NFL: 11 of 12 Pat's balls under inflated.

[NewbieJr 541]

Drobs, who should be suspended? (sorry, quote function doesn't work for me)

[KSB2424 3,173]

 

Disagree.

 

Refs inspect footaballs, were given back to Pats and when they got to the field they weren't legal. NFL doesn't need to know who did it...they can punish the crime, Pats were responsible for safe guarding football and failed. You don't need a picture of Brady deflating them.

 

Well, okay, but without a 'smoking gun' I think all you'll see is some rather small fine and that's it.

[KSB2424 3,173]

you know that the refs checked the psi before the game ?

 

Well, I don't think Mike Honcho was there personally....but all the reports, all the sources etc have said the balls were checked by referee Walt 2hrs before the game. There are links all in this thread.

[NewbieJr 541]

What is some coach's kid or water boy was the one who did the actual ball deflating? Think he should be suspended? Why do you need a smoking gun? If it is found that the ref did actually check the balls before the game, and they were 2 lbs below acceptable at halftime, the Pats are guilty. Period. I'm pretty sure the league isn't going to send the message that cheating is worth the risk if you just have a low-level employee or volunteer do the dirty work.

[drobeski 3,061]

Drobs, who should be suspended? (sorry, quote function doesn't work for me)

whoever is found responsible, even Brady or belichik

[Sho Nuff 720]

I don't think people will be suspended. Probably a nice fine...Brady will get off clean since they can't prove he did anything and he threw the equipment guy under the bus.

 

Its a pretty minor and lame thing, but still a rule.

[NewbieJr 541]

Since there is no way of proving where the orders came from, you're talking about a ball boy or equipment manager. Ouch, I hope New England can survive that suspension.

[KSB2424 3,173]

Somebody will spill the beans. They always do. Don't y'all watch The First 48 ?

[HenryHill9323 65]

This makes it's way up to Brady for sure. The NFL probably won't go that high, but he almost certainly directed the deflation. At the minimum, he was aware of it the second he picked up the first ball.

 

Every QB that has commented on this says there is no way he didn't notice the difference.

 

Belicheat has such a history of cheating I wouldn't be shocked that it came directly from him.

 

They cheated (again), got caught (again), and are now scrambling to find the fall guy (again).

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

Well, I don't think Mike Honcho was there personally....but all the reports, all the sources etc have said the balls were checked by referee Walt 2hrs before the game. There are links all in this thread.

Most of them are just assuming the refs checked them because they were supposed to. Doesn't mean they actually did

[HenryHill9323 65]

Most of them are just assuming the refs checked them because they were supposed to. Doesn't mean they actually did

Ref said he did. Maybe he thought he did, and was just hit by a weird, unexplained drop in barometric pressure that confused him.

[NewbieJr 541]

To all those (and they all seem to be Pats fans) who are saying this is ridiculous and that the air pressure is irrelevant, here's what I know.....back in high school, I could dunk an underinflated basketball. Because I could palm it. It made my smallish hands seem big (Hi Brady). You can also swipe an underinflated ball out of midair with one hand much easier (Hi Gronk). It is also much easier to hold onto than a hard ball (Hi NE running backs and their ZERO fumbles this season).

 

I'd love to know how long they've been doing this. Since the KC game? All season? Multiple seasons? Hmmm, with Belichick and Brady, it certainly makes you wonder.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Everybody who isn't a b1tch is saying this is ridiculous. Hell even the Colts are saying its ridiculous

[Herbivore 1,197]

Serious question for the Patriot fans.........

 

Forget all the stuff that Belichick and Brady are saying. And forget that there may have been some atmospheric pressure drop on one sideline but not the other..

 

IF, and I'm just saying IF, it is found that the balls were inflated by someone on the patriots sideline, what do you feel the punishment should be?

 

The Pats inflate their balls to 12.5 psi, the minimum, and during the game they drop to 12.2 psi. The Colts inflate to 13, they drop to 12.7. Do the Pats deserve an penalty? If they intentionally deflated the balls after the refs inspected them, then they deserve a fine. If they lied about it, then suspension. But there is no way either Brady or Belicheck get suspended for the Super Bowl.

 

This whole thing is very every kid gets a trophy stuff. Sorry you didn't win Colts, but the reason was the Patriots balls weren't inflated to the proper psi. The guys on Movin the Chains on NFL radio were embarrassed that they had to talk about it at all.

[HenryHill9323 65]

 

The Pats inflate their balls to 12.5 psi, the minimum, and during the game they drop to 12.2 psi. The Colts inflate to 13, they drop to 12.7. Do the Pats deserve an penalty? If they intentionally deflated the balls after the refs inspected them, then they deserve a fine. If they lied about it, then suspension. But there is no way either Brady or Belicheck get suspended for the Super Bowl.

 

This whole thing is very every kid gets a trophy stuff. Sorry you didn't win Colts, but the reason was the Patriots balls weren't inflated to the proper psi. The guys on Movin the Chains on NFL radio were embarrassed that they had to talk about it at all.

You sukk at math. The were 2psi under regulation, which puts them at 10.5 psi.

[KSB2424 3,173]

Everybody who isn't a b1tch

 

Here comes the name calling!

 

The Five Stages of Grief

 

1. Denial

2. Anger

3. Barganing

4. Depression

5. Acceptance

 

First was denial with "but everybody does it" and "atmospheric pressure". Now it appears we've finally moved on to stage 2, ANGER.

[NewbieJr 541]

Uh, Herbivore, no. I don't think dropping to .3 under should warrant a penalty. Dropping to 10.5 should. That's a full 2.0 difference. Your example could possibly be some atmospheric change. Also, keep in mind, this wasn't just one ball that may have a had a tiny leak near the valve. This was 11 balls. All at 10.5 pounds of air pressure

[posty 2,809]

The Pats inflate their balls to 12.5 psi, the minimum, and during the game they drop to 12.2 psi. The Colts inflate to 13, they drop to 12.7. Do the Pats deserve an penalty? If they intentionally deflated the balls after the refs inspected them, then they deserve a fine. If they lied about it, then suspension. But there is no way either Brady or Belicheck get suspended for the Super Bowl.

 

This whole thing is very every kid gets a trophy stuff. Sorry you didn't win Colts, but the reason was the Patriots balls weren't inflated to the proper psi. The guys on Movin the Chains on NFL radio were embarrassed that they had to talk about it at all.

This was what I was figuring... Inflate to the minimum PSI at room temperature and the ball will deflate when it goes to colder areas... I was wondering what the Colts inflated their footballs to...

 

The NFL won't put it back to where they supply the balls because the QBs won't be happy and I would venture to guess that scoring would go down because of the feel/gloss/slickness, etc...

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Here comes the name calling!

 

The Five Stages of Grief

 

1. Denial

2. Anger

3. Barganing

4. Depression

5. Acceptance

 

First was denial with "but everybody does it" and "atmospheric pressure". Now it appears we've finally moved on to stage 2, ANGER.

What "grief"? Our team is in the SB.

[NewbieJr 541]

Everyone is a b!tch who's upset that the same team keeps on cheating and getting an unfair advantage. ROFL. Love the frustration being shown.

[HenryHill9323 65]

What "grief"? Our team is in the SB.

The grief you clowns are showing from getting caught cheating again.

 

HTH

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Everyone is a b!tch who's upset that the same team keeps on cheating and getting an unfair advantage. ROFL. Love the frustration being shown.

 

What frustration? We are laughing at you. Just wait until you see what the Pats have in store for cheating in the SB. Whatever you expect is going to happen, it will be something else. Even bigger and better.

[HenryHill9323 65]

 

Here comes the name calling!

 

The Five Stages of Grief

 

1. Denial

2. Anger

3. Barganing

4. Depression

5. Acceptance

 

First was denial with "but everybody does it" and "atmospheric pressure". Now it appears we've finally moved on to stage 2, ANGER.

They still haven't made it to #5 from the last time they got caught cheating.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

The grief you clowns are showing from getting caught cheating again.

 

HTH

Keep it coming. We love it!

[HenryHill9323 65]

Keep it coming. We love it!

Still in Step #1.

 

Expected from someone as slow on the uptake as you tend to be.

[DankNuggs 305]

I've paid my dues
Time after time
I've done my sentence
But committed no crime
And bad mistakes
I've made a few
I've had my share of sand
Kicked in my face
But I've come through

And we mean to go on and on and on and on

We are the champions - my friends
And we'll keep on fighting
Till the end
We are the champions
We are the champions
No time for losers
'Cause we are the champions of the World

I've taken my bows
And my curtain calls
You brought me fame and fortune
And everything that goes with it
I thank you all
But it's been no bed of roses
No pleasure cruise
I consider it a challenge before
The whole human race
And I ain't gonna lose

And we mean to go on and on and on and on

We are the champions - my friends
And we'll keep on fighting
Till the end
We are the champions
We are the champions
No time for losers
'Cause we are the champions of the World

We are the champions - my friends
And we'll keep on fighting
Till the end
We are the champions
We are the champions
No time for losers
'Cause we are the champions

[NewbieJr 541]

Hmmm, I didn't see Freddie mention needing to cheat

[edjr 6,898]

Keep it coming. We love it!

 

1st few days it was laughable, now it's like sleeping in the woods, in the summer with no netting.

 

Focking pests and bugs, just won't leave you alone

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

1st few days it was laughable, now it's like sleeping in the woods, in the summer with no netting.

 

Focking pests and bugs, just won't leave you alone

I went the other way with it. At first, it was stupid and annoying. Now, I look at guys like Aikman out there spewing off on stuff and I have to laugh at it because it is so funny.

[KSB2424 3,173]

 

1st few days it was laughable, now it's like sleeping in the woods, in the summer with no netting.

 

Focking pests and bugs, just won't leave you alone

 

Aren't you the person that started a whole other thread on this topic.

[edjr 6,898]

I went the other way with it. At first, it was stupid and annoying. Now, I look at guys like Aikman out there spewing off on stuff and I have to laugh at it because it is so funny.

 

The grandstanding is outrageous.

 

If the pats win, that gives tom 1 more than troy. oops

[HenryHill9323 65]

I've paid my dues

Time after time

I've done my sentence

And committed some crimes

And bad mistakes

I've made a few

I've had my share of sand

Kicked in my face

But I've come through

 

And we mean to go on and on and on and on

 

We are the champions**************************** - my friends

And we'll keep on cheating

Till the end

We are the champions***********************************

We are the champions***********************************

No time for rules

'Cause we are the champions***************************** of the World

 

I've taken my bows

And my curtain calls

You brought me fame and fortune

And everything that goes with it

I spit on you all

But it's been no bed of integrity

No principled cruise

I consider it a challenge before

The whole human race

To catch my breaking the rules

 

And we mean to go on and on and on and on

 

We are the champions************************* - my friends

And we'll keep on cheating

Till the end

We are the champions****************************

We are the champions*****************************

No time for rules

'Cause we are the champions********************* of the World

 

We are the Cheatriots - my friends

And we'll keep on cheating

Till the end

We are the Cheatriots

We are the Cheatriots

No time for rules

'Cause we are the Cheatriots

Catchy tune.

[NewbieJr 541]

Troy never had to cheat for his. He's crushing Brady

[Kanil 521]

whoever is found responsible, even Brady or belichik

Question for Drob since he's the one actually answering questions:

 

If the following things turn out true:

Balls were measured pregame (signs point to yes)

11 of 12 balls were ~2psi under-inflated at halftime (I think we all agree that's true)

 

Do you think there's any way Brady is not responsible?

And if so, what's your definition of responsible?

If the blame goes to someone like an equipment manager, do you honestly think he did it on his own without Brady knowing?

[edjr 6,898]

Question for Drob since he's the one actually answering questions:

 

If the following things turn out true:

Balls were measured pregame (signs point to yes)

11 of 12 balls were ~2psi under-inflated at halftime (I think we all agree that's true)

 

Do you think there's any way Brady is not responsible?

And if so, what's your definition of responsible?

If the blame goes to someone like an equipment manager, do you honestly think he did it on his own without Brady knowing?

 

More than likely, this has been happening all year.

 

The equipment manager has known since day one how Brady likes his balls.

 

You think Brady actually sits down to discuss it with him prior to each game? Unlikely.

[Herbivore 1,197]

Uh, Herbivore, no. I don't think dropping to .3 under should warrant a penalty. Dropping to 10.5 should. That's a full 2.0 difference. Your example could possibly be some atmospheric change. Also, keep in mind, this wasn't just one ball that may have a had a tiny leak near the valve. This was 11 balls. All at 10.5 pounds of air pressure

 

I haven't seen or heard any specific number. Where is the 10.5 reported?

[Kanil 521]

 

More than likely, this has been happening all year.

 

The equipment manager has known since day one how Brady likes his balls.

 

You think Brady actually sits down to discuss it with him prior to each game? Unlikely.

Definitely not prior to each game but that's a non-factor. The information about how Brady likes his balls 2psi low got to the person that let air out somehow and there's only 1 person that could have been the original source. Hell, it could have even been Brady telling Giselle who told the hot dog guy who told the equipment managers son who told the equipment manager but the source is still Brady.

[Kanil 521]

 

I haven't seen or heard any specific number. Where is the 10.5 reported?

It's been stated multiple places that they were 2psi below the minimum. I don't think that's up for debate.

[Mike Honcho 5,435]

Another question for Drobes...which was worse, finding out the truth about Brady or Santa Claus?

[posty 2,809]

Another question for Drobes...which is worse finding out the truth about Brady or Santa Claus?

What about Santa Claus??