week 1. I think Hoyer has regressed, thus limiting Gordon's upside to a WR2. I could obviously be wrong. That's why it's called a projection.

 

Now back to your regularly scheduled program of guessing when and if Gordon will have his suspension lifted/reduced.

[Antiramie 50]

Maybe Hoyer has regressed because he doesn't have Josh Gordon...

[kilroy69 1,250]

Hehehe.......he said circle jerk...hehehehe

[Da_Bears 14]

Color me stupid but, if Gordon is reinstated but faces a 2 game susp for the dwi, why not say the 1st two games he will miss just satisfies that penalty?

[Buttmonkey 8]

Might want to hold back your excitement about Gordon.

 

 

While the NFLPA did not vote on the new Drug Policy last night we did get some reports late last night, early this morning that are conflicting related to Josh Gordon. The hope for Cleveland Browns fans is that the new drug policy will allow Gordon to play this year. It has gone so far that Browns beat writer Tony Grossi believes that it is inevitable, which we covered here yesterday (New Window).

Instead we wake up to two different reports coming out of the NFLPA 9PM conference call last night. The first from ESPN:

The NFLPA was expecting to take a vote that would have revised policy and allowed for the immediate reinstatement of almost 20 players currently under suspension, including star receivers Josh Gordon of the Cleveland Browns and

Wes Welker

of the Denver Broncos, as well as cornerback

Orlando Scandrick

of the Dallas Cowboys, sources said.

So that report makes it look like Gordon would be judged under the new rules. Yet a report by NFL.com presents it a bit differently:

3) There would be reassessment of penalties already levied on players for drug violations during the 2014 league year.

Gregg Rosenthal’s tweet related to this article brings out why this wording is important for Gordon and the Browns:

 

So we have a very clear wording issue that could have a dramatic impact on Josh Gordon’s suspension. If the new policy reads “those suspended in the 2014 league year” Gordon should get off of his suspension. If the new policy reads “those testing positive in the 2014 league year” Gordon would not. It is a slight wording issue but it could be huge for Gordon and the Browns.

Update: An agreement on marijuana levels is reportedly in place, 20 players impacted. Gordon?

Technically Gordon tested positive, barely, during the 2013 league year. Those rules were already in place when he tested. The new rules are for this league year which could help Welker, Scandrick and the like.

Not surprisingly this Gordon saga keeps having more twists than anything we expected. At this point having expectations could create frustrations later.

Don’t get your hopes up Browns fans. Yet keep hope alive.

[bfros 53]

Here's the latest, as of Thurs morning.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2014/09/10/nflpa-union-drug-policy-vote-delayed/15418593/

 

Summary--the sides are making progress. A new draft was sent by NFLPA to NFL league office...because the league office is distracted by all the ray rice crap, and because two NFLPA reps are busy with games tonight and thus cannot vote, they may not get to it (or vote on it) until Friday at the earliest. Again, the fact that the season has begun is gonna make this move very slowly, if at all.

 

One good caveat in here that pertains to the post right above this one is that the language seems to suggest that they will reconsider "suspensions" that were handed out after March 11 (Gordon's was after March 11). That's a good sign for Gordon.

 

It all seems to hinge on when they can get the damn thing signed. Not if, but when.

[Ertzdontit 5]

What's up guys, first post here. I really hope this goes through, my money league has silly rules for max number of wrs and hbs you can have so I had to drop Desean Jackson to pick up Gordon. As it stands I'll have an empty spot in my lineup in week 4, but even if he gets reinstated and doesn't play week 4 I would keep him and trade for an rb that doesn't have a bye. High hopes from what I'm reading though. My take is that the people who are in the know are keeping tight wraps on it so the public doesn't go crazy but they know Gordon will get reinstated when they pass it. With as many as 20 players pending reinstatement, I also feel like the nflpa is intent on getting it done this year, and hopefully will be able to meet the league halfway on some issues.

[Buttmonkey 8]

LOL at all the spin being put on every article and nugget of information in hopes of Gordon playing - geez guys, draft better and you won't be soooooo desperate.

[bjsteel 34]

LOL at all the spin being put on every article and nugget of information in hopes of Gordon playing - geez guys, draft better and you won't be soooooo desperate.

So apparently, you don't have Gordon and have no chance of getting Gordon, got it.

 

What team is SOOOO good, that they can't use Josh Gordon on there team?

[Buttmonkey 8]

So apparently, you don't have Gordon and have no chance of getting Gordon, got it.

 

What team is SOOOO good, that they can't use Josh Gordon on there team?

I do have Gordon - I just don't see the point of spinning every article into rays of hope. Let's not forget he failed "three" drug tests - so even if the agreement gets signed - there's still a very good possibility of him not playing.

[JtmoneyJag 25]

I do have Gordon - I just don't see the point of spinning every article into rays of hope. Let's not forget he failed "three" drug tests - so even if the agreement gets signed - there's still a very good possibility of him not playing.

 

I disagree. His latest failed test is the one that got him a year suspension. If they don't count that against him then he will play this year. There is no doubt about that.

[Ertzdontit 5]

I do have Gordon - I just don't see the point of spinning every article into rays of hope. Let's not forget he failed "three" drug tests - so even if the agreement gets signed - there's still a very good possibility of him not playing.

 

Well bro this is a thread pretty much dedicated to that very thing, so maybe look for a different thread? And I'm with bjsteel, I happened to draft very well and had the high score in my league week 1, but that's not to say I have 5 better wr/rb options than Josh "based" Gordon. And if you're so sure about those odds, go to Bovada where you can bet $100 to win $400 that he WON'T play a game this year. Seems like you have more information than them.

[bjsteel 34]

 

Well bro this is a thread pretty much dedicated to that very thing, so maybe look for a different thread? And I'm with bjsteel, I happened to draft very well and had the high score in my league week 1, but that's not to say I have 5 better wr/rb options than Josh "based" Gordon. And if you're so sure about those odds, go to Bovada where you can bet $100 to win $400 that he WON'T play a game this year. Seems like you have more information than them.

I think Bovada had it at 1-3 yesterday that he won't play, now it's at 1-4? Seems like they think he will play, which was 1-5 yesterday (bet $500 to win $100).

 

BTW - after 3 posts, I like this Ertz guy!

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

First week 2 Fock You out to Goddell for focking up the Ray Rice situation and pushing getting this new drug policy to the back burner.

[Ertzdontit 5]

I think Bovada had it at 1-3 yesterday that he won't play, now it's at 1-4? Seems like they think he will play, which was 1-5 yesterday (bet $500 to win $100).

 

BTW - after 3 posts, I like this Ertz guy!

 

As it turns out, it's not quite 4-1 payout for betting no. I just remembered it was $400 to win $100 for saying yes and sort of flipped it for no, but then I realized it doesn't always work like that. It's actually only 2.5x now for no, but the point is still that they're projecting it to be more likely (by a decent margin) that he does end up playing, and unless they're poised to lose a fair amount of money, I'm gunna tentatively take their word for it. It reminds me of the Lebron situation because nobody would believe it until it actually happened, but small signs kept appearing, ie Lebrons mom posting that instagram pick talking going home versus Gordon still hanging around Cleveland and reportedly keeping a locker space.

[sperri40 12]

From Adam Schefter on Facebook:

 

Both sides, NFL and NFLPA, hoping to finalize a new drug policy tonight in which suspensions will wind up being overturned.

[idiotec 31]

From Adam Schefter on Facebook:

 

Both sides, NFL and NFLPA, hoping to finalize a new drug policy tonight in which suspensions will wind up being overturned.

 

 

Dear Baby Jesus,

 

Please let this pot smoking nipple of sunshine play fooseball.

 

Thank you Lord

[Gandalfthecat 8]

From Adam Schefter on Facebook:

 

Both sides, NFL and NFLPA, hoping to finalize a new drug policy tonight in which suspensions will wind up being overturned.

Man, what a waste of a Cialis.

[BingoBrown 8]

@MatthewBerryTMR

.@AdamSchefter on NFL Insiders just said if NFL-NFLPA agreement is approved, Josh Gordon would still be suspended for some games, maybe 6-10

 

 

Ugh. I can live with 6, I guess, but 10 would be killer with the short bench in my league.

[Ertzdontit 5]

From Adam Schefter on Facebook:

 

Both sides, NFL and NFLPA, hoping to finalize a new drug policy tonight in which suspensions will wind up being overturned.

 

Matt Berry tweeted that Schefter said on Insiders Gordon may still end up serving a 6-10 game suspension.

https://twitter.com/MatthewBerryTMR/status/510156582009962496

[Flgatorguy87 160]

That's a big difference. 6 is workable. 10 sucks.

[Gandalfthecat 8]

How accurate is Schefter usually?

[Flgatorguy87 160]

Schefter is usually a very credible source but what he is reporting is speculation not fact. This is his opinion not what someone is telling him.

[BingoBrown 8]

How accurate is Schefter usually?

 

The best of ESPN's reporters, and one of the best in the business.

 

Schefter is usually a very credible source but what he is reporting is speculation not fact. This is his opinion not what someone is telling him.

 

Did he phrase it as speculation on NFL Insiders? Berry doesn't allude to that. Seems like it's fact to me, the only question being how much the suspension is reduced.

[bjsteel 34]

 

The best of ESPN's reporters, and one of the best in the business.

 

 

Did he phrase it as speculation on NFL Insiders? Berry doesn't allude to that. Seems like it's fact to me, the only question being how much the suspension is reduced.

Seems strange that Gordon never would have been suspended under this agreement, so they are going to suspend him anyway? Even a few games? He's already served 2 after this week.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

He's already been suspended for 1 and since it won't be finalized prior to Sunday, it's 2. That's some...............

 

I'm not holding my breath. 10 games will suck a$$ but 6 is doable.

[Gandalfthecat 8]

He's already been suspended for 1 and since it won't be finalized prior to Sunday, it's 2. That's some...............

 

I'm not holding my breath. 10 games will suck a$$ but 6 is doable.

I still don't entirely understand the LOGIC of overturning other suspensions but not his. Who cares if happened in the 2013 year?

 

it. I predict it gets overturned entirely still.

[Niner49er 6]

Would not be a good look for Gooddell to suspend Gordon but not Welker. For the casual observer it looks like a black guy getting suspended for what is considered a low class drug while the white big market guy gets let off with a more elitist drug. We all know it is more complicated than that but for a league primarily concerned with image, and which has the NOW on its back, it's not what they want.

[BingoBrown 8]

Seems strange that Gordon never would have been suspended under this agreement, so they are going to suspend him anyway? Even a few games? He's already served 2 after this week.

 

It all has to do with which year the new drug policy is applicable to. Gordon was suspended in the 2013 league year. The change in policy is to the 2014 league year. Depending on the negotiations between the NFL and NFLPA, the NFL may be pushing for less leniency on the 2013 suspensions. They'll probably act like it was generous of them to reduce Gordon's suspension at all.

 

I'd think the NFLPA will push hard to get Gordon as little suspension as possible, but not to the extent that it hurts their bargaining position with regard to other players like Welker and Scandrick who can benefit from this deal.

[bfros 53]

The Schefter and Matthew Berry comments make no sense at all.

 

This all comes down to whether the suspension is based on when the positive test occurred or when the actual suspension was handed down. That's where this is tricky. Gordon tested positive back in April or May?? When was it? And when was he **officially** suspended by the league?? That matters too.

 

Also, where in the hell are they getting 6-10 games??? It's either all or nothing. If his test/suspension occurred in 2013, he's gonna get suspended for the entire year. If it's 2014, then it should be wiped clean. There is absolutely NO LANGUAGE in the new deal that specifies partial bans (like 6-10 games). None.

 

Feels to me like Schefty is pulling something out of his arse. Can't tell for sure....smells funny

[Niner49er 6]

Here’s a hypothetical: You were charged and convicted of a crime in the Winter of 2013 and immediately filed an appeal after the conviction. Sometime in 2014, the Court of Appeals affirms your conviction.

 

In the above hypothetical, your conviction does not become final until the Court of Appeals affirms your conviction. So if a new law is enacted while your case is on appeal, you get the benefit of that law.

 

How does this apply to Gordon? In a legal sense, I would argue (and believe) that Gordon’s suspension didn’t become final until his appeal was decided. Harold Henderson decided Gordon’s appeal on August 27.

[bfros 53]

Niner49er...that's exactly right. The appeal process dragged into the 2014 season.

 

But the bigger issue is where the 6-10 game idea comes from??

[BingoBrown 8]

Here’s a hypothetical: You were charged and convicted of a crime in the Winter of 2013 and immediately filed an appeal after the conviction. Sometime in 2014, the Court of Appeals affirms your conviction.

 

In the above hypothetical, your conviction does not become final until the Court of Appeals affirms your conviction. So if a new law is enacted while your case is on appeal, you get the benefit of that law.

 

How does this apply to Gordon? In a legal sense, I would argue (and believe) that Gordon’s suspension didn’t become final until his appeal was decided. Harold Henderson decided Gordon’s appeal on August 27.

 

Your hypothetical is bad. Criminal laws are only retroactive if explicitly stated so, and that pretty much never happens. All that matters is the law in effect at the time you committed the crime.

 

Same thing applies to NFL policies. If you offended when you took a positive drug test in 2013, the rules of 2013 apply. The appeals process does not change what rules apply.

 

That being said, the NFLPA could push for this new drug policy to apply to all current suspensions. This is collectively bargained, so it'll do whatever both sides want it to do.

[Niner49er 6]

Niner49er...that's exactly right. The appeal process dragged into the 2014 season.

 

But the bigger issue is where the 6-10 game idea comes from??

 

I bet Schefter doesn't have Gordon on his fantasy team so he's trying create a buy low window