Let's Meet John Kasich

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You didn't think this thread was finished did you? Oh hell no.

 

Once again Kasich reminds us what common sense can be in the GOP:

 

 

 

Once again, Mr. Kasich is spot on. Good ole fashioned common sense.

 

I think what he fails to recognize is America as a whole is increasingly turning away from religion. The conservative movement is dying.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/05/12/christianity-faces-sharp-decline-as-americans-are-becoming-even-less-affiliated-with-religion/

 

That's why the GOP needs the Latino vote so badly.

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I think what he fails to recognize is America as a whole is increasingly turning away from religion. The conservative movement is dying.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/05/12/christianity-faces-sharp-decline-as-americans-are-becoming-even-less-affiliated-with-religion/

 

That's why the GOP needs the Latino vote so badly.

I'm not following where he fails though? He's a Christian. Are you saying only Athiests can be president now?

 

Kasich is religious, but he has the ability to separate religion from government and see the big picture.

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Kasich and or Paul. Since Paul has zero chance, I'd like to see Kasich. He's the only Republican candidate I'd vote for. Ted Cruz is nothing more then a obstructionist, religious zealot, blowhard, who's unwilling to work with anyone who disagrees with him, R's and D's alike. No thanks.

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While we and all the media shows ONLY talk about Trump, its up to individuals to learn about the candidates themselves. It's sad. You would hope the CNN's, the FoxNews's, the MSNBC's would give somewhat equal time to all the Presidential candidates so we could properly decided who's best. But alas, that's not what happens, its American Idol where controversy sells. This free publicity is a huge reason for Trumps rise. And it's unfortunate. All you'll hear is about how Trump isn't in the debate on TV, while nobody is actually talking about the issues at hand. It's about he soap opera stuff, not the meat and potatoes.

 

There's a saying in media "If it bleeds, it leads". That's with the news as they know people will watch negative stories more often than positive ones. Politics is no different. It's Donald Trump 24/7.

 

So you have to think for yourself, and dig and find the stories of the other, more viable candidates on your own. Like this one:

 

 

 

 

When I look at all of the Republican hopefuls, I see only one candidate who has the right mix of talents and experience and could actually successfully perform the job of president. John Kasich is the only one who knows the importance of the job of president and the responsibility that comes with it. He has decades of experience as a reformer who gets results. He realizes that toughness, character and conviction, as well as cooperation, is necessary to impart change.

While other candidates seem interested only in controversy and inflammatory statements which will drive the wedge between parties deeper than ever; making gridlock even worse and making progress impossible, Kasich has proven that he can reach across the aisle to actually pass conservative legislation. And he does this without compromising his core beliefs.

Kasich has won election and reelection to become and remain the governor of Ohio, a notorious swing state. In 2014, he beat the Democrat opponent by over 30 points. If anyone can beat the Democratic nominee and unite this country in the pursuit of national safety, financial stability, and American values, it is John Kasich. On matters of values, Kasich recognizes the importance of family and education in this country and has never been afraid to stand by his beliefs.

John Kasich’s track record on two pressing issues, the economy and national defense, is unmatched. What other candidate has actually balanced the federal budget? Only John Kasich when he was chairman of the Budget Committee. He has the most extensive experience of any candidate to protect America. He served on the Armed Services Committee in Congress and understands our military might and how and when to use it effectively. He even worked with our own Sen. Grassley to reform the Pentagon and their bad spending habits. You see, John Kasich isn’t afraid of making tough decisions and standing up to special interests. He’s proven that time and again and with great results. No other candidate has the proven success at the federal level as well as the proven track record as chief executive of one of the largest states.

Kasich knows from experience what it means to be a successful conservative leader. As president, he would stand up for the beliefs which have made this nation a success. He would look out for the interests of those at home who need help the most, and he would use his foreign policy experience to keep those people and all Americans safe from foreign aggression. John Kasich has clear plans for balancing the budget, fostering an economic climate to usher in more jobs and higher wages, and defeating ISIS. He is the singular candidate who has the experience to take action and turn this country around.

 

 

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/columnists/iowa-view/caucus/2016/01/27/kasich-stands-alone/79368858/

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Part of why Trump is popular is why Kasich is not.

A large group of angry people pissed about immigration.

 

Never mind that Trumps idea is stupid, we can't pay for it, and it likely will stop nothing...there is a huge block of people that think that is the big issue.

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Kasich is against collective bargaining, and tried to do away with it in Ohio. Plus he's from Wall Street. Nope.

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LOL. So glad this disaster will never sniff the nomination.

 

Not a conservative.

Not even a moderate.

He is an Obama Republican.

 

 

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Obama Republican?

 

He is strong in the two biggest issues.

 

Your boy Cruz is being seen as almost as bad as Trump right now.

 

He will get trounced if he gets the nomination.

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Hour and 20 minutes in and Kasich has been asked two questions.

 

It's more about ratings then anything else.

 

I guess John should have flip flopped more in the past so he'd be asked questions about it and given air time.

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LOL. So glad this disaster will never sniff the nomination.

 

Not a conservative.

Not even a moderate.

He is an Obama Republican.

 

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/02/01/attack-ad-misrepresents-john-kasichs-record-on-taxes-in-ohio/

 

 

 

This ad by dark-money group American Future Fund, a politically active 501©(4) nonprofit, attacks Ohio Gov. John Kasich over being an “Obama Republican.” You see more information about this ad at Political TV Ad Archive, which tracks and records political ads aired in key primary states.

 

The Facts

The ad attacks Kasich’s record on three issues: Common Core, Medicaid expansion under the Affordable Care Act, and taxes.

The argument against Common Core as a federal curriculum coercion backed by the Obama administration is misleading. Governors and school chiefs in most states crafted standards through the Common Core national initiative. States can decide to adopt the standards, revise them then allow school districts to choose their curricula.

Regarding Common Core, Kasich has maintained it was a state decision to adopt higher education standards. As for allowing Medicaid expansion in Ohio, Kasich has said it would help Ohio’s poorest residents. He opposed ACA exchanges in Ohio.

On taxes, the ad cites a Feb. 3, 2015, Columbus Dispatch article about Kasich’s budget proposal for fiscal year 2016-2017. He proposed cutting income taxes by 23 percent (including eliminating income taxes on many small business owners), while raising the state sales tax by another half a cent to cover the cost of the income tax cuts.

American Future Fund founder Nick Ryan pointed to each of the proposed sales tax increases, including higher taxes on bigger businesses, a cigarette tax increase and a new tax on electronic cigarettes, and tax increases on oil-and-gas drillers, the Columbus Dispatch reported.

But overall, Kasich’s budget would have resulted in a net tax savings for Ohioans.

 

Of course, the actual budget enacted in June 2015 looked different from Kasich’s wish list. The state General Assembly scaled back Kasich’s income tax cut, and set aside his request for sales tax increases. Compared to Kasich’s budget, the enacted budget had a smaller cigarette tax increase and larger net tax savings.

Kasich’s sales tax increases, mainly in cigarette taxes, would have hurt low-income residents, said Zach Schiller, research director at the progressive policy research institute Policy Matters Ohio. Overall, lower-income Ohioans have “not benefited gigantically” from Kasich’s tax policies, Schiller said.

 

 

Still, Schiller said: “The idea that he’s out there raising taxes in some way is erroneous. … If you were trying to come up with a bullet point on Gov. Kasich regarding taxes, you would not say he’s a tax raiser.”

The impact on low-income families is an ongoing criticism by opponents of Kasich’s decision to transition Ohio’s tax system to a consumption tax-based system from an income-tax based one. The Kasich campaign acknowledged such a transition requires some tax increases, such as on sales and tobacco. But income taxes have always gone down by a greater amount, said Scott Milburn, campaign spokesman: “These changes have always been made in concert, in the same legislation. To discuss one change out of context with another is therefore deliberately misleading.”

To help offset the impact on low-income families, Kasich signed the earned-income tax credit in the fiscal 2012-13 budget and doubled it in the fiscal 2014 budget, Milburn noted. Plus, the personal income tax exemptions have been increased for low- and middle-income families.

There has been a net tax cut of $5 billion under Kasich’s governorship, according to state budget officials. The left-leaning Center for Budget and Policy Priorities found that Ohio ranks among the top five states with the biggest income tax cuts, as a share of the state’s economy.

He received a D in the libertarian Cato Institute’s 2014 Fiscal Policy Report Card, but was praised for his income tax cuts and the tax reform legislative packages he signed into law. His score was dragged down by his spending increases, the report card said. His decision to expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act also hurt his score.

 

 

 

The Pinocchio Test

The ad grossly exaggerates Kasich’s record on taxes. Yes, he did increase taxes by “billions” of dollars, but he also cut taxes by billions – for a net tax decrease in the most recent state budget, and for his gubernatorial term so far. The budget that was actually enacted looked different from Kasich’s wish list, and had a greater net tax savings than Kasich had called for.

The ad says Kasich’s budget hit “businesses hard and the middle class even harder,” but that also is a misleading characterization. Kasich’s budget would have eliminated income taxes for small-business owners. While sales tax increases affect low- to middle-income families more than the affluent, the state also increased personal income tax exemptions and created the earned-income tax credit to help offset the impact.

Even Kasich’s critics agree there has been a net tax decrease in Ohio under Kasich. Perhaps American Future Fund should pick a new attack ad talking point. We award Three Pinocchios.

 

 

If its in an attack ad, it must be true. Right GoColts?

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/02/01/attack-ad-misrepresents-john-kasichs-record-on-taxes-in-ohio/

 

 

 

If its in an attack ad, it must be true. Right GoColts?

You're wasting your breath. Go colts is from the certifiable moonbat wing of your party and, hate to tell you, but they're holding all the marbles right now

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/02/01/attack-ad-misrepresents-john-kasichs-record-on-taxes-in-ohio/

 

 

 

 

If its in an attack ad, it must be true. Right GoColts?

Nope, those are usually false or misleading. I just thought it was funny because the one part NAILED it. Obama Republican.

 

A moderate guy like Kasich can not win the general election. No possible way. Sure, he MIGHT draw SOME independent folks, but the net loss(Forcing the entire base of the GOP to stay home) is far too much for him to overcome.

 

We have heard the same crap for years. Only a moderate can win. McCain and Romney proved they can't.

 

The establishment type guys have FOCKED the GOP for a long time. Elect us and we will stop Obama. I can't think of much of anything they have stopped him on. Last midterms REALLY pissed folks off. The GOP ran on a platform of basically saying give us the majority in both houses and we can stop Obama. They turned right around and gave him everything.

 

How are you not tired of that shtt??? I seriously want to know.

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We have heard the same crap for years. Only a moderate can win. McCain and Romney proved they can't.

 

 

McCain lost because he chose Sarah Palin as a running mate.

 

Romney lost because he was a ginormous phony and bald-faced flip flopper

 

HTH

 

It is BEYOND BELIEF™ that you don't realize this

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Nope, those are usually false or misleading. I just thought it was funny because the one part NAILED it. Obama Republican.

 

A moderate guy like Kasich can not win the general election. No possible way. Sure, he MIGHT draw SOME independent folks, but the net loss(Forcing the entire base of the GOP to stay home) is far too much for him to overcome.

 

We have heard the same crap for years. Only a moderate can win. McCain and Romney proved they can't.

 

The establishment type guys have FOCKED the GOP for a long time. Elect us and we will stop Obama. I can't think of much of anything they have stopped him on. Last midterms REALLY pissed folks off. The GOP ran on a platform of basically saying give us the majority in both houses and we can stop Obama. They turned right around and gave him everything.

 

How are you not tired of that shtt??? I seriously want to know.

 

I understand the sentiment of rallying behind a new guy, a non politician guy like a Trump - Carson - Fiorina to send a message. To upset the apple cart if you will. I really do understand that sentiment.

 

The problem is that Donald Trump is the wrong person to rally behind. It's akin to the BLM movement picking Michael Brown as their rallying point. I understand the thought, but you picked the wrong dude, therefore you get a big ole FAIL.

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Nope, those are usually false or misleading. I just thought it was funny because the one part NAILED it. Obama Republican.

 

A moderate guy like Kasich can not win the general election. No possible way. Sure, he MIGHT draw SOME independent folks, but the net loss(Forcing the entire base of the GOP to stay home) is far too much for him to overcome.

 

We have heard the same crap for years. Only a moderate can win. McCain and Romney proved they can't.

 

The establishment type guys have FOCKED the GOP for a long time. Elect us and we will stop Obama. I can't think of much of anything they have stopped him on. Last midterms REALLY pissed folks off. The GOP ran on a platform of basically saying give us the majority in both houses and we can stop Obama. They turned right around and gave him everything.

 

How are you not tired of that shtt??? I seriously want to know.

 

Also, It's a false narrative to assume that because McCain and Romney lost to Barrack Obama that the strategy of a Moderate Republican winning somehow no longer holds true.

 

The reason most Americans (the 60% in the middle non fringe folks) are fed up with Washington is because of gridlock, because of the bickering, because of the finger pointing and thus inability to get much accomplished. Congress gets a 20% approval rating not because most people could even name 3 congressmen, its because they see the polarization and the in-fighting. As opposed to working together to solve problems.

 

The far right 20% are mad as hell that the GOP didn't "stand up" to Obama more. The far left 20% are actually mad at Obama because he didn't do enough to progress their agenda. For these reasons you see a Bernie Sanders and a Donald Trump - Ted Cruz doing well in this nomination cycle.

 

The truth is the majority of people want Washington to work together. Let's pretend Ted Cruz wins the Presidency and the Senate is controlled by the Democrats. Well guess what we are going to have? Years of political non sense and back an forth. Stand off's and stare downs. Ted trying to do this and that, the Senate shooting it down, it will be great fodder for CNN but it will just more of the same Washington in-fighting. The checks and balances this country has is a safety net so a fringe candidate doesn't come in an do whatever they want. It's an internal control our founders set, and its fantastic.

 

So if you really think this through, a vote for Ted Cruz is a vote for just more of the same. Only a moderate Republican, one that brings people together, one that compromise to get things accomplished, one that works across the aisle while also keeping their core values in tact is the one that actually CHANGES anything. That is the reality.

 

Washington working again is what the real change would be. Just more polarized fighting between the President - Senate - Congress is what you'd get with a Cruz or Trump Presidency.

 

You got it bass ackwards.

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Also, It's a false narrative to assume that because McCain and Romney lost to Barrack Obama that the strategy of a Moderate Republican winning somehow no longer holds true.

 

The reason most Americans (the 60% in the middle non fringe folks) are fed up with Washington is because of gridlock, because of the bickering, because of the finger pointing and thus inability to get much accomplished. Congress gets a 20% approval rating not because most people could even name 3 congressmen, its because they see the polarization and the in-fighting. As opposed to working together to solve problems.

 

The far right 20% are mad as hell that the GOP didn't "stand up" to Obama more. The far left 20% are actually mad at Obama because he didn't do enough to progress their agenda. For these reasons you see a Bernie Sanders and a Donald Trump - Ted Cruz doing well in this nomination cycle.

 

The truth is the majority of people want Washington to work together. Let's pretend Ted Cruz wins the Presidency and the Senate is controlled by the Democrats. Well guess what we are going to have? Years of political non sense and back an forth. Ted trying to do this and that, the Senate shooting it down, it will be great fodder for CNN but it will just more of the same Washington in-fighting. The checks and balances this country has is a safety net so a fringe candidate doesn't come in an do whatever they want. It's an internal control our founders set, and its fantastic.

 

So if you really think this through, a vote for Ted Cruz is a vote for just more of the same. Only a moderate Republican, one that brings people together, one that compromise to get things accomplished, one that works across the aisle while also keeping their core values in tact is the one that actually CHANGES anything. That is the reality.

 

Washington working again is what the real change would be. Just more polarized fighting between the President - Senate - Congress is what you'd get with a Cruz or Trump Presidency.

 

You got it bass ackwards.

This and, a Cruz or Trump presidency would virtually guarantee a Republican loss of Congress.

 

Also, it is the candidates themselves who are out of touch. If you look at polls, most people are for gun control, for immigration reform, etc. The hard core conservatives are a fraction of the population.

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A moderate guy like Kasich can not win the general election. No possible way. Sure, he MIGHT draw SOME independent folks, but the net loss(Forcing the entire base of the GOP to stay home) is far too much for him to overcome.

 

If they do that if a more moderate candidate runs then I hope they like Hillary because that is what they will deserve.

 

I play poker with a group of guys much more successful in business and with much more money than me. two contractor/developers, A golf course owner, three car lot owners, a marina owner, Three State Sea Tow owner/operator and some guys that retired early that fly around in their planes. All hard working. All fiscally conservative. Last night someone mentioned Cruiz and everyone went off on what a douche he is. Not so much for his record but no one there could stand his Christian religious ramblings. Most said they would vote for him over Sanders or Hillary but a few said there is no way their wives would vote for him. Two said their wives would vote for any Republican except for Cruiz including Trump. Most liked Rubio and when I mentioned Kasich they liked him but he is an also ran at this point. (I actually think Kasich/Rubio or Rubio/Kasich would be a great ticket because they would help deliver Florida and Ohio which are two big swing states,) But if you think most Republicans want to hear about how religious a politician is I would disagree. Some of these guys go to church but are turned off by a religious zealot like Cruiz. Many of us don't want to be preached to by a politician. He may have won in Iowa but I think and hope it is all downhill from here for him.

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Kasich is campaigning for VP, the likeable moderate element for the general election to balance the hard right fight of the primary. And he delivers Ohio as Bill said and agree Rubio/Kasich has a nice mix along w FL & OH

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I love PINK FLOYD as much as the next guy, but really J.K.?

 

http://pitchfork.com/news/63307-republican-presidential-candidate-john-kasich-promises-to-reunite-pink-floyd-if-elected/

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Also, It's a false narrative to assume that because McCain and Romney lost to Barrack Obama that the strategy of a Moderate Republican winning somehow no longer holds true.

 

The reason most Americans (the 60% in the middle non fringe folks) are fed up with Washington is because of gridlock, because of the bickering, because of the finger pointing and thus inability to get much accomplished. Congress gets a 20% approval rating not because most people could even name 3 congressmen, its because they see the polarization and the in-fighting. As opposed to working together to solve problems.

 

The far right 20% are mad as hell that the GOP didn't "stand up" to Obama more. The far left 20% are actually mad at Obama because he didn't do enough to progress their agenda. For these reasons you see a Bernie Sanders and a Donald Trump - Ted Cruz doing well in this nomination cycle.

 

The truth is the majority of people want Washington to work together. Let's pretend Ted Cruz wins the Presidency and the Senate is controlled by the Democrats. Well guess what we are going to have? Years of political non sense and back an forth. Stand off's and stare downs. Ted trying to do this and that, the Senate shooting it down, it will be great fodder for CNN but it will just more of the same Washington in-fighting. The checks and balances this country has is a safety net so a fringe candidate doesn't come in an do whatever they want. It's an internal control our founders set, and its fantastic.

 

So if you really think this through, a vote for Ted Cruz is a vote for just more of the same. Only a moderate Republican, one that brings people together, one that compromise to get things accomplished, one that works across the aisle while also keeping their core values in tact is the one that actually CHANGES anything. That is the reality.

 

Washington working again is what the real change would be. Just more polarized fighting between the President - Senate - Congress is what you'd get with a Cruz or Trump Presidency.

 

You got it bass ackwards.

THANKS for answering me bro, I really appreciate hearing where you are coming from on this.

 

Here is part my problem with moderates. Most folks say they want a moderate but when the GOP nominates one, they STILL go ahead and vote democrat because there is not enough difference. I heard folks for years claim they would vote for a McCain type guy, yet he lost to a big time liberal guy. So I am just not buying this any longer. I did at one time, but no longer.

 

The main problem is this. The GOP seem incompetent. They have been making deals for the last 7 years and they get virtually nothing every single time. When they make deals, we all lose. Obama told folks to get to the back of the bus because they(The liberals) won. Once the GOP took over the houses, nothing changed. In fact, it still seems like Harry is still leading the Senate.

 

I disagree with you on this and am tired of seeing this crap of compromise because when they say compromise, that general means the democrats get most of what they want and GOP gets next to nothing.

 

Also, they said the exact same thing about Reagan, and he was able to get all kinds of shtt done.

 

THANKS for replying though, I seriously appreciate it bro.

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If they do that if a more moderate candidate runs then I hope they like Hillary because that is what they will deserve.

 

I play poker with a group of guys much more successful in business and with much more money than me. two contractor/developers, A golf course owner, three car lot owners, a marina owner, Three State Sea Tow owner/operator and some guys that retired early that fly around in their planes. All hard working. All fiscally conservative. Last night someone mentioned Cruiz and everyone went off on what a douche he is. Not so much for his record but no one there could stand his Christian religious ramblings. Most said they would vote for him over Sanders or Hillary but a few said there is no way their wives would vote for him. Two said their wives would vote for any Republican except for Cruiz including Trump. Most liked Rubio and when I mentioned Kasich they liked him but he is an also ran at this point. (I actually think Kasich/Rubio or Rubio/Kasich would be a great ticket because they would help deliver Florida and Ohio which are two big swing states,) But if you think most Republicans want to hear about how religious a politician is I would disagree. Some of these guys go to church but are turned off by a religious zealot like Cruiz. Many of us don't want to be preached to by a politician. He may have won in Iowa but I think and hope it is all downhill from here for him.

Sounds like these guys believe conservatism is dead. If that is the case, we are doomed as a nation. Our kids are so focked, it is sad.

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Sounds like these guys believe conservatism is dead. If that is the case, we are doomed as a nation. Our kids are so focked, it is sad.

Social conservatism is stone cold dead. As a door nail.

 

Fiscal conservatism still has relevance.

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Social conservatism is stone cold dead. As a door nail.

 

Fiscal conservatism still has relevance.

 

Rand Paul gets this.

 

Got this

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Sounds like these guys believe conservatism is dead. If that is the case, we are doomed as a nation. Our kids are so focked, it is sad.

Like Titans said Social conservatism is not a big deal to most of them. Personally I line up 50/50 on social issues with Dems. Seperation Church/State, abortion, Gay marriage etc. I could have supported Cruiz until he started the religious talk then I tuned him right out. When you start talking dollars and cents and national security I go right. How with what is going on in Europe any sane person would want to bring in Syrian refugees makes my head spin.

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Kasich on ISIS - Syria - etc.

 

 

 

It's a long video, so nobody here will watch it. So I picked out a few parts from the transcript.

 

Last Friday in Paris it was made obvious to the world yet again that there is an enormous chasm between the worldview of civilized people and the worldview of those who committed these acts of horror. We believe that life has value and meaning. They see no value even in their own lives, let alone others. We believe that different views and ideas should be respected, and these make us stronger. They believe the answer to disagreement is death. We believe men and women are equal. They believe women are property. We live in the light of God’s love for all creation. They pervert and hijack one of the world's principal religions. We live in the modern world, a world of free expression, a world of science, of respect for individual rights and liberties. They live in a darkness devoid of even the basic understanding of humanity. We forget these differences—it’s at our peril. Unless we want to see the bloodshed of Paris visited here in America and in the streets of our allies’ capitals, we need to get serious, immediately, about dealing with this threat.

 

We must invoke Article 5, the mutual defense clause of the North American Treaty, and bring NATO together to assist our ally France in its defense. I agree with President Hollande that Friday’s attacks were an act of war by ISIS on France, and therefore they were an attack on America and every other NATO member state. NATO came to our aid after 9/11. NATO must now do so again for France. We must be swift, we must be decisive, and we must be absolute. We must intensify international intelligence cooperation by identifying, exchanging information on, tracking and – if necessary – arresting the thousands of foreign volunteers currently fighting with ISIS who then later return to their home countries.

 

Relationships with our allies are critical to all we must do going forward. Friends like those in Europe have been ignored. Friends like Israel have been abused. We need to repair the damage. There is strength in numbers, strength in consensus, and by acting in concert with our allies, by sharing intelligence, by working together in international bodies, we can more effectively advance our interests and we can keep Americans safe.

 

You know, this is not our battle alone. We should join with those moderate Muslims who have condemned the attack on Paris and who see through the lie of extremism. We must encourage them and join with them to speak with one voice so that the world’s young people understand what is a lie, what is true, what is darkness, and what is light—and life.

 

Finally, a word about how I see America’s role in the world. There seems to be a fear today to call America exceptional. I believe America is exceptional. It is simply a statement of the obvious. We are exceptional because of our uniqueness. America is not a language or ethnic group or religion. We are the melting pot of every people in the world. So when Paris hurts, we hurt. When Ukraine hurts, we hurt. And, conversely, when those places hurt and we don’t act—the world is weaker, and so are we. Throughout all of our history, America has never been afraid to fight for our values and ideas. Oh yeah, it’s okay that sometimes we argue. That’s just part of it. You know, the fact that we have disagreements is part of how we live. But at each moment of crisis we have united as a nation. At each moment we came together in common cause. At each moment we united the civilized world. And of course we came out stronger because of it. This is that moment. It’s not someone else’s job, nor is it our job alone. It is in the hands of each of us and our allies to realize that we can change the world. We can fix this. We can make America and the world a safer place to ensure that children and grandchildren can live to fulfill their dreams and ours. Thank you.

 

Some of the GOP doesn't want to "Nation Build" (see Iraq) nor do they want to go it alone combating global issues (rather use a coalition of forces). But they do feel that America is a leader and should help lead the civilized world against world violence and extremism.

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Friends like Israel have been abused.

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ISIS is not an existential threat to America. Special forces only should be used to kill their leaders and keep them in check. If the governments of the Middle East want to unfock themselves and do something about radical Islam, we should help. Until then, no.

 

Our strategic priorities should be China and Russia.

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That's fine. I'm glad out of all that you only found one thing.

 

My point of posting that was to illustrate the differences between Kasich and some other GOP nominees.

 

Kasich speaks to being inclusive of moderate Muslims while a Trump wanted to have a religious test. ISIS isn't a war on Islam rather a war on those extremists who pervert it.

 

Kasich doesn't want huge ground force nation building like we attempted in Iraq, but rather working in concert with allies to defeat a problem. And that may mean 'some' boots (along with all of NATO)

 

If you listen to the whole thing its a well thought out, pragmatic, realist view on global issues. He's a Republican so you'll get a bit of stuff you may not like, but he's the most common sense, problem solver of them all.

 

:swallows:

[KSB2424 3,148]

Our strategic priorities should be China and Russia.

 

By invading Georgia, annexing Crimea, fomenting a murderous proxy war in Eastern Ukraine, mounting provocative patrols, and building out its base structure in both Kaliningrad and Belarus, Russia has once again become a threat to European security. Russia’s leadership today does not respect the basic tenets of the international order, namely territorial integrity and the rule of law. Those are basic values of international relations, and Russia’s failure to respect them is simply not compatible with constructive relations with the West. We must work together with our European allies to defend a Free Ukraine. That includes training and arming Ukrainian forces with the weapons that they have asked for and which Congress has already approved. It also means focusing on the defense of new NATO member states on the front lines with Russia, such as Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia. NATO must be vigilant and protective of its eastern-most member states who live every day in Russia's shadow.

 

While Russia's actions are forcing us to take tough measures to achieve peace through strength and safeguard our friends and our allies, I will make it clear that the door to negotiations remains open. I am confident that by sitting and talking together with our allies, Russia and America, that we can forge a new European security architecture that accommodates their interests without damaging those of NATO member states.

 

The U.S. does not seek confrontation with China. We should remain open to working responsibly with our allies and with China as an equal stakeholder. Together, we should be able to forge innovative solutions and institutions that respect and accommodate the national security interests of all Pacific powers. The same mistakes in judgment and strategy that have let terrorism flourish in recent years and wrongly signaled weakness to Russia and China are found throughout American national security policy right now, and it all comes down to this: we have not led. Because leadership has not been a priority, we have been content to let the tools of leadership—our military and our alliance relations—grow weak and frayed. We have even hesitated to express and live by the values at the core of who we are. It’s time for a change

[hoytdwow 202]

 

 

 

Fair enough. But, no to the ISIS/middle east adventure stuff.

[gocolts 300]

Social conservatism is stone cold dead. As a door nail.

 

Fiscal conservatism still has relevance.

I would love to believe that fiscal conservatism is not dead. I do not even give a shtt about the social crap much anymore.

 

 

What I find stunning is how all these attacks on Cruz seem to be working even though damn near every single one of them were used against Reagan as well.

 

It is not like it was 200 years ago, but evidently, folks have short memories.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Bumpity Bump. :dancingbanana:

[Hardcore troubadour 15,424]

Kasich would gladly pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Kasich would gladly pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today.

Kasich helped balance the federal budget. But yeah, sweet saying.

[Voltaire 5,316]

Kasich would gladly pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today.

 

That's Jeb! and Rubio.

 

Kasich is one of the few Republicans who are actually good at math.

[hoytdwow 202]

Well well, looks like some adults finally showed up. Good on you, New Hampshire.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Well well, looks like some adults finally showed up. Good on you, New Hampshire.

 

The problem now it's on to...............South Carolina.

 

Here come the Cruz Crusaders. We're white, we're religious, and wer'e angry. Aaaaargh!!!!!!

[Cloaca du jour 2,149]

Besides being goalie for the dart team, he is a big anti union guy like that putz from wisconsin. He abhors public education and does everything he can to push those million into segregated charter schools.

[DankNuggs 305]

I would love to believe that fiscal conservatism is not dead. I do not even give a shtt about the social crap much anymore.

 

 

What I find stunning is how all these attacks on Cruz seem to be working even though damn near every single one of them were used against Reagan as well.

 

It is not like it was 200 years ago, but evidently, folks have short memories.

Hate to break it to you but fiscal conservatism is dead in all but metaphoric ideology. You couldn't implement fiscal conservatism in a timeframe that could outlast recession/depression that it would cause. By definition it would contract our economy substantially. And as our economic system is about the outlook of future growth, you'd need at least a decade to shake it out. And by then we'd have 2 terms of democrats turning on the printing press to save the day... You can use the ideology to balance just outright fiscal irresponsibility, but you aren't putting the toothpaste back in the tube

[DankNuggs 305]

Besides being goalie for the dart team, he is a big anti union guy like that putz from wisconsin. He abhors public education and does everything he can to push those million into segregated charter schools.

All public school education should follow charter school framework.