My Problem with Trans Jenner

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Damn. And you were doing so well. Should have stopped after the first paragraph. Your second one makes you look like a true idiot

Even with the first paragraph you could tell he was heading on to moronic things with the "not 1:1" statement. It isn't one to focking eleventy billion

[NewbieJr 541]

Even with the first paragraph you could tell he was heading on to moronic things with the "not 1:1" statement. It isn't one to focking eleventy billion

Just KSB's way of making sure everyone knows that transgenders are very freaky and creepy and barely a notch above child rapists.

[Frank M 181]

You seem bothered enough to come into the thread to cry about him posting his opinion.

 

I asked him why it bothered him. I'm not the one worried about who gets an award or not like it matters, that's the other folks in this thread.

 

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Just KSB's way of making sure everyone knows that transgenders are very freaky and creepy and barely a notch above child rapists.

But hey, he doesn't have a problem with them as long as they aren't getting a sacred pop culture award

[MDC 7,652]

 

I agreed from a "victim" and "hurting others" aspect it is apples and oranges. I even said as much.

 

I tried to go a different path speaking on a more macro level, too where we as a society draw lines in regards to accepting or even celebrating "ab-normal" and "un-natural" feelings and behavior even if they are organically felt by the individual.

Come off it. The only reason to compare Jenner to Sandusky is to equate transgender with criminal sexual activity. This is a pretty common tactic of the Limbaugh bigot right wing.

[KSB2424 3,153]

Come off it. The only reason to compare Jenner to Sandusky is to equate transgender with criminal sexual activity. This is a pretty common tactic of the Limbaugh bigot right wing.

I didn't make the comparison, Wiffleball did. I agreed with you it was apples and oranges but tried to pivot off of it a different way to talk about abnormal and "deviant" feelings. How things are taboo in a society, etc. How and where we draw lines in society, etc.

 

But some of you are incapable of it, it seems.

[NewbieJr 541]

Come off it. The only reason to compare Jenner to Sandusky is to equate transgender with criminal sexual activity. This is a pretty common tactic of the Limbaugh bigot right wing.

Next they'll be wanting to marry sheep. ROFL Gotta love the bible thumping right

[IGotWorms 4,060]

I didn't make the comparison, Wiffleball did. I agreed with you it was apples and oranges but tried to pivot off of it a different way to talk about abnormal and "deviant" feelings. How things are taboo in a society, etc. How and where we draw lines in society, etc.

 

But some of you are incapable of it, it seems.

You tried to say it isn't a direct comparison but nonetheless a useful analogy. And that's focking bigoted bullsh1t.

[KSB2424 3,153]

Next they'll be wanting to marry sheep. ROFL Gotta love the bible thumping right

 

You do realize Wiffleball rails quite a bit on religion as a whole right? And I'm not a very religious person per se, as I've struggled with it myself. I'm just saying.....stereotyping is a no-no right? Because your stereotype just now was wrong.

 

What and what isn't taboo in a given society does have historical religious connotations, but it also involves basic humanistic / natural connotations, all sorts of variables. I simply find it interesting how we draw those lines....is that okay to talk about Mr. Geek Club Sherrif?

[Frank M 181]

I didn't make the comparison, Wiffleball did. I agreed with you it was apples and oranges but tried to pivot off of it a different way to talk about abnormal and "deviant" feelings. How things are taboo in a society, etc. How and where we draw lines in society, etc.

 

But some of you are incapable of it, it seems.

 

"I understand it's not the same thing, but isn't it interesting that we as a society don't accept child rape but we do accept transgenderism?"

 

No, not very interesting. Sorry.

[MDC 7,652]

I didn't make the comparison, Wiffleball did. I agreed with you it was apples and oranges but tried to pivot off of it a different way to talk about abnormal and "deviant" feelings. How things are taboo in a society, etc. How and where we draw lines in society, etc.

 

But some of you are incapable of it, it seems.

Your point was that we draw an arbitrary line between what's normal and what's not normal regarding trans vs pedophilia. The obvious response is that pedophilia has victims.

 

HTH

[KSB2424 3,153]

Your point was that we draw an arbitrary line between what's normal and what's not normal regarding trans vs pedophilia. The obvious response is that pedophilia has victims.

 

HTH

 

I guess you didn't read my posts, because I specifically stated, even if the person doesn't act on said internal feelings its still taboo to have them at all. Take acting on these internal feelings out of it. And obviously on a spectrum of "deviant" feelings liking kids is further out than wanting to be a woman. However some still draw the line further up....

 

Never mind, I'll just chalk this up to being a time where you can't have this conversation without immediate guards going up and a refusal to think on a more macro and less PC level.

 

:yawn:

[Frank M 181]

 

I guess you didn't read my posts, because I specifically stated, even if the person doesn't act on said internal feelings its still taboo to have them at all. Take acting on these internal feelings out of it. And obviously on a spectrum of "deviant" feelings liking kids is further out than wanting to be a woman. However some still draw the line further up....

 

Never mind, I'll just chalk this up to being a time where you can't have this conversation without immediate guards going up and a refusal to think on a more macro and less PC level.

 

:yawn:

 

 

Yes, keep floating above it all, KSB

 

[Fumbleweed 554]

I didn't make the comparison, Wiffleball did. I agreed with you it was apples and oranges but tried to pivot off of it a different way to talk about abnormal and "deviant" feelings. How things are taboo in a society, etc. How and where we draw lines in society, etc.

 

But some of you are incapable of it, it seems.

 

I have tried in the past to discuss the drawing of lines in society and how we need to respect that we don't all draw lines in the same vicinity, but I will tell you that view is met with hostility and ridicule here. I do think many here are incapable of having a discussion that involves thinking outside of their own worldview. And, that's really too bad. The Geek Club used to be a place where you could do that. Now, it seems it's just a contest to see who can be the most caustic leaving people interested in discussing something with a little more depth pretty weary.

[MDC 7,652]

 

I guess you didn't read my posts, because I specifically stated, even if the person doesn't act on said internal feelings its still taboo to have them at all. Take acting on these internal feelings out of it. And obviously on a spectrum of "deviant" feelings liking kids is further out than wanting to be a woman. However some still draw the line further up....

 

Never mind, I'll just chalk this up to being a time where you can't have this conversation without immediate guards going up and a refusal to think on a more macro and less PC level.

 

:yawn:

It's PC to think it's patently offensive to compare Jenner to a child rapist? I guess I'm PC then.

[MDC 7,652]

 

I have tried in the past to discuss the drawing of lines in society and how we need to respect that we don't all draw lines in the same vicinity, but I will tell you that view is met with hostility and ridicule here. I do think many here are incapable of having a discussion that involves thinking outside of their own worldview. And, that's really too bad. The Geek Club used to be a place where you could do that. Now, it seems it's just a contest to see who can be the most caustic leaving people interested in discussing something with a little more depth pretty weary.

As long as we are being un-PC, let talk about how similar Chrostians are to Al Qaida and Isil? I mean, they are both racist, sexist organizations based on a belief in an imaginary sky fairy and they both attract weak minded people.

 

Can we talk about that or are you too PC for it?

[NewbieJr 541]

 

You do realize Wiffleball rails quite a bit on religion as a whole right? And I'm not a very religious person per se, as I've struggled with it myself. I'm just saying.....stereotyping is a no-no right? Because your stereotype just now was wrong.

 

What and what isn't taboo in a given society does have historical religious connotations, but it also involves basic humanistic / natural connotations, all sorts of variables. I simply find it interesting how we draw those lines....is that okay to talk about Mr. Geek Club Sherrif?

No, it's not ok when that lack-of-understanding involves a man raping children. It's typical right wing retardedness. No different than saying if gay marriage is allowed, whose to stop a man from marrying a bear or a dog. As Sherriff, I have no problem with you throwing pedophilia into a discussion on sex change operations, but be prepared to hear about what a dumb fock you are. As many have expressed to you.

[Mike Honcho 5,345]

 

It's true, and I find it funny how Diane Sawyer is on ABC. Good Morning America has been a Kardashian / Jenner cheerleader is on ABC, and ESPN is ABC. They are cashing in on this.

 

And you know what, that's fine, give the people what they want. The only thing that rubs me the wrong way is when you give an award, regardless of what the award is, just for ratings. At that point the ESPY's have now turned into WWE to me. They lose all credibility.

 

They had credibility? :lol:

[Eaglesin14 12]

I asked him why it bothered him. I'm not the one worried about who gets an award or not like it matters, that's the other folks in this thread.

 

 

You told him to get a life in your first response to him posting his opinion. You didn't ask why it bothered him.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

I have tried in the past to discuss the drawing of lines in society and how we need to respect that we don't all draw lines in the same vicinity, but I will tell you that view is met with hostility and ridicule here. I do think many here are incapable of having a discussion that involves thinking outside of their own worldview. And, that's really too bad. The Geek Club used to be a place where you could do that. Now, it seems it's just a contest to see who can be the most caustic leaving people interested in discussing something with a little more depth pretty weary.

'Drawing lines' is fine. Comparing victimless choices like having a sex change to sickos raping children, is not. If you need to see a drawn line to tell the difference between those things, then you're as dumb as KSB is.

[Fumbleweed 554]

As long as we are being un-PC, let talk about how similar Chrostians are to Al Qaida and Isil? I mean, they are both racist, sexist organizations based on a belief in an imaginary sky fairy and they both attract weak minded people.

 

Can we talk about that or are you too PC for it?

 

There are several hundred million Christians in the world today. Are you really going to attempt to paint your stereotype with such an incredibly broad stroke?

 

No, I won't have a conversation with someone who generalizes that much. If you can't take people on a case-by-case basis and instead want to lump them all into some sort of pre-conceived box, what's the use of discussing.

[Frank M 181]

 

I have tried in the past to discuss the drawing of lines in society and how we need to respect that we don't all draw lines in the same vicinity, but I will tell you that view is met with hostility and ridicule here. I do think many here are incapable of having a discussion that involves thinking outside of their own worldview. And, that's really too bad. The Geek Club used to be a place where you could do that. Now, it seems it's just a contest to see who can be the most caustic leaving people interested in discussing something with a little more depth pretty weary.

 

It's a little different discussing whether or not we think that being gay or transgendered is natural or unnatural and what KSB is doing here and what he does all the time. He throws out a ridiculous analogy, claims it wasn't what he really meant, then laments that we can't talk about things.

 

If your worldview equates Caitlyn Jenner with Jerry Sandusky, I'm not interested in that discussion. It's not a matter of being capable of discussing it or not.

[Frank M 181]

You told him to get a life in your first response to him posting his opinion. You didn't ask why it bothered him.

 

Yep. You should heed the advice as well.

[Fumbleweed 554]

'Drawing lines' is fine. Comparing victimless choices like having a sex change to sickos raping children, is not. If you need to see a drawn line to tell the difference between those things, then you're as dumb as KSB is.

 

Of course I see a difference. Two totally different things. I was speaking to the broader point of discussing lines of morality. The only part of KSB's statements that I was concurring with had to do with people being so incapable of discussing things here.

[MDC 7,652]

 

There are several hundred million Christians in the world today. Are you really going to attempt to paint your stereotype with such an incredibly broad stroke?

 

No, I won't have a conversation with someone who generalizes that much. If you can't take people on a case-by-case basis and instead want to lump them all into some sort of pre-conceived box, what's the use of discussing.

Well then obviously you are incapable of dealing with my point in a mature way because you're too PC.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Really I was sarcastically making the point that it's not "PC" to refuse to engage with stupid, patently offensive comparisons like the one KSB threw out there.

[Frank M 181]

 

Of course I see a difference. Two totally different things. I was speaking to the broader point of discussing lines of morality. The only part of KSB's statements that I was concurring with had to do with people being so incapable of discussing things here.

 

Let's talk about society drawing lines of morality. How come society allows a man to have sex with another man but frowns on a man having sex with a dog?

 

Do you think a topic like this deserves discussion or ridicule? My vote would be ridicule.

[Baker Boy 1,705]

Bruce Jenner, who appeared for the first time as a transgender woman on an infamous Vanity Fair magazine cover earlier this week, could parlay his transition into a half-billion dollar fortune within a decade, experts predict.

 

Jenners net worth is already estimated to be $100 million. But experts familiar with the earning potential of media figures told the New York Daily News that the former gold medal Olympian and Keeping Up with the Kardashians star could be worth as much as $500 million in the next five to ten years.

 

She could become the wealthiest of them all, VH1s The Gossip Table host Rob Shuter told the paper, referring to the rest of the Kardashian family. If Bruce Jenner made $100 million in 65 years, if all the stars align, she could be worth over $500 million in the next five to 10 years. Caitlyn is going to be a pioneer.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2015/06/03/prediction-bruce-jenner-could-be-worth-over-500-million-within-decade/

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

Anyone who calls what Jenner is doing "courageous" is not someone I would want to hang out with. It demeans real acts of courage, like when a life is in the line. To term his actions with the same descriptor as storming the beaches at Normandy or fighting in the mountainsof Afghanistan or running in to a burning building is flat wrong. I barely watch ESPN as it is, and will watch even less going forward. When the time comes that I can get ala cart programming( it's already started) ESPN is the first to go. If the Giants are on MNF I'll go to the bar. No big deal.

[Voltaire 5,388]

I'm glad I finished reading the thread before commenting on it because I was all set to agree with KSB and jerry but now that the ' focking bigoted bullsh1t' card has been played, I'd better stop.

 

Ah, but I'm too stupid.

 

I think now that the gays have won in the court system and in pop culture, it's time to slide the trannies in the acceptance door too. And since people squeamish of all this sudden social change are guilty of focking bigoted bullsh1t, we can be slid out of the acceptance door to make room.

 

This is still all so creepy and freaky and uncomfortable. I'm glad my family and I are insulated by being overseas and I only have to deal with it when I'm online, my kids not at all. I never encountered all the gay hype and together with not being familiar with current music or TV or computer aptitude always feel in a cultural time warp to the 20th century. There's other overwhelming factors that I worry make growing up in China overall significantly worse than the US for my children but this being gay-free is a silver lining.

[KSB2424 3,153]

 

It's a little different discussing whether or not we think that being gay or transgendered is natural or unnatural and what KSB is doing here and what he does all the time. He throws out a ridiculous analogy, claims it wasn't what he really meant, then laments that we can't talk about things.

 

If your worldview equates Caitlyn Jenner with Jerry Sandusky, I'm not interested in that discussion. It's not a matter of being capable of discussing it or not.

 

I don't think you guys actually read the threads you post in.

 

1. I didn't "throw out" the analogy. Wiffleball did. I tried to pivot off of it to a different path and subject around where we draw lines of what is taboo and what isn't in a given society.

2. Of course when a "victim" is involved it's different, which is why, if you read the thread I was speaking to the internal feelings of people like pedophiles even if they don't act on them. Victims are not part of the equation.

 

But you don't really read the posts, you scan them waiting to throw out the same ole stuff. We get it.

[Frank M 181]

Anyone who calls what Jenner is doing "courageous" is not someone I would want to hang out with. It demeans real acts of courage, like when a life is in the line. To term his actions with the same descriptor as storming the beaches at Normandy or fighting in the mountainsof Afghanistan or running in to a burning building is flat wrong. I barely watch ESPN as it is, and will watch even less going forward. When the time comes that I can get ala cart programming( it's already started) ESPN is the first to go. If the Giants are on MNF I'll go to the bar. No big deal.

 

The only courageous acts are those where one's life is on the line? You probably think that everyone in the military is a hero, too.

 

I'm sure ESPN is completely bummed out that you won't be watching them anymore.

[Mungwater 597]

Another situation where I really don't give a .

[DankNuggs 305]

have to be aware in these discussions that there is hypersensitivity towards value judgements that ends up filtering the diologue

[Fumbleweed 554]

 

Let's talk about society drawing lines of morality. How come society allows a man to have sex with another man but frowns on a man having sex with a dog?

 

Do you think a topic like this deserves discussion or ridicule? My vote would be ridicule.

 

What are you basing your argument on with respect to having sex with a dog? Consent, I assume, correct? So, your line would be that two creatures with the ability to express consent should be allowed to have sex...correct?

 

If so, that's where you draw the line and where a lot of people draw the line. I get that.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Of course I see a difference. Two totally different things. I was speaking to the broader point of discussing lines of morality. The only part of KSB's statements that I was concurring with had to do with people being so incapable of discussing things here.

I don't feel like searching for it, but whoever first brought up Sandusky and pedophilia into a thread about transgenders, is the one who took it into a direction where it was no longer a sane discussion. Things were bound to become unraveled from there.

[Frank M 181]

 

I don't think you guys actually read the threads you post in.

 

1. I didn't "throw out" the analogy. Wiffleball did. I tried to pivot off of it to a different path and subject around where we draw lines of what is taboo and what isn't in a given society.

2. Of course when a "victim" is involved it's different, which is why, if you read the thread I was speaking to the internal feelings of people like pedophiles even if they don't act on them. Victims are not part of the equation.

 

But you don't really read the posts, you scan them waiting to throw out the same ole stuff. We get it.

 

I read your posts. They're clear. The topic of conversation is stupid.

[DankNuggs 305]

I don't feel like searching for it, but whoever first brought up Sandusky and pedophilia into a thread about transgenders, is the one who took it into a direction where it was no longer a sane discussion. Things were bound to become unraveled from there.

I think the point is the acceptance that all feelings are fine, there is no such thing as normal. but acting on those feelings to cause harm on another is where we draw our morality line.

[Fumbleweed 554]

I don't feel like searching for it, but whoever first brought up Sandusky and pedophilia into a thread about transgenders, is the one who took it into a direction where it was no longer a sane discussion. Things were bound to become unraveled from there.

 

No argument there.

[Voltaire 5,388]

Next they'll be wanting to marry sheep. ROFL Gotta love the bible thumping right

This is a problem for me. All the cool people I like and respect seem to be swept up in the gay rights crowd. Meanwhile, I'm not. I'm stuck hanging out with Pat Robertson, Rick Santorum and an entirely different group of freaks.

 

Man, I should just keep my mouth shut.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

 

The only courageous acts are those where one's life is on the line? You probably think that everyone in the military is a hero, too.

 

I'm sure ESPN is completely bummed out that you won't be watching them anymore.

No there are many other types of courage, but describing all of them isn't necessary to make my point, but thanks for telling me what I think. Did I say everyone in the military is a hero? Again, thanks for telling me what I think. ESPN won't miss me one bit, you're right. Maybe I shouldn't vote anymore either. I won't be missed there either. You're not as as you think you are. You just follow an ideology lock, stock and barrel and are unable to process divergent thoughts at the same time. Keep reading your script.