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[IGotWorms 4,063]

You had a mugging victim in New York during Ed Koch's crime imperium get fed up and aquire a gun. Then one day, another band of thugs come up armed with sharpened screwdrivers, surround him, and demand money.

 

So he went around the circle and gave them each what they deserved. He got off the subway and could have easily just vanished but instead turned himself in to the cops.

He fled to Vermont and New Hampshire. And tried to destroy the evidence.

 

Only "turned himself in" after learning that they were on to him and capture was inevitable.

 

Got a $43 million civil judgment against him too. Criminal trial was a joke based on how many of Goetz's own statements the defense had to walk back.

 

Some hero you got there

[Voltaire 5,500]

He fled to Vermont and New Hampshire. And tried to destroy the evidence.

 

Only "turned himself in" after learning that they were on to him and capture was inevitable.

 

Got a $43 million civil judgment against him too. Criminal trial was a joke based on how many of Goetz's own statements the defense had to walk back.

 

Some hero you got there

I don't remember it that way. I do know the criminals sued their victim and won a lot of money but as I recall in the end he never paid anything.

[MDC 7,949]

I don't remember it that way. I do know the criminals sued their victim and won a lot of money but as I recall in the end he never paid anything.

Do you remember Goetz own statement that he didn't think they were armed, shot the first in the chest without warning, shot 2 more in the back while they were retreating and then the 4th from point blank range?

[IGotWorms 4,063]

I don't remember it that way. I do know the criminals sued their victim and won a lot of money but as I recall in the end he never paid anything.

You can't get blood from a stone.

[Voltaire 5,500]

Do you remember Goetz own statement that he didn't think they were armed, shot the first in the chest without warning, shot 2 more in the back while they were retreating and then the 4th from point blank range?

Or the muggers admit they intended to rob him?

 

Or that they all had previous arrests and that they all went on to commit armed robberies and assaults later in life.

 

Fock them.

[MDC 7,949]

Or the muggers admit they intended to rob him?

 

Or that they all had previous arrests and that they all went on to commit armed robberies and assaults later in life.

 

Fock them.

I don't feel bad for the assailants but that doesn't make Goetz any less of a freak. And based on your own comments you seem to be remembering a rose colored glasses version of this story because you have basic facts wrong.

[Voltaire 5,500]

I don't feel bad for the assailants but that doesn't make Goetz any less of a freak. And based on your own comments you seem to be remembering a rose colored glasses version of this story because you have basic facts wrong.

Actually I went back just now and checked out either you or worm's story of the police investigation and that version accurately describes how the next week after the failed robbery went down.

[Voltaire 5,500]

I don't feel bad for the assailants but that doesn't make Goetz any less of a freak.

Honest, gainfully employed people minding their own business on the subway are freaks?

[Mungwater 601]

Honest, gainfully employed people minding their own business on the subway are freaks?

He's so honest he burned his clothes and took apart the weapon.

[Voltaire 5,500]

He's so honest he burned his clothes and took apart the weapon.

He was scared and didn't know what he was doing. I may well have done the same thing in his position.

 

New York in the '80s was riddled with a precursor to 'Black Loves Matter' where the same mentality that victims don't matter and criminals do was running amok. With criminal coddlers running the city, even though what he did was totally justifiable, who knows what would happen.

[MDC 7,949]

Honest, gainfully employed people minding their own business on the subway are freaks?

According to Goetz he had no idea the muggers were armed because no one threatened him with a screwdriver. So he drew his gun and shot one in the chest. Then he shot 2 more in the back and a third one who was sitting down from point blank range after saying "You look okay - have another one." He considered then gauging that mugger's eye out with his keys but reconsidered. Goetz said he would have continued shooting then all but he ran out of bullets. This is all from his own account to police.

 

Look, I am all in favor of concealed carry permits and defending oneself from assault. I stop short of calling a guy a hero for using vastly more force than the situation calls for, especially when he's unloading a gun in a subway full of bystanders.

 

You picked a really bad hero.

[Voltaire 5,500]

You picked a really bad hero.

There aren't a whole lot of media darling heroes going around to choose from. Crime rates were through the roof in big cities in the 80s, criminals were coddled, people were fed up.

 

Here we had a former victim, denied a gun through a city ordinance that would later be ruled unconstitutional, who had enough of the harassment and the pandering to criminals who stood up for himself.

 

He wasn't looking to be a hero, he just wanted to go home. The opening for heroism was thrust upon him against his will and he was fortunatly ready and prepared for it, despite efforts by the city to stop him, and he succeeded rather than be a victim again.

 

I'll stand up Bernie Goetz's action any day. And really it was a wake up call for everyone. People were fed up. Laws around the nation changed soon thereafter and the crime rate plunged.

 

So he'll yeah he's a hero. If you like safe streets and communities, Geotz triggered that too, not just the worthless criminals confronting him that day.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

He was scared and didn't know what he was doing.

[Fenster 6]

. And based on your own comments you seem to be remembering a rose colored glasses version of this story because you have basic facts wrong.

Never lets the facts get in the way

[RLLD 4,275]

So he'll yeah he's a hero. If you like safe streets and communities, Geotz triggered that too, not just the worthless criminals confronting him that day.

 

Those people were just protesting their poverty........

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

There aren't a whole lot of media darling heroes going around to choose from. Crime rates were through the roof in big cities in the 80s, criminals were coddled, people were fed up.

 

Here we had a former victim, denied a gun through a city ordinance that would later be ruled unconstitutional, who had enough of the harassment and the pandering to criminals who stood up for himself.

 

He wasn't looking to be a hero, he just wanted to go home. The opening for heroism was thrust upon him against his will and he was fortunatly ready and prepared for it, despite efforts by the city to stop him, and he succeeded rather than be a victim again.

 

I'll stand up Bernie Goetz's action any day. And really it was a wake up call for everyone. People were fed up. Laws around the nation changed soon thereafter and the crime rate plunged.

 

So he'll yeah he's a hero. If you like safe streets and communities, Geotz triggered that too, not just the worthless criminals confronting him that day.

Crime rates started plunging after Goetz shooting in 1984? Where? You just made that up. Crime got steadily worse after that, for some years. Goetz played no role. If you want to know what crime spurred action it was the murder of Brian Watkins, a guy from Utah on his way to the US open.

[RLLD 4,275]

Crime rates started plunging after Goetz shooting in 1984? Where? You just made that up. Crime got steadily worse after that, for some years. Goetz played no role. If you want to know what crime spurred action it was the murder of Brian Watkins, a guy from Utah on his way to the US open.

 

While legalized abortion seems to have had a tangible impact, leading to an overall nationwide reduction in crime in NYC the issue was still pretty bad into the mid-90's, until Bill Bratton went to war with the criminals.

 

This was impressively impactful, but it sure did get criminals crying loudly about being harassed....or messed with....or the meanie police being mean to them......boohooo. The people, the GOOD people, of NYC have been benefiting from this for two decades now....

[KSB2424 3,174]

Can somebody wake me up when this Trump stuff is over. Surely it bottoms out and he flames out at some point. TIA

[NewbieJr 541]

Can somebody wake me up when this Trump stuff is over. Surely it bottoms out and he flames out at some point. TIA

I think he may have to murder someone for the idiot supporters to abandon him.

[Saint Elistan 106]

Can somebody wake me up when this Trump stuff is over. Surely it bottoms out and he flames out at some point. TIA

 

Then you have Carson, the Creationist, on deck. Crassic.

[Frank M 181]

 

Then you have Carson, the Creationist, on deck. Crassic.

 

Who has vastly less political experience than Obama did when he was campaigning, but somehow that's okay.

[Voltaire 5,500]

I hate having to take all these candidates seriously but the enthusiasm for Hillary just isn't there.

 

I'm totally thrilled with Trump's campaign finance stand. Carson has another huge topic of mine in Balanced Budget and debt issues. Full props. In a sh1tty year like 2016 in a matchup against Hillary, would that be enough.... Maybe... Maybe. It wouldn't take much.

[Voltaire 5,500]

 

Who has vastly less political experience than Obama did when he was campaigning, but somehow that's okay.

Everybody sucks and we're desperate. After you go through all the options and discard them all to be turds, you have to go back through them all again to see which turd smells least bad.

[NewbieJr 541]

I just heard that Bernie Sanders is pushing to take the cap off of social security contributions. Obviously, anyone making over $117,000 per year won't like that, but they are a huge minority. I'm starting to like this guy. He is not afraid of people with money.

[Saint Elistan 106]

I just heard that Bernie Sanders is pushing to take the cap off of social security contributions. Obviously, anyone making over $117,000 per year won't like that, but they are a huge minority. I'm starting to like this guy. He is not afraid of people with money.

 

First political candidate I have ever donated money to.

[KSB2424 3,174]

I just heard that Bernie Sanders is pushing to take the cap off of social security contributions. Obviously, anyone making over $117,000 per year won't like that, but they are a huge minority. I'm starting to like this guy. He is not afraid of people with money.

 

So is he going to un-cap the benefits received as well?

[NewbieJr 541]

 

So is he going to un-cap the benefits received as well?

You'll have to look that up.

[KSB2424 3,174]

You'll have to look that up.

 

I'm just saying, both the tax and the benefit are capped. The tax is flat and slightly regressive (with a cap). But what they fail to mention is the benefit received is highly progressive also with a cap. People only talk about one side of that ledger when discussing SS.

[Brad GLuckman 519]

I'm just saying, both the tax and the benefit are capped. The tax is flat and slightly regressive (with a cap). But what they fail to mention is the benefit received is highly progressive also with a cap. People only talk about one side of that ledger when discussing SS.

I would assume the benefits cap would remain. The thought is that some people don't need SS to survive retirement and they should contribute more to help fund the program.

[KSB2424 3,174]

I would assume the benefits cap would remain. The thought is that some people don't need SS to survive retirement and they should contribute more to help fund the program.

The benefit is capped and highly progressive. A person making six figures will only get back approx. 25% of what they put in. A person retiring at 30k will get 150% of what the put in. The higher earners are already funding most of SS.

 

Raising the cap to like 200k is one thing, uncapping it totally is a 6.2% tax hike. That is substantial and there would be downstream effects. It sounds good but most tax economists think it's dangerous.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

The benefit is capped and highly progressive. A person making six figures will only get back approx. 25% of what they put in. A person retiring at 30k will get 150% of what the put in. The higher earners are already funding most of SS.

 

Raising the cap to like 200k is one thing, uncapping it totally is a 6.2% tax hike. That is substantial and there would be downstream effects. It sounds good but most tax economists think it's dangerous.

I'm all for getting the rich to pay their fair share, but not for S.S. If we just got rid of capital gains, or lowered the threshold at least, we would be in a lot better shape.

[Baker Boy 1,710]

I'm all for getting the rich to pay their fair share, but not for S.S. If we just got rid of capital gains, or lowered the threshold at least, we would be in a lot better shape.

What would their fair share be? Right now the top 1% pay more income tax than the bottom 90%. It is sad watching a bunch of lazy socialists talk about taking other people's money when they should be working.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

What would their fair share be? Right now the top 1% pay more income tax than the bottom 90%. It is sad watching a bunch of lazy socialists talk about taking other people's money when they should be working.

Their fair share is a little bit more percentage wise than the rest of us pay. I know, far left extremist, right? And the reason they pay more, in actual dollars, is because they have all the money. The top earners are not paying their fair share. Capital gains is too much of a discount.

[cbfalcon 827]

 

While legalized abortion seems to have had a tangible impact, leading to an overall nationwide reduction in crime in NYC the issue was still pretty bad into the mid-90's, until Bill Bratton went to war with the criminals.

 

This was impressively impactful, but it sure did get criminals crying loudly about being harassed....or messed with....or the meanie police being mean to them......boohooo. The people, the GOOD people, of NYC have been benefiting from this for two decades now....

There may have been a lag time for the effects to fully take hold, but I always felt that things started to turn around with the Paul Kersey situation in New York City after the murder of his wife in the mid 70's.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Sorry Gary...this is just another reason to not support Cruz.

 

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/641325698154688512

[GobbleDog 1,010]

09/09/2015 5Dimes.com odds to win Republican Nominee

 

Jeb Bush 2:1

 

Donald Trump 5:1

 

Marco Rubio 5:1

 

Scott Walker 6:1

 

John Kasich 10:1

 

Ben Carson 11:1

 

Ted Cruz 14:1

 

Carly Fiorina 20:1

 

Mike Huckabee 20:1

 

Rand Paul 23:1

 

Chris Christie 30:1

 

Mitt Romney 85:1

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Vegas is usually more accurate than polls.

[gocolts 300]

Sorry Gary...this is just another reason to not support Cruz.

 

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/641325698154688512

I get that a lot of folks do not like him because he believes in God. That does not bother me though.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I get that a lot of folks do not like him because he believes in God. That does not bother me though.

Its no about believing in God ..its about running to the lunatic right fringe by supporting that hag.

The nuts falling over themselves to get pictures with her.

 

Thank God she is out of jail?

Cause God is why she is out?

 

Awful.

[KSB2424 3,174]

09/09/2015 5Dimes.com odds to win Republican Nominee

 

Jeb Bush 2:1

 

Donald Trump 5:1

 

Marco Rubio 5:1

 

Scott Walker 6:1

 

John Kasich 10:1

 

Ben Carson 11:1

 

Ted Cruz 14:1

 

Carly Fiorina 20:1

 

Mike Huckabee 20:1

 

Rand Paul 23:1

 

Chris Christie 30:1

 

Mitt Romney 85:1

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Vegas is usually more accurate than polls.

 

So Vegas has Kasich in the Top 5. Sweet!@#!

[RLLD 4,275]

Bush at 2:1? OK, that's funny....