My Problem with Trans Jenner

[Mike Honcho 5,345]

That's not really true.

 

Every single guy in here would "like" to Fock a smoking hot seventeen year old. We don't do it. Why? Because we recognize that it is wrong, regardless of what our cack says.

 

I'm sure there are many people who are attracted to children who never act on it, because they know it is wrong.

 

Your actions, not your urges, are what matters.

 

Not wrong where I live... Age of Consent laws.

[DankNuggs 305]

But feel free to keep telling me to stop it, makes me feel like im back at home with the wife...

[DankNuggs 305]

 

Not wrong where I live... Age of Consent laws.

There is alot wrong where you live

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

 

Not wrong where I live... Age of Consent laws.

That is legality. The law seeks to create a floor of behavior, not a ceiling. Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's right.

[parrot 789]

They weren't around when I was a kid or at least they were quiet and kept to themselves out of the spotlight such that it was invisible.

 

There were celebrity entertainers. I always liked Elton John and Boy George. Richard Simmons was odd but harmless, I liked him too. I didn't know any of them were gay. Not even Boy George who dressed like a woman for some reason. I thought YMCA was a cool song, didn't even realize it was over-the-top gay until I was an adult and then when I found out it was, I didn't care.

 

But they were all on TV. People in your everyday life, well I never met or knew anyone. If I did, they kept it to themselves. I didn't notice. But like I said, my gaydar was so broken as a kid that I could watch the policeman and the fireman dance in that YMCA video dozens of times without detecting any gay innuendo at all. I didn't know to look for it. don't think think that was such a bad way to grow up.

 

Sure, growing up with all the gays in the closet is great, unless you're one of the gays.

My kids have known openly gay people since the day they were born. It hasn't adversely affected them.

[Eaglesin14 12]

I don't think the 2 are comparable either, but I think Jenner's 3 ex wives might have been hurt to some degree.

Pretty sure his kids aren't happy with it either, despite what they may say to the media.

[MDC 7,652]

Pretty sure his kids aren't happy with it either, despite what they may say to the media.

I'm sure your kids are pretty ashamed of you too.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

 

Sure, growing up with all the gays in the closet is great, unless you're one of the gays.

My kids have known openly gay people since the day they were born. It hasn't adversely affected them.

Ghey doesn't bother me. That is someone stating a preference. Whatever. Go for it.

 

I think what bothers me About trannies is that they demand that ignore reality.

 

"I'm a woman!"

 

"Um sorry dood, that cack and balls says otherwise."

[Franknbeans 46]

Ghey doesn't bother me. That is someone stating a preference. Whatever. Go for it.

 

I think what bothers me About trannies is that they demand that ignore reality.

 

"I'm a woman!"

 

"Um sorry dood, that cack and balls says otherwise."

 

so, you'd be in full support if they went the extra mile?

[Voltaire 5,388]

Still don't think the comparison is fair in any way shape or form. Let's say you identify as a man who likes to rape young children entrusted to your care, but you never actually do it. That still would not be acceptable because your identity involves criminal activity and the actual victimization of others.

 

As compared to identity that you find weird but which does not entail harm to anyone.

I haven't always taught kindergarten kids, in my first few teaching jobs, I use to teach other age groups including teenagers. Before taking on a class of teenagers for the first time, I wasn't sure I'd have the discipline or self control to handle it because I was then and (still am) attracted to teenage girls and I knew it.

 

I was happy to find out that I did have the fortitude to teach these classes without this being an issue. I never flirted with any hottie students, let alone touch them. I've always been proud of that. But that's not good enough for you since I did have the urge numerous times with dozens of jailbait hotties to bang them but always successfully kept my composure. That seems a more than a bit unfair. In my case, it's asking too much. I can turn off the switch to act on my desires but I cannot turn off my desires.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,538]

They weren't around when I was a kid or at least they were quiet and kept to themselves out of the spotlight such that it was invisible.

 

There were celebrity entertainers. I always liked Elton John and Boy George. Richard Simmons was odd but harmless, I liked him too. I didn't know any of them were gay. Not even Boy George who dressed like a woman for some reason. I thought YMCA was a cool song, didn't even realize it was over-the-top gay until I was an adult and then when I found out it was, I didn't care.

 

But they were all on TV. People in your everyday life, well I never met or knew anyone. If I did, they kept it to themselves. I didn't notice. But like I said, my gaydar was so broken as a kid that I could watch the policeman and the fireman dance in that YMCA video dozens of times without detecting any gay innuendo at all. I didn't know to look for it. don't think think that was such a bad way to grow up.

 

 

You knew Rob Halford was gay though right?

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

 

so, you'd be in full support if they went the extra mile?

No. An inside out cack is still a cack, not a vagina.

[MDC 7,652]

Before teaching kindergarten kids, I use to teach other age groups including teenagers. Before taking on a class like this, I wasn't sure I'd have the discipline or self control to handle it because I was then and (still am) attracted to teenage girls and I knew it.

 

I was happy to find out that I did have the fortitude to teach the class without this being an issue. I never flirted with any hottie students, let alone touch them. I've always been proud of that. But that's not good enough for you since I did have the urge numerous times with dozens of jailbait hotties to bang them but always successfully kept my composure. That seems a more than a bit unfair. In my case, it's asking too much. I can turn off the switch to act on my desires but I cannot turn off my desires.

I think there's a difference between your situation and Sandusky's. Yours was based on sexual attraction to near adult minors. There's a somewhat arbitrary legal line in the sand and you're right to not cross it, but it's basically the same attraction that you'd have for any adult hotty right?

 

For creeps like Sandusky I think victimizing powerless kids actually is the appeal and he gets off on the abuse, even moreso than just the sex.

 

I also think he should be out down like a dog.

[Voltaire 5,388]

 

 

You knew Rob Halford was gay though?

I never got into metal until I was in the Army and even then Judas Priest was never a favorite. I never paid him enough attention to ponder his orientation.

[vuduchile 1,945]

I have to admit I don't know a ton about Jenner, but his orientation / sex change in itself doesn't have victims - it's the lying about it that hurt his ex wives. Pedophilia always has victims.

Granted, suffering physical abuse at the hands of adult is as serious as it gets. But, I gotta think his actions have hurt both his wives and children emotionally.

 

It's really apples to oranges again.

 

While I'm sure many will say he wouldn't have lived the lie for all those years if society weren't so bigoted, he made the choice to repeatedly marry and have children as a man, knowing he wasn't being true to himself or them. Those actions hardly seem courageous to me. But, maybe Arthur Ashe would see it differently.

[vuduchile 1,945]

That is legality. The law seeks to create a floor of behavior, not a ceiling. Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's right.

I banged an 18 yr old chick for a few months when I was 35. It was both legal, and felt pretty right at the time.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

I banged an 18 yr old chick for a few months when I was 35. It was both legal, and felt pretty right at the time.

Honestly, for me it would depend on the chick whether I thought it was kosher.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

I have to admit I don't know a ton about Jenner, but his orientation / sex change in itself doesn't have victims - it's the lying about it that hurt his ex wives. Pedophilia always has victims.

Let's also distinguish between the victimhood of being misled by someone and the victimhood of being pushed up against the wall of a shower and anally raped as a young boy attending a charity camp. I think there's a bit of a difference there.

[vuduchile 1,945]

Ghey doesn't bother me. That is someone stating a preference. Whatever. Go for it.

 

I think what bothers me About trannies is that they demand that ignore reality.

 

"I'm a woman!"

 

"Um sorry dood, that cack and balls says otherwise."

I think some of what you're saying has merit here.

 

Mother nature creates her fair share of physical and psychological misfits. Many physical abnormalities are evident at birth and are corrected soon thereafter.

 

But, the "born the in the wrong body" syndrome can supposedly manifest itself at any time. This presents a dilemma for doctors IMO.

 

The patient, some scientists and public opinion are all telling us it's OK to surgically alter your body to reflect your true gender, but it's really mutilation at it's most basic level.

[MDC 7,652]

Granted, suffering physical abuse at the hands of adult is as serious as it gets. But, I gotta think his actions have hurt both his wives and children emotionally.

 

It's really apples to oranges again.

 

While I'm sure many will say he wouldn't have lived the lie for all those years if society weren't so bigoted, he made the choice to repeatedly marry and have children as a man, knowing he wasn't being true to himself or them. Those actions hardly seem courageous to me. But, maybe Arthur Ashe would see it differently.

I'm just saying his trans status isn't what hurt his family, the lying did. Had Jenner been upfront with his ex wives they could've made informed decisions about whether to be with him. He deceived them.

 

That's the crime here, not the fact that he got a sex change.

[vuduchile 1,945]

I'm just saying his trans status isn't what hurt his family, the lying did. Had Jenner been upfront with his ex wives they could've made informed decisions about whether to be with him. He deceived them.

 

That's the crime here, not the fact that he got a sex change.

Point taken

[KSB2424 3,153]

Okay, glad you have admitted your error or "pivoted away from it" if you prefer

 

I did not bring up Jerry Sandusky in this thread, somebody else did. I stated that was not a good analogy and was apples to oranges, then pivoted off of it to a different disucssion. How many times must this be stated? Good Grief either you guys don't read the thread or are delibertly obtuse.

[tanatastic 2,062]

 

Not wrong where I live... Age of Consent laws.

This. Iv posted about 4 times on this forum that the age of consent is 16 in MORE states than it is 18, yet we all have this innate sense that 18 is the strict rule. We only think that because of TV and media. If it was 14 and the media told us 14 was ok, no one would have an issue. As I always have to explain when I post this...im not into young girls, I just like pointing out that we are sheep that only believe or think what the media or society (wich is driven by media) tells us to.

 

consent is 16 in 31 states...31!

[vuduchile 1,945]

This. Iv posted about 4 times on this forum that the age of consent is 16 in MORE states than it is 18, yet we all have this innate sense that 18 is the strict rule. We only think that because of TV and media. If it was 14 and the media told us 14 was ok, no one would have an issue. As I always have to explain when I post this...im not into young girls, I just like pointing out that we are sheep that only believe or think what the media or society (wich is driven by media) tells us to.

 

consent is 16 in 31 states...31!

This is a good point. I never bothered to look it up, but I'm surprised 16 is legal in 31 states.

[tanatastic 2,062]

This is a good point. I never bothered to look it up, but I'm surprised 16 is legal in 31 states.

I was as well. I honestly just thought it was 18 across the whole country cuz I live in the california bubble.

[Mike Honcho 5,345]

This is a good point. I never bothered to look it up, but I'm surprised 16 is legal in 31 states.

 

 

Winger should change the song:

 

[Frank M 181]

Here's my thing with transgender issues...

 

You wanna dress like a chick? That's fine. Hell, you wanna pretend you're a dolphin and have a blowhole carved into your back, whatever, not my life, not my business.

 

But don't expect me to a) care and pretend that just because you turned your d!ck inside out you are a woman now.

 

You are beginning to see issues like little girls going into a ladies room and seeing a big hairy dong. Or some 6'4" "woman" with an Adam's apple playing women's sports. That's not right.

 

Personally, I think that transgender operations violate the physicians oath to "do no harm" as they are taking a functional reproductive system and turning it into a useless sack of meat. They should be referred to psychiatric care.

 

You know what's focked up? If a woman in her 20's who was having female trouble went in asking for a hysterectomy, she would have a hard time finding a doctor willing to do it so young. I know, I've had two girlfriends try. But if they go in and ask to have it turned into a cack, no problem.

 

As for this award... Courageous? Give me a break. Its attention wh0redom at its worst.

 

So to recap, do whatever you like, just leave me out of it.

 

 

Do you even have any clue what people have to go through before they are even considered for gender reassignment? 100 to 500 people have the procedure done each year. Before that, they need to undergo extensive hormone treatment and live 24/7 as their desired gender for at least a year. Only six or seven hospitals offer the surgery, and the cost can be as high as $30000 for the surgery alone, which is all out of pocket.

 

You can't just walk into a doctor's office, request a sex change, and come out as the opposite sex two weeks later.

[Mike Honcho 5,345]

 

 

Do you even have any clue what people have to go through before they are even considered for gender reassignment? 100 to 500 people have the procedure done each year. Before that, they need to undergo extensive hormone treatment and live 24/7 as their desired gender for at least a year. Only six or seven hospitals offer the surgery, and the cost can be as high as $30000 for the surgery alone, which is all out of pocket.

 

You can't just walk into a doctor's office, request a sex change, and come out as the opposite sex two weeks later.

 

Obamacare?

[Eaglesin14 12]

You seem intimately knowledgable of the minutia of this procedure, Frank.........or is it Francis?

[Mike Honcho 5,345]

You seem intimately knowledgable of the minutia of this procedure, Frank.........or is it Francis?

 

 

[Fumbleweed 554]

This. Iv posted about 4 times on this forum that the age of consent is 16 in MORE states than it is 18, yet we all have this innate sense that 18 is the strict rule. We only think that because of TV and media. If it was 14 and the media told us 14 was ok, no one would have an issue. As I always have to explain when I post this...im not into young girls, I just like pointing out that we are sheep that only believe or think what the media or society (wich is driven by media) tells us to.

 

consent is 16 in 31 states...31!

 

Again, this brings back into play the discussion of where people draw lines. If everything is arbitrary...if there is no real authoritative standard, then there is no real right or wrong...only legal vs. illegal. And, that is formulated from someone else's judgment on the matter.

 

If you don't base what's right and wrong on something concrete, I don't know what right and wrong actually becomes...

[Frank M 181]

You seem intimately knowledgable of the minutia of this procedure, Frank.........or is it Francis?

 

The Internet is much more than FFToday and right wing blogs.

 

HTH

[Eaglesin14 12]

The Internet is much more than FFToday and right wing blogs.

 

HTH

Yep. And I use it to look up things I actually care about. Apparently, you do too, Francis.

[Frank M 181]

Yep. And I use it to look up things I actually care about. Apparently, you do too, Francis.

 

If it pertains to a thread I'm participating in, I look a lot of things up.

 

 

Knowledge. Catch it.

[Eaglesin14 12]

If it pertains to a thread I'm participating in, I look a lot of things up.

 

 

Knowledge. Catch it.

I don't care enough about this freak to look it up.

 

HTH.

[Mike Honcho 5,345]

I don't care enough about this freak to look it up.

 

HTH.

 

Plus you could always just drive to Austin if you were curious.

[Frank M 181]

I don't care enough about this freak to look it up.

 

HTH.

 

I can see that. You only care enough to post about it in two separate threads.

[Eaglesin14 12]

I can see that. You only care enough to post about it in two separate threads.

I care enough to have zero posts offering an opinion on him/her/it or the procedure.

[Frank M 181]

I care enough to have zero posts offering an opinion on him/her/it or the procedure.

 

Yet you're interested enough to stick around.

[parrot 789]

 

Again, this brings back into play the discussion of where people draw lines. If everything is arbitrary...if there is no real authoritative standard, then there is no real right or wrong...only legal vs. illegal. And, that is formulated from someone else's judgment on the matter.

 

If you don't base what's right and wrong on something concrete, I don't know what right and wrong actually becomes...

 

What "authoritative standard" are you referring to here?