Sho Nuff 720 Posted April 9, 2015 We've been doing sanctions - they're still getting closer to having nukes. Reason being that obtaining nukes would give them tremendous leverage. So I know it makes you feel all tough and stuff but in actuality it probably only increases the likelihood that Iran will obtain nukes and yeah...just bombing them will go over real well too. And its interesting that I have seen Henry complain many times that we can't negotiate with them because they lie...yet he has also mentioned how they say they will blow up Israel and Death to America stuff...so, if they lie, why should we take that stuff seriously? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryHill9323 65 Posted April 9, 2015 We've been doing sanctions - they're still getting closer to having nukes. Reason being that obtaining nukes would give them tremendous leverage. So I know it makes you feel all tough and stuff but in actuality it probably only increases the likelihood that Iran will obtain nukes Makes me feel tough and stuff? Really? That's the best ya got? If so, go ahead and tap out now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryHill9323 65 Posted April 9, 2015 and yeah...just bombing them will go over real well too. And its interesting that I have seen Henry complain many times that we can't negotiate with them because they lie...yet he has also mentioned how they say they will blow up Israel and Death to America stuff...so, if they lie, why should we take that stuff seriously? They are the #1 state sponsor of terrorism, Slappy. A lot of American blood is on their hands in Iraq, so their threats you can put some stock in given their track record. You and your ilk want to believe they will abide by an agreement. Given their track record, that position is idiotic.........which explains why you subscribe to it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryHill9323 65 Posted April 9, 2015 Iran is now saying that all the sanctions will have to be lifted on the day the agreement is signed. These ragheads are gonna roll Obama on the world stage. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted April 9, 2015 Iran is now saying that all the sanctions will have to be lifted on the day the agreement is signed. These ragheads are gonna roll Obama on the world stage. Be honest, who do you like better, the Russians or the Iranians? You made these same claims about Russia. Putin was rolling Obama, blah blah blah. How'd that work out? Russia is facing financial ruin and they haven't invaded any more territory. Game, set, match- Obama. Watch and learn, moron. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryHill9323 65 Posted April 9, 2015 Russia took what they wanted, Dummy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted April 9, 2015 Russia took what they wanted, Dummy. HAHAHA Yeah, and they didn't want any more. Okaaaay. The sanctions we imposed stopped him in his tracks. His country is suffering. Turn on something other than Fox News once in awhile. Maybe you'll learn something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryHill9323 65 Posted April 9, 2015 http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/15/us-ukraine-crisis-ceasefire-idUSKBN0MB0OY20150315 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryHill9323 65 Posted April 9, 2015 It's always funny when Ducky acts like he knows what is going on in the world. The United States and the European Union have now both announced that they are extending the economic sanctions they first imposed against Russia in March 2014 for its actions in Ukraine. One year on, the West thus remains committed to a policy which has failed so far and which has no chance of succeeding in the future. The sanctions policy was destined to fail because it was based on false assumptions about how most Russians thinkin particular, how they think about security. http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/order-from-chaos/posts/2015/03/09-one-year-western-sanctions-against-russia-gaddy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted April 9, 2015 It's always funny when Ducky acts like he knows what is going on in the world. The United States and the European Union have now both announced that they are extending the economic sanctions they first imposed against Russia in March 2014 for its actions in Ukraine. One year on, the West thus remains committed to a policy which has failed so far and which has no chance of succeeding in the future. The sanctions policy was destined to fail because it was based on false assumptions about how most Russians thinkin particular, how they think about security. http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/order-from-chaos/posts/2015/03/09-one-year-western-sanctions-against-russia-gaddy Wanna make a bet that I can find an article that says the sanctions are hurting Russia? Yes or no? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted April 9, 2015 They are the #1 state sponsor of terrorism, Slappy. A lot of American blood is on their hands in Iraq, so their threats you can put some stock in given their track record. You and your ilk want to believe they will abide by an agreement. Given their track record, that position is idiotic.........which explains why you subscribe to it. Don't forget the blood Iran has on it's hands from Beirut 1983. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryHill9323 65 Posted April 9, 2015 Obama: " Russia must move its troops from the Ukranian border". How did that work out, Ducky? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryHill9323 65 Posted April 9, 2015 Wanna make a bet that I can find an article that says the sanctions are hurting Russia? Yes or no? Go find one where the sanctions caused Russia to remove its troops. GO! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,699 Posted April 9, 2015 Fiery criticism from Iran's Supreme Leader, coupled with steep demands from the upper echelon of the regime, are throwing the nuclear "deal" reached last week into doubt -- with Iran and the U.S. each claiming the agreement said different things, and neither side backing down. Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has final say on all state matters, tore into the U.S. in remarks published on his official website and on his Twitter account. Khamenei made clear he was neither endorsing nor rejecting the framework deal announced last week. But he challenged the way the U.S. was describing it -- specifically, a fact sheet put out by the White House saying sanctions would be removed only after inspectors verify Iran's compliance. The Ayatollah, in one tweet, claimed the fact sheet was "contrary to what was agreed." In another, he said: "I trust our negotiators, but I'm really worried as the other side is into lying & breaching promises; an example was White House fact sheet." Ever since the preliminary deal was unveiled, Iranian officials have claimed -- in their own remarks and fact sheets -- that the agreement allows for sanctions to be lifted immediately once a final deal is reached. On Thursday, both the Ayatollah and Iranian President Hassan Rouhani again insisted that all sanctions be removed as soon as a deal is reached, or implemented. "We will not sign any agreement, unless all economic sanctions are totally lifted on the first day of the implementation of the deal," Rouhani said during a ceremony marking Iran's nuclear technology day, which celebrates the country's nuclear achievements http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/09/deal-or-no-deal-iran-leaders-blast-us-claims-on-nuke-deal-make-heavy-demands/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted April 9, 2015 Any answer yet BakerPhur? Still finding no time other than when you keep posting? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,315 Posted April 9, 2015 We've got Iran's supreme leader saying sanctions must be lifted immediately and their defense minister is laying out conditions on where nuclear inspectors can and can't look. Both totally unacceptable. It would seem the deal is off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted April 9, 2015 We've got Iran's supreme leader saying sanctions must be lifted immediately and their defense minister is laying out conditions on where nuclear inspectors can and can't look. Both totally unacceptable. It would seem the deal is off. They've got until June to work this thing out. And what they're saying publicly could easily be blustering to save face with citizens or appease certain factions. That said if this is what they insist on for the actual deal then it is clearly a no-go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryHill9323 65 Posted April 10, 2015 Or, they know Obama is desperate to get a deal done for his legacy and they know they can play him for the fool he is. Obama came out and announced this as 'historic', and they soon followed up with proclaiming him a liar about the details and announcing there is no way they will do what Obama claimed was part of the deal. Look for these humiliations to continue as this plays out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted April 10, 2015 I am open to his approach. I think in the end the winners would be a larger group than the losers. I am not exactly a big fan of Israel, but certainly I am far less OK with anything arab/muslim/extremist. If "we" as Americans gain economically and socially due to Iran being less active in sponsoring terror, and their market opening up to our companies, this is a good thing. I think the ongoing antagonism has been more hurtful than helpful. Imagine if we were to mend fences, become more cooperative, and reduce the need for military action in the arena. The only people I can imagine hating this effort would be the military-industrial complex. I would not mess with them for anything, I am certain they will kill you, president or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,405 Posted April 10, 2015 Obummer's legacy is pretty decent all things considered: Took over a deep recession (some would say depression) in the wake of the housing collapse and leaves behind an economy that's humming with sub-6% unemployment. Winds down war in Iraq, no major terrorist attacks on US soil, bin Laden killed on his watch. Expands access to HC for millions. His presidency has been a mixed bag but overall I'd say he's been slightly above average? And I think he one of those guys like HW who history is going to be very kind to him. You could even make the argument that he's been better than Clinton given the relative hand each was dealt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted April 10, 2015 Obummer's legacy is pretty decent all things considered: Took over a deep recession (some would say depression) in the wake of the housing collapse and leaves behind an economy that's humming with sub-6% unemployment. Winds down war in Iraq, no major terrorist attacks on US soil, bin Laden killed on his watch. Expands access to HC for millions. His presidency has been a mixed bag but overall I'd say he's been slightly above average? And I think he one of those guys like HW who history is going to be very kind to him. You could even make the argument that he's been better than Clinton given the relative hand each was dealt. I have him below Clinton and Reagan, but certainly one of the better ones in my lifetime. With the POSSIBLE exception of Reagan, no one had a bigger hole to climb out of than Obama. Between how the economy was and the two horrible wars his predecessor got us into, it's really a miracle that he's done as well as he has. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted April 10, 2015 I have him below Clinton and Reagan, but certainly one of the better ones in my lifetime. With the POSSIBLE exception of Reagan, no one had a bigger hole to climb out of than Obama. Between how the economy was and the two horrible wars his predecessor got us into, it's really a miracle that he's done as well as he has. Bush the smarter had a bigger hole than Reagan. That's why he raised taxes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 920 Posted April 10, 2015 Did Iran get nukes yet, or is America still the only country with the stones to use them? Step ur nuke game up earth people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted April 10, 2015 Obummer's legacy is pretty decent all things considered: Took over a deep recession (some would say depression) in the wake of the housing collapse and leaves behind an economy that's humming with sub-6% unemployment. Winds down war in Iraq, no major terrorist attacks on US soil, bin Laden killed on his watch. Expands access to HC for millions. His presidency has been a mixed bag but overall I'd say he's been slightly above average? And I think he one of those guys like HW who history is going to be very kind to him. You could even make the argument that he's been better than Clinton given the relative hand each was dealt. That's actually a pretty darn good legacy you described Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryHill9323 65 Posted April 10, 2015 That's actually a pretty darn good legacy you described Too bad it is all libtard fantasy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted April 10, 2015 Too bad it is all libtard fantasy. ROFL Yeah, we were all wondering what your opinion of him was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 920 Posted April 10, 2015 OBL is still alive!? :askeered: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryHill9323 65 Posted April 10, 2015 Worst recovery in history. Not opinion, fact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryHill9323 65 Posted April 10, 2015 OBL is still alive!? :askeered:Dead despite the fact Obama ended EITs that led to finding bin Laden. I will give Obama credit for getting off the golf course long enough to watch Valerie Jarrett give the go ahead for the SEALs to kill him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted April 10, 2015 lolol Love watching RP blow a gasket because someone dared to say Obama is a good President. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted April 10, 2015 You guys are hilarious, Thanks for the laughs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted April 10, 2015 Dead despite the fact Obama ended EITs that led to finding bin Laden. I will give Obama credit for getting off the golf course long enough to watch Valerie Jarrett give the go ahead for the SEALs to kill him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted April 10, 2015 You would have to say the jury is still out on Obama. But the verdict is in on Bush/Cheney: worst in modern times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,580 Posted April 10, 2015 You would have to say the jury is still out on Obama. But the verdict is in on Bush/Cheney: worst in modern times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryHill9323 65 Posted April 10, 2015 You guys are hilarious, Thanks for the laughs. Best part is that Ducky actually believes the stuff he posts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,405 Posted April 10, 2015 Too bad it is all libtard fantasy. I noticed you, drobs and Reality haven't bothered with any rebuttal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,405 Posted April 10, 2015 That's actually a pretty darn good legacy you described I dock Obummer points for slowness to disengage from pointless foreign conflicts, continuation of NSA spying and other War on Terror abuses and the debt. But GOPers tend not to care about those first 2 points and greatly overstate his responsibility for the 3rd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,436 Posted April 10, 2015 Obummer's legacy is pretty decent all things considered: Took over a deep recession (some would say depression) in the wake of the housing collapse and leaves behind an economy that's humming with sub-6% unemployment. Winds down war in Iraq, no major terrorist attacks on US soil, bin Laden killed on his watch. Expands access to HC for millions. His presidency has been a mixed bag but overall I'd say he's been slightly above average? And I think he one of those guys like HW who history is going to be very kind to him. You could even make the argument that he's been better than Clinton given the relative hand each was dealt. If only he would have worked with congress. The saddest thing about this comment is that I know you believe it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,405 Posted April 10, 2015 If only he would have worked with congress. The saddest thing about this comment is that I know you believe it. The saddest part is that you and the peanut gallery are totally incapable of explaining why you disagree with my comment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
