Tomorrow is opening day of deer season in michigan

[penultimatestraw 473]

You can, but you might want to tone down the holier than though attitude if you're arguably an even greater contributor to animal suffering than the meat eaters you deride.

 

I also wouldn't hang my hat on drobeski agreeing with you. He's widely known to be a focking retard.

I'm not sure what you mean by holier than thou attitude - I didn't say my choices are better than yours, or anyone else's for that matter. I just don't believe you can eat meat without accepting animal suffering is a part of the process. If you are OK with that, fine, just don't deny it happens or remain willfully ignorant.

 

Also I have no idea how you've decided I'm a greater contributor to animal suffering than meat eaters.

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

Really? Tell me just how horrible most cattle ranchers treat their animals? I grew up raising cattle with the rest of my family in Montana, Oregon, and North Dakota. My mom and dad still run about 70 head of mainly hereford, but we've also raised grassfed, hormone free, red and black angus, highlander, and belted galloway.

 

I've worked on numerous cattle ranches in North and South Dakota growing up, wrestling calves during branding. It's how I made money during the summers in high school. Cattle ranchers dedicate their lives to treating their animals well and making sure they're taken care of so they can sell heavy, healthy beef cow.

 

This bullsh!t notion that the poor widdle animals are sufferwing when they're killed is focking stupid. Though I'm sure you read a lot being a learned man, so you must know more than the folks that produce said tainted, stockyard meat you allude.

 

I've been around it my whole life and have never seen this gorky park slaughter yard you speak of. Veggies don't like meat... we get it. Don't throw out some redic reason you pull out of your @ss though as a reason why you don't.

It's really simple: we kill cows for food when we have other options that don't entail their slaughter. If a rancher did the same thing to humans, you'd never argue their practices were humane - even if they were raised in the bucolic settings you suggest. And what % of our cattle benefit from a hormone free, grass-fed, free range existence?

 

I do like meat. It tastes great. I choose not to eat it to limit animal suffering, though it's pretty easy to argue vegetarianism is healthier for the individual and environment as well.

[penultimatestraw 473]

If you anti hunting tools understood anything about ecology you would shut up. Without hunting...whitetail populations would baloon to huge numbers.

 

Yay..Happy Bambi.

 

Then winter comes....awww...there isnt enough food for the Bambies and the begin to get sick and die.....

 

Auto insurance..goes even higher from multiple car crashes....

 

Pestilence and disease from rotting deer carcasses pollutes water supplies....

 

Scavenger populations boom....rabies outbreaks ensue...

 

Hunting keeps all of this in check...its a neccesity

Care to back any of your statements up? I'm particularly interested in the rabies outbreaks you describe.

[Cloaca du jour 2,160]

Care to back any of your statements up? I'm particularly interested in the rabies outbreaks you describe.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2011/11/04/good-question-what-if-there-was-no-deer-hunting/

[penultimatestraw 473]

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2011/11/04/good-question-what-if-there-was-no-deer-hunting/

Because some random journalist says so? I agree there would probably be more deer-vehicle collisions, but even that makes a lot of assumptions.This is a more interesting take, which supports culling animals within reason: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/03/140305-culling-badgers-deer-bison-swans-ethics-conservation/

 

It's really a controversial topic, and both sides have their merits. But man has just as much history of fvcking up nature as protecting it, and unintended consequences seem likely when man upsets the natural balance.

[MDC 8,134]

I'm not sure what you mean by holier than thou attitude - I didn't say my choices are better than yours, or anyone else's for that matter. I just don't believe you can eat meat without accepting animal suffering is a part of the process. If you are OK with that, fine, just don't deny it happens or remain willfully ignorant.

 

Also I have no idea how you've decided I'm a greater contributor to animal suffering than meat eaters.

 

Scroll back to your suggestion that being vegetarian makes you consistent on animal welfare issues. You walked that back pretty quick though.

 

I never said that animal suffering is not part of eating meat. You can stop patting yourself on the back for pointing out the obvious.

 

Name a few drugs that you commonly prescribe. I'm sure at least some of them come from firms that slaughter animals for R&D purposes. Ergo you subsidize animal murder to a degree that I don't.

[parrot 790]

Had some awesome moose spaghetti last night.

[parrot 790]

 

Really? Tell me just how horrible most cattle ranchers treat their animals? I grew up raising cattle with the rest of my family in Montana, Oregon, and North Dakota. My mom and dad still run about 70 head of mainly hereford, but we've also raised grassfed, hormone free, red and black angus, highlander, and belted galloway.

 

I've worked on numerous cattle ranches in North and South Dakota growing up, wrestling calves during branding. It's how I made money during the summers in high school. Cattle ranchers dedicate their lives to treating their animals well and making sure they're taken care of so they can sell heavy, healthy beef cow.

 

This bullsh!t notion that the poor widdle animals are sufferwing when they're killed is focking stupid. Though I'm sure you read a lot being a learned man, so you must know more than the folks that produce said tainted, stockyard meat you allude.

 

I've been around it my whole life and have never seen this gorky park slaughter yard you speak of. Veggies don't like meat... we get it. Don't throw out some redic reason you pull out of your @ss though as a reason why you don't.

 

I know something about cattle ranching too beer. My brother in law has an angus ranch and I help him out regularly. I agree with you that most ranchers treat their cattle well. They are their livelihood after all. But pen is still right that most of the commercial beef we consume comes from pretty harsh conditions. When the calves are shipped in the fall they are generally sent to feedlots where they are much more confined and the only goal is to fatten them up as much as possible for slaughter.

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

Scroll back to your suggestion that being vegetarian makes you consistent on animal welfare issues. You walked that back pretty quick though.

 

I never said that animal suffering is not part of eating meat. You can stop patting yourself on the back for pointing out the obvious.

 

Name a few drugs that you commonly prescribe. I'm sure at least some of them come from firms that slaughter animals for R&D purposes. Ergo you subsidize animal murder to a degree that I don't.

I'm not walking back from anything. The two or three meals you eat a day with meat far outstrip the animals killed during research/production for some of the drugs I may prescribe. And I wouldn't be surprised if some of your household products were tested on animals, if you want to make tangential associations with animal cruelty.

 

What you said was you draw the line "whether an animal is killed humanely and dispassionately for food." Even if you assume the animals you eat are slaughtered humanely (a big assumption), I'm arguing the way they were raised in preparation for slaughter is just as important. You've admitted you "feel bad" for living conditions of livestock, so I know you get it on some level. Just not enough to alter your behavior.

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

I know something about cattle ranching too beer. My brother in law has an angus ranch and I help him out regularly. I agree with you that most ranchers treat their cattle well. They are their livelihood after all. But pen is still right that most of the commercial beef we consume comes from pretty harsh conditions. When the calves are shipped in the fall they are generally sent to feedlots where they are much more confined and the only goal is to fatten them up as much as possible for slaughter.

I was trying to find data to determine the percentages of cattle, chicken etc. raised in more humane environments, but couldn't. But I think the majority don't live their lives as idyllically as Mmmm suggests.

[parrot 790]

I was trying to find data to determine the percentages of cattle, chicken etc. raised in more humane environments, but couldn't. But I think the majority don't live their lives as idyllically as Mmmm suggests.

 

I don't know the numbers but a lot of cattle start out just like mmmmmm.... beer suggests, but once they get shipped all bets are off.

[MDC 8,134]

I'm not walking back from anything. The two or three meals you eat a day with meat far outstrip the animals killed during research/production for some of the drugs I may prescribe. And I wouldn't be surprised if some of your household products were tested on animals, if you want to make tangential associations with animal cruelty.

 

What you said was you draw the line "whether an animal is killed humanely and dispassionately for food." Even if you assume the animals you eat are slaughtered humanely (a big assumption), I'm also arguing the way they were raised in preparation for slaughter is just as important. You've admitted you "feel bad" for living conditions of livestock, so I know you get it on some level. Just not enough to alter your behavior.

 

I don't ever eat three meals of meat per day. More often than not it's one. I was actually vegetarian for years and although I'm not now, I've never been a big steak and potatoes type eater.

 

I don't know what drugs you prescribe but if you name a few of them I can absolutely guarantee you they were designed by firms that do test on animals and in fact, I can further guarantee you those firms killed animals for non-essential lifestyle drugs. We have no idea how many animals were killed by the firms you subsidize. It is almost certainly many more than I eat.

 

Yes, I know that animals raised in captivity for food are not treated well and I do feel bad about that but not enough to alter my behavior. That's not news to anybody here but as usual you can't help yourself from trying to feel like the smartest guy in the room even if that means knocking down the same strawman over and over and holding your own decisions / behavior up as superior when they're really not. So if you want to start comparing lifestyles:

 

1. Name a few drugs you prescribe by brand name or type. We can do a little calculus on how many animals those firms you subsidize murder per year.

2. Do you wear any wool or leather or have any products that use those types of animal products? Leather seats in your car, cottom shirts or underwear etc.?

3. Do you own a car and how much do you drive per year? I drive maybe 5,000 miles per year. I'm guessing your oil consumption has a far greater impact on the environment, not to mention bolstering abusive political regimes.

 

Well? Interested in going down this road or do you mostly want to sit up there on your high horse wagging your finger at others?

[porkbutt 897]

 

Really? Tell me just how horrible most cattle ranchers treat their animals? I grew up raising cattle with the rest of my family in Montana, Oregon, and North Dakota. My mom and dad still run about 70 head of mainly hereford, but we've also raised grassfed, hormone free, red and black angus, highlander, and belted galloway.

 

I've worked on numerous cattle ranches in North and South Dakota growing up, wrestling calves during branding. It's how I made money during the summers in high school. Cattle ranchers dedicate their lives to treating their animals well and making sure they're taken care of so they can sell heavy, healthy beef cow.

 

This bullsh!t notion that the poor widdle animals are sufferwing when they're killed is focking stupid. Though I'm sure you read a lot being a learned man, so you must know more than the folks that produce said tainted, stockyard meat you allude.

 

I've been around it my whole life and have never seen this gorky park slaughter yard you speak of. Veggies don't like meat... we get it. Don't throw out some redic reason you pull out of your @ss though as a reason why you don't.

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

I don't ever eat three meals of meat per day. More often than not it's one. I was actually vegetarian for years and although I'm not now, I've never been a big steak and potatoes type eater.

 

I don't know what drugs you prescribe but if you name a few of them I can absolutely guarantee you they were designed by firms that do test on animals and in fact, I can further guarantee you those firms killed animals for non-essential lifestyle drugs. We have no idea how many animals were killed by the firms you subsidize. It is almost certainly many more than I eat.

 

Yes, I know that animals raised in captivity for food are not treated well and I do feel bad about that but not enough to alter my behavior. That's not news to anybody here but as usual you can't help yourself from trying to feel like the smartest guy in the room even if that means knocking down the same strawman over and over and holding your own decisions / behavior up as superior when they're really not. So if you want to start comparing lifestyles:

 

1. Name a few drugs you prescribe by brand name or type. We can do a little calculus on how many animals those firms you subsidize murder per year.

2. Do you wear any wool or leather or have any products that use those types of animal products? Leather seats in your car, cottom shirts or underwear etc.?

3. Do you own a car and how much do you drive per year? I drive maybe 5,000 miles per year. I'm guessing your oil consumption has a far greater impact on the environment, not to mention bolstering abusive political regimes.

 

Well? Interested in going down this road or do you mostly want to sit up there on your high horse wagging your finger at others?

Just so I can see your calculations:

1. I don't write prescriptions and am limited by the hospital formulary. Typical drugs I use include morphine, Zofran, Phenergan, Kefzol, Vancomycin, aspirin, nitroglycerin, Tylenol, and Colace.

2. I don't wear leather, but my car (which I bought used) has leather seats. I wear some cotton and wool, but rarely buy new clothes.

3. I am a commuter cyclist and drive 3-4K per year.

4. I have a photovoltaic array that generates all my home's power.

Am I allowed to characterize meat eating as cruel or not?

[MDC 8,134]

Just so I can see your calculations:

1. I don't write prescriptions and am limited by the hospital formulary. Typical drugs I use include morphine, Zofran, Phenergan, Kefzol, Vancomycin, aspirin, nitroglycerin, Tylenol, and Colace.

2. I don't wear leather, but my car (which I bought used) has leather seats. I wear some cotton and wool, but rarely buy new clothes.

3. I am a commuter cyclist and drive 3-4K per year.

4. I have a photovoltaic array that generates all my home's power.

Am I allowed to characterize meat eating as cruel or not?

Sure go ahead. I think most people just object to the fact that you're a snooty blowhard about it.

[Mookz 1,394]

Just so I can see your calculations:

1. I don't write prescriptions and am limited by the hospital formulary. Typical drugs I use include morphine, Zofran, Phenergan, Kefzol, Vancomycin, aspirin, nitroglycerin, Tylenol, and Colace.

2. I don't wear leather, but my car (which I bought used) has leather seats. I wear some cotton and wool, but rarely buy new clothes.

3. I am a commuter cyclist and drive 3-4K per year.

4. I have a photovoltaic array that generates all my home's power.

Am I allowed to characterize meat eating as cruel or not?

 

The Geek Club Members Pic Post?

[drobeski 3,061]

On a serious note, does anything really beat a perfectly cooked bone in rib eye with an ice cold beer ?

 

I think not. Yuuuuuuummmmy

[MDC 8,134]

On a serious note, does anything really beat a perfectly cooked bone in rib eye with an ice cold beer ?

 

I think not. Yuuuuuuummmmy

How dare you kill barley and hops?

[porkbutt 897]

On a serious note, does anything really beat a perfectly cooked bone in rib eye with an ice cold beer ?

 

I think not. Yuuuuuuummmmy

pig is king

[drobeski 3,061]

pig is king

yummy too

[penultimatestraw 473]

Sure go ahead. I think most people just object to the fact that you're a snooty blowhard about it.

Doubt most people care one way or the other. I think you have a guilty conscience and don't like being called out on it. You were once a vegetarian, after all.

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

The Geek Club Members Pic Post?

I told you, my wife's nipples aren't visible through the coconuts!

[MDC 8,134]

Doubt most people care one way or the other. I think you have a guilty conscience and don't like being called out on it. You were once a vegetarian, after all.

I think most people here know you're a focking blowhard.

[penultimatestraw 473]

I think most people here know you're a focking blowhard.

It's OK, I give you credit for at least being thoughtful. Give it some time, and try doing the right thing again.

[MDC 8,134]

It's OK, I give you credit for at least being thoughtful. Give it some time, and try doing the right thing again.

I will start by not being a twiggy pretentious doosh who sits my spandex ass on leather seats and doles out drugs designed by animal slaughtering conglomerates.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Doubt most people care one way or the other. I think you have a guilty conscience and don't like being called out on it. You were once a vegetarian, after all.

Ah, the cult has an apostate!

[kilroy69 1,273]

I saw the biggest buck of my life today. However it was on my way to work and was standing in a field that was not mine. It was so big I thought it was fake till it started to move. Had to have been 12 points and 250lbs. It was beautiful. It was about a half mile from where I hunt so its well within its travel radius. Hopefully he comes to my field sometime soon.

[Sho Nuff 720]

On a serious note, does anything really beat a perfectly cooked bone in rib eye with an ice cold beer ?

 

I think not. Yuuuuuuummmmy

 

Switch out beer with Bourbon on the rocks and you are correct.

 

There isn't a salad out there that can taste that good.

[GettnHuge 2]

it was a good year

http://tinypic.com/r/xc9kqa/8

 

[parrot 790]

pig is king

Homer: Are you saying you're never going to eat any animal again? What about bacon?

Lisa: No.

Homer: Ham?

Lisa: No.

Homer: Pork chops?

Lisa: Dad, those all come from the same animal.

Homer: Heh heh heh. Ooh, yeah, right, Lisa. A wonderful, magical animal.

[drobeski 3,061]

We are torn between Turkey ham and prime rib or kale, asparagus and colliflower for our thanksgiving dinner.

Any suggestions ?

[TD Ryan2 316]

Tomorrow is opening day of deer season in michigan

 

and Yesterday was opening day of lion season in new england!

[rholio 340]

We are torn between Turkey ham and prime rib or kale, asparagus and colliflower for our thanksgiving dinner.

Any suggestions ?

All of the above.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

We are torn between Turkey ham and prime rib or kale, asparagus and colliflower for our thanksgiving dinner.

Any suggestions ?

Sometimes people have stuff like asparagus and cauliflower on the side. But then again they tend not to be mouf breathers so perhaps it doesn't apply

[drobeski 3,061]

Sometimes people have stuff like asparagus and cauliflower on the side. But then again they tend not to be mouf breathers so perhaps it doesn't apply

I'm just trying to choose between right and wrong.

 

I was going to ask if worms is a kunt, but that would just be a stupid question.

[HenryHill9323 65]

Ima have to defer to Worms here. When it comes to mouf breathers he is the expert due to experience.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Ima have to defer to Worms here. When it comes to mouf breathers he is the expert due to experience.

Weak sauce, RP. All that forced time away and you couldn't come up with a better zinger?

[HenryHill9323 65]

Weak sauce

 

You sure you are a man?

[penultimatestraw 473]

We are torn between Turkey ham and prime rib or kale, asparagus and colliflower for our thanksgiving dinner.

Any suggestions ?

I thought it was interesting that SNF had a short segment after commercial of crowded turkeys being whisked away into a truck to go to slaughter. They looked pretty clueless and probably weren't suffering, but society is typically shielded from any imagery other than animals prancing in the forest/field.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

You sure you are a man?

he loves loves loves weak sauce